why is this allowed? we have pilot-less technology now, why the fuck should i trust my life to some middle aged loser who flies airplanes when a computer can do it far better?
there should not be any humans in the cockpit, then we wouldn't have crashes, humans are not perfect
>>75609206
t. trashman
you are 900 times more likely to die in an airplane crash than a car crash
i know my shit, my dad is a statitian for a forum
>>75609206
technology hasn't got the place where it can replace the situation awareness that pilots have.Not to mention the latency issues that happen with drones especially surrounding critical moments like takeoff and landing.
>>75609206
>humans aren't perfect
>humans make software
>trusting a human's ability to make software that can fly a plane more than a human to fly a plane
str8 retard
>>75609206
why are you more likely to trust computer programs written by other middle aged losers?
>>75609412
landing and takeoffs are not that critical, you just step on the gas and lift up
>>75609206
Too many possible scenarios to program a plain to be 10% automated
>>75609553
str8 b8 m8, facilit8 ur death d8
>>75609647
Plane
Reeeee on me
Basically, you're a retard OP.
Don't talk to me or my wife's son ever again.
>>75609206
there always needs to be a pilot to take over in case something goes wrong. Also its a fact that 80% of accidents occur because the pilot error or improper response to a minor-moderate malfunction of one of the flight systems that could have been avoided.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNyfdTTD0kI
>>75609206
Accountability. It's best to have a meatbag to blame the accident on then the company or the technology that would fly the plane pilotless.
>>75609553
>gas
nice one m8
>>75609553
That is, in theory true, but loss of power or some other catastrophic failure might mean you only have miliseconds to act, something that hasn't been resolved yet for drones, because again of the latency issues. My dad has been flying for 40 years though, by now many systems are now automated even way point flying, but for takeoff and landing or flying in bad weather, having someone at the controls is the norm.
>>75610180
if i may piggyback on to this, >>75610180
is right OP, but many times the pilot error was due to lack of experience or miscommunication between the pilots. English is the official language of flight the world around, but you'd be surprised at how many pilots are senior in their respective organizations but who only have a tenuous grasp of the English language at best.
>>75609206
>there should not be any humans in the cockpit, then we wouldn't have crashes,
Have you never watched Air Crash Investigation??
The computers have literally crashed a few airliners in recent years by going apeshit and leaving the pilots powerless.
You're talking out of your arsehole m8.
>>75610229
Basically this. Average, half-retarded people won't accept that a computer glitch brought an airplane down, they want a name so they can rant on Facebook using their Apple iPhones about how all pilots are lazy retards.
If I'm ever a jetliner pilot, and I realize the plane is going to crash, I'm going to nose it into the ground at full throttle. Surviving an air crash would be hell for your career and personal life.
>airplanes are still powered by fuel driven turbines
>not powered by enormous crystal obelisks that generate a sea of electricity to coast on
plebs
automation on aircraft fucks up all the time.
source: airline pilot
>>75610684
WestJet or Air Canada?
>>75609390
How the fuck does that work since most people drive ar least twice a day?
>>7561078
Qatar international most likely
What if we still had pilots but the plane can be taken over from the ground and landed remotely? Like, if there's a hijacking, just cut off the controls from the air.
If someone hijacks a plane, everyone is fucked. If someone breaks into the air traffic control room to override the plane, they could send an entire SWAT team to bust the door down and kill the motherfucker.
I guess that could also malfunction, though.
>>75609553
sure thing ku3ck
>>75610180
>its a fact that 80% of accidents occur because the pilot error or improper response
I remember the crash of the on the M1 of a 757 flying to Belfast here in NI (from London I think).
Fucking pilot turned off the wrong engine after the other engine exploded. Plane just fell like a rock out of the sky.
Apparently one of the survivors (sitting beside the on fire engine) actually realized that the pilot had just announced he was about to switch off the wrong engine.....but the guy didn't tell the stewardess because "he just trusted that the pilot knew what he was doing" kek
>>75610684
https://youtu.be/ae20L78imO4
yeah, i really wouldnt want a computer doing this
>>75611503
>757 flying to Belfast
*737
>Trusting Skynet
>>75611025
his dad is a statitian for a forum, you shouldnt question someone so knowledgeable
>>75611503
What was he at like 1000 feet or something? If he shut the wrong engine off he is going to notice as soon as he has to cut more and more altitude to keep from stalling and at that point he would check the engines and realized he fucked up.
>>75611530
>Please note that this is a fictional flight filmed in different locations and at different times. No route nor instrument setting is real, it has been made for video purposes only.
dumb cunt
>>75611503
if you think that one is bad try Varig Flight 25. The Pilot tuned into the wrong compass heading. Instead of going due north east he went directly west. The passengers all seen the sun in the horizon and some asked the stewardess but that never got through since they thought the pilot knew better. Btw this is a pretty based show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOnafLpIPyk
>>75612141
you actually would feel safe having a windows 10 plane, whos the dumb cunt? it's even better seeing that he's a white male pilot.
>>75611766
>If he shut the wrong engine off he is going to notice as soon as he has to cut more and more altitude to keep from stalling and at that point he would check the engines and realized he fucked up.
From my understanding:
>Engine 1 burst into flames
>Pilot smells smoke in cockpit and assumes it is coming from engine 2 (because of the AC system design)
>AC system design had been changed to other engine on this model and pilot didn't realize the change
>Pilot shuts off working engine 1
>Passenger notices but fails to report this fuck up
>Bad engine 2 is still powering plane to some extent
>Plane is 3 mins from runway when bad engine 2 completely explodes
>Too late to get good engine 1 restarted
>Plane drops like a rock and crashes a couple of hundred yards from runway
>>75612574
What are you even going on about. Never said anything about how safe I feel with computer pilots, just pointed out that video isn't fucking real
You literally have no brain inside your head
Avionics engineer here.
With enough redundancy and fault monitoring/override from the ground, it would be plausible for commercial aircraft to safely fly on their own without aircrew and achieve lower crash rates than we currently have since >50% are attributed to pilot error or failure to adequately respond to in-flight emergencies.
But pilots are cheaper than the cost and time/money lost to maintaining automated flight systems right now since the majority of the fleet are old ass 80s/90s birds. Too much Frankensteining going on to mod those old ass birds with modern equipment--shit breaks like crazy because of it. I still have nightmares from the mid-2000s TCAS mods.
>>75609206
Realle
Maeks
Yuh
Thienk
hae
>>75609206
The captain of an airliner is a leadership position not a technical one. He's responsible for everything and it doesn't matter if the computer flies the aircraft.
>>75612696
>The procedures used are standard Boeing SOP's rather than any airline's SOP's.
OP is not a programmer
>>75609206
As it was put to me: "You dont pay the pilot for normal flight, robots could do that. You pay the pilot to not kill everyone when shit goes wrong."
>>75609206
>why the fuck should i trust my life to some middle aged loser who flies airplanes when a computer can do it far better?
Because of assholes like me ;)
>>75613207
you would willingly kill people?
get help man
no one would willingly kill another human being for any reason
>>75612696
>video isnt real
>being this autistic
wow, i assumed you werent retarded. what is it animated? does your caregiver know you are on the internet?
btw for anyone not a subhuman like this guy, that pilots channel has many unedited/no cut videos...
>>75609206
>when a computer can do it far better?
Because it can't?
>>75609553
AoT, nigger
>>75613559
yes it can, a computer can controll my car, i can start it with an app on my phone, yes it can
>>75613640
>yes it can, a computer can controll my car,
Because your car has to worry about yaw
Because your car has rudders, flaps, and ailerons right?
Your trolling is subpar
Please try harder
>>75609206
>Flying in the aerodynamic jew
>>75613859
oh and how are we supposed to get around?
if you protest every single thing that touches jewish hands or isreal, you are more or less confined to your basement breathing in treated HVAC air...assuming your house has central air conditioning
animation related....
Thinking beings will always be needed to deal with unforeseen situations that require far more "thought" than a simple computer can provide.
>>75609206
Tell that to Captain "Sully."
>>75613207
>>75616117
vimeo.com/102344980
>>75609390
>you are 900 times more likely to die in an airplane crash than a car crash
Gee who would have thought:
Falling out the sky from 30,0000ft and full of jet fuel Vs an average 40mph bump wearig a seatbelt with crumple zones
9/11
Airplanes are actually super safe. Just always remember the old joke.
The chance of a part failing in a modern plane are 1 in a trillion. Of course, a modern plane has ten trillion parts...
>>75609553
>landing
>step on the gas and pull up
Pilotfag here. Systems fail all the fucking time.
>>75609206
>Some middle aged loser
Airline pilots are pretty much the definition of winners in my book.
>>75609206
Sully sullenberger
>>75614780
BTW - Everyone should push everyone to make "black box" data live streamed. With planes going 404 now live streaming data would really help a lot!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbYHY_QhiBw
friendly reminder to NOT fall for the automation meme
>>75609553
>step on the gas
>>75618379
why does that look like a penis going inside a butt
>>75609206
airline pilot here
ask me anything
>>75620023
are you going to make america great again?
>>75620164
fuck yeah dude
>>75620023
Do you guys really switch on the autopilot at 50ft and let the computer fly the plane until finals?
>>75620023
how to automate that which cannot be automated?
https://youtu.be/ae20L78imO4
>>75620023
Is there any or everything on your planes you would like to see run buy computers that are not right now?
Captcha - Select all images with airplanes :)
>>75620328
no. they encourage us to fly to 10,000ft, however operation specifications specify 600ft is the LOWEST you can turn it on
>>75620346
the only thing I'd like to see more automated is the frequencies. Up in cruise, we are flying into different sectors that requires a different ground controller, and thus a different frequency that we have to manually tune in. People get the frequencies wrong and then end up not on any frequency and it becomes a shit show.
airplanes are not as automated as you guys think... it literally just does what WE tell it to do. nothing more, nothing less... well, sometimes less. the computers become retarded and we have to click the auto pilot off and manually fly sometimes. its weird. Cant 100% trust computers in the airplane, which is why they still have pilots.
>>75620328
>>75609206
Takeoffs and landings are entirely automated. The pilot can take over if he wishes but they are there only because the FAA requires it. Airlines want to get rid of the First Officer but the FAA won't allow it.
>>75620547
Sometimes while I'm driving I think about what would happen if I swerved into the oncoming lane.
Have you ever had similar thoughts while flying?
>>75616498
Captain Sully is a typical NY hero meme you know. They did flight simulator to see if he could have gone back to the airport. Every single time they did they were able to steer and land the plane safely. Geese shouldn't be able to clog up an engine entirely.
>>75620764
LOL no they're not. we have to have the auto pilot off by 800ft from the ground, and can only turn it on 600ft OFF the ground
source: airline pilot. Get keked nerd. Caught you lying liek the faggot you are
no, they dont want to get rid of the first officer... if the captain passes out, is the computer going to do something about the situation? no... lol. you're an idiot
nobody listen to this retarded faggot. he literally has no idea what he's talking about.
>>75617779
Britain pls
>>75620880
yeah, there was no reason he wasn't able to land it at Teterboro
>>75620798
yeah, but I never act on them or even think about acting on them. just a "what if.." scenario....
>>75620764
Problem is those damn birds....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrnVrw6Wfnw
>>75620547
>the only thing I'd like to see more automated is the frequencies.
I find that very interesting because that really is one of the more simple problems to solve....
Would you like to see anything less automated?
>>75609206
because your life is never guaranteed no matter how you change the variables. Every day you live , you could die at any moment or continue living. Yet here you are shitposting on 4chan.
>>75609457
basically
>>75609390
But that airplane is 900 times less likely to crash.
>>75620998
How much do you make per year from being a pilot
>>75621011
>really is one of the more simple problems
i agree. I don't get it. Maybe its just to keep the pilots active up in cruise while the auto pilot does everything? i dunno. Could be to keep ground controllers employed. Honestly, I do not know
>like to see anything less automated?
nah not really, because for the most part things are NOT automated. Again, the airplanes only do what WE tell them to do, so its not like its going to get a brain of its own and just do stuff. If we tell it to fly into a building, it will. We have to manually do a lot of stuff, such as tune frequencies, program the computer with waypoints we approve, tell the airplane when to start and stop the engines, apu, anti-ice, etc.
>>75620998
do you have to do everything air control tells you to do? like if your approaching clouds can you pull above them to avoid them or do you have to ask permission from air traffic control to make any unregulated movements
am wanting to be an air force pilot one day too, is it hard to get in?
>>75621223
I make about 80k right now, but I'll top out at about 180k-350k, based on what type of flying I want to do, either international or domestic and what type of airplane I want to be on ( a commuter type or a wide body.)
>>75621326
Yeah, we have to do what they tell us UNLESS it threatens our safety. The laws state we are allowed to deviate from controller commands if it jeopardizes our safety.
Controllers always allow us to deviate for weather (clouds) and stuff like that anyway, though.
>>75621513
ever have an argument with a ground controller? (at the airport at the gate)
or more so, ever have VFR fuckwads screwing up everything?
>>75620023
Fast, Neat, Average?
>>75621251
>i agree. I don't get it. Maybe its just to keep the pilots active up in cruise while the auto pilot does everything? i dunno. Could be to keep ground controllers employed. Honestly, I do not know
There is a lot of legacy dead weight involved. It would be a major change to do a cellular or military network for commercial aircraft. Especially would wide... There are also the lessons learned about communications in 911 and the failures of tech trying to fix it...
But there is great hope there! That will probably be one of the few things that actually will get fixed sooner than later. I just hope it does not take a disaster thing to make it happen either after it should be done or before it should be done.
>>75621721
>argument with controllers
nah, not really. That doesn't get you anywhere because they have the authority to ground you and shit like that, causing delays and causing you to get to your hotel later than what you wanted and thats like the most important thing to a pilot lol. I've gotten into a few kerfuffles, if you will, with like how to taxi to a certain spot and how its not possible and shit or something like that but never a full blown argument. There's a funny youtube video between a delta pilot and an atlanta controller where the pilot explodes on the frequency
>VFR fuckwads
eh, not exactly. They can't go up as high as we can during cruise and when it comes to landing, we are in a certain type of airspace where they aren't allowed to enter without approval. I have had like people below the airspace though that cause our TCAS (traffic collision avoidance system) to trigger and the airplane starts barking at us to climb or descent immediately. That's always fun, but super rare. Controllers are good at keeping an eye on that stuff.
>>75621879
what? the job or the airplane?
airplane is fast, cool, and fun
>>75621979
well, what's trying to be rolled out in something called 'Next Gen' is texting from controllers to the airplanes. We have something called an FMS that has the ability to receive text messages from ground personnel. Currently, its only for communicating between the aircraft and the company but theyre trying to get it so theyre arent even radios anymore and its all message based.
>>75609206
Most of it's already automated. The pilots are there just as a precaution in case the system goes haywire.
I heard being a pilot is actually piss-easy (aside from the school) where you just sit back and take a nap. Is this true?
>>75622292
wrong. the airplane doesn't do anything we don't command it to do. the only automated thing is flying from way point to way point. it doesn't descent for us, it doesnt climb for us, it doesnt land or takeoff for us. it doesnt even fly waypoint to waypoint without us telling it to, and sometimes it doesn't even do that right.
>>75609553
I work on aircraft in the airforce for a living. Great bait mate. Shits far more complicated than that. Fuckoff
>>75621011
>Problem is those damn birds....
Buy the way, When a bird strikes an aircraft is is extremely unusual for the crew "not" to say either "oh shit", or "fuck". We wondered if the alarm should be automated to just "Fuck'n bird!".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaHjT7_WYXs
>>75622412
no, we are super busy as fuck during takeoff, climb, descent, and landing phase. cruise phase is the only part that's boring and where you're essentially just monitoring the instruments. Training is hard, long, expensive and stressful as fuck. We are gone from home 4 days at a time, at least once a week. being on the road is tiring.
>>75609206
>tfw two white male pilots on your plane
>>75622671
Ive seen 2 nigger and 2 female pilots. ride was awful.
>>75622198
Just asking on the off chance you're a zoomie
>>75622198
Would you ever pilot a DC10?
>>75622734
what airline do you fly for....or is it a thing of
"if i tell you i get fired" if so, then don't even tell us
i know the aircraft is either an a320 or a319
>>75622751
oh, no. sorry. I wanted to be in the air force but i got too busy for AFROTC in college.
>>75622867
>spotting a snackbar flight
do you guys ever make racist jokes about Etihad, Qatar, or Emirates?
>>75622755
Fuck yeah i would, but those airplanes are really only used in the air force and 3rd world countries now. It's an old bird.
>>75622820
Nah it's not a problem but I appreciate your concern brutha. I fly for Delta Connection. We are delta but we do they're connection shit. It's a CRJ-900.
>>75622603
are you allowed to do anyhting during cruise like read a book or play on your phone, or do you just have to sit there and stair at your instruments for 4+ hours
>>75609206
Maybe in 30 years, but not now.
>>75622734
my condolences.
>>75609206
>when a computer can do it far better
someone still sits at the computer
>>75609390
>i know my shit, my dad is a statitian for a forum
my dad works at Nintendo debate me
>>75622961
no, because their pilots are all white americans lol. No joke. It's hilarious hearing them on the radio because we expect them to be all derka derkas but when a white american chimes in, we laugh. Believe it or not, the snackbars have the newest and coolest airplanes, but thats because they're all funded by their governments. Here's an example (pic), a brand new a350 by a derka country (cant remember which one). Ah fuck, its on my phone and I'm on my desktop. here's that same fucker from the other pic tho
>>75622961
Kek
Emirates is actually the largest airliner company in the world. My mate who is an aspiring pilot told me its every pilots dream to fly with Emirates.
>>75620023
Did you start in the airforce?
Have you ever had to do some tricky shit to avoid a crash?
Are most commercial pilots way overqualified? What's the dream job - private pilot?
>>75623020
we are allowed to read company approved reading material only, like airplane manuals and company procedures, and we ***totally**** stick to that. I don't use the onboard wifi or read my newspaper or books or play games on my phone or anything
>>75620023
I'm actually pretty scared of flying. Is there anything you can say that will make me a little less afraid?
>>75609206
>why the fuck should i trust my life to some middle aged loser who flies airplanes
are you aware that airlines almost exclusively hire ex-military pilots
>ScareBus still fucked up their low-flying maneuver at an airshow and 2 volunteer passengers died.
By the way. When it comes to aircraft electronics the St Elmo's Fire thing scares the living shit out of us electron folks... Not only will it destroy computers but it will turn them into a fire hazard as they burn up.... Especially bad as aircraft become more and more plastic instead of metal... Fiber optics or your friend ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne8I0JtrXUE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC2VTXuNKqU
>>75623319
I always wondered if i was playing my pilot online...
>>75623319
kek ever shit post from the stratosphere?
>>75609553
>STEP ON THE GAS
>>75620023
Ever fly to Israel? If you hypothetically had a cabin full of Jews would you crash into the ground for the betterment of mankind?
>>75623530
no, not autistic
>>75609206
>humans are not perfect
>humans design robots
>robots are perfect
???
>>75623216
>every pilots dream
no, its the dream of single, famliless pilots who don't care about having a personal life because they're wallets are lined with money they'll never spend because they're too busy working
>>75623315
nah, I did a university aviation program. airforce doesn't fly with humans as much as you would think. Nope, never had to do anything tricky. It's pretty safe up there my man. Overqualified? yeah, for what we do on a daily basis, however we are perfectly qualified if shit hits the fan. I have to go into a simulator every year, for a few days, and get nothing but emergencies after emergencies thrown at me. This doesn't include the mandatory yearly ground classroom training with like 4 tests or the yearly pilot physical exam. Private pilots are just retards who got a license and fly cessnas. What youre thinking of is corporate flying. That job CAN be good but you're on call and always risking losing your job. Youre the first to go at a corporate gig when their business isn't doing well.
>>75623335
All I can say bro is that we are so highly trained it would make you sick. We have to train, retrain, over and over and over again for our entire careers, yearly, with emergencies and all sorts of shit. Airplanes WANT to fly. it takes a lot for one to crash. Turbulence is nothing. here's a video showing how far a plane's wings can bend before breaking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai2HmvAXcU0
Been tried.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAROv-V783s
>>75623468
haha nah, we can't play those onboard games, but we can totally ***not*** connect to the wifi and browse /pol/.
>>75623486
all the time lol. no joke. I posted a picture once when I was up there and it had the tail number of the airplane I was on. The dude on pol looked it up and called me out for my company, specific flight details and threatened to report me. I immediately logged off and was waiting for a call over the radio... i was nervous AF. Oh wait, I totally ****never did any of this****, i promise.
>>75609206
OP is right and you are all a bunch of faggots
>>75623530
nah, i fly domestic and canada only
>>75623015
9E?
>>75623894
I have ***no*** idea what you're talking about
I don't think I'm using the ***'s right but fuck it.
>>75623787
>I posted a picture once when I was up there and it had the tail number of the airplane I was on
cmon man
>>75624055
it was super dark and I didn't notice it was in the shot, but some fat fuck enhanced it and got the tail number.
pic unrelated. just posting ones I've snapped while flying or taxiing around.
>>75624037
N'uff said. I still fly 135, building time for my ATP.
>>75623654
What are your thoughts on TWA 800? Do you think the story the investigation presented was bullshit?
>>75623654
154
154
154
>>75624187
it was a surface to air missile, the navy was testing it and fired at what they thought was a dummy target
>>75620023
Can your plane melt steel beams?
>>75624169
word man, I did that too for a while. I was flying freight at a 135 op for about a year and a half. Keep it up and just wade your way thru the shit and you'll get there
pic related, falcon 20 from my 135 job
>>75624164
are you ex-military?
>>75609206
Machines arent perfect either dumbshit
>>75624266
My 135 job is pretty fun. It's VFR PIC at the moment, but once I hit my 1200 I'll go to the Van.
>>75624187
honestly I dont know that one. We went thru a lot of those accidents in school and I can't remember which one is what
>>75624213
cool, eh?
>>75624259
Yes, our engines go as high as like 700 degrees Celsius and even higher.
>>75624164
how often do you have to stay at a hotel overnight due to long flight paths?
I always dreamed of being an international pilot and get to visit a new bar for every country i end up in that night lol
>>75609206
>then we wouldn't have crashes
>humans are not perfect
Neither are programs. Literally every piece of software to date is a testament to this. Plus we tried this in the 90s with horrifying results in japan
>>75624315
nah, university flight program
>>75624412
damn dude, where do you fly? that's pretty AF. I would regularly fly to mexico (pic related) with an on ground altitude of 8k ft
>>75624437
Smashing some puss
>>75624437
Ah, so like you go out on trips. Its never an out and back trip. When you start your work day on day one, you go out for 3 or 4 nights, where you're in a hotel for 2 or 3 nights (you come home on your last day). It gets tiring, but if youre single and young, fuck it who cares. On my last overnight, I went to visit some museums and shit. it was pretty cool. My day started at 7am and I was done by 1030am lol. Had like 18 hours off that time.
>>75624532
i usually just bang my flight attendants. It's a real stereotype.
>>75620023
>ask me anything
An odd question I am asking for a friend...
How is cockpit air quality? On the ground, in the air... Better or worse these days. Plane A better than plane B.... Has it every made you sick? Any specific smells that have ever been a problem for you?
>>75624524
I'm up in AK. I do 2 weeks on/2 weeks off. The company has a non cabin JS agreement with a ton of companies like DA and UA that I can use on my time off.. They pay for my ticket to and from work as well. This pic was taken on my morning route on Saturday.
my computer bluescreened half an hour ago
>>75624732
ahah no thats a cool question. Theyre fine. Its the same air you're breathing in the back. There are filters on the ACM (air cycle machines, basically what gives you oxygen up at altitude), and when those filters start to become clogged they start to stink. So, if you ever have stinky air, its' because the filters need to be changed.
>>75624773
nice man, some manly flying up 'round those parts. I give you props for that shit.
>>75610670
>mfw i just finished consuming this exact concoction
sign from god?
>>75624421
>Yes, our engines go as high as like 700 degrees Celsius and even higher.
That's is their happy world :D No problem at all.
>>75624926
There's VFR, and there's AK "VFR". One of my CFI buddies has a class date with your employer late this summer. If you meet a guy in his mid 20s who flies UH-60s in the guard it'll likely be him.
>>75609553
wew lad, why don't you join the air force? You seem experience enough
>>75609553
>this is what normies think happens when i throttle up on the Tarmac
Actual Pilot here. A lot more goes on in my day than you might think
>>75623163
>someone still sits at the computer
Yes, but that someone is hired by the company itself. Hired pilots weren't the ones that did 9/11, hijackers were.
If the controls are at ground, it means that it's useless for a hijacker to take control of the airplane. They'd have to take control of the airport, which is considerably harder.
>>75625034
ahaha yeah, I love the FAR/AIM... every rule in there is ended with "except Alaska" haha.
Nice man. its a great company and by far the most well paying regional. I like it a lot. They treat us well.
>>75624926
Hi plane man
Locomotive engineer here. You guys are cool with me
>>75624828
>Theyre fine.
Excellent! I was a a very long meeting about that. We will be happy!
I wanted to be a pilot coming out of highschool.
still kinda do idk.
its expensive as fuck though and im poor so not likely
after getting used to flying do you feel just like a bus driver?
>>75624926
where did you work once you got your commercial? Did you instruct?
>>75612292
There was also an incident where a pilot flying to Korea failed to enable the guidance system (or w/e), slowly went off course and got shot down by a Soviet jet.
>>75625198
When do you qualify for the interview with the big parent company?
>>75625203
fuck yeah you canadian faggot. We transport boyz stick together. I'm up in canada all the time. Fly regularly to Torotno, Edmonton, saskatchewan, regina, montreal (gross), and quebec (gross).
Cheers.
>>75625210
the air is fine man, nothing to worry about. It's outside (fresh) air just compressed by the engines super hard.
>>75609206
>CTRL F "hacking"
>0 results
Come on /pol/.
>>75609206
>why should I trust a middle age loser pilot
>i should trust a middle aged loser programmer instead
topcuck
>>75625299
t. Asian Pilots
>>75609553
Nice. Very successful troll.
>>75625253
After I got my commercial, I went on to get my flight instructor ratings and was a flight instructor for about a year before working for a freight company. Did that for 1.5 years and then went to the airlines
>>75625300
Hmm thats a little complicated. I'm part of whats called the 'lost' generation of pilots within my company. about 100 of us fall in this category where everyone ahead of us and behind us in seniority got a guaranteed interview. It's bullshit but they're working on it.
>>75625379
they're the worst. Literally the only good asian pilots are the japanese ones. Koreans, Chinese, and every other country with slant-eyes are TERRIBLE. don't fly on their airlines. I can explain why but its sort of long.
>>75623163
Reading over other comments in the thread, a solution would be to have a 2-tier safety system:
You still have a pilot in the cockpit, in case automation fucks up, but also control can be forcibly re-taken from the cockpit in case of a hijacking event.
>>75624622
that sounds sweet as all hell lol, hope your gf or wife doesnt cuck you while your gone so long lol, thats probably a big issue in the pilot industry
>>75625439
Yuck, hopefully you get it straightened out. I still think eventually you guys might get absorbed into the parent company. They already have a CRJ-900 payscale on the books.
>>75625472
>I can explain why but its sort of long.
We all understand why, no need to explain.
>>75620023
How many hours?
What do you think of crop duster pilots?
Do you hate paperwork too?
Pilots are the number 1 reason planes crashes.
>>75625472
I had Korean students. I know all too well.
>>75625556
lived next to a family that had a pilot husband, stay at home wife (I think) and two daughters when I was growing up
we found out she was cheating with the pastor when I was like 15 or something
>>75625439
How many hours did you have when you started flying freight?
I'm getting my CFI right now btw
>>75625556
>doesn't cuck you
nah, she's an asian and she loves my mad white D. You do, however, ahve to find the right girl who won't cheat. I have one and shes cool with it. Its a pretty cool job. Its not your regular 9-5 and thats why I love it.
>>75625577
I hope so. The union has promised us to have a solution soon. Yeah, its possible. Our numbers are better than the main line's, so you never know. I wouldn't complain about it honestly because i REALLY dont want to do that interview....
>>75625726
Tell me about a time...
>>75625713
I'm not the guy you replied to, but I had about 550 when I got my 135 job.
>>75625556
>hope your gf or wife doesnt cuck you
other way around bruh
>>75624524
What are those blue gel caps on the far right side?
>>75625340
>the air is fine man, nothing to worry about
Are there any aircraft controls knobs, levers, etc. that you hate or have ever been cut/injured buy, snapped off, just those little shit complaints?
Vid is just bullshit and can be skipped.... But funny late at night...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQZzTPd1HJw
>>75625609
lol, well its probably different than what you'd think actually. They're shit, except for the japs, so thats all you really need to know
I have about 2k at the moment. Crop dusters are cool. Flying low and fast by the ground its a fucking rush, but its also dangerous. I'd do it, though. Nah, our paperwork isn't that bad. We just basically sign a piece of paper and give it to the gate agents and thats about it. When I was flying for the freight company, I would have to do a SHIT ton of paperwork and that was gay as fuck. Even more so when I had to fly to your country with the international paperwork and all the shit paperwork you mexicans made us sign.
>>75625617
yeah, you get it.
>>75625713
I hit about 800 hours before the freight job. It was 135 so it didnt require ATP minimums. CFI is a great learning job, man. I learned way more about real life flying doing that than I ever did in any training class. You learn so much just by teaching it. its crazy, but you'll see.
pic related, from my instructing days in Miami
>>75625860
absorbs moisture from in between the windows
>>75625893
mm I've snapped some off but they were worn the fuck out. Never cut or anything like that
lol those old school videos are aweomse. They still use that shit, even to this day. they're annoying and gay.
>>75623654
Thanks man, makes me feel a bit better :)
Dad is a flight instructor for Alaska Airlines, shit is not easy. Most crashes that happen are because chinks cant fly for shit or mechanical.
>>75626130
you got it man. It truly is safe. Don't let movies scare you. They're so highly inaccurate
>>75625937
I flew a skyhawk from SD to Key West last year when I was building time for my commercial. I love flying around south Florida.
>>75626205
yup, can confirm. My buddy's dad is a 777 training instructor for Korean air and those retarded regularly fly into mountains in the simulators.
>>75625849
>>75625937
Thanks for the info. Here I was getting worried I'd have to get over 900 hours just so my resume didnt end up in the trash
I've got a few options for instructing, but after that i dont really have a plan yet
>>75626264
hell yeah man, Instructing down there was really quite the privilege and dream. So beautiful. That's a long ass flight tho haha. Ass hurt after a while?
also, flying over the everglades at night is scary as fuck. you can legally log instrument time out there because of how dark it is, at night.
>>75625472
Why?
>inb4 its the same as asian drivers
>>75626305
If you're willing to fly here in AK you'll be able to get a 135 VFR job at 500. Pay is way better up here too.
>>75626305
no worries homie. What i honestly reccomend, is that if you're aiming for the airlines, just instruct until your hours. Get a job at a high student yield flight school, like down in miami or in texas with international students. make sure its a part 141 school. You'll build hours fast, way faster than instructing at your local mom and pop flight school. You'll have to move but it'll be worth it, i promise. forget 135. get into the airlines as soon as possible. again, if that's your goal.
>>75625104
Student here. Where do you fly out of bro?
>>75626351
It wasn't too bad. We went to KISM on our first day and that was 10.1 on the hobbs. We spent a bunch of time that week just bombing around Key West and the Miami area.
>>75626280
Full motion sim crashes are the best.
>>75626374
its a cultural thing. The captain in most asian countries have completely authority and it is considered disrespectful to challenge the captain, even when you know he's wrong... so the first officers (co-pilots) dont and they let the bad situation fully develop into a crash. Western societies have worked that issue out of their systems, and japan is the only asian country to follow suite. We are taught to challenge the captain if we see or know hes doing something wrong.
>>75626383
Where in AK? I'm from ANC
>>75626548
Suit*
>>75612594
You have to be a retarded pilot to not question why you are cruising with 100% throttle on a supposedly working engine, when you should be using much much less throttle. Training fuck up.
I don't think a computer could pull this off
>>75626508
>10.1
fucking kill me man. I like flying, but not that long in a cessna haha. Awesome, though. I wish I still flew down there. It was a god damn blast with those waters and shit.
>>75626612
I'll give you a hint. Our callsign is "hoot" and we do a run from ANC to Kenai. The rest is in SW AK
>>75626548
would you ever go on an aviation tour in North Korea...the one where they literally fly you around in their aging fleet (and by aging i mean 30-50 years old)
>>75626681
Dad did work for ERA in 2014 now does work for ASA and Taquan in KTN
>>75626508
also, I flew out of the Tamiami airport while instructing. shit was a zoo.
>>75626548
A lot of asian companies rely on the computers more as well for take off and landing.
>>75626683
yeah bro, i totally would. They probably maintain them pretty well, actually (maybe). Those old airplanes are cool.
>>75626677
It wasn't that bad lol. It took over 13 to get home. We were in IMC for 3.5 of a 4 hour leg between Arkansas and Nebraska.
>>75626752
Corvus and then AS are my goals.
>>75626826
you're a stronger man than I, my friend. Even at the airlines, 3 hours and I'm about ready to run up and down the aisles screaming "NIGGER" out of frustration. Thats nuts tho, 3 hours solid IMC in a skycock. impressive.
>>75609206
If you only know how easy and how bad software and hardware security is in airports and airplanes you would be blown away
>>75626820
ironically, their most recent plane is the Antonoc an-124, entered service in 2011
>>75626898
ASA is pretty great.Getting the new 737 MAX and now getting virgin america.
What do you guys fly
Remember folks.
Those google computer cars have run on the streets 0.000001% as much as our cars and the only real accident they have had is when the car pulled out in front of a on coming bus... It will be a very very long time before any real company risks 300 lives and a $300++ million dollar airplane to that shit...
>>75627002
i see those things at my home airport. they're cool looking. Wait, they're using them for pax or cargo?
>>75626677
How are your student loans? DDDDDD:
I've narrowed down my long term career to either Pilot or Police Officer.
>>75626548
i see. I never really tought about the option of being a pilot before, but now it seems interesting.
two questions for you captain,
How often do you use autopilot? is it true that all comercial pilots do are takeoff and landings?
Next is what do you study at uni? do you have a career path after youre "done" with flying?
>>75610684
Can confirm. Some of that shit is 10+ years old
>Source: airline software company employee
>>75627039
Sleds, airvans, vans, hoes, and KA200s.
>>75627056
148, i mean, pic related
>>75627076
if you go pilot, dont get married. you'll never be home.
>>75627076
pilot all the way, brother. You're much more respected and girls fucking LOVE it. no joke. the amount of puss for just telling them I'm an airline pilot is insane. you get a lot of respect.
My students loans, because I did a college program, were super fucking high (around 90-100k) but you can go to your local flight school and just do them that way WHILE earning a degree in school. its a much better option
do NOT.. I fucking repeat DO FUCKING NOT do embry riddle. biggest waste of money there is. Its a good program but you pay over twice what everyone else is paying for the exact same shit.
>>75625937
>Even more so when I had to fly to your country with the international paperwork and all the shit paperwork you mexicans made us sign.
Yeah that is why i was asking.
PGR makes us sign a paper for everything we do, we need to report before starting to work, when we are done, how much we worked, when we want to buy fuel, where we stored that fuel, how much fuel we used in the end, in which car we are going to transport it, where we are going to work, for who, how much, etc.
8 years ago we didn't had the need to do any of this other than for buying fuel, drugs, cartel and other stuff increase paperwork we have to do every year.
Atleast its worth it, i make $300,000-500,000 every year in my piper pawnee.
>>75609553
>Step on the gas
Really?
>>75627076
I only have $5k in debt. I worked in college, had scholarships, and paid for my flight training out of pocket. If you're smart it's easily doable.
>>75627152
I don't want to get married, I'm too emotionally distant, and my careers I've looked into kind of reflect that lmao.
>>75627204
There's one around here that does certification up to multi engine, how much study is needed until I can get a job that's not instructing with the training?
>>75627350
multi jet engine*
>>75609206
Nice id, king kuck.
>>75623015
Air Traffic Controller here. How's knowing you're nothing more than a trained monkey?
>>75627429
Trained monkey here. How's knowing you're nothing more than a Air Traffic Controller?
>>75627100
yeha, like I said its something you probably didnt think about haha
>how often do you use auto pilot
you use it for climb, cruise, descent phases. Some guys hand fly up to altitude then engage it. It makes your life 100000% easier, trust me. hand flying is terrible.
>is it true all commercial pilots do are takeoff and landings
yes and no. We manually take off and land but you have to actually control the auto pilot during cimb, cruise, and descent. it doesn't do it for you. you have to push puttons for up and down, which commands the auto pilot, and you have to set the rate of which it climbs and descents and youre constantly adjusting it. You aren't sitting there doing nothing even with the auto pilot engaged, trust me.
>what did you study at uni
in college, i studied aviation. It was a flight training program. Its not required to be an airline pilot but it was definitely helpful. Most airlines require you to have a degree, and it doesn't matter what you get it in, honestly. But I would recommend a flight degree of some sort IF you know thats what you'll be doing for the rest of your life. It makes everything a little easier. Yeah, you have a pretty set career path. You may have to fly small airplanes (propellers) for a while after school to build hours before you go to the airlines, but every country is different. You might be able to go right into an airliner out of school/training. In the u.s., that isn't the case but where other countries have the upper hand is that they dont have the requirement to have so many hours before flying an airline airplane.
I love the job, man. You really have to love flying to do this job, though. If youre just so-so, then it might not be a fit for you. What I recommend is you go to your local small airport and ask for a 'Discovery flight'. Theyll take you up in a small airplane for an hour or so and you'll know right away whether or not you want to do that for the rest of your life
>>75627490
Squack VFR. Frequency changed approved, go fuck yourself. Oh wait you're not flying VFR. You're IFR. you're literally told what to do the entire fucking time you fly.
Hows knowing you'll never be a real pilot?
>>75627429
fuck off, faggot. You retards just repeat numbers all day and say "hello" and "goodbye". You could easily be replaced by 12 year old that has a monster energy drink. Enjoy dying 13 years prematurely ya faggot. I bet you're new york or chicago center..... OOPS SORRY I WAS ON A LANDLINE. fag
>>75627406
>Kuckeloj
Trained Monkey. Zoo approved, go fuck yourself. Oh wait you're not doing tricks for tourists. You're a fucking ATC. you're literally told what to do the entire fucking time you work.
Hows knowing you'll never be a real monkey?
>>75627634
If you think working in a RAPCON/TRACON is that easy you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about.
There's a massive difference between Centers/TRACONS.
>>75627222
well at my freight job yes the paperwork was overwhelming. I don't fly into mexico with the airlines so its no big deal anymore. Yeah, the cartels are faggots. I bet thats why I always get a fucking m16 pointed in my face by your mexican military every time I used to land in Guadalajara, Saltio, Tuluca, etc.
>>75627722
hue
>>75626046
>mm I've snapped some off but they were worn the fuck out
Interesting.....
That really should NOT happen....
Thank you for being cool! We always get official reports and hot-line shit... But most real big complainants are found out very anon when people can say it just like it is...
We worry about many things and many times little things get lost. Worn the fuck out cockpit switches seemed to be your input to us :))) Fix that stupid shit we will!!!
>>75627350
dont do a multi-engine jet course. those are fucking stupid. get your commercial multi-engine (prop) with a single-engine add-on. You'll most likely have to become a CFI and teach for a while but its worth it. I loathed doing that but turns out it wasnt that bad and I liked teaching and learned a lot.
>>75627606
Nvm, i can tell youre still in training. We dont squack VFR in the airlines you fat fucking retard.
>>75627634
And why exactly would I die 13 years early if all I say is hello goodbye? Because I sit down all day? Solid point there genius. It's not like there's hundreds of millions of jobs that require you to sit in a fucking chair.
>>75627839
What do you call a 300 pound controller?
The skinny guy.
>>75627738
your job is shit. this is literally all you do all god damn day, because I hear it all god damn day
"blah blah contact blah blah center on 118.75 goodday. Blah blah air climb FL370 and contact nigger center on 132.05 goodday".
learn how to fly a fucking airplane and then tell me your job is difficult. Theres a reason why it takes us like 5 years from no training to being in the right seat of an airliner, compared to your 4 months of training and right to JFK approach.
