Trump is not for a free market
>Minimum wage
>Tariffs
>Deporting millions of people (THEY TOOK OUR JOBS)
>Gender identity should be added to anti-discrimination laws
>>75723404
Yeah but it's cool when he's not a cuck about it like Bernie
>MUH 1%
fuck off with that shit
Literally no one but retards thinks Trump is for free market. Trump is for American business. He'd throw a 100 mexican businesses under the bus if it meant an American one succeeding
>>75723499
How is it helpful to american businesses to deport their workers, not let them manufacture overseas, and be required to pay a minimum wage.
>>75723404
>A free market is a system in which the prices for goods and services are determined by the open market and consumers, in which the laws and forces of supply and demand are free from any intervention by a government, price-setting monopoly, or other authority.
Leaf, the man is running for government office. Of course he's not for the free market.
>>75724093
That's the problem. Austin Peterson's slogan was "Taking over the government, to leave everyone alone."
>>75723711
>lowering buisness tax
>not increasing minimum wage
>deporting illegal immigrants that make it too hard to compete with using legal american workers
>not letting businesses betray their country by selling out to Chinese manufacturing companies
If a country's majority of production is done on foreign soil and does not employ american workers, they are not an American company except on paper. The fact that you think he's deporting their own workers is proof that you're ignorant on how much of an negative impact illegal workers has on American business
>>75723404
>free market
unfortunately we wont see one ever again
>>75723404
>minimum wage
He says people in America are getting paid too much, if anything he wants to reduce it
>tariffs
He's fining businesses that want to export their business by making it expensive to do so
>gender identity
Yeah and how many gender anti discrimination laws does he intend to sign when he's in office?
>>75723404
>free market
Is there any difference between communists and "free market" cucks? Let's compare:
Both are used by Jews to disrupt social cohesion and consolidate the resources/power of a country into the hands of a rootless few.
Both are obviously doomed to failure due to human nature, but a commy or libertarian will ignore facts and claim that their idealized fantasy would definitely work well.
Both advocate open borders and their biggest proponents are always jews or crypto-jews hiding in universities.
Both hold nothing but disgust for national identity and feel it should be done away with in favor of a globalist one-world state.
Both love the idea of internationalist jews plundering their countries with impunity as long as they get to blather on about kike-theory and feel like elite geniuses.
I think it is clear there is literally no difference.
I'll just leave this here for ya guys, maybe you will learn something.
Openborders.info
I recommend watching Bryan Caplan.
>>75724585
AnCaps and Communists are the two biggest retards on the planet when it comes to economics and for the exact same reason.
globalization doesn't fucking work. It all leads to the same shitty never ending rabbit hole of being fucked over.
>>75723711
>What's wrong with slave labor, artificially deflated prices, artificially high unemployment, and having your manufacturing in the hands of other countries
>>75723499
Mate, if those 100 Mexican businesses were successful enough to have potential in the future, and the heads of said businesses are illegally on American soil, in every way is Trump obliged to take advantage of that, and capitalize off their produce, and why wouldn't you
>>75723404
>ironically saying THEY TOOK OUR JOBS
Nigga I live in south texas and worked as an electrician and illegals LITERALLY TOOK MY JOB, so fuck off with that shit. Damn leaf got my riled
>>75723404
Fuck it, I am now a #WasserMan.
>>75724817
Except that would never happen in the first place. The whole concept of these Mexican businesses is that they're often shell companies with nothing to accomplish other than moving around finances in order to avoid taxes.
A better example would be Chinese investment companies buying stock in American companies in which case is happening all the time, especially in real estate. Trump is obliged to do whatever is best for the American economy. Having a shitload of shell companies that don't make any money isn't doing any favors for the economy but I can sure as shit bet he'll keep around the Chinese ones that make money.
>>75723404
So?
>>75723404
Free market is a liberal concept. Conservatives are authoritarian.
>>75723404
>Muh free market
>Muh minimum wage
>Muh deportations
An-cap detected
>>75724673
This whole website is based on theories of 100 year old migration patterns, literal "muh feelings" and trying to promote a 0.001% elite group controlling the economy.
It is nothing but risky speculation at best, blatant anti citizen rights at worst.
>>75723404
No one wants a free market anyways. You'd have to be autistic to think a free market would ever work.
>>75725217
Yeah, progressives managed to fuck up the definitions back in the early 20th for us.
Part of our problem is we continue to accept their terms, but we're not likely to go back to using words properly any time soon.
We're Americans, dammit. Boats and hoes.
>>75723404
yeah good. shove it up your ass anacap cuck
>>75723404
Deporting millions of illegal immigrants you fucking faggot
>>75725461
AnCap free market theory relies on the same utopian feelings as communism. It will never work as it is in human nature to jew as many people as you possibly can in order to make yourself comfortable. Even then, it doesn't take much for someone to have a complete monopoly in an AnCap economy. Literally nothing is stopping someone from hiring a private military to seize control of entire lakes that towns rely on.
>>75723404
you are using words that you dont understand...
Raised tariffs combined with raising the zero tax bracket is a God tier economic policy, when you realise poor people have the most disposable income you realise taxing them isn't just pointless, it's a bad fucking idea.
>>75723711
>deport their workers
not american workers
>manufacture overseas
not in country
>required to pay a minimum wage
to who and where if they're not in the country?
>>75724790
I dunno about that, canadians are pretty retarded.
>>75725315
don't think so, he's just regular retarded.
>>75725461
everyone wants a free market, but only in the stuff they want for cheap. People want free markets when it suits them.
>>>75725581
that image is wrong in the first five words.
Keep shilling Bernouts. Remember, if you try hard enough, he may win the nomination.
>>75726538
OP isn't a bernout, he's probably one of those Johnson shills all over the place tonight.
FUCK FREE MARKET KEKS
Literally gibmedats tier when it comes to economics.
>free market is great!
>but only when its good for me!
>>75726517
Wow, you called lots of people wrong but didn't proffer a single alternative argument or even a justification for calling them wrong. You must be a genious.
>>75724817
>Mexican businesses
>Potential
Free market has been perverted to mean open borders. Fuck that. America First!
>>75726721
I don't know why he would shill here then
>Gary Johnson
>Literally WHO?
>>75723711
>Price floor on American wages
>No price floor on foreign wages
>how could you possibly believe American workers could get passed over for jobs
>>75725064
It's #FrenchKisser now
Free market is a jew ploy to enslave goyim
What we need is economic protectionism for whites
>>75726894
Ever since they elected Gary "open borders" Johnson as their nominee they've been shilling that weiner all /pol/.
>>75726721
Your green text is a VERY accurate description of what trump is.
>>75723404
This board has legit made me prejudiced against leafs
The kike globalist """"""""""free market""""""""""" is a failure
It's time for a new American System.
>>75726745
maybe I am, and maybe you're just austrailia's canada.
>>75727177
Nationalism based economics is literally what his platform is though. The only difference is that it's in favor of the American people over foreign companies.
These kinds of ideologies in economics are what spur international competition. The American/European auto market competition was founded on these nationalistic beliefs before most of them sold out to South American countries in order to make quick buck.
If you think it's a bad idea for the American people to elect someone who has their best economic interests in mind, you're dumber than I thought.
>>75727291
please don't judge us on the actions of a few canacucks. Not all of us are pro open borders lib shills
>>75723404
Gonna need a goddamn motherfucking cocksucking source that you shitsucking leafs never have.
>>75723711
Profit isnt everything. You are an uberkike if thats the case. Fellow citizens and folk should be looked after above all else. Otherwise you are globalist trash to be hanged by the neck until dead.
>>75724673
>Openborders.anything
Cancer
>>75727177
These consistant dubs are wasted on you. What the fuck would you have us vote for, hillary? Please, you're whole presence here is a fucking joke.
You are a shill.
And a fucking infuriating one at that.
Heres your final (You).
>>75723404
>eastcucks think a line from south park constitutes a rebuttal to the existence of national borders
>>75723404
"free market" = open borders
america FIRST
>>75727585
>>75727718
What the fuck gave you guys the impression that i was a liberal. I'm the most conservative guy on this board. Trump just happens to not be a conservative.
>>75723404
Yeah, exactly. A complete and total free market is shit. It has no respect for the nation. The health, and character of the nation is far more important than any sense of economics.
I fucking hate Canadians, so much.
>>75727903
>he thinks open borders is conservative
you're pro open borders. You're clearly a johnson sucking cuccboi
get the fuck out of here
>>75723404
tariffs sound wonderful
>>75723404
>Deporting millions of people (THEY TOOK OUR JOBS)
they literally did take our jobs, though. illegal immigration drives down wages. do you actually have an argument against this?
>>75728153
their argument usually consists of berating conservatives for not being educated. "how are you so low that a mexican could take your job?"
These jobs are beneath them, so they don't care.
>>75728018
I was under the impression that conservationism meant less government.
>>75723404
>Trump is not for a free market
Of course not. He's not a cuck.
>>75728274
Conservatism also doesn't sell out its citizens to the Chinese.
Conservatism also doesn't dissolve the border and allow millions of illegal immigrants to take jobs.
You AnCap niggers are somehow worse than Neo Cons
>>75728266
sometimes I think the left would fit right in here, they just gotta quit being such faggots.
>>75728419
I seriously recommend you watch this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Fj5tzuYBE
>>75727883
This. Everything about these individuals and those who stand by them are reason enough to back the Trump. The political class in America is going to be fed to the lions and Europe is next.
MAGA
>>75728094
>paying more for goods sounds wonderful
lol
>>75728710
>>I seriously recommend you watch this cucktarian propaganda video from the 1970's and then ignore the history of the past 40 years.
Fucking Libertarians.
>>75728710
>(((Milton Friedman)))
Great argument.
>>75728914
>>75729085
You guys sound like every liberal I've ever debated.
>>75728710
I watched several of these videos in high school m8. Modern Libertarianism is more focused on open borders and AnCap economic principals when its convenient( and even socialism as well).
Literally nothing you can post can convince me that modern liberatarianism and open borders are good.
I'm convinced that everyone who is pro AnCap economic theory on /pol/ has never made more than minimum wage or owned a piece of property.
I don't give a fuck if you want to get married to another man, grow drugs and own heavy weaponry but don't you dare step on 10 other citizens to make a quick buck.
AnCaps would sell your job out in a minute to people south of the border if it meant them saving an extra marginal percentage.
>>75729085
>>75728914
not an argument.
>>75728895
>>paying more for goods sounds wonderful
No, dipshit. Returning to the economic system that was invented in the USA by our founding fathers in the late 18th century sounds good. That's because every country that became a major industrial, economic and military power for the last 240 years was following the same playbook, which later became known as 'The American System'.
Free Trade niggers need to read a book.
>>75723404
>>75729383
>Free Trade niggers need to read a book.
That's ironic.
Try The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith.
Good. The vast majority of this nation's history has not been under a free international market economy. We only exercised that domestically, and even then certain exceptions were necessary like trust busting.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with deporting illegals and securing the border. Free movement of labor is retarded. It means that just because one race or nation bred irresponsibly that they can crush the value of labor for our countrymen.
>>75729190
>You guys sound like every liberal I've ever debated.
You sound like every libertarian I've ever debated. Eager to deflect debate by posting lengthy and outdated videos of St. Milton Friedman in lieu of making an argument.
Don't worry. You'll grow out of Libertarianism. It's a phase, like being a Goth or reading Romance novels.
>>75723404
He's always been a centrist, he's not a libertarian like Rand or Memelyneux
>>75729555
>Free movement of labor is retarded.
A literature summary by Clemens (2011) cited estimates that free global labor mobility would increase gross world product (GWP), also called “world GDP”, by somewhere in the range of 67-147%. The estimates suggest that even partial liberalizations of migration could yield gains greater than the estimated gains from complete free trade or free capital flows.
>>75723404
>>75729524
>Try The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith.
Adam Smith was pretty smart. Which is why he never advocated unconditional free trade. Our founding fathers didn't either.
>>75729383
>Returning to the economic system that was invented in the USA by our founding fathers in the late 18th century sounds good
so, largely free trade?
>No
except that's what you are advocating, retard.
>>75729689
Most economists are retarded senpai, don't believe their bullshit
>>75729689
>A literature summary by Clemens (2011) cited estimates that free global labor mobility would increase gross world product (GWP), also called “world GDP”, by somewhere in the range of 67-147%. The estimates suggest that even partial liberalizations of migration could yield gains greater than the estimated gains from complete free trade or free capital flows.
Sure. Moving all the Niggers in Africa into North America and Europe would quickly improve everyone's lives, Goyim.
>>75729524
You should try responding to any of the points in this thread with something other than telling people to read/watch a video as if makes you seem intelligent. I'm willing to bet most of shit you posted you haven't even read or watched yourself.
Start with the very basics of economic theory and property like John Locke then work your way from there m8. It may be flawed but its a good starting point for jobless retards such as yourself.
>>75729850
>Moving all the Niggers in Africa into North America and Europe would quickly improve everyone's lives
Yup
>>75729825
Economics relies entirely on idealistic scenarios where the actors all behave exactly like the economists want them to, and rarely cares about individual well being and success compared to vague nonsense like GDP. It reminds me a lot of communist central planning.
So global GDP goes up 150%, but now you've got that wealth spread among at least 5x as many people. This is globalism. Equilibrium. The problem is our small European-descended nations are vastly outnumbered by failed and overpopulated states who will reap most of the benefit at our expense.
>>75728710
> that first family
> "Italian"
FUCKING KIKES
Entire argument in first ten minutes boils down to "slave wages and labor is ok because those who currently are wealthy are depending on you to suffer." Don't worry goyim, your children may have the opportunity to succeed and join the kike society elites.
>>75729779
>so, largely free trade?
Sorry, No, that's not correct.
The US had the highest tariffs in the world for the entire period between the end of the civil war and the end of world war 2.
The dawn of the American System was outlined in Alexander Hamilton's 'report on manufactures and trade' submitted to congress when he was our nation's first treasury secretary (he was also a war hero, having led troops in battle during the revolutionary war).
His recommendations were adopted gradually over the years.
>>75723711
It's helpful to the American people as a whole. So what a fat ceo of a billion dollar company makes 500,000 less. It's called putting your countries economy and your people first
>leaf
>for outsourcing
>for foreign workers
>for unliveable wages
>for globalist economy
People like you are THE fucking reason our country's (Canadas) economy is a crumbling shit tier house of cards that relies completely on oil exports to avoid collapse
I bet you voted liberal too you globalist fuck. Traitors like you should be publicly shot for treason
Leave Toronto once in awhile stop smoking weed and go finish grade 12. You'll find that a country's economy doesn't work when all the good jobs are sent overseas to slaves and all that is left are minimum wage service jobs. But I guess that's fine with you. as long as you keep getting free handouts you'll keep voting liberal
>>75729981
>Yup
Goddamn Leaf!
>>75730192
>Sorry, No, that's not correct.
except it is, and tariffs do not change that. there were far far less regulations in place in that time period.
>It's helpful to the American people as a whole.
raising prices for consumers does not help the american people as a whole.
>So what a fat ceo of a billion dollar company makes 500,000 less
kill yourself bernie cuck
> It's called putting your countries economy and your people first
lol, nice utopia you live in.
>>75730197
You are supporting a bunch of liberal policies and then calling me a Liberal.
>>75730322
>
>>75730197
>when all the good jobs are sent overseas to slaves
had a good laugh over this as well.
>>75727718
>profit isn't everything
>fellow citizens should be looked after above all
This. This so much. This is how the economy should be run
Beware though: the kikes and globalists aren't gonna let this happen easily
>>75730384
Are we really the only conservatives on this board?
>>75730342
Nationalism =/= Liberalism you stupid fuck. The whole concept of conservative politics relies on small efficient government protecting citizen rights.
Selling jobs out to foreign workers is about as globalist cuck tier as you can get aside from literally bringing them here to take jobs.
It's easy to out someone with no job experience except McDonald's because they shill for these globalist economic theories.
Fuck Trudeau, I bet you voted for NDP.
>>75730470
You keep calling yourself a conservative but you're about as Globalist AnCap as you can get m8.
>>75730470
>believing in the right left dichotomy
really, youre fucking stupid
>>75730638
It just so happens that Free Market Capitalism is a conservative ideology.
>>75724673
>open borders
Have a real long look at pic related, traitor
Because this is all that will become of globalist traitors like yourself
>>75725217
American conservatism is grounded in traditional American values, which are anti-authoritarian.
>>75726876
This
And I'm not even American
I have no respect for any traitors. All that open border globalists are are traitors and deserve 0 respect or sympathy
We need to bring back the death penalty for treason
>>75730732
It just so happens that conservatives aren't pro open borders. Believing in pro free market does not make you conservative. You are literally AnCap and there's no way around that.
I'm willing to bet money that the extent of your knowledge of conservative politics is limited to the horseshoe theory.
>this thread
>>75730867
USA, eh. USA, eh. USA, eh - Gavin McInnes.
>>75730934
OP, this thread was trump posting, but then autumn came.
>USA my ass
You were talking about the next US President, dude.
Once again, retarded.
>>75731038
WTF are you on about?
Chillax bro.
>minimum wage
In order to have a healthy market you either need to restrict the workforce or implement minimum wage.
The workforce is the supply.
The jobs available is the demand.
If you have way more supply then demand the wages will go down. Big cooperation are in favor of a huge amount of supply. The VDI (Union of German Engineers) exposed that a "lack of suitable applicants" by a cooperation is existing, when 5 suitable candidates apply for a job.
A 5:1 ratio. That is what they call "lack of suitable applicants".
>>75729689
Who gives a fuck about "world gdp"
I'd rather see my own country succeed. What did those 3rd world freeloaders do to deserve a handout from us at our expense
I'm a nationalist meaning I care about my nation and people
The
Rest
Of
The
World
Can
Take
A
Flying
Fuck
Why is it so hard for pro globalists to realize we don't owe the world shit
>>75731139
not an argument you stupid ancap nigger.
Economic literacy goes hand in hand with basic logic. It is a rarity these days. That's why people and policy makers alike think it's inflation is great for economic health of a nation, since their intended goal is to have foreigners buy more of our exports. They never take into consideration the empirical evidence or unintended consequences of such stupid policy.
>>75731201
The thing is, the one acting intended here is you. I a mexican or chines person wants to give me a product cheaper why the fuck should I be forced to so business with your lazy ass.
The one asking the government for help is you.
>>75731201
Either you import the poor for labor so you can tax them or corporations outsource.
>>75723404
HAhahaha
Thats like from the southpark show isn't it man.
niiiiice
Do ancaps get gassed before or after the communists?
>>75730542
Don't worry my fellow nationalist. Trudeau will fuck us up bad and anger the people. Once the people see that globalism is slavery and nationalism is the way to national prosperity we will be able to deal with the globalists accordingly
>>75731357
Because fuck you, do it or die.
>>75730322
>except it is, and tariffs do not change that.
So, I guess we can go back to high tariffs, and you will be fine with that. Ok then. I can agree with you.
>>75731366
Or you close the borders and treat sellouts like the traitors they are
If you're willing to sell out your own people for an extra 10,000$ you should be shot
>>75723404
It's almost like there's more to life than this quarter's profits shekelberg
>>75731596
Did you know that North Korea accepts tourists? They might even let you stay if you prove your worth.
>>75731357
Remind me how giving quarter trillion dollar bailouts to Chinese companies using american taxpayer money is not asking the government for help.
American based automakers use American taxpayer funding in order to create slave labor tier jobs in South America.
Remind me again why its okay for GM to take a 500 billion dollar bailout from the government only for them to move more of their labor down south of the border.
It would be all fine and dandy if these foreign companies, along with American ones that exploit foreign labor could do business without asking for fucking handouts from the taxpayers every time they fuck up.
>>75731601
THOSE EVIL CORPORATIONS!!!!!
>>75731357
>why should I do business with you
With us? You don't. were foreigners to you burger
With your own citizens? Yes. Because if you put 4 extra dollars over your nation you are a traitor
>>75731648
You just immediately jumped to a strawman. I'm not arguing the government should do anything except stay the fuck out of private enterprise.
>>75723404
He's a racist guy
>>75731357
>e one acting intended here is you. I a mexican or chines person wants to give me a product cheaper
This is the classic libertarian fallacy. In your peabrained skull, there is no room for concepts beyond the individual, such as the family, race, or nation. By this logic, if a drug peddler offers your 5 y.o. daughter free samples of heroine, you should advise her to accept, because 'hey, it's free, right? What could happen?"
The idea that your actions affect everyone around you is something that your ilk must work very hard to ignore.
>>75731815
I'm arguing that anyone who likes Rand should be killed.
>>75731815
The whole problem with AnCap theory IS that the government won't stay the fuck out of it whenever its put into practice. That's literally the issue anon. Any time they let a large company go off and do their own thing, the company either completely fucking tanks and asks for money from the government to fix it or they default on government loans and then move all of their labor to an area where it can't be taxed.
These companies are using taxpayer money to create profit/save themselves from collapse then never facing punishment for it.
>>75731641
>north Korea
Nice argument
so I guess not letting billionaires with no loyalty to the nation make 500,000$ more for themselves at the expense of the nation makes you North Korea
I don't care if citizens come and go as they please and if people want to immigrate they knock the gate and apply to be approved for citizenship properly
>>75729689
Here's some napkin math for you, fuckstick. The current world GDP is $77.83 trillion. Say the removal of national borders increases that by 150%, the most optimistic amount in your projection. That increases it to about $116 trillion. But then you have to spread it between 7.4 billion people. So the GDP per capita is $15,000. For an American, that's a drop of $30,000. And most of that wealth isn't getting spread around, is going straight to the corporate pricks you suck off so much.
If you think globalisation is remotely beneficial to anybody in a country worth a shit, you're out of your fucking mind.
>>75732109
This
>>75731417
>Do ancaps get gassed before or after the communists?
After. The ancaps in the death camps will dig the graves for the communists and themselves in exchange for tiny amounts of gold boullion, which we can easily retrieve from their crematorium ashes.
>>75731858
libertarian doesn't mean absence of government, and you will never find a libertarian that thinks it is ok to give heroine to children. So please fuck off with your false dilemma
>>75732040
Why don't we just abolish private property, classes and the state?
>high tariffs
>cuts access to cheaper import market for American businesses dealing with specific materials
>global supply chain is further disrupted
>less value added to final product since country isn't producing according to its comparative advantage
Can't believe there are still droves of people supporting protectionism.
>>75732109
Nah, you don't understand. The invisible hand will make everyone billionaires and everyone will be a CEO so no one will be fucked. Even niggers will become civilized and start building pyramids and sheet again. Haven't you read Hayek?
>>75723711
>people immigrate illegally
>people obtain fake documentation to live reasonably
>people get jobs
>employers pay illegal immigrants unlivable wages
>people get gov't assistance to supplement their income averaging $30k per household
>their income now on par with livable wages, higher than many who are not taking assistance, thanks to tax payer money
>subsidized labor at the cost of legal worker jobs, identity theft, loan defaults, medical defaults, emergency room overcrowding, all sorts of inefficiencies due to economic and legal system not meaning to work while supporting 10s of millions of people living illegally
>people continue to live below their means because gov't assistance is that good
>send half their wages back "home"
>all in all drain on the economy
>good for American business
We could have just subsidized labor to begin with, and could still do so without mucking around with minimum wage BS that is bad as well.
>>75732026
I'm not ancap and your post is a incoherent rambling that doesn't apply to anything.
>>75723404
None of this effects a free market from existing
>>75723404
It doesn't matter. He'll never be president anyways
>>75732109
People in developed countries are in a better position to experience the global benefits of open borders and capture a larger share of these locally.
>>75724364
>>75724585
>>75727487
Can we accept more immigrants like these anons?
My dream is where the wealthiest, most qualified, and freedom loving individuals can have low level visa travel between nations
>>75723404
>Trump is not for a free market
That's cause the market isn't set up to operate freely. Let me know when all countries are willing to operate on a free market basis.
If that doesn't happen, the "free market" zealots are simply cucks.
Let's say I buy a computer from you. This costs me 40 pollars. The exchange rate between my pollar and your faggar is 1 pollar for 2 faggars.
..you know what, I'm not going to do this. Pic related.
>>75732233
>you will never find a libertarian that thinks it is ok to give heroine to children.
http://www.heroinhelper.com/angry/philosophy.shtml
Never say never.
inb4 >no true libertarian
>>75723404
Markets aren't free, you stupid faggot LEAF.
Markets require infrastructure, quality people supporting that infrastructure, culture, tradition, good laws, enforcement of those laws, sound governance, etc.
I could go on all day about all the features of a market (like the U.S. market) that made it EXPENSIVE and DIFFICULT to create, and therefore VALUABLE, and NOT SOMETHING TO BE GIVEN AWAY FOR FREE to any johnny come lately hawking some shoddy-ass sweat-shop goods produced by oppressed gooks from overseas.
There's no such thing as a free lunch - and if you didn't build my market, if you don't pay to maintain my market, then you don't get to sell in my market unless you FUCKING PAY ME.
tariffs, you stupid nigger. It's time.
>>75732538
If you open the borders the way those projections call for, they won't be first world for very long. Sorry we don't all feel like living in a commie block
>>75732690
so what you are saying is
"if you have a business, you didn't build that" - Obama
>>75723404
>Free market
>Good
State capitalism, protectionism and centralized economy are the only true answers
>>75732758
>spotted the downs kid
>>75732360
>comparative advantage
as if comparative advantage were some kind of fixed characteristic of a country or person.
By this logic, the best economic advice you can give your 18 y.o. kid is to go to work at McDonalds, because that is the job that makes him the most money the minute he turns 18. Smart people tell their children to get some education/skills, and change their comparative advantage.
>>75732538
Good. Keep telling yourself this goyim
>>75726866
>Filthy colonials
>potential
We 1775 again
>>75732462
Modern Libertarian economic theory always leads to Ancap economic theory and you can literally prove this with how the recession was handled by American companies in foreign markets. Until the western economic market is dominated by companies that don't rely on massive amounts of foreign labor and shell companies, the government will continue to get involved and hand out taxpayer money to these companies that do not have interests in national business. As long as these companies have leverage in congress via lobbyists, citizens will continue to be sold out for foreign labor for a quick buck while the companies that sold them out are relying on government money to fund them.
Nationalistic economic theory is a necessary step for true libertarian economic theory to succeed.
Quit being dense anon.
>>75732758
No, that plumber didn't build that. He makes use of public utilities and infrastructure, and he has to pay to upkeep it, he has to pay for the army to keep the shitskin hordes out, and the welfare and police to keep the shitskin hordes that are already in pacified so he doesn't get fucking murdered by them.
>>75723404
But deporting people isn't about free market, but about eliminating negative effects of bad border protection.
>>75732823
I mean, its proven so sure.
>>75732674
So just because the call themselves libertarian I'm suppose to agree with them and consed to your argument?
What are you a Fascist? Do you agree with every single fascist?
>>75732890
>Modern Libertarian economic theory always leads to Ancap economic
This is false and you have Zero evidence to support it.
>>75723711
>firms move all of their manufacturing facilities back home
>surplus of jobs
>There are so many jobs that they don't have enough workers willing to work shitty blue collar factory floor positions
>wages increase for those shitty positions as other firms compete for workers
>all of a sudden, 16 dollars an hour with many other benefits for full time employees simply by putting parts in a tote for 8 hours doesn't sound so bad
It's not rocket science. Trump has to somehow convince the rest of the world to start importing our shit again, though. Canada imports more US product than the entire EU combined (srsly--Jewoogle this).
Anyway I've gotta go. Didn't realize that so many of trump supporters are socialists.
>>75733285
The worker benefits, but the consumer is harmed.
>>75732822
>18 year old born in lower class family without any financial support for education should always go to college.
>no sane bank would give the average poorfag kid from the ghetto a loan for a college education.
And you would have them on welfare and selling drugs instead of giving them a chance at a honesty living?
>>75733029
>globalist
>being this brainwashed
how is any of this proven? Because some kike on Facebook showed you some numbers he pulled from his ass
Tell me this if China can barely control 1 billion people how would a world government maintain control of 7 billion? Because the only way I can see it working is through a totalitarian 1984 style state
I swear globalists need to be stripped of their citizenships. Go be a "global citizen" see how well you do
All that traitors like this deserve is death.
>>75723404
>he fell for the free market meme
It says something when a succesful businessman is for moderate government intervention, while fat NEETs defend "free markets".
>>75733285
You think other countries won't put up huge tariffs on the US to protect themselves? Your scenario leads to complete collapse of the global economy.
>>75733308
>gotta go
Face it. You lost globalist
More proof TRAITORS like this have 0 real arguments or facts to back their "logic"
>>75733502
Openborders.info its all right here.
>>75733370
When real wages increase for everyone (those factories also employ engineers, accountants, administrators, programmers for robots, etc so firms will also have to compete for skilled positions) it should theoretically balance out or even surpass the increased cost of goods. The cost of goods sold increases, but real wages should also theoretically increase. There will also be more job opportunities for everyone.
>>75723404
no shit he's not free market. He's a protectionist. No one think he's pro-free trade, that's the whole point. Free trade fucks us in the ass, it's what he's been saying all along.
>>75733275
Read up on Chinese and American company relations, specifically with companies such as Tencent's control in Chinese government and how that impacted American companies using chinese labour during recession.
Until these beloved private corporations of yours stop LITERALLY borrowing money from citizens through the government and then defaulting on it, Libertarian economic theory will always be a joke.
>>75733493
>complete collapse of the global economy
Good. When this happens we can move to nationalist economies
>>75733493
Given that most of the countries up here with us would have to band together to equal our total, they would try to protect themselves, but would fail.
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Cost-of-living/Local-purchasing-power
>>75733602
Again you think you have some sort of right to tell me who I can do business with. You don't, FUCK OFF.
>>75733493
It wouldn't really matter in Europe since we don't really export shit to them. China is a different situation because China, Canada, and Mexico import more of our product than every other nation combined (google that shit).
Trump needs to be careful as far as that's concerned. I agree. I'm assuming he has employed economists far more knowledgeable than some retard like me who only took a few courses. I have no idea what his end game is.
>>75733548
That site has 0 real proven reasons why we should destroy our countries and give up what we worked hard for to benefit savages
Globalism would benefit a 1% of 1% of the population. The rest of us would be killed or reduced to slaves in shit tier conditions
>>75732823
>Global trade is evil
>the Juice did it
>tariffs dindunuffin
Read up on The Great Depression why don't you? The US thought it was a good idea to raise tariff to hilarious highs and ended up starting a tariff war in the entire western world. Woopdeefuckingdoo! The rich sure didn't mind letting some filthy peasants die of malnutrition. Good job! When are we fighting abother world war?
Good, that's one of the reasons I'm voting for him. What you think I'm some memertarian faggot?
The free market only helps business, not employees. Especially not employees if brown people will happily work for 3/4 the wage of a native
>>75733704
You're right. You're not from my country. I don't tell you shit.
However if you are committing treason against your own nation I will have no sympathy for you if you are treated accordingly
>>75733585
Business today behave nothing like how a deregulated industry would function.
The entire corporate structure is completely controlled by the government. They tell the companies who they can and cannot hire.
The line between private business and the government has continually eroded, that is why the government is giving corporation taxpayer money. Something it should obviously never do.
>>75733704
No one gives a fuck who you do business with. The internet has effectively given you access to the largest global market in the world.
The problem is you keep shilling for companies which control a gigantic monopoly of the market, take taxpayer money after telling the government "fuck off, we're a private corp :^)", run away with it without paying it back and the government can't say no because these same companies effectively control congress and the government via lobbyists.
>>75733796
>when are we fighting another world war
Not soon enough. Just have to make sure we get rid of nukes first
>muh Great Depression
You prove my fucking point with that logic. If nations were self sufficient shit like that wouldn't happen
It is nations being reduced to a state of dependence on others that benefits a few and causes the people in that nation to starve
>>75733974
All you do is fucking strawman every single post.
>>75732949
>welfare
>pacifying shitskins
>dead serious
Maybe if the progressives did not put all the single moms in the same dirty apartment, we would have bred a hoard of gibmedats and dindus.
>>75733973
the line has eroded because the government is controlled by lobbyists. These regulations are put into place in order to kneecap other companies from competing.
Well yeah.
You want free market anywhere business is concerned but you quite blatantly want to kill the free market on labour.
Similarly, the US being in a position of power wants to kill the global free market so that it can monopolise.
Where the free market fails, there's 1 fucker getting away with the goods. Trump wants that fucker to be the US.
>>75733285
>firms close
End of story
>>75734044
You keep using that term but you have no idea what it means. Give me an argument beyond speculation or deflecting.
>>75733796
>Thinking the Great Depression was caused by tarrifs and not the US discovering how a stock market could be manipulated to huge heights.
jesus, anon. You need to get off the occupydemocrats.
>>75733838
I'm glad idiots like you with such loose definition of treason are a very small minority.
If people like you took power then the end result, you would probably end up on the rope yourself.
>>75723404
>free market
what free market?
you mean the one where America gets screwed on everything?
if they tax us why shouldn't we be taxing them?
>>75734128
It's pretty clear what it means. You keep arguing about business taking taxpayer money being bad, when I never once supported it or argued for it.
>>75734216
>this
>>75734124
How would firms close if they're exporting (AKA SELLING) more product than they were before?
Trump claims that he would force other nations to import more product under threat of tariffs and other assorted shenanigans. If he can somehow convince other nations to import more of our product will simultaneously slapping penalties on specific American firms that wish to manufacture overseas while exporting product made in China, for example, back into the USA, it could work. That isn't something that's feasible on a macro level within a 4 year time frame, though.
>>75734148
>loose definition of treason
Treason:
the crime of betraying one's country.
I think globalists qualify for that
It's right there in any dictionary if you think I'm wrong
>>75734220
You're arguing for private corps to separate from from government regulation. Meanwhile it's been proven over the past 10 years that the more they separate from these regulations, , the more they take tax payer money via handouts.
You're literally arguing for pro bailouts and you can't even comprehend the fact that you are doing it.
>>75734216
>OP is the guy that insists on keeping playing cards even when he knows the other guy is cheating.
>>75734459
>Meanwhile it's been proven over the past 10 years that the more they separate from these regulations,
how about coming up with that proof.
>the more they take tax payer money via handouts.
You act like the is obligatory, when the government could just not give bailouts.
>>75723404
as a matter of strict economic theory minimum wages don't make sense
But in practise you can't trust the Jews to pay a fair wage
>>75733571
>force firms to hire more expensive labor
>real wages increases for everyone
But wait! American shit is fucking expensive! Nobody wants to buy American goods! Exports fucking tank! All your returning firms close down! All those shiny new $16/h jobs are gone!
Congrats! You just destroyed the world's largest economy.
>>75734216
>OP says he wants to keep playing fair chess when the opponent decides to start with 10 queens.
>>75734216
>OP thinks it's ok to keep his side of the basketball court within the rules when the other side decided to repaint their 3 point line at the hoop.
>>75734216
>OP likes football games where the opposing team's endzone is 40 yards long.
>>75733602
>nationalist economies
Like North Korea?
>>75723404
>Not being pro border
Everything else is valid though
>>75734628
>But wait! American shit is fucking expensive!
That's because you guys have tariffs on our exports. Lower them.
>Nobody wants to buy American goods!
We import FAR more than we export everywhere. The Jews in your nation will make due with a 5% tariff instead of a 15 - 20% tariff--thus making our product much cheaper to import. You wouldn't want to lose out on the world's biggest importer, would you? We consume so much.
>All your returning firms close down!
Won't happen because most of our firms sell their product domestically. Our exports just keep shrinking and shrinking while our imports keep increasing exponentially.
>All those shiny new $16/h jobs are gone!
See above.
>>75734575
They can't stop giving bailouts because these same companies are buying off government lawmakers. The entire reason these regulations is exist is to drive out competition. In fact, a big reason the EU is going through the Brexit issue is because the EU is paid to enact arbitrary manufacturing laws to drive out competition.
>proof
HOW ABOUT THE ENTIRE FUCKING RECESSION
Jesus christ, were you in high school when American autoworkers were striking over their plants getting the go ahead to be relocated only for GM was bailed out several years later?
>>75723404
There is no such thing as a Free Market when the Government is the one that enforces property rights.
>>75733974
>lobbyists control congress
Only if you didn't give congress so much shit worth lobbying for.
>>75734881
funny how you get angry when I ask for proof, and the burden is on you.
libertarians don't want bailouts and would make it illegal to give bailouts to companies. So your argument is really idiotic.
>>75723404
>Trump is not for a free market
Grow up lolbertarian crybaby
>>75723404
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>>75733995
>if nations were self sufficient
Too fucking bad nobody wants you brand of "self sufficience" since no one is going to pay out the ass for it while everyone else in the world can buy the same with less.
>>75735025
I get angry because dense idiots keep deflecting. I literally give you proof multiple times, GM being bailed out. Easy to look up. Along with Tencent relations with the Chinese government which I don't think is worth linking unless you can read Mandarin.
but sure go ahead and keep shilling for these companies. Your entire argument is built upon an arbitrary code of ethics which you believe will be upheld when in reality, the powers of lobbying will only grow.
>>75733995
>muh domestic producers
Make a list of companies getting dirty government money and all of them will the MAKE AMERICAN GREAT AGAIN kind.
>>75735222
You really need to stop wit the strawman. I am against bail out and you keep saying I am for them because the government will do what I don't want it to do.
This is really I fucking retarded thing to come argue here.
>>75734881
The recession was caused by government intervention, you think the banks lobbied the government so that the government would force them to give out subprime loans? That shit aint logical. The naive ideal that housing should be a right and the State implementation of this ideal caused it. Assuming you are talking about 08.
>>75734344
>force other nations to import under threat of tariffs
other nations will do the same
Checkmate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urSe86zpLI4
Trumps economic policy similar to Hoovers.
>>75735354
Seems like you can't understand that by arguing in favor of the free market in the west, you are arguing for more bail outs as you have limited understanding of how these processes even take place.
If straw man was a Pokemon, that would be your name
>Strawman Strawman!
I'm done here. I'm clearly arguing with a high schooler who's lost all sight of what they're arguing for beyond name.
>>75735572
>arguing in favor of the free market in the west, you are arguing for more bail outs
Sure and voting for trump is voting to let all mexicans have free citizenship, that is a equivalent comparison to your arguments.
>>75735512
What part of we import shitloads more than most other world nations combined don't you understand? We are an even bigger consumer than China.
The ball is in our court and you will dance to our tune because as much as it would hurt us to get into a trade war, the rest of the world would feel the brunt of it if they decided to resist. We would get by because the biggest consumers of American product are by far Americans themselves.
>>75734459
>more they separate from regulations
Oh you mean how they were forced by Congress to lend dindus 0% down mortgages under threat of heavy fines? Private banks never did that kind of insane shit once in 200 years of existing in the US and all it takes is one feelgood regulation to fuck the whole financial sector in 2008.
Wow I am so fucking convinced I think I ll move to Greece.
>>75734558
>OP is the guy playing cards when he knows the other guy is slitting his own wrists.
I fixed it for you
>>75735782
idiots like you really need a reality check. A trade war would hurt us, so what's the point. Just cause it would hurt some other people more..that what makes you feel better?
Read up on a concept called comparative advantage, might help your realize some things about the global market.
>>75736063
Here's some comparative advantage for you, retard--it would be cheaper for other nations to lower the tariffs on our goods than it would be to increase tariffs since we import so fucking much.
Kill yourself.
>>75736141
Isn't your entire argument that we should increase tariffs and lower our imports?
If we stopped importing so much it wouldn't be cheaper for them would it.
>>75735222
>keep shilling for these companies
If there is a God please kill me now. How the fuck is it that the CEO of GM can even sit down in front of Congress and ask for a bailout without all of the Congressmen laughing in his face if not for the protectionist twats like you?
You got played so fucking hard son. GM is literally having you shill for free and you don't even realize it.
>>75723404
>Minimum wage
no he said leave it to the states which is code for get fucked
>>75723404
So he's like a pro gun blue collar worker's president? I'll take him!
>>75735782
>we all slit our wrists but we will bleed out last.
The rest of the world will just stop selling you twat. They are only selling to us because it is still profitable. Make it unprofitable and watch that trade flow dry up faster than a Californian reservoir.
>>75736487
>If we stopped importing so much it wouldn't be cheaper for them would it.
We will only increase tariffs if they don't lower their tariffs on our products. Other nations don't buy our products because it is ridiculously expensive due to a disproportionate amount of tariffs they have slapped on our products compared to the tariffs we have slapped on them.
This is why we have such a large trade imbalance. By increasing tariffs on foreign imports to a ridiculous amount (we won't, but the very threat of doing so scares the shit out of European nations that export 10X more product to the USA than we import) we will encourage them to play ball, so to speak.
Again, we hold the comparative advantage by increasing import costs. While the cost of some German or Japanese car might increase 3 fold, for example, if they increase tariffs, our own domestic vehicles will remain relatively static since the biggest consumers of American cars are Americans themselves. We are our own biggest market by a large margin.
>>75736708
Our "trade flow" is already shit. We don't export anything, really. And if we slap ridiculous tariffs on foreign goods, we will have no choice but to rely on our own alternatives which won't see much of a price increase since we are our own biggest market by far.
>>75736896
>We will only increase tariffs if they don't lower their tariffs on our products
We already do that. The US runs the World trade organization.
Can you even give a single example of a country that does this to us?
>>75737047
>trade flow
Trade flow isn't everything, even though Iphones are made in china 90% of the costs of producing an iphone is spent in the US.
>>75736141
>because we import so fucking much
Keep dreaming. We import only because they export.
>it would be cheaper
Yeah, for them and the big corps you are shilling for. The ordinary Joe gets a lead pipe up the ass when everything on the shelf gets more than their shirts raise can afford - provided their employer didn't let them go to cut labor costs.
This isn't a fucking chess game. There are way more pieces and they don't follow tidy rules.
>>75737059
>We already do that.
No we don't. Let's take Canadian beer as an example--a six pack of Budweiser in the US costs around 5 - 6 dollars here in the USA.
Due to import costs, that same six pack averages around 11 - 16 dollars in many parts of Canada.
When was the last time you bought a six pack of Canadian Moosehead for 13 - 16 dollars? Keep in mind that their own domestic beer isn't much more expensive than our own Budweiser over here.
>>75737331
>Labatt and Molson
Is what I meant to type--not Moosehead. That's one of our shitty beers. I'm drunk off of the fermented Jew right now, but my point still stands. Canadian imports are extremely cheap compared to American imports over there.
>>75737331
That is due to the current currency exchange rate, not any sort of canadian tariff.
Sens the free float their currency they actually have no control over that.
>>75737425
Bullshit. Their own domestic beer is only slightly more expensive compared to our own while Budweiser costs a fucking arm and a leg over there.
Canadian beer here is only slightly more expensive than our own domestic brands.
>>75737519
do you have any actual evidence of a tariff here or you just going to keep using anecdote?
