>This is what leftists believe
why the fuck are lefties so delusional????
because they never had to work a single day of their lives and idolize communism without even knowing what it is
>>75541860
This man speaks from experience
>>75541737
More like they get stuck on the cavern's entrance, then die of foods shortages
>>75541860
This.
If you want to stump a Commie faggot forever, ask them whether they'll give up all their possessions when the revolution comes.
If they say yes, ask them whether they'd like to work in the fields, the mines or the factory.
100% of these delusional kike-read morons will say they'd take some sort of administrative role instead of physical labour, because they're better suited to it.
From there you can irrevocably trap them into identifying with the rulers more than the workers, and then they're fucked because you're using their own retarded ideas against them and forcing them to acknowledge that they're not a part of the working class (communists never are)
>>75541737
>wage slaves
As opposed to literal slaves?
Have these retards ever heard of the gulags
>>75542183
>implying there is a need for that kind of labour in the automized future
>>75542445
>bu-bu-but Soviet Union was run by State Capitalism, not communism
their counter-argument btw
>>75542577
Just ask them how they will maintain there brand new society after it has just emerged from a revolution without force.
They can't answer
>>75541737
They are just lazy.
>>75542646
I am thinking that that's their struggle to attain power since they saw themselves as the intellectually capable citizens and treat others as low IQ workers who need to saw the light and be a commie like them. OP pic was from a repost from my "friend" who hardly sees himself as the smart goy btw
>>75542470
>muh automized future
>muh sci-fi future
yeah, when precisely?
>>75542470
>Communism
>Letting Robots do all the work
Communism is designed around the concept of all or most HUMANS doing their share of work. You're a fucking idiot kill yourself
Also I love this meme that in 10-20 years everything will be automated. Didn't they say that 10-20 years ago? There are jobs that robots cannot fucking do, they require complex and off the cuff problem solving and creativity. Some of these jobs are essential ones.
>>75542470
>I base my present day political and economical decisions on a possible far future
>>75542470
Until we get the robutts, no communism for you
came up with a joke yesterday anfter talking to a lefty about communism.
What's the best thing about communism?
>>75542470
Also don't forget that the result of the industrial revolution wasn't communism, quite the contrary
>>75543014
True communism has never been tried before(all of their arguments in a nutshell).
>>75543090
they also made words like State Capitalism (wtf?) and etc. to prove their point
>>75541737
>ideology is bad
Do they not know that communism is an ideology?
>>75541737
But leftists love spooks, just look at all the whites at blm protests.
>>75542899
>when precisely?
i don't know the precise date, but i reckon in few decades
china seems to be on the roll with automizing factories, and i think other ading economies won't want to fall behind
considering the competitive nature of capitalism i think it could go faster and faster, maybe comparable to the race to the moon between the US and USSR
>communists misappropriating spooks
Communism is literally a spook.
>>75543090
>mfw literal trust fund kiddie uni communist tells me communism works
>>75542470
who will build the machines, who will teach the kids, who will provide piano lessons, who will play football for the amusement of others, who will sleep with other people for money, ...
>>75543090
The "true" communism can never work in a country because it needs all the people to simultaneously agree
>>75543166
They're idiotic by nature, just ignore them.
>>75541737
They've been hit the hardest by psych warfare that's been designed to invert people perception of reality.
How else would people be so deluded to think raises taxes helps them?
The less one is exposed to Marxist policies, the more likely one is going to believe they're good ideas. Marxism is dependent on naivety, Marx himself was a NEET.
>spooks
Doesn't that mean niggers? I thought socialists were the good goys
>>75542961
Which jobs do you think can't be automated?
Do you think those jobs will be plentiful?
>>75541860
100% this
>>75543284
They were telling me 'true' communism doesn't operate within a state or country. 'True' communism would require the entire WORLD to agree. I don't see how people can actually believe some of this shit. It's insanity in it's purest form.
>>75543253
>stating mostly non-manual labour
you are missing my point
>>75542982
i can live with that
>>75542961
i don't say that humans shouldn't work any longer in communsim, i simply say that hard manual labour and gathering resources can be done by robots, thus humans don't need to work 40 h/week anymore and still can maintain a functional society
>>75543182
this is probably from /leftypol/
>>75542183
This, I once btfo'd a commie faggot who said
"Inheritance is unfair, when you die, your possessions should go to the state who would redistribute them".
I asked him "Oh, then when your parents die, you will donate their house to the government to show the example, right?"
His answer :
"Uh...oh..no, it's pointless unless everyone has to do it..and uh...my parent's house isn't worth much anyway..."
>>75541860
Most retarded thing I've read all day
>>75543284
Just kill everyone who doesn't agree
t. Lenin
>>75541737
>spooks
>>75543253
yes, and you've missed mine. as long as people have to sacrifice their time (a scarce resource), there will never be a post-scarcity society.
>>75541737
Far-left ideology in our country is DEAD, commies in our country are NOT fighting for ideology, they are just private militias & gun-for-hire by politicians. They kill for their own benifit
>>75543385
The best deterrent for communism and socialism is to enact socialist and communist economic policies
>China killed a shitload of people with retarded economic policy
>now has market economy
>Vietnam now has market economy
Asia has already learned, South America is learning right now.
For some reason, Marxists believe that reading a couple books that nearly every person in the western world learns in high school justifies their immense narcissism that is inherent in every leftist.
They love revolution because they'd never be the ones on the front lines fighting for it. Labor is alien to them, they'd be card-carrying politburo members who would never even see a mine or factory.
"From each the best of his ability, to each his own need" really appeals to these faggots who have a lot of needs but no real ability.
>>75544079
They'd be purged anyway. Class war and all.
>>75542961
>Communism is designed around the concept of all or most HUMANS doing their share of work
Yes, and their share would be drastically reduced. Read Kropotkin.
>>75544079
>nearly every person in the western world learns in high school
This is a lie
Also your post is filled with straw men. Typical retarded ameriburger
>>75544224
>2 posts by this ID
>both posts are equivalent of No u, retard
I am now convinced, well done.
>>75544056
You did not enroll in semi public universities m8. They are pretty alive in those institutions
>>75541860
>lefties have never had to work a single day of their lives
what? what kind of lefties are we talking about?
obviously any socialist/communist idolizes socialism/communism but so do capitalists, tbf capitalists on /pol/ are very delusional, and if by lefties you mean people who live in socialist/communist countries and support the system, how have those people never had to work in their lives??
>>75541860
fpbp
>>75543838
>Flag
AHAHAHAH
>>75544224
If you didn't learn about fucking Marx of all people in high school, what the fuck are they teaching you? Jihad defense tactics? Hell of a lot of good that's doing you wafflebro
>>75544068
Hahaha let's burn the world to prevent our children doing it, that's totally sense isn't it!
No
The best deterrent is unbiased education.
>>75544681
>the world
Just the 3rd world, mate
>>75541737
LMAOOO
some ideological artworks are seriously so retarded, it's amazing
>>75544671
We do learn about Marx
We just don't, as you do aswell, read his works
And since your educational system is beyond shit you therefor have no idea of communsim and think of Stalin instead
>>75541737
Some days I wish for a communist revolution. Just to laugh as the people who supported communism the most are the second ones executed for being intellectuals.
Unfortunately I would be among the first executed for being an officer in the military.
>>75545010
i.e. stalinism, garbage in garbage out i say
>>75542470
>Communism will be successful when no one does manual labor
>Means of production belongs to robots
>Robots owned by the state will not compete with robots owned by the private sector
>The state will implement laws banning private sector production
Delusional.
>>75544441
U.P. faggots are just SJW protesters(militante) who loves to disagree with everyone to feel better about themselves, they think just because they enroll in state universities they're smart when in fact they're just mediocre level minded idiots whose tuition is payed for by the people's taxes. What really pisses me off is that people automatically think protesters/militantes from UP, UPLB & other public &/or state universities are smart, when they're just children of farmers spoiled by the society
>>75544779
Then why aren't people learning from our hamster Venezuela? Where the fuck is the media coverage? There are people hunting rats and engaging in cannibalism, for fucks sake.
>>75545221
actually, I saw more richfags and middle class in state unis than of poor classes. Some even have cars. I wonder why...
>>75543838
He's absolutely right, though. Most people who claim to be communists are students fucks or jobless bums
>>75545476
Rich & middle class people pay to get into state unis, poorfags get into state unis through scholarship or apply as working students
i just want to point out that this seems to happen at universities that have a specific demographic. usually mostly 18-24 year olds. i went to a university that was very diverse as it was essentially a high tier community college and most people understood that they were there to get a degree and better themselves not play identity politics and change the world.
>>75545010
If you don't read his books in your classes why does that make your education system any better of an authority on Marxism than ours?
Wouldn't thinking of Stalin be a good thing anyway? Lenin pushed for someone more cuddly, died, and Stalin completely revitalized and industrialized a Russian economy that was devastated by the war.
>>75545681
no rly, I rly saw students with cars on semi-state unis like UP. They seem to came from wealthy/ powerful families
>>75545709
>Stalin revitalized and industrialized Russian Economy
Fuckin wew lad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eoq60p5hCIw&feature=youtu.be&t=41
>>75542470
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d7SaO0JAHk
>>75542183
Great post.
I'm sure that sounds sarcastic, but I'm being sincere.
>>75545758
UP is not exclusive to poor people, anyone can enroll, that includes rich & middle class. But they have a large number of scholars from poor families, a lot of these scholars are the ones who are leftists
>>75545758
Just a heads up, this will be lost on Americans. Cars are pretty much required to do anything here. Not needing to purchase a car is actually a sign of wealth, it means you live within walking distance of where you work or live in a major metropolitan city(a place with high cost of living).
>>75546302
nah we just have abundant modes of transportation services that's why
>>75546302
In America the students who drive Infinitis and Audis to their worthless public universities are the same exact ones moaning and bitching about student debt.
>>75546478
I loved when people would complain to me about that shit. I took gender studies 101 my last semester before graduating with my CS degree and some 19 year old twat was always minging on about debt and whatnot. I find out she drives a brand new Mustang, meanwhile I'm still rolling around in my 1989 Mercedez that broke down at least twice a month. My rage. I don't even know how she got into the college.
>Have to do group project
>She insists we should make every slide have a different background
>no.jpg
>Insists that we use as many graphics and scrolling text and whatnot
>no.jpg
>Insists we use COMIC FUCKING SANS as the text font
>thiscan'tbereallife.jpg
That whole class was a shitshow, good thing I saved it for last or I may have just quit college all together.
>>75541737
90% of American "leftists" aren't even close to communism or socialism.
>>75541860
Nice meme.
>>75542646
That's a pragmatic question involved with too many as-of-now-unknown variables.
>>75543090
Nice ebin meme
>>75542183
Sounds like a meme. Most communists I know say that most manual labor will be automated.
>>75547165
Most self-identifying American "Communist" care about a total of 3 political issues and follow identity politics and never think for themselves because the MSM never tells lies.
>>75547578
I know a self identifying "socialist" and his concerns boil down to gay rights, anti-religion and muh bennies
>>75544079
>They love revolution because they'd never be on the front lines fighting for it.
Said by a keyboard warrior who's too cowardly to be an actual activist so he supports brutal dictatorships that respond with guns and not arguments.
>Labor is alien to them, they'd be card-carrying politburo members who would never even see a mine or factory.
Spoken like a delusional schmuck. Far-left movements have, and have always had, their basis in the working classes.
>>75545360
There's media coverage of it all over. It's also conveniently used as a way to strawman Bernie and his supporters.
Meanwhile, the USA is supporting much, much, much worse regimes that are hardly ever mentioned.
>>75541737
I wish the younger leftists didn't give us all a bad name.
Anyone with a brain should realize that communism doesn't work with our basic human instincts. People are greedy and self-centered.
>>75547943
>right wing
>supporting brutal dictatorships
Pretty sure all the brutal dictatorships of the 20th century were leftist, mate. National-Socialism, the Soviet Union, Communist China, North Korea...
>>75547943
>Far-left movements have, and have always had, their basis in the working classes.
Modern far-left movements are based in the privileged middle classes, who speak for the "unenlightened" lower classes who tend to be significantly more right wing
>>75548102
really the closest thing to a right wing dictatorship we've had was Chile and maybe Argentina
>>75547943
Almost every political movement has the working classes at their heart. How else would they get votes?
Improving workers conditions leads to outsourcing and downsizing. Regulations kill new competition. Best progress has been made in capitalist countries.
>>75548056
If you only look for the strawmen against Sanders and the insults against his supporters, you will find plenty. But you could also take a book and learn about the pros and cons of a minimum wage, loans, state-funded education and much more.
>>75541737
This is so obviously from /leftypol/, that fucking misuse of the spook meme and claiming that communism isn't an ideology
>>75547803
>anti-religion
I bet he is just anti-Christianity and welcomes the third world mudlsimes that are all national conservatives who are dying to destroy the left's "progressive" achievements. For example, the mudslimes will undo all progress made for feminism, homosexuals, openness of sexual freedom, religious freedoms and civil rights for non-majority ethnic groups. I bet there is a 60% chance your socialist acquaintance will convert to Islam and will follow whatever herd mentality that is popular for that season among the idiots that don't think for themselves.
>>75548102
Are you blind? Off the top of my head, I can list several brutal right wing dictatorships.
There was Chile, Paraguay, Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia, Uruguay, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, Cuba, Nicaragua, Pakistan/Bangladesh, Indonesia, South Vietnam, pre-reform South Korea, the Philippines, Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Iran, South Africa, the Congo, Spain, Portugal, Greece, and several others I can't recall. There were a few other authoritarian leftist or fascist regimes supported by the West as well, including Ceausescu's Romania and the Khmer Rouge.
>>75543693
They think human beings are ants.
They're retards.
Nice eco-chamber faggots
>Let me keep spewing strawmans, it will be real eventualy.
>>75550419
>picture with no source
Fuck off huehue with your facebook tier bullshit
>>75550419
>guns made illegal is literally every socialist country
>>75550582
>Google is hard guys, i swear
>>75550660
Marxism-leninism and Maoism =/= Marx thoughts
>>75550754
>It's okay this guys teachings says do this but everyone that did it also banned guns
>>75549344
I somehow really fucking doubt you knew all of those off the top of your head.
>>75544079
>pinochet
>>75543090
You're delusional.
>>75550855
>Kill socialism in the first years of revolution
>Call it socialist and democratic
>Somehow people only remember about the socialist part
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06-XcAiswY4
>>75544079
>From each the best of his ability, to each his own need
about the most terrifying slogan out there. I don't understand how people ever come to the conclusion that this is something positive. it literally promises you will be overworked to the maximum extent possible ("the best of his ability"), and in exchange for this you'll be provided with the bare minimum, i.e. only what you absolutely "need". This is not an artifact of the English translation because it does not sound better in any one of the three other languages I can speak.
>>75551151
wut
Your analises fits better in today's society
>>75551021
>Obviously biased anti-Pinochet image with zero citations or proof to back up the claims.
You really showed him, didn't you.
>>75542183
>whether they'll give up all their possessions when the revolution comes
I know you may not know, but let me tell you, they do not ask.
>>75541737
A demonologist transcended mongolist professor and Geist activist was flying a plane, known CIA.
"Before the flight begins, you must get on your knees and worship the end of history and accept that Absolute Idealism is the most highly-evolved sophism to make us feel good about ourselves the continent has ever known, even greater than self-serving petit-bourgeois protestant theology right after I file this flight plan with the Agency!"
At this moment an uncaring if he was brave because being judged by illusionary social standards was of no importance to him, egoist, unique girl's school teacher who had smoked more than 15000 cigars in Hippel's winebar and understood the spookiness of all ideology and supported whatever he felt like stood up and held up "Der Einzige und sein Eigentum".
"You're a big guy."
The arrogant Bane smirked synthetically and smugly replied "Only in relation to you, I'm not big at all, decadent egoist, its the stern, reluctant working of reason towards the full realization of itself in perfect freedom which makes the fire rise!"
"It's been a few years (time is nothing) since I, Bane, created it. if it was not mine, and idealism, as you say, is not a spook...for if I pulled off the mask of reason and embraced insanity, you'd know that if I removed your mask it would be extremely painful."
CIA was visibly shaken, and dropped his copy of Plato's dialogues.
The mercenaries applauded and all started milk shops that day and accepted their Self-Enjoyment as the end of philosophy. An eagle named "Union of Egoists" flew into the room and perched atop the copy of "Stirner's Critics" and shed a beer on the hardcover. "Ich hab' Mein Sach' auf Nichts gestell" was said several times, and Renzo Novatore himself showed up and demonstrated how hand grenades are nothing but a means of killing police officers.
CIA lost his flight plan and the plane was crashed with no survivors that very day, his flight plan was disregarded for all eternity.
Marx was a faggot who never worked
Classical socialists were right in fighting for worker's rights. But Communism is another totally different(and stupid thing)
>>75541860
This, you based rotated hungarian flag
>>75541737
>why the fuck are lefties so delusional????
Because, they are told that College is the only way one can expand their education. They are told Education is memorization, not the ability to educate one's own self. They then are told false definitions (Communism means community, Socialism is socially coming together.) Once they have proven that they accept these they are given an A+ and then told their opinions and talking points.
That is why when you debate a Liberal social commie, they all have predictable phrases and words they cling to, they have the same talking points, and when you go outside their experience they explode into a hysteria of intolerance and start calling their local hug box fellows for back up.
At the end of the day, the left has been enslaved and is attempting to enslave us all.
>>75548131
>middle classes
>>75547165
Liberalism is a corrosive disease that dissolves the actual left. It's funny that alt right retards here call anything one degree left of centrism "liberalism" though.
>>75551403
A quick google search would imply that that meme pic is misleading.
Anyone who wants to put on a green uniform with a red star needs to consider these facts about your political god Karl Marx:
>never worked a single day in his life
>literally kept alive by his rich **Capitalist** friend Friedrich Engles, who loathed himself for being wealthy
>Wrote the Communist Manifesto as a quick draft speech for a Communist rally in London in his mid 20s
>Spent the rest of his life trying to justify his theories in Das Kapital, writing 3 separate novels
>The first introduces the labor theory of value (the value of a commodity is derived from the past human labor put into the good, NOT the market value of the good as determined by supply and demand relationships)
>Essentially rejected all modern economic thought with this assertion
>The second volume continues laying out how the revolution will happen, but it never once considers what the fuck anyone will do AFTER the revolution
>1000s of pages long, and nothing talks about what government institutions will be implemented, HOW wealth will be redistrbuted, WHO will do it, WHO will be the politburo and WHO are the serfs- I mean proletariat
>The third volume of Das Kapital, written in Marx's old age, is an obsessive attempt to refute the INTENSE criticism of the labor theory of value, all but rejected by the turn of the century in favor of the market value of wealth
>He writes like a maniac trying to justify himself, but ultimately dies of old age before he can finish it
>He spent 60+ years trying to develop a complete theory of Communism, but had to spend the final decades trying to justify the fundamental foundation of communism working: accepting the labor theory of value, which is fucking retarded
>Died the same way he lived: a semi-jewish NEET who never worked a day of his life (his father renounced Judaism and raised Marx a protestant, but his relatives were all Jewish and he has family ties to the Rothschilds) and couldn't his life's work despite spending over 60 years on it
Not saying I believe in your modified analogy here, but it would make more sense to have communism lifting up the prol to socialism. Basic shit.
>>75551403
I did not know about this Greenspan quote and I find it disturbing. But my interpretation does fit the times of the Soviet bloc too, not just our time.
>>75553690
So much bullshit it's actually amazing, if you ever read Marx das Kapital and not only memes on the internet you would know that das kapital was a critique of capitalism and he never talks about communism in it.
>Labor theory
>Refuted
Choose one
>The first introduces the labor theory of value (the value of a commodity is derived from the past human labor put into the good, NOT the market value of the good as determined by supply and demand relationships)
Socialy necessary labor time to be correct, and he didn't deny supply and demand relationships, one more hint that your never read his books.
>He writes like a maniac trying to justify himself, but ultimately dies of old age before he can finish it
He never try justify himself to nobody, the plan was to write a complete analises andcritique of capitalism.
>Died the same way he lived: a semi-jewish NEET who never worked a day of his life (his father renounced Judaism and raised Marx a protestant, but his relatives were all Jewish and he has family ties to the Rothschilds) and couldn't his life's work despite spending over 60 years on it
Ad-hominen
>>75541860
I worked all my life. Even did little jobs as picking grapes in the summer when I was 16.
I worked as a snow-shoveler. I have tutored in English/German/Math. Ive worked in internships, both coffee bringing and even field work as a geologic mapper.
Ive worked in 3 different countries, 2 different continents. Currently working in education, while pursuing my 2nd degree in STEM.
I am a liberal at heart and always will be. I believe in the innate ability of humans to be good. Some genetic predisposition and environmental upbringing can create a "bad apple" for life, with 0 chance for rehabilitation, but thats rare.
I know history more than 99% if pollacks, since I actually am very educated (private school) and communism simply doesnt work and never will because there isnt "enough". Humans always seize power to better themselves. The few idealists get casually take care of in the beginning, as seen in Cuba and Russia.
Socialism as an economical system doesnt work, because it works under the false assumption that all countries are similar and therefore have the same interests (Venezuela).
As to people who idolize "communism", they are usually young men, who believe that men and women should be above material possessions, due to ruthless capitalism and competitive human nature.
Lastly Ill add that democratic socialism works in the context of a moderate government with relatively little government interference in the industry, except with regulations and agencies controlling for environment and workers.
>>75542646
The answer is simple you fucking retard.
Communism = Paradise
It wouldn't need to be enforced.
Keep LARPing about how capitalism is good goys
>>75541737
Marxism = literally mysticism
>>75555101
>Blair
>an-com
Well baited.
>>75541737
children love free stuff
>>75541737
your image is right you know..
>>75554895
>Venezuela
>Socialist
No, just socdems morons trying to play with market prices to get rich withou producing anything, relying on oil and fucking up in the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06-XcAiswY4
Also
Fucking liberals
Kill yourself my man
>>75555773
>Blair
LMAO
>>75555924
Brazilian intellectuals
>>75541737
how is communism and the very idea of class not a spook
>>75544079
Is Marxism taught as part of compulsory education in the states?
>>75550419
eco?
ecological chamber?
>>75555987
But he was an An-com
"As far as my purely personal preferences went I would have liked to join the Anarchists." George Orwell - Homage to Catalonia page 116
"The Anarchists were still in virtual control of Catalonia and the revolution was still in full swing. To anyone who had been there since the beginning it probably seemed even in December or January that the revolutionary period was ending; but when one came straight from England the aspect of Barcelona was something startling and overwhelming. It was the first time that I had ever been in a town where the working class was in the saddle." ibid page 4
>>75543693
>'True' communism would require the entire WORLD to agree.
They are right,though in a bad way.If you make a place shit,people will flee to places that aren't shit.If you make everywhere shit,people will have nowhere to run to.
>>75556118
>>75541737
because they don't realize the Soviet Union would arrest people if they didn't work for 2 months
>>75556194
So among many competing groups he found the anarchists to be the one which he could most identify with. This would mean only by a stretch that he was ACTUALLY an anarchist. He followed the anarchists around and trusted his life to them in order to continue his war reporting, but who else would he have followed—the Francoists?
Elsewhere in the book he relayed the buffoonish nature of the anarchists and their bad administration of the regions they controlled.
>>75554646
Let's focus on the labor theory of value. How do you value something solely on the historical amount of human labor that went into it? If it takes a farmer several months to produce a field of wheat, but far less time to make a pair of Addidas Sneakers, does that mean that wheat should be far more expensive than brand new Addidas shoes, despite the consumer demand for Addidas being very high? How can one reject the notion of pricing items based on market demand?
>>75556518
"Waiters and shop-walkers looked you in the face and treated you as an equal. Servile and even ceremonial forms of speech had temporarily disappeared. Nobody said 'Senor' or 'Don' or even 'Usted'; everyone called everyone else 'Comrade' and 'Thou,' and said 'Salud!' instead of 'Buenas Dias.' Tipping had been forbidden by law since the time of Primo de Rivera; almost my first experience was receiving a lecture from a hotel manager for trying to tip a lift-boy. There were no private motor cars, they had all been commandeered, and alll the trams and taxis and much of the other transport were painted red and black. The revolutionary posters were everywhere, flaming from the walls in clean reds and blues that made the few remaining advertisements look like daubs of mud. Down the Ramblas, the wide central artery of the town where crowds of people streamed constantly to and fro, the loud-speakers were bellowing revolutionary songs all day and far into the night." ibid page 5
"Yet so far as one could judge the people were contented and hopeful. There was no unemployment, and the price of living was still extremely low; you saw very few conspicuously destitute people, and no beggars except the gypsies. Above all, there was a belief in the revolution and the future, a feeling of having suddenly emerged into an era of equality and freedom. Human beings were trying to behave as human beings and not as cogs in the capitalist machine. In the barbers' shops were Anarchist notices (the barbers were mostly Anarchists) solemnly explaining that barbers were no longer slaves. In the streets were coloured posters appealing to prostitutes to stop being prostitutes." ibid page 6
>>75556611
See:
>>75555193
Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-AUGZxPalQ
>pol
>full of neets
>accusing leftists of not working
Hahahahahha
>>75556611
Okay so I can see you have a PDF open of the book and will just cut-and-paste any unrelated passage in order to "prove" your point. How about read the book, and you will find his criticisms of your shit-tier ideology? I can also point to critical passages of socialism in Keep The Aspidistra flying or his other novels.
The passage you posted should be contrasted to the social changes which took place later on when bourgeois norms took prevalence again and the old ways became fashionable again. It wasn't an endorsement at all of the socialist or anarchist system.
He was a lefty but that didn't automatically make him an asinine parlor socialist.
>>75556981
P
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>>75547943
>Far-left movements have, and have always had, their basis in the working classes.
But that's wrong, it were always middle class pricks and disenfranchised elites. The plebs are cannon fodder and paid to shill in the streets.
>>75556592
As i said he didn't reject suplly and deman
And it's socially necessary labor time, not your private labor time time. eg let's say the socially necessary labor time to produce wheat is 2 months, if i alone take 3 months to produce it and try to sell it on the market for profit, for more than the necessarie labor time, no one would buy it, and other guy that uses machines to improve efficiency would take less than the SNLT and then he would outsell every body because he could make a profit selling for less than the SNLT, but in the end when everybody starts to uses machines the SNLT itself would fall reducing the profits and thus the constant search for efficiency
>>75541737
>Quoting Plato
>Not Aristocracy
wew lad
>>75557834
To add:
Search for efficieny/lower wages with disregard to works
>>75541737
I'm getting pretty fucking tired of getting turned down for jobs, though.
>>75557834
>>75557987
Then we find ourselves at the debate between necessary labor outputs and marginal utility.
All these people in this thread existing in a state of false conciousness. Good goys, keep supporting that ideological state apparatus!
>>75541737
And then when they get out of the cave they come back and kill everyone anyways.
>>75558837
Marginal utility belives that the only thing that creates value are the market exchanges and escarcity but it fails in relate it to production
https://youtu.be/40GxUzGwRxI?list=PL3F695D99C91FC6F7&t=238
>>75549344
There was a thing called the Cold War, you know? What was America supposed to do, not trade with the entire hemisphere.
Carter did put an arms embargo on South America, and some countries like Peru just shrugged and turned to buying MIGs from the Soviet Union.
Meanwhile, communism, through DIRECT Soviet control over Eastern Europe, Afghanistan, and support to China, African and SEA regimes, led to the deaths of 180 million people worldwide.
But you don't see anybody crying over that nowadays.
Leftists are naive hypocrites at best, dangerous and opportunistic liars at worst.
>>75545758
>UP
you do know that's just one big indoctrination camp and the reason why they're so easy to lure into communism is because they're either richfags who got in or poor people who hope that their lives would get better if everybody else has it worse.
there's a reason why nobody takes them seriously and why they never make it outside the country
>tfw millennials have already accepted the idea of socialism and will teach their kids to love it
Its already over they won.
>>75555101
Ayn Rand is not capitalism.
Capitalism requires a State to enforce property rights and the Rule of Law, and Rands was against the State in all its forms.
Want Capitalism?
Try John Stuart Mill, Adam Smith, Sir Thomas More, Tocqueville.
>>75555101
>Blair
>A fucking picture of orwell
What in the actual fuck
>>75560246
Did i just post that
>>75560180
"Wherever there is great property there is great inequality. For one very rich man there must be at least five hundred poor, and the affluence of the few supposes the indigence of the many. The affluence of the rich excites the indignation of the poor, who are often both driven by want, and prompted by envy, to invade his possessions. It is only under the shelter of the civil magistrate that the owner of that valuable property, which is acquired by the labour of many years, or perhaps of many successive generations, can sleep a single night in security. He is at all times surrounded by unknown enemies, whom, though he never provoked, he can never appease, and from whose injustice he can be protected only by the powerful arm of the civil magistrate continually held up to chastise it. The acquisition of valuable and extensive property, therefore, necessarily requires the establishment of civil government. Where there is no property, or at least none that exceeds the value of two or three days' labour, civil government is not so necessary."
-Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations
>>75560296
I've played yourself
>>75541860
>le work for my stuff meme
Fucking off capitalist shill. Not everything in life is done or created for profit
>>75560407
Yes, Adam Smith thinks both that Capitalism was shit and that it was nevertheless the best system possible.
Maybe you should read it in depth rather than cut and paste what you want.
The realism of aggregate self-interest ultimately results in the common good.
>>75545221
>MILF
>BIFF
>>75560772
You've literaly talked like Ayn Rand.
>>75544823
>who will be america's america
China desu senpai
>>75555101
What the fuck.
>>75560929
Next time try reading the entire work of an author rather than haphazard quotes so you don't look like an idiot.
>>75560929
>Brazil
>leftwing Indoctrination
>butthuring over capitalism
Nihil novi sub sole.
>>75541860
>every middle class leftie student summed up in one post
fpbp
>>75561842
Both talk about self interest, but don't recognize, like Stirner did, that capitalism in the end is against it.
>>75541737
>Comunism
>Not based on spooks
Those retards seem to hace never read Stirner
>>75543253
Robots will build other robots. There is no need for man.
>>75542113
Underrated
>>75562385
Holy shit is that Sam Hyde?
>>75562385
>>75562416
>>75562385
Communism=free association of egoist that cooperate together for self interest
whats the problem?
>>75562759
That definition is so loose it could be used for any political system, including capitalism.
>>75562992
No, because private property go against it.
>>75563146
Says you. The evidence says otherwise.
>>75563559
>Ghana had no recessions
CAPITALISM BTFO
>>75541737
>spooks
>>75563559
>>75563619
>Ghana
>Communist
Choose only one pls
>>75562759
>Communism=free association of egoist that cooperate together for self interest
>communists actually believe this
>>75564062
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghana#Operation_Cold_Chop_and_aftermath
You can tell from the flag alone they are communist
>>75564222
Communism = Classless and Stateless society
But guess the US propaganda worked very well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06-XcAiswY4
>>75564417
>Communism = Classless and Stateless society
So literally impossible then?
>>75551059
The subjective theory of value trashes the labour theory of value,in so many ways that is not even funny. No one takes Marx ideas seriously nowadays,his philosophy is full of anacronism,that were proven wrong in his life time
>>75543838
>t. Socialist brainwashed Walloon
>>75562759
Kek. Fucking retard hue. An egoist union is based upon a contract that can be broken and changed. Comunism is fixed upon the idea(a spook) that the means of production had to be owned by workers,despite the fact that sundicalism could go against the persons interest. I hate this lefty pol leftists that havent even bother to open the unique and its own.
>>75564569
Nice arguments
And what is trashed today is the subjective theory of value not marx labor theory of value
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OqFKWfzh98&list=PL3F695D99C91FC6F7&index=16
>No one takes Marx ideas seriously nowadays
Who is Richard Wolff? who is David Harvey?
>>75564498
shush, that one always makes the lefties cry
>>75564948
>Who is Richard Wolff? who is David Harvey?
Academics in liberal institutions where their beliefs are constantly reinforced and never challenged?
>>75541737
Didn't Plato create this story to promote his dictatorship by philosophers idea of statehood?
I don't think he'd be a socialist.
>>75541860
FPBP
>>75564948
the fact that you think you can objectively quantify value to any meaningful capacity is laughable in this day and age
marx is obsolete. get over it
>>75564940
If it goes against the worker(i don't see the case when it would happen) he can simply leave, and associate with other persons but without the risk of dying of hunger as it's the case in capitalism.
>>75565090
Not an argument
>>75565651
>Not an argument
Nice rebuttal, you captain of the debate team in the favelas?
>>75542470
I guarantee you that globalists would gladly create an "Elysium" type future if they could. Automation will only succeed in displacing able and intelligent humans from the workforce, leaving only peasants and serfs to beg for food/ money outside the machine-controlled factories.
The handful of jobs that they "create" out of goodwill" for their fellow man will be as brutal as those that existed during the industrial revolution or USSR gulags. You will be expendable and likely maimed/killed just so you can get enough money to feed 3/4 of your family for the day. Non-wealthy humans will become what horses are today.
Also you can forget about a "living wage". That is a pipe dream created by fedora leftists during their first college liberal arts class. Nobody in power will ever give out that much free money to everyone for nothing just so they can survive. Because honestly if you were in their shoes you wouldn't. I guarantee it.
Call bullshit on this all you want but I've seen plenty of situations in my life turn out to be how I've predicted them. Gut feeling. Honestly family and friends come to me for my rationality and common sense on the shape of things to come. They even apologize when they ignore what I have to say.
This is a a good video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU
>>75551403
In the Netherlands there is a rise of short term contracts, unreliable self employed rules and agency work.
Creating insecurity
>>75565628
Value is imaterial but objectified hence the term expression invisible hand of market and commodity fetishism.
Also
Arguments, whre they are?
>>75564948
That video is trash. Try to explain this to me. If all labour creates an added value to the product,how can the same product create losses? Should the workers take all the losses for the failed product (which would mean that most people would have negative incomes by the way)?
How can a 100 years old car have more value than a 10 years old car if the latter required acumulated historical labour and more capital to produce?
Marx theory of value is obsolete.
>>75565651
>but without the risk of dying of hunger
Kek,this is so dumb that os not even funny. Communism assumes that no private property is something good (attributes a value to an idea ,what is called a spook). And as this value is universal,a proletarian dictatorship is objectively good for the workers,which again has been proven to be wrong. Marx was not against people starving or the acumulation of wealth btw. He only cared about the ownership of the means of production,which wpuld mean that unions would run the economy,which can go against ones own interest,and as you couldnt break this monopoly in comunism,it is objectively not an egoist union.
>>75565950
>If all labour creates an added value to the product,how can the same product create losses?
Beacause if the socally necessary labor time is 10h and my private labor time is 20h i can't sell my product expecting to profit.
>How can a 100 years old car have more value than a 10 years old car if the latter required acumulated historical labour and more capital to produce?
The socially necessary labor time back then was greater than it its today, and efficiency was lower. Machines don't trasfer the historical labor all together and not at all if their is not a worker operating then.
>>75566374
Stirner himself was an anarchist i don't know were your are trying to get?
>>75543205
Look at how well that's working for China. Millions of people have been rendered obsolete, thanks to automation. What will be done with them? How can they reap the rewards, if they aren't able to put in the work?
>>75543693
True communism is 'libertarian communism' which falls apart as soon as someone says they own or even want to own something, which will be immediately due to human sentiment.
>>75566848
>Beacause if the socally necessary labor time is 10h and my private labor time is 20h i can't sell my product expecting to profit.
Didnt understand this,but if If you siad what I think this is just dumb. I can spend 10 hours mixing gold and iron,and I would have only created loses in the market place,as mixed gold is less valuable to most people
> The socially necessary labor time back then was greater than it its today, and efficiency was lower. Machines don't trasfer the historical labor all together and not at all if their is not a worker operating then.
Dodnt mean that. Curently in 2016 an old rusty car from 100 years ago is more valuable than a 10 years old toyota,how can the labour theory of value explain this,if the old car has less acumulated labour than the newer one?
> Stirner himself was an anarchist i don't know were your are trying to get?
Individualist anarchist. Ancom would be a fucking joke to him. If you really believed that Stirner was a commie you should just kill yourself
>>75542961
> complex jobs requiring intellegence
> posting on /pol/
> muslim britbong
yeah your jobs are going to be automated.
>>75565759
It's odd that the commercial for the YT vid was for Volkswagen's adaptive cruise control.
Is it a sign?
I want to stop a commie's head against the pavement
>>75551403
>>75553669
>>75553924
fucking dumbass chomsky. Greenspan's actual statement:
>The performance of the U.S. economy over the past year has been quite favorable. … Continued low levels of inflation and inflation expectations have been a key support for healthy economic performance. … Atypical restraint on compensation increases has been evident for a few years now, and appears to be mainly the consequence of greater worker insecurity. The willingness of workers in recent years to trade off smaller increases in wages for greater job security seems to be reasonably well documented. The unanswered question is why this insecurity persisted even as the labor market, by all objective measures, tightened considerably
>>75568086
Tailored advertisements based upon content. I wouldn't trust any programming created by VW though.
>>75567483
>Didnt understand this,but if If you siad what I think this is just dumb. I can spend 10 hours mixing gold and iron...
Marx said that to something have exchange value it needs to be socially necessary, gold mixed with iron don't have any value for society(from what i know).
>Dodnt mean that. Curently in 2016 an old rusty car from 100 years ago is more valuable than a 10 years old toyota,how can the...
Suplly and demand.
>Individualist anarchist. Ancom would be a fucking...
Anarchism in it's pure sense is communism
a society without hierarchy and without state
>>75559871
Not to mention the yanks dropped the vast bulk of those dictatorships the second it became politically viable. The only exceptions being the Gulf Arabs, for obvious reasons.
>>75568747
>Marx said that to something have exchange value it needs to be socially necessary, gold mixed with iron don't have any value for society(from what i know).
But then,if a person pays other to mix gold with iron it isnt an alienation right? As it doesnt report any profits? Then how is this different for other kinds of labour?
> Suplly and demand.
Which is based on subjective values
> Anarchism in it's pure sense is communism
No. Communism has a hieratchy btw,let it be unions (which all have a hierarchy) or intelectuals.
>>75570016
>But then,if a person pays other to mix gold with iron it isnt an alienation right? As it doesnt report any profits? Then how is this different for other kinds of labour?
If you're paying people to lose money your not a capitalist, the cicle of capitalism is Money -Commodity - Money+surplus value, but in your example the cicle wouldn't realise itself because no one would buy your shit.
>Which is based on subjective values
No, suply and demand are market signals that existed even before capitalism in it's modern form, but both can be traced back to the production and labor process and not to the market it self.
> No. Communism has a hieratchy btw,let it be unions (which all have a hierarchy) or intelectuals.
Unions and syindicates are form of organizations not hierarchies, and in a anarchist society you learn from intelectuals from your self interest, because you recognise that he knows more than you do.
