The Marines led by General Mattis took Fallujah before. It was a tough fight when those brave men took it from Hussein, but they did it. Then went on to take the whole country in - what, a week or so?
It isn't the Marines' fault that they were ordered by NEOCON politicians into combat. Armed Forces' go where they are told and do what they are ordered to do. And Marines did what Marines do - they kicked ass, then kicked more ass.
So then, many Trillion dollars later, we gave Iraq back to a weak government and weaker Iraqi Army.
So the ISIS assholes walked in like they owned the place and took almost the whole country with nothing but conviction and aggressiveness. The (US - trained and equipped) Iraqi Army promptly folded - almost like they didn't give a shit for their jobs and therefore had no backbone.
Now Iraq, with a fuckton of expensive US air support and ground-support and special ops, is trying to RE-TAKE Fallujah from ISIS. After ISIS has systematically killed all of the men who once lived there, of course.
Not saying we should re-send troops to Iraq. Not saying that at all.
Quite the contrary - we need to get the hell out unless we plan to stay there forever and get even deeper in debt.
NEOCONS want your sons to go and die for Israel. Again.
All of this is spelled out in the NEOCON Bible, THE PROJECT FOR A NEW AMERICAN CENTURY.
They got what they wanted, white men and women fighting and dying for Israel.
RAMZPAUL spelled it all out a few years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-_oeg2yc_c
http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/30/the-long-and-bloody-history-of-fallujah-and-how-its-about-to-get-bloodier-video/
Based Mattis in the first Fallujah fight, depicted on screen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTXzcILPPp8
They aren't going to retake shit, not without some serious help from us at least. And then they'll never hold it by themselves either. Why would the average Iraqi give enough of a fuck, to fight against an enemy that they perceive to be fighting against their enemy? We have the US/Israel backing their army which is pushing them into a meatgrinder against a foe that stands for every evil that they grew up hating.
Maybe some Iraqi soldiers are gung-ho about it but I seriously doubt the average Iraqi "soldier" is ready to fight to the death over US/Israeli interests. ISIS on the other hand seem to want to die in battle and don't give a fuck.
That whole region needs to unfuck itself.
>>75682306
>took almost the whole country
who tell you this nonesense?
Just bomb the whole fucking place.
MAYBE WE DIDN'T APOLOGIZE AND HUG THEM ENOUGH.
>>75682306
I'm sure in the end the American tax payer will pay for this. The cut in food stamps has to go somewhere. Thanks Bush.
>>75682306
>RAMZPAUL spelled it all out a few years ago.
Newfag detected
Ryan Dawson has been explaining this for over 15 years
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TMW7x0fLaLA
>>75682857
Most of the help is coming from Iran... The Shi'ite militias are doing most of the dirty work in Falluja at the moment.. And they are coming back with vengeance towards the Sunnis living there. The house to house clearing haven't even started yet.
>>75683588
Does providing weapons and vehicles to Isis count?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aW4hgEgUHag
>>75683830
>LE LIBERAL WAR STRATEGY
Should have converted the region to Christianity by the sword desu. Islam is a cancer that needs to die.
Neo-conservatism is just Trotskyism with a new name and surprise surprise Socialist Jews from New York came up with it and promoted it.
>>75682306
Question
Who is fighting for this new Iraqi army. The ones usa propped up abandoned. Are these new soldiers just different Iraqis or are they from Syria
>>75684195
Good question.
It sure took the Iraqi Arym a long time to re-take Ramadi from ISIS.
>7 months for something that would have taken the US Marines a long morning's work.
If looking at Iraqi army has taight me anything it's that they don't have a hope in hell holding Fallujah
>>75684684
Well desu, fighting an Army and fighting terrorists are two different things.
Just look at Afghanistan.
Just gas every single fucking sandnigger there and colonize it.
>>75683799
>He fell for the (ISIS-created) meme that Shia militias are killing Sunnis
It doesnt take a genius to google this shit and figure out that this myth was expressively created by ISIS to keep Fallujah population support by making them scared with horror stories
Heck, ISIS even showed footage claiming it was from Shia fighters blowing up a Sunni mosque. Turns out it was actually a mosque ISIS blew up.
source: https://twitter.com/RashaAlAqeedi/status/736244318680305664
>>75685324
This is true. Which is why the US needs to get the hell out.
We don't have the national will to get into the mire with these ISIS assholes.
It will be Vietnam all over again, only Russia would be on our side if Hillary does not win the election.
But the things we would have to do to win a guerilla war against ISIS would be a million times worse than Vietnam. And completely bankrupt the US beyond all hope.
Why doesn't Israel take Fallujah
j/k
>>75684195
>>75684684
Okay so the Iraqis that fled Mosul in 2014 were Regular Iraqi units which mostly consisted of Shi'ite muslim soldiers, when the Salafists backed by former baathist generals attacked Mosul with less than 350 ISIS insurgents ... 30,000 Iraqi soldiers dropped their weapons and ran, that was a huge propaganda victory for ISIS at that time which caused a lot of people to join their ranks from around the world. Now Fast foward to 2015-2016 or even before that Iran started sending ATGMs, Kalashnikovs, MLRS and Artillery batteries to the Shia Brigades of the Iraqi security forces since the American gov wasn't doing much help with shipping weapons but instead help in the air campaign against ISIS as what we are seeing since August 2014.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_NWGnVE-fU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMsvIDlsgiM
In these propaganda videos posted by the PMU they are consisted of Iraqi Shia militiamen along side a small contingency of Iranians, Lebanese, and even Eastern Orthodox Christian Arabs. Take note that they are secular and is not as autistic as their Sunni counterparts and will be your friend as long as you respect them and is not a zionist salafi takfiri cuck like Western Christians and Sunni Muslims.
>>75685274
This.
You said it the right way, also.
Holding Fallujah. Because if you throw enough US materiel at the problem, we may destroy it in order to save it.
But when the US leaves, the IRAQI Army will fold like a cheap suit.
And do we really want the US establishing permanent bases all over IRAQ forever and ever?
And remember how it is with fanatics like ISIS - when the US kills one of them, their sons and nephews are going to nurse an anti-US hatred and grow up to pick up an AK of their own.
It is like Whack-a-Mole forever and ever.
The US just needs to get the hell out of there and let Israel fight its own wars.
>>75685602
>We don't have the national will to get into the mire with these ISIS assholes.
Why would we?
Our government isn't to keen on waging open full scale war on their proxy forces.
> But the things we would have to do to win a guerilla war against ISIS
We could start by stop funding them and providing diplomatic shielding against the forces actually trying to fight them like the Syrian army and their Russian support.
Of course assad needs to go for Israeli interest so that would never happen.
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328
>>75685970
>We could start by stop funding them and providing diplomatic shielding against the forces actually trying to fight them like the Syrian army and their Russian support.
Hillary has a pathological need to look tough in front of Putin.
Trump, secure in his manhood, is perfectly willing to shake Putin's hand and give him free rein to kick the shit out of anyone who needs the shit kicked out of them, with the possible exception of Turkey.
>>75685838
Hey France
>>75685838
Lots of Lindsey Graham type cucks who are as bad as that graphic would suggest.
>>75685324
I could tell by reading Kipling that the Soviets were going to have a hard time in there.
I just wish George Bush, Jr had read Kipling also.
