Would you live off the land /pol/ ?
Might be fun.
>>75626613
Self bump.
>>75626613
I already supply approximately 40% of my diet with home grown produce and poultry.
>>75626613
I will, when civilization collapse
>>75626806
You good for winters?
>>75626613
How do you even produce this shit so it's sustainable?
Most vegetables/fruits rot in less than 1 month or 2, and it takes a whole lot more of time to grow them.
You'd be basically constrained to eat whatever you can allow yourself to grow Egbert now and then
>>75626613
Where do you slaughter the animals in that picture?
>>75626807
Christina Ricci used to be such a qt
>>75626979
Just keep stuff growing for as long as you can. Get a few chickens; eat the eggs. Maybe some pigs.
>>75626613
I dont know if youd be able to have a steady supply of meat from chickens and cows. One chicken probably takes one year or so before you can eat it, cows probably 2 years. And then a chicken is like 1 meal for the whole family, a whole cow is probably quite a few meals
>>75627049
Take them behind the house.
>>75626979
fermenting, pickling, canning. same things our ancestors did
although we can also easily freeze things
>>75626613
>Might be fun.
Monsanto will see to it that it won't be.
>>75627128
A friend of mine had about 6 chickens and they each had an egg a day.
>>75626613
You can't produce only enough for yourself these days because you still have to pay property taxes, you'll have to produce a surplus and sell it, which is commonly known as farming.
>>75626979
Canning, mostly.
>>75626613
Threadly Reminder: the person who made this image is a literal retard.
- No water source
- No way to support even one cow for dairy purposes
- A pig on that small a parcel of land would produce an ungodly smell
- And it's almost right by the house
- Lel the chickens take up a quarter of the property though
- No outbuildings for equipment or tools
>>75627128
the chickens are for eggs. the meat from old hens is just a bonus
the pigs are most likely the main source of meat
I know rabbits are pretty popular with modern homesteaders. surprised I don't see any in that image
>>75626613
>>75626613
only indoor farming
>>75627128
Raised chickens off and on and lived on a 22 acre farm before. If you get broiler chickens they go from chick to the size you see in the stores in about a month. I let a batch go for 2 months and they were almost as big as turkeys! 16 of them filled 2 1/2 fridge freezers right to the max after butchering. I raised heritage breeds after and they were pretty cool. They can feed themselves when let out and lay eggs every day or two. They take probably 2 months to get big enough to eat if I remember correctly. Barred roc's are ideal for shtf situations imo
>>75626613
Might be efficient not having to transport food. No profit for governments. No one else putting stupid shit in food to preserve it. Take responsibilty for yourself without having to give any power away to corporations.
Sounds fun? or just common sense.
Why wait for a collapse when the collapse is happening slowly every fucking day.
>>75626613
that doesn't seem like enough room to graze those cows
>>75627531
>Killing your chickens
Evil and retarded.
>>75627209
this
>>75626613
I want to build a self-sufficient commune and live there with extended family, friends, and likeminded
quick reminder that horizotal agriculture will be a thing of the past soon
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>>75627209
This diagram was meant to represent self sufficient farming on a one acre of land. For something like this CLEARLY more would be easier to an extent.
>>75628214
>This diagram was meant to represent self sufficient farming on a one acre of land.
I know, and that's the problem because you actually can be self-sufficient or very close to it on one acre and that fucking pic isn't it.
>>75628117
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>>75628117
may MAY xD
>>75628117
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>>75626613
No, because I realize how much fucking work it would take. Maybe with farming robots it would be cool. I wouldn't mind just being the robot maintenance guy.
>>75628117
>poopoos
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>>75628117
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>>75626806
>civilization collapses
>find people who are self-sufficient
>kill them
>take their shit
>now I am self-sufficient
>>75628566
>pic
So how do you keep track of it all? Seems pretty overwhelming for someone without any experience.
>>75628308
How would you do it?
>>75628753
fuking easily
>>75628566
Seriously the robot shit on this board is getting out of hand. I can't be the only one noticing this.
>LEARN TO CODE
>truckdriver? Think again!
>They can't automate the maintenance crew! Checkmate!
>That'll be automated in 6 weeks, sorry bud.
Are you getting paid or just impressionable?
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>>75628753
Where does the farming happen in Australia?
>>75626856
Being properly prepared and not picky about your meals, you could last at least the first winter just on dried grains and shit.
>>75628679
>So how do you keep track of it all? Seems pretty overwhelming for someone without any experience.
You can see how much shit you need and that is just enough to get by, not counting feed for the cow and other shit you need to buy.
>>75626613
I want to so bad. My grandparents left my parents 20 acres in their will with a request to transfer half to me when I turned 18. Parents sold the land to pay off our shitty McMansion's two mortgages. Put what's leftover (way less than half) in an account for my college. I didn't know about this until my uncle told me last week. My parents jewed me out of 10 acres of good land and gave me less than a year of college as a consolation prize. Upside is I'm getting a degree in Agricultural Science.
>>75626613
>>75628672
Sounds risky. Don't you think people who are prepared and resourceful enough to be self-sufficient after a collapse have probably thought about and trained for defense more than you?
>>75628753
All the things I mentioned? I'd change them. No cattle. That's just lunacy. I wouldn't even have dairy goats on 1 acre. Dairy animals are a community effort and a pain in the ass. Way too much work for so little payoff otherwise. No pigs. That's just fucking stupid. The only reason Americans keep illustrating them is muh garbage to bacon meme. I really WANT to force all these morons to live in that arrangement and not allow them to move. They'll be bald from tearing their hair out from the smell and mess of them. Chickens are the perfect farm animals because they're generally well behaved, reproduce easily, can be entertaining and nice to look at, eat insect pests (but also some of your crops if you're not careful) and shit out free, highly nutritious food for years in massive quantities. They're going to need at least a pond or reservoir and preferably something a bit more sophisticated for a water source. Need outbuildings and equipment for harvest. I'd also have as much space devoted to greenhouses as possible to maximize growing season.
Those come to mind off the top of my head.
>>75629036
>bacon meme
Every fucking time. I'm convinced hipster blogger faggots who live in the suburbs make these images.
>>75628911
>trying to farm everything you could need on your own land
What would literally end up happening is a community would build and everyone would use their land growing stuff the community would need. One guy growing wheat, another growing lettuce, etc.
Because that's how the fuck we did it originally. Trying to manage 20 different crops will lead to sub par yields. It just does since every crop will have different requirements and you're not going to get a 15 year old to respect them.
It's also easier on the soil if you just do simple larger plots.
>>75629133
They do, because you really only need an acre if you are buying flour and other minor stuff. Also who wants to eat eggs every morning?
>>75629196
>It's also easier on the soil if you just do simple larger plots.
No it isn't. You have to rotate crops or add a metric fuck load of fertilizer and other shit.
>>75629213
Well you can trade the excess. Chickens are like a small farm godsend. Except for the cleaning, of course.
>>75629133
Bacon is a meme. It's alright, but holy shit is it overhyped.
>>75626613
Anyone who thinks this is a good idea has never done even the slightest amount of farm work.
It's a fucking nightmare of never ending labor.
>>75629213
>who wants to eat eggs every morning?
I fucking love eggs, cuck.
But the whole thing is still a paper thin system. You get one bad disease, or bad weather, or forget a rotation, you're gunna starve.
>>75626613
I always said if I became wildly rich I would make a home that is self sustaining and live in a remote area away from the bullshit. The only downsides are that it takes a lot of work and there will always be unexpected problems like illness and weather destroying your crops or killing livestock, people coming onto your land and trying to steal your shit, etc.
In the end of the world shtf scenario it would be the best way to go about it. In that regard other people are the only thing you would have to worry about... and I imagine you would go crazy after a while if you lived remotely all alone for a long duration of time.
>>75626613
anyone thats ever worked with live stock knows that paddock in the top left is no way big enough for a cow.
>>75629289
Yes it is, dumbass. If Bill grows corn and Joe grows lettuce, then bill is a corn expert and joe is a lettuce expert.
But your assumption is that I don't know about crop rotation. You're a dumbass for assuming that's not an obvious consideration. this isn't Ireland.
>>75629351
For the happeningfags it's better than being attacked by scavenging poor people.
>>75629438
If shit happens and our mass farms fail then good luck starting a small farm.
If not then mass farms are still the way to go so theres no point in having a small one either.
>ITT - People who have never ever worked/lived/visited/seen a farm in their entire lives
>>75629577
This is why you get a few things ready beforehand.
>>75629652
>irrelevant reply
this is why leafs are bottom feeders
>>75629000
You can still get land because most people still think it's a good thing to live as close to all the bullshit as possible. Do your college and do it to learn and not to get a degree and a drinking problem. Agricultural science is good stuff, civil engineering here. I can already mix concrete and plan a well, real world stuff.
>>75629630
Tell us Mr. Corn. What do we need to know to sustain ourselves in the post happening world?
>>75629355
And that's why you build a reserve of grain.
>>75628628
>>75628581
>>75628553
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>>75628314
Australia are you okay?
>>75629427
>But your assumption is that I don't know about crop rotation
I assume everyone is a fool until proven otherwise.
>>75628672
le edge master post
>Be NEET beta male 4chan poster
>Happening happens
>Survive initial days in mom's basement somehow
>Run out of food, attempt to kill someone who is self-sufficient
>Get killed by said person because they're a normal, healthy, functioning adult who is prepared to shrug off weak virgin betas like yourself
Even if you did somehow not shoot your eye out trying to steal from someone, you don't know how to farm or raise livestock, you'd just die when their supply ran out.
>>75626613
>fun
Necessity and survival are a little different.
I like gardening. But I know I can't survive off of the cherry tomatoes I plant. At best I can cut down my ingredient bill on salads.
Potatoes are more useful, as long as you diversify your crop you should be fine.
>The Celtic grazing lands of... Ireland had been used to pasture cows for centuries. The British colonised... the Irish, transforming much of their countryside into an extended grazing land to raise cattle for a hungry consumer market at home... The British taste for beef had a devastating impact on the impoverished and disenfranchised people of... Ireland... pushed off the best pasture land and forced to farm smaller plots of marginal land, the Irish turned to the potato, a crop that could be grown abundantly in less favorable soil. Eventually, cows took over much of Ireland, leaving the native population virtually dependent on the potato for survival.
>>75626613
Fuck yeah, Harvest Moon was comfy as hell
>>75629738
You can't be self-sufficient and be independent at the same time. If you want to work the land by yourself, great, you'll need a shit ton of machinery to be able to get good yields and not starve in the winter. But they need a lot of diesel - A fucking LOT of diesel. And unless you're going to be doing weekly runs to the gas-station with your 12 gauge (assuming this is a SHTF scenario) you're going to starve. Those machines are noisy as fuck as well, and are hard to operate. So while you're trying to harvest your corn, Jamal and his gang of raiders will shoot you up.
To be self-sufficient, you need a community of like-minded people to help grow crops and lighten the workload, or a humongous family like our ancestors.
>>75628798
Are you seriously denying the obvious fact that industries and agriculture get more and more automated over the years?
>>75629103
That's a neat idea
Can any anons recommend some sources about this kind of stuff that isn't hipster/happening meme tier? Don't really know shit about agriculture, seems pretty interesting
>>75629963
Damonfamilyreunion.jpg
>>75630306
it is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquaponics
>>75630146
Don't solar powered versions exist?
>>75626613
No because I would be too busy growing potatoes to shitpost on a mongolian horsebreeding forum
>>75630146
Perhaps if you had enough land to grow a crop to make into bio diesel.
>>75626613
Thanks to new law in Poland I'm no longer eligible to buy agricultural land, and I wouldn't feel comfortable living off rented one with the owner able to kick me out at the moment's notice. So it may be a cool option, but no longer available for me.
>>75630190
I'm examining the insane timescale and magnitude set up by futurists on this board. Commercial flights have been automated for 20 yrs and we are still getting MORE commercial pilots. Yet somehow in 10 yrs we won't need truck drivers because there was a self-driving car on discovery channel? And farming robots, that depends on what you mean, anything near full automation is insane, certain automation we have already.
But why can't maintenance and coding be automated? There is no logical reason.
Automation is about as revolutionary as VR which is about as revolutionary as strapping a monitor to your head in an elegant way.
>>75629961
You can thank video game, they play their meme dayz clone and think collapse will be a free for all kill fest, they think growing crop, building shelter require just looking at something with the ressources required in your hand.
Chance are these blood hungry edgytard will go onto fetal position and piss themself pleading for life
>>75630842
It's a meme invented by professional class to basically say "be grateful we allow you to live at all and don't dare to complain, peasant".
>>75626613
I would
Gimmi the land.
>>75630588
Thanks for sharing! I liked reading about this
>>75630740
>I'm no longer eligible to buy agricultural land
Explain
>>75630740
Get fucked haha
>>75626613
Living of the land and gardening is ridiculously time and energy intensive.
You really have no idea how much weeding etc it takes if you dont have a tractor and dont spray your shit
Goodluck with working 8hours in the sun
>>75630591
What happens when it breaks? What happens when Jamal and his roving gang of dindu nuffins busts it in a shoot out?
>>75630647
>Need corn to make bio-diesel
>Need bio-diesel to fuel combine
>Need combine to harvest corn
>Need to plant more corn to fuel combine and for you to eat
>Need to use combine longer to harvest all the extra corn
>Need more fuel to be able to use the combine longer
>Need more corn to make more fuel
>Need more fuel to harvest more corn
>etc. etc. etc.
I would, but land is expensive.
I like gardening, but it's rather difficult in Northern Australia.
When I move down to Tasmania, I plan on growing my own crops similar to the pic in the OP. But I don't expect it to cut out all of my cost of living.
>>75631213
What about something that's run off running water?
>>75631118
Basically, the new government is obsessed with the notion of rich Germans (and people from other Western countries) buying up Polish land. Since EU's laws explicitly forbid discriminating against citizens of other member states, the government invented the law that also bars most Polish people from buying land - in effect Germans can no longer buy it, but so do most Poles, so no discrimination by citizenship and it's OK according to the EU.
>>75631286
I've never heard of a steam engine combine but it's plausible, I suppose. You'd need coal to make steam though, and a lot of water. That's water you could be drinking/watering your crops/etc. and coal is very, very hard to get. You could use straw, possibly.
>>75631213
This is sustainability, not trying to build a perpetually growing business.
>>75631357
Wow that is certainly...something
>>75626613
how do you pay the land tax, utility bills, gas, and feed for the animals.
>>75631481
What happens when you're too old to work the combine and you're all alone because you wanted to be independent and self-sufficient?
>>75630842
Nobody said anything about 10 years or 20 years – you can't predict that with any certainty. Fully automated agriculture is already possible with current technology, just not viable yet. Both maintenance and coding can and will be automated. The "robot shit on this board" is merely accepting the inevitable, I don't see what's wrong with it. An occasional underage retard that thinks we won't have to work at all in a couple of years is a different matter and it's hardly worth being called a mass shilling campaign.
>>75626979
>Most vegetables/fruits rot in less than 1 month or 2, and it takes a whole lot more of time to grow them.
Freezing, drying, canning, wine/lemonade.
If its meat you can also smoke it.
>>75631357
Who does own the land then? Does it just belong to the families it always belonged too and they can't sell it even if they wanted? What if the last heir dies? Does every part of land basically belong to the goverment eventually?
>>75626979
Livestock.
Cows are the best livestock for winter, add in a couple of pigs and you are set.
>>75629196
>one guy growing just one crop
that's pretty primitive familia, crop rotation isn't a new concept or anything.
>>75629000
Man i should have done something in Ag. It was one of the few subjects in school i geniunely found interesting
>>75627185
This, senpai.
True wealth is having the knowledge, health, and time to tend to the land.. then to be able to pass this on to guarantee a healthy well being for your offspring.
Powers at be see money as wealth, or want all of us to believe that money and consumerism is true wealth, so they can exploit and control us and isolate the power that is the people's birth right.
>>75631797
Then you die.
>>75632021
It seems that's the plan. If the family already owns land, there are severe restrictions on selling - any transaction involving it needs approval of ANR (Agency of Agricultural Property) and ANR can buy it for the price it appraises itself. Uninterrupted inheritance is allowed only when the heir is member of closest family.
Even when ANR doesn't buy it, there are severe restrictions on who can - only natural persons and registered religious communities are eligible, furthermore if it's a natural person they need to have lived in the gmina (smallest administrative subdivision) the land it's located in (or the neighboring one) for last 5 years, they need to have farming qualifications (basically carte blanche to reject anyone ANR doesn't like, since the law doesn't specify what does that mean) and promise to farm the land themselves. Also, if you already have 300 ha of land, you're strictly banned from buying any more of it.
And yes, the government openly stated the eventual intention is to have vast majority of land owned by the ANR and maybe Catholic Church, with individual farmers renting it.
>>75626613
I like the idea of terracing, because you can implement cross cropping, aquaponics, and various means of erosion control.
>>75629213
Eat your fucking eggs anon. They are good for you.
>>75632574
fuck. I mean their right in protecting their homeland to be bought up by foreign investors, but they are turning your country back to a literal feudal state. How is there not a revolution starting in poland. Isn't a huge portion of your population farmers?
>>75629061
I watched this show once, Doomsday Preppers. Some of the people on there were fucking ridiculous. They talked to this group of people who had some sort of hippie commune. Love and peace, no guns, etc. The interviewer asked them, "What if someone comes to steal all of this from you?" Their response was, "We'll talk to them and tell us about our ways. They'll want to join us afterward, not fight us.
>being that ignorant
>>75629961
>>75630866
>Even if you did somehow not shoot your eye out trying to steal from someone, you don't know how to farm or raise livestock, you'd just die when their supply ran out.
Friend who lives with me now grew up on a farm and knows his shit. I've gone hunting/fishing/etc. Not the best at it, but good enough. I think we can make something work.
>Chance are these blood hungry edgytard will go onto fetal position and piss themself pleading for life
I managed to get through New Orleans right after Katrina without the whole"fetal position and piss themself pleading for life" think, so I'm not too terribly worried. Shit will fucking suck, but it'll suck for everyone if civilization ever collapses—spoilers, it won't.
I have to hand it to hippies the idea of a commune sounds pretty appealing assuming everyone pulled their weight
>>75632760
Not so huge, and besides, I think most farmers don't appreciate what's happening. I know some of them and they mostly agree with new law, saying:
- real farmers don't sell their land, so they aren't bothered by restrictions on selling;
- Germans drive up the price of the land.
Of course when chickens come home to roost and problems start to pile up (for example banks no longer grant mortgages to farmers, because they don't want unsellable land for collateral) I expect protests and riots will ensue, but right now simply no one cares.
>>75633040
>I have to hand it to hippies the idea of a commune sounds pretty appealing assuming everyone pulled their weight
How about the amish or mormons?
>>75633212
Amish are too anti-tech imo
Their views don't bother me but I couldn't do it and I don't see the Amish really making any growth outside of births
I could see other rural communities forming that use less technology in the future after the next market crash. But not to the extent of the Amish. If I'm fucked over by recession id consider it
>>75628672
>being a fucking nigger
>>75633440
D-D-DIVERSITY IS OUR STRE-STRENGTH!
>>75633440
>Tim Wise
OY FUCKING VEY
>>75632201
Livestock is incredibly labour and resource intensive as a significant source of food. Our peasant ancestors rarely ate meat. Even the Romans, at the peak of their civilisation, mostly ate fish instead of meat, which was reserved for the richest among them. Only modern bio-industry can cope with the demand in case of a meat-heavy diet, but if modern bio-industrial methods can be maintained, it's not really a "shit hits the fan" scenario.
>>75626613
How many acres/hectares one need to live off the land (incluiding red meat)?
>>75634244
>Livestock is incredibly labour and resource intensive as a significant source of food. Our peasant ancestors rarely ate meat. Even the Romans, at the peak of their civilisation, mostly ate fish instead of meat, which was reserved for the richest among them. Only modern bio-industry can cope with the demand in case of a meat-heavy diet, but if modern bio-industrial methods can be maintained, it's not really a "shit hits the fan" scenario.
You underestimate our capabilities of bringing livestock. Most Romanian peasant families lived off 1 or 2 cows plus 1 pig a years and some chickens as well a garden. The most labour intensive part was the 2 week gathering of grass to use as feed in the winter, with the biggest issue being the fact that rain might delay the process.
Also you don't eat the cow, you milk it and use the milk as a source of food.
>>75634533
A big cow is 1.5-2 acres.
>>75634533
http://www.nrcs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb1097070.pdf
The rest is much smaller unless you want wheat.
>>75634648
A cow only gives a small amount of nutrients on milk form, compared to what you have to put in. Small farms may have 1 or 2 cows, but they are not self-sufficient, as they have to buy cow feed or at least can't exist solely on itself, it just doesn't add up. Not that it has to, because pure self-sufficiency is retarded when it's not absolutely necessary.
>>75633092
The law is in effect for 4months already and the sky is not burning somehow.
First of may this year was the deadline from the adjusting period to the EU, meaning Germans could buy all the polish land and drive prices so polish people can no longer buy it. Turning whole Poland into Vancouver 2.0.
Even tho im a free market proponent this law makes sense, european union is collapsing, economy is collapsing , we dont want Poland to get dragged down with all this shit.
>>75626613
id prefer that 100 times over city life its so shit and depressing here
>>75628117
is this the new NVIDIA Case?
>>75626613
>"Fun"
As someone who spent summer on farms as a kid and who worked in agriculture as an adult, farming is everything BUT fun.
Its hard ass fucking work.
If you add animals it becomes even more work.
There is a reason why people sent their children to the city to get educated, because farming is hard fucking work.
Even a tiny patch of land as in the picture will give you a daily 5-18 work schedule.
And god forbid you lose your crops.
>>75636440
Maybe if you don't know how to take care for it.
We had a garden the size of our house, while i agree animals require more care. Taking care of veggies is piss easy if you set your garden up well.
The only real work is before you plant the first shit that year, and even that took us a day of work for quite a big garden, the pic in op, would take a week maybe.
Also yes, its unfun if you don't like working in dirt.
>>75635564
>meaning Germans could buy all the polish land and drive prices so polish people can no longer buy it
Well, now nor Germans nor Polish people can buy land. What's the point?
>Turning whole Poland into Vancouver 2.0.
Thing is, Polish land isn't even that attractive as an investment. I doubt that even without any regulations suddenly all of the dirty money would pour into Polish land market.
>european union is collapsing, economy is collapsing , we dont want Poland to get dragged down with all this shit.
I agree with the sentiment, but how does this new law impact it at all?
>The law is in effect for 4months already and the sky is not burning somehow.
Nope, it's in effect only from 1st of May if I remember correctly, it didn't go in effect immediately after the President signed it.
>>75636680
You cant read apparently.
Also, you cannot be self-sustaining without having a field at least the size of OP's pic.
