So wait -
Catholics actually believe that watching porn and masturbating is a sin?
And if you don't repent of it you're going to hell?
I mean, I knew they had some weird stuff about not having sex with someone you love unless go through an elaborate ceremony that no circumstance, no matter how terrible, could change, but masturbation? Watching a half an hour of porn every couple of weeks will send me to *hell*?? Who could possibly think that?
>>75297556
This is why I'm not "catholic"
I believe in God but if a God exist he would want me to masturbate because it's just what I do
>>75297784
Yes because religion should cater to our personal preferences, not tradition.
>>75297888
Tradition is just some old dead people's personal preferences
>>75297888
Why would God put us on this Earth to not enjoy ourselves
That's stupid
Yes, now that you know this if you willingly masturbate then you have committed adultery and broken your personal covenenant with God.
If you have not been baptised, then visit your local catholic priest and ask him to, and help your confirmation into the church. Do this and you will be rewarded umpteen times in heaven what you would have received for giving into your bestial needs
>>75297888
you know the Christian tradition isn't what Catholicism is now right? Read about the Reformation sometime
religious people are fucking dumb
/discussion
>>75297556
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
>>75297990
Why did they come about
>>75297999
>God should feel the same way about things as I do
>>75297999
We are on earth because Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit. They like you thought hedonism was the way the life and truth, when in fact Jesus, fully God and fully man, is
>>75297556
well, your title for the pic headed off my first statement, but i guess i fail to understand the purpose of the post in general.
is it that Catholicism has no truly strange teachings? or, maybe that Mormonism is no different than Catholicism in these regards?
>>75297888
I think there's a middle ground here. I mean, masturbation is a pretty storied tradition in human history. Only the most obnoxiously petty reading of the word "adultery" could possibly lend itself to a pro-tradition argument for not masturbating.
>>75298024
Oh look.
>>75298117
The thing with both of these Catholics is that neither actually presents an argument why Catholicism is right about this. They just say "the Church says so, so it is so." Which is not a great tactic to convince unbelievers.
>>75298117
everyone on 4chan should just cut off their dicks, it's not like they're of any benefit or any of us will ever marry, and it's not worth the risk
>>75298075
Catholicism is the closest of all forms of Christianity to mediveal Christendom, which was a continuation of the persecuted church. Thus making Catholicism the closest to the truth
>>75298078
>/thread-ing your own post
>>75298178
The point is that I am utterly baffled by this being something the Catholic church even deigns worthy of comment, much less labels a sin, and I'm interested either in proof that this is actually something Catholics believe in, or an argument on why it isn't as overwhelmingly ludicrous as I think.
>>75297556
>Not knowing the difference between Mortal and Venial Sins
>Being this uneducated
>mfw the only reason you are not Catholic is because of your lack of education...
>Read Catechism
>>75298187
No need to be a nihilist, but then as a gentleman of course I know I will end life in the embrace of my spouse
>>75298186
>I think there's a middle ground here. I mean, masturbation is a pretty storied tradition in human history. Only the most obnoxiously petty reading of the word "adultery" could possibly lend itself to a pro-tradition argument for not masturbating.
usually the Biblical example that is set forth as being an anti-masturbation admonition (which it isn't; he was supposed to do something specific) is the story of Onan in Genesis.
>>75297556
Remember! You need to follow natural law at all times even though it's clearly retarded and unfounded!
>>75297888
Dont bother arguing with pagan hedonists. They would rather live to enjoy their bodies than live to enjoy their minds. They are the barbarian that rapes and drinks because it gives them pleasure.
for thousands of years we have built a moral code which promotes independence, family, and culture, but these barbarians will have none of that because it is not rewarding enough for them. They are why we have laws, why we have to lock our doors.
Carry your weapon, the barbarians are at our door and in the spare room.
>>75298350
Masturbation is a mortal sin
And so is sex before marriage
>>75298186
Adultery is orgasm without the intent of creating life. Call me a prude but that is why masturbating, anal and oral are all sinful desires
Also according to Catholic teaching when the pope invokes the Holy Spirit he cannot be wrong, also that the pope and all his cardinals are aided by the Holy Spirit like the Holy Spirit descended upon the disciples when they were locked in the room
>>75298440
All it took was modern technology to undo all the traditions in a few centuries.
people don't realize how much of the root of degeneracy electricity and everything it spawned was.
>You have heard that it was said to them of old: Thou shalt not commit adultery. But I say to you, that whosoever shall look on a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart. And if thy right eye scandalize thee, pluck it out and cast it from thee. For it is expedient for thee that one of thy members should perish, rather than that thy whole body be cast into hell. And if thy right hand scandalize thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is expedient for thee that one of thy members should perish, rather than that thy whole body be cast into hell.
>>75298309
It's true, it is technically a sin. There actually are studies that show the more you masturbate, the more likely you are to unsatisfied with your life/depressed. Luckily "sexual" sins are the easiest to forgive (as long as you aren't doing them over and over again on purpose and treating confession as a get-out-of-jail-free card and depending on the act).
>>75298380
>this meme
>again
>>75298350
I know the difference, but if I masturbate because I like it and find nothing wrong in it, don't repent, and plan to continue doing so, its no longer a slight sin done under force of habit or thoughtlessness. It passes from Venial to Mortal.
Read your own damn Catechism, heretic.
>>75298270
fuck that shit bro, the very existence of the Pope is anathema to Jesus' teaching on how we are all equal spiritually. It's like communism, the Pope just happens to be more equal than others?
Fuck the Pope and fuck the Catholic hierarchy which was built to benefit themselves. I live according to Jesus' original principles as Martin Luther promoted the same as the Disciples.
>>75298605
Using the internet is partaking in witchcraft.
I'm 100% serious.
Think about it for a second, it's scrying demons. That's what using a computer really is
>>75298350
Mortal = Ten Commandments
Venial = post teaching
Thou shalt not commit adultery
Adultery is orgasm without procreation
Therefore masturbating is a sin
Source I wanted to be a catholic priest once
So drawing hentai or erotica is a sin? People get married for sex and benefits. Nothing sacred about marriage anymore.
>>75298501
"Circumstances that range from 'affective immaturity' to the 'force of acquired habit' to psychological factors such as anxiety and even to 'social factors' can mitigate a person's moral culpability if she/he performs the objectively disordered act of masturbation. In such a case, the 'Catechism' is insistent that masturbation would not be 'a serious mortal sin' because of any one of those extenuating reasons." - "Father Philip" at Catholic Q and A"
4chan and internet memes are idolatry and violate the 2nd commandment yet you never see anyone here talking about it.
>>75298548
>Adultery is orgasm without the intent of creating life
What was it I said earlier? "The most obnoxiously petty reading of the word adultery?" This is like SJWs rewriting the definition of racism to include being mean to black criminals.
>>75297888
>catholics
>traditions
>lmao guys pray at the left feet's big toenail of this saint you never heard about
>it'll solve your problems I swear don't forget to tip
>>75298381
Natural law is to fill the gaps between teachings, explain how it fails
Also Christian just means followers of Christ
>>75297556
No clue why anyone cares what catholics think.
>>75298309
well, i would never pretend to speak for the Catholic Church or explain its teachings (i am not Catholic), i *can* tell you that the Bible is (rather oddly) silent on the issue. Paul speaks of abusing one's body, but it is not explicit that he has masturbation in mind there.
personally, i think the only sinful aspect is the lust that usually accompanies it. that is undoubtably sinful.
the fact that just about everyone lusts from time to time is a reminder of our fallen, sinful state - and that reminder, in the heart of a spiritually healthy and wise Christian, serves no other purpose than to drive us to the Throne of Grace, and remind us that God knew we couldn't do it ourselves, so HE did it FOR us.
>>75298686
Human technology != witchcraft
Neither does the Holy See or the Catechism have anything against the general existence or usage of the internet.
>>75298846
>Not understanding Ausgustine when he talked about the Saints
>Being this much of a protie
>Luther pls go
>>75297556
>>75297999
It's pretty obvious why it's wrong, once you actually take the time to understand it. This lecture should help:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMlMofdjKrU
>>75298806
Wow cool one priest said that
Too bad the bible doesnt
Maybe you should let refugees in the ass like the Pope says if one person in the church can convince you anything
>>75298963
>implying I listen to the jewery of any church to begin with
Reading the book myself is more than sufficient. I don't need some shitgut who just wants my money to tell me what to think like you
>>75297556
Worldly overindulgence and hedonism is sinful.
It's not just Catholics who think that - it's most Christians. And rightly so.
>>75298677
As a Brit you should surely understand constitunal monarchy is the best form of government
This carries on into religious matters. If church teaching changed upon a majority then it would just be an echo chamber of hedonists
>>75298931
As a Christian, if you're spending your life trying to eradicate the sin in you, you're a victim of the devil robbing you of the joy of your salvation.
All sin was forgiven and forgotten at the cross.
Asking God today to forgive your sin is absurd. It's a done deal.
Tetelestai. Paid in full.
>>75298963
Most catholic saints are in hell.
>>75299064
They're more Pharisees than anything else. They're Pharisee Lite.
>>75298309
Fornication is a sin. Masturbation requires fantasizing about fornicating with a woman. Sin is not to be encouraged even by something as simple as thinking about it in a positive manner. Why? because it's a fucking sin.
You're basically acting mind-fucked that it's a sin to fantasise about chopping up six year old girls even if you don't actually do.
I should stop masturbating. My brain chemicals are out if balance.
>>75299072
Stop speaking for Christians, Deist. You're not one of us any more than a papist is.
>>75298816
Idolatry is the worship of an object as holy, Catholicism is about worshiping the holy made material, therefore statues are totes legit
>>75299246
Stuff it hellbound man. Nobody cares.
>>75299276
>It's not idol worship when we do it.
>>75299316
Heavenbound, you should say. If you cared one whit about the truth, that is.
Protties need to go. Pol is a Catholic Board
>>75298825
So ....
Marriage means different things in different circles, for Catholics it should be something used to help create children and last until death. To liberals it means the crazy cat lady finally gets laid
>>75297556
the bible has a ton of stuff in it that people no longer practice because its to hard.
Corinthians 11:6
For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head.
>>75297999
This countrys fucked
>>75299381
Because only you know the truth, obviously. Not much different than a cucklic there shorty.
Just how long does it take to make my balls drop further? All that porn I've seen makes my look like a joke.
>>75299051
You seem to not understand. The Church that sainted him. That he belonged to... COMPILED THE BIBLE... Why? Because they had the authority to do so...
>>75297556
You type like a woman making a troll post
>>75299390
Never has been, never will.
/pol/ confirmed as a christian board.
>>75299115
AMEN, Bro.
thoroughly agreed.
you got it right.
>>75299064
That is how heresy is started... Look at the 40k + denominations of Protestantism... Are they all right or are you the only one right?
>>75299493
You don't even know that the truth is a person.
That's how lost you are. You're highest and best identity is a weeabo.
>>75299072
>overindulgence
But that's not what the Church is talking about. Its talking about *any* masturbation.
>>75299211
You can masturbate while thinking about your spouse. You can masturbate while reading about married people having sex in fiction, rather than imagining yourself having sex. You can watch porn of married people, and get aroused at them, while removing any thought of yourself fornicating.
Do you see why this blanket ban is a little extreme?
>>75298846
>>75299246
How are Catholics not Christians, christians are those who are merely followers of Jesus. Even Arians who certainly believed he was not divine were his followers
>>75299599
Name 40,000 different things Christians believe.
Question: Could I sin my entire life but on my deathbed go "lol I repent" and have all my sins forgiven.
So women. They divorce, steal half your belongings, and go for the next man and repeat. Isn't that adultry or something? Using marriage as an excuse for sex and money?
>>75298902
>>75299115
>>75299139
>>75299192
>>75299246
>>75299343
>>75299381
>>75299551
>>75299636
>Protestants
>>75299693
They don't even call themselves Christians.
They don't know how to become Christians.
They have no idea what being born again in the Spirit means.
All they have is their membership in the Roman Catholic Church, and their faith that the church will save them.
No church ever saved anybody, and no church ever will.
>>75299139
If someone wants a miracle they first pray to God and then to the Blessed, if they were in hell they would have no power to help thee
>>75299636
Truth has a colloquial meaning which apologists use. Not that you'd know *ANYTHING* about proper Christian apologetics, given all you ever do is rant and rave in a dogmatic fashion about everything you ever talk about.
Nobody expects you to change though.
>>75299739
Christian, singular, which you would know if you knew how to samefag, cancer.
>>75299707
Literally everything from the persons of Christ to the Trinity, To salvation, To rites and sacraments. The denominations exist because everyone was allowed to draw the conclusions that they felt from their feels and not what was actually true...
>>75299820
Being helped by demons is not my cup of tea.
>>75299390
no.
no, it's not.
no one cares about your old men with expensive hats who claim to sit "in the place of" Christ (vicar de Christi)
>>75299435
I'm convinced Anabaptist (like the Amish) are the closest to the original teachings, at least here in America
>>75299708
If you were baptised yes
>>75299802
Oh so The Church that Christ established cannot save people? That is blasphemy..
>>75299838
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
The truth is a person. A person you have never met.
Why do women want a man from god like in the military?
>>75299854
Give me 40,000 different opinions on those things.
>>75299716
For Catholics marriage only ends when death occurs, that's why Henry 8th split from the church
>>75299739
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Brunne
>thought it was b8, maybe satirical
>reverse image search it
>get to tying that noose
>>75299675
>the Church
I'm not a cucklic, so I'm not about to speak for cucklics except where I'm confident I've got enough background to make a statement. Which is only that they regard most hedonistic shit as sinful. Which isn't wrong.
>>75299599
Oh, should I listen to the cuck pope who kisses muslim feet and tells us we should allow them to breed with our girls? Is that your solution?
I'll take my "heresy" over """real""" christianity, if those are my options
>>75299936
Boring false claim by papists is boring false claim by papists.
>>75299693
Where in my post did I say they weren't Christians.
I was saying that they don't uphold traditions like they claim they do
>>75300018
"heresy" to papists is merely not swallowing the pope's full load.
>>75299968
Here are 5k churches...
http://www.biblicalcatholic.com/DENOMS.php
>>75299854
>The denominations exist because everyone was allowed to
please explain what the opposite would have looked like.
i am curious.
>>75300018
If he did not invoke the Holy Spirit before he spoke then he spoke as Francis if he invoked the Holy Spirit he spoke as the Bridge Builder
>>75300119
Still waiting for you to prove your inference that Christians believe 40,000 different things.
>>75300018
You fail when you imply the Pope is Infallible always... on everything... which is heresy itself
I've wanted someone for years,but real life takes a nasty turn when it comes to disability, medications, and relationships outside school. People I've known are married or have kids. I hare the fact she married her marine boyfriend and just forget about me.
>>75299802
>Being this jealous of not being a glorious Catholic
>>75298187
It's not meant like that. If your eyes cause you to sin, (by looking at porn or something of that sort) rather than cut your eye out, cut the porn out.
>>75300186
It would look like the Nazi Party. Catholic Hitler's Nazi Party as established by the Nazi Pope's Concordat with Hitler in '33, following the Nazi Pope's Concordat with fascist Mussolini in '29.
It would look like death camps.
>>75300186
A single religious entity in Europe and The West in general...
>>75297556
>Catholics don't want their men to be neet losers who sit inside jerking off to traps and questioning their sexuality
>4chan is offended by this
Sounds about right. Sorry cucks, people don't want their men to end up whiny losers like you.
>>75299847
>"N-no! We're n-not "Protestants"! We're Christians! Unlike y-you... Catholic...?"
>>75299915
the Amish believe in Salvation by works, baptismal regeneration, and a host of other unScriptural heresies.
>>75300239
>You fail when you imply the Pope is Infallible always
I'm not the one saying that.
What I AM saying is that your leader is the biggest heretic around
But hey, don't come calling to me when your sweet innocent girl gets that thick muslim seed
>>75298187
But then how will I pee?
>>75300259
I could be a catholic today.
I will never be a catholic.
>>75300195
Why would there be different churches if they didn't believe different things...
>>75299937
'Truth' is also "that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality", which isn't most of the shit you spout - you assert shit and just dog people to accept it. Quite literally one of the worst attempts at converting people to a position I've ever seen in all my days have been in the threads you're in in which you dog people with your inane assertions. It is astounding to me that you can even think to post when you look so fucking stupid every time you do.
>>75297556
Eh I've seen christians that think that works have nothing to do with getting into heaven which is fucking hilarious.
>Be a rapist
>Also a pedophile
>Also I murder my victims
>After torturing them
>Eventually get caught and sentenced to death
>Before my execution some priest dude tells me if I repent I can go to heaven
>After I am executed I go to heaven and have my own loli harem
>>75300317
Do Catholics just not grasp the concept of "moderation"?
>>75297556
> what is lust
Will not masturbating help my dick?
>>75300326
Yes, Christianity is based on the New Covenant, and entrance therein.
Catholicism is based on membership in the Roman Catholic church.
Two totally separate things.
>>75300317
Jews created 4chan
what do you expect?
get out of here while you still can.
>>75299009
>56 minutes
Yeah I'm not watching all that shit. Either sum up their points or drop me off in the right spot of the lecture.
>>75300392
Alcohol
>>75300356
It's your retarded inference. You back it up.
>>75300337
The thing is that... The Pope can be wrong. Listening to the teachings of the Church and beleiving them is what makes you catholic, regardless if the Pope is bad or not...
>>75300362
You don't have to keep proving to me that you're lost and don't know the truth. I'm aware.
>>75300367
Gee, that's in the bible.
And there is nobody who is not a murderer, not a pedophile, not a liar, not a thief, etc., etc., etc.
Now what?
>>75297556
This whole world is sin. It is literally impossible to be sinless
>>75300316
i mean, how would this be accomplished?
explain what some Scriptures advocating such a thing might look like (obviously, this is a *very* hypothetical exercise)
"everyone follow this one guy, who shall be elected by some other guys, who would be appointed by the first guy, etc."
sounds familiar.
but Scripture, in reality, says no such thing.
>>75300347
For you.
Why do women want the perfect man? A high paying job. A decent car. A house. Anything else. God i am a loser.
>>75300482
Which is why the claim of infallibility is non-falsifiable.
When the pope is wrong, it's because the man is wrong. When the pope is right, it's because the office made the man infallible.
>>75297556
>every couple of weeks
>>75298740
So you mean to tell me, if you have sex with your wife and it doesn't result in a child you have committed a sin?
That's absurd.
>>75300482
>Listening to the teachings of the Church and beleiving them is what makes you catholic, regardless if the Pope is bad or not...
Yeah, you should just listen to what the church has to say, even though the head figure of the church is saying that you should take Ahmeds cock
You're really not helping yourself here, buddy
Just fucking admit that Catholics need to get their act together already and we can all go home.
>>75300562
>Now what?
Your religion is retarded and arbitrary to the point where most toddlers understand how to abuse it.
>>75300621
Cute little every day church located in virtually every city in America.
I can see why you hate it so much.
>>75298740
Where the fuck did you get that definition of Adultery from? The strawman company?
>>75300392
Yes, because moderation is such a natural trait of humans. Look at this country, there is no moderation. Shoveling pills, food, booze, sex and every other depravity down your gullets like you just got out of a 50 year stint in prison.
Catholics don't have a problem with moderation, they encourage it by making things a sin. If you think Catholics don't jerk off you're a fucking idiot, they just feel guilty about it so they don't do it all day like you cucks here on 4chan.
Look how passionate about self pleasure you are, you're literally upset that others choose not to paw at themselves like a monkey.
>>75300479
it is common deduction.
>No disagreement
>No schism
>No new church
>Disagreement
>Schism
>New Church...
common sense buddy
>you'll never marry your childhood friend due to numerous reasons.
>>75300514
You don't have to keep driving other people away from the faith with your inarticulate rambling, but you're gonna do it anyway.
>>75300680
I don't even have a religion.
Now what?
why you let religion control your every day lives?
you modify behaviour based on what a really old book says just because it says so?
>>75300702
First Baptist Church of Lexington.
First Baptist Church of Louisville.
What do they believe that's different from each other?
>>75300446
>making up semantics
>he didn't click the image
"Christianity" defines all of Christendom, be it Orthodox, Catholic, or Protestant. Generally, it means any and all religion based on, to a large extent, the teachings Jesus Christ.
Dear lord, your arguing like the Atheists that argue they have "the lack of belief in god" instead of "the belief there is no god.
>>75300693
Cause its literally a cuck shed masquerading as a "humble work for God" faggot
>>75300643
No. Infalliblity is only there when he speaks Ex Cathedra... otherwise he can be wrong or right like everyone else...
>>75297556
>pic of mormon pajamas
>>75300736
You now know you are lost.
Before I got onto your case, you thought you were a Christian.
You cannot be saved if you do not know that you are lost.
If you want to go to hell to spite me, that's your business. You're responsible for what you do with the Truth, not me. I'm only the delivery man.
>>75300704
Abandoing arranged marriage was a criminal error of the West. Compulsory education was the final nail in the coffin for the family
I wish people ate in moderation, not consume over 10 pounds of meals a week. Seeing morbidly obese people should be a sin.
>>75300799
Christianity is the collection of all born again believers from Pentecost to the Rapture.
It includes very few catholics.
>>75300678
So are you saying that I am wrong when I say what makes you Catholic regardless of the Pope and his opinions...
>>75300799
>Generally, it means any and all religion based on, to a large extent, the teachings Jesus Christ
It's funny that you have to explain this to the autists here.
>>75300694
My local bishop
>>75300821
Your opinion is duly noted.
>>75300880
And don't forget the media brainwashing idiots.
>>75299708
You will still be judged by your works.
If you kill and rape and go lel I didn't mean it you are still going to end up in hell most likely.
>>75300786
Personal leadership and how they conduct their church, what bible they read from, etc.
>>75300831
Never. Not ever. A pope made two of the most blasphemous declarations ever ex cathedra in the 1850's deifying Mary.
>>75300944
Then you will give me his name, because I have to send a letter to the inquisition for an investigation, because that's nowhere in the cathechism.
>>75297784
Who is this cum nun?
>>75300738
You are being an autistic retarded when I obviously meant the religion you were defending.
>>75300674
If you used condoms yes, if you did it bareback and didn't pull out then it's fine because you want a child
>>75300866
You keep telling yourself that. God will set you straight, whether it be in heaven or upon heavy-handed judgment. Not a moment of your life will go unanswered for.
>>75300831
And I guess you'll personally decide when he speaks Ex Cathedra and when he doesn't?
Sounds to me like that's that heresy that causes schisms
>>75300933
You talk about the churches teachings yet you refuse to listen to them when you personally don't like them
>when I say what makes you catholic
Gee, there we have those personal opinions you so detested before again
>>75297784
God could be a sneaky bastard. You don't know...
Good nightmares.
>>75300981
People full of the Holy Spirit of God do not run around raping and killing people.
>>75301008
Wow. Got 39,998 more differences?
>>75297556
It's almost exclusively protestants, specifically American protestants, who believe that bullshit.
>>75301009
>deifying
>Mary
>kek
He did not deify mary... have you even read the Council document?
>>75300928
>Doesn't know shit about what he's talking about
>is proves wrong by other anon multiple times
>too hard headed to just fuck off or admit he was wrong
>Catholicism (from Greek kαθολιkισμός, katholikismos, "universal doctrine") and its adjectival form, Catholic, are used as broad terms for describing specific traditions in the Christian churches in theology, doctrine, liturgy, ethics, and spirituality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholicism
You are dumb.
>>75300328
Saved by faith.
Judged by works.
>>75301054
I have never defended any religion.
>>75301067
That is awesome news to me, not the terroristic threat you think it is.
>>75301009
She isn't deified but idealised like Joseph is the ideal man, teaching his son his trade, walking whilst his wife rode, caring for a child that was not his
>>75301073
I never said it was my opinion. and he can only speak Ex Cathedra in specific instances... and only has twice...
>>75298118
Because primitive faggots can't even into critical thought, much like modern theists.
>>75297556
>catholics actually believe that pornography and masturbation is a sin
no shit... if you knew anything about theology of the body, you wouldn't be stupid enough to ask this question.
>if you don't repent you're going to hell?
this is the only reason i'm replying. Catholics have no damned clue who's going to heaven or hell. Frankly, anyone who tells you that they do is probably a cult leader. Pope Francis (and actually every pope since Vatican II) has asserted that humans have no clue God's final judgements, but we know from observation what drives us away from a relationship with God (which is required for heaven). Pornography is one of these things. Is it enough to keep you from heaven? Only God knows that. Is it a sin? Absolutely.
>>75297999
>bbbut it feels good
>bbbut muh feelings!
read the bible for once. If getting in heaven was easy then Jesus wouldn't have had to die on a cross.
If someone goes to hell,what happens to the people in heaven? Do they just forget? After the Book of Revelations is another big question. The souls in hell will disappear in a ball of fire.
>>75301055
So you're telling me my wife and I can't have sex while she is pregnant?
>>75301140
Born sinless.
Did not die but ascended into heaven.
Deified. And 1800 years after the "fact", said "fact" not being recorded by John, Mary's caretaker, in any of the five (5) books of the bible he wrote.
>>75301122
Literally what I just told you... They are all different... that is why they exist!
>>75301122
Everything from Jesus being an alien to Jesus being a father. Denominations aren't churches, by the way, multiple denominations have multiple churches, so your argument is even more retarded.
>>75300701
>If you think Catholics don't jerk off you're a fucking idiot, they just feel guilty about it so they don't do it all day
But they why do they do it at all?
Self control is not that hard. I don't approve of smoking weed, so I just don't do it, despite the fact that I really liked it while I was a freshman in college. I really liked cigarettes too, but I stopped doing them and here I am.
Catholic sexual theology is weird enough, but now you're telling me catholic people don't have self-control? Jesus Christ, your religion just sounds worse all the time.
The prots seem to have it down; "these things are bad in excess, don't do them too much or you go to hell." There we go. Simple. No need to do complex sin-accounting to correct for an assumed inability of people not to masturbate.
>>75301082
That has 100% nothing to do with what I said.
>>75300701
Well put! I'm jerking off way less after I converted.
>>75301145
Catholic used to mean universal, and heretic used to mean against the scriptures.
Language changes. Now catholic means Roman Catholic, and heresy means against the Roman Catholic church.
>>75301287
You wouldn't want to potentially damage the child would you
>>75301230
There's a movement to deify Joseph too?
kek
The more gods the merrier!
>>75297556
Christians believe light came before the sun
that a wood boat held 2 of every animal
that the first few humans to live lived over 500 years
and that they can do whatever they want as long as they say sorry before they die.
>>75301212
Great. I hope that's true. I certainly don't know it to be, or even think that's more likely the case than not. Your "apologetics" are too flashingly brilliant.
>>75301289
The offical word of the Pope doesnt mean that people didnt believe it before hand. Like in the case of Christ and his Persons... Which had to be clarified by the Pope...
>>75301252
And both times were blasphemous abominations.
>>75301284
They live on forever and ever on a remade Earth in complete and absolute perfection.
>>75298117
The point of this sermon was to illustrate the importance of believing in christ. And having faith and asking forgiveness. God knows no one is actually capable of cutting off their own appendages, so that is why it is important to ask forgiveness. It's like this God is love and perfect, like a shining light, and the definition of light in this case meaning the absence of Shadow or sin. You cannot stand in God's presence with sin, the closer you get to the light the more you realize you are dirty... The only way to be with God is to ask forgiveness and have faith in Jesus christ.
>I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the father but through me.
>>75301334
So, they're different because they're in different cities.
Are any catholic churches in different cities?
>>75301342
Please show me 40,000 different denominations.
>>75301410
Any evidence of this happening? During what stage? You're telling me we can only have sex with each other if we produce a child? Absurd.
>>75300779
>mudbaby is confused
back to the swamps with you
>>75299390
Explain to me using only Scripture and patristic sources why
1. The Host is physically transformed rather than given a spiritual dual presence of Christ just as his mortal flesh was. Also, why is the mass viewed as a "sacrifice" when it detracts from Paul's point in Hebrews that it was the once, perfect, and sufficient sacrifice that did not need repetition like animal sacrifice
2. Mary was born sinless, had no other offspring, and died sinless
3. Christ conferred sole decisive authority over all Christendom on Peter AND each successor to his bishopric despite James, physical brother of Christ, being the first president of the Apostles and various points of disputed apostolic succession in the papacy with split popes
4. The concept of purgatory, described nowhere in the Nicene Bible, is true
5. It is better to have unwed men preside as priests despite the handicaps he will deal with advising couples in marriage and the fact that Apostles such as Peter and many great Church Fathers were married.
Protip: you can't. You can just plug your fingers in your ears and chant the Roman hugbox lie of circular logic.
Rome is right because it's muh "One True Church." It's muh "One True Church" because it's right.
Wycliffe and later Cranmer and Cromwell (Thomas) had it right.
>>75301455
An eternity has to end. There has to be other universes and worlds with parallel selves of us.
>>75301351
It refuted it entirely. Get some salve.
>>75300701
I'm Catholic and I don't masturbate. It's pretty easy to avoid, in fact. All it takes is self-control and knowing your limits (knowing what an occasion of sin might be for you personally, for example).
>>75301448
By who's authority do you call it Blasphemous? Did you receive the keys of Heaven from Christ himself?
>>75301434
First three are correct, last one is not.
>>75300928
Let me explain this slowly and in a manner that your fundamentalist mind could comprehend via simple infograph
>>75301530
what??
>>75301434
God is light, said Light Be before He made the sun, and light was. We believe the rest of those things too, as they are properly in the bible.
So yeah, we believe the truth.
>>75301498
You seem to not understand Protestant Churches... They have no unity... There is no code agreed upon. They all vary in their beliefs...
>>75301443
While your dullness limps on.
>>75301394
>Even though people define it as such, I define it the other way which makes me right
Great argument lmao. It's still defined the way you say it isn't, even google defines it that way when you google Catholicism.
I mean really, you're using liberal argument tactics now. You lost this argument a long ass time ago to that other anon.
>>75301447
Keep kidding yourself junior.
>>75301524
>75301524
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_by_number_of_members
Have fun.
>>75301548
No. Not necessarily.
>>75301559
No, it had absolutely nothing to do with it. We weren't talking about people filled with the Holy Spirit dude.
>>75299675
> You can masturbate while thinking about your spouse. You can masturbate while reading about married people having sex in fiction, rather than imagining yourself having sex. You can watch porn of married people, and get aroused at them, while removing any thought of yourself fornicating.
Except we both know you're not doing that when you jerk off.
>>75297784
> Zzziiiiiing
>>75301637
>God is light
nice save! Guess god just had some lasers or some shit to do that one
>>75301561
He got it. Orthodox Christian here, and I never masturbated myself. Are you people really this empty that you cannot find pleasure in anything but jacking off?
>>75301634
i know that your village still worships various poop gods and sacrifices cows but holy shit dont be so clueless
>>75301539
>Wycliffe and later Cranmer and Cromwell (Thomas) had it right.
Yeah they did. How we forgot that the papists murdered over 68,000,000 Christians and Jews over the past ten centuries is nothing short of demonic interference.
life on earth is temporary and is simply a test.
If u masturbate u are a weak mind spirit and u fail the test
>>75301548
An eternity by definition never ends.
>>75300701
>catholics don't have a problem with moderation
moderate masturbation is still a mortal sin. there's certain things that cannot be "moderate" but outright sin.
>if you think Catholics dont jerk off
this is because catholics are victims of sin, too. not because they're okay with doing it every once in a while.
>>75301344
because pornography and masturbation is an addiction, which nowadays is very cheap and easy to satisfy.
>there's at least seven tabs just at the top of this page for easy access
>>75301711
Not me, but plenty of married people masturbate while thinking of their spouses. More to the point, it could theoretically happen, and if it did there would be no room in catholic theology for that. It is a blanket ban, despite the fact that extenuating factors can in theory exist.
>>75301728
God created the entire universe. You think producing light is a challenge?
>>75297556
>Catholics actually believe that watching porn and masturbating is a sin?
it is. masturbation does nothing productive. its cheap pleasure just like every other masturbatory act (drugs, random sex with strangers, hedonism, etc.)
you heathens need to learn that man must go through hardship to truly perfect himself. diamonds are not formed without intense pressure.
masturbation distracts one from gods love and loving god. it is the love of self
>And if you don't repent of it you're going to hell?
potentially.
hell is not the eternal fire pit that protestants would like you to believe. its separation from god. a good analogy is addiction.
>>75301564
By my High Priest's. Same High Priest Who gave Peter those keys, and watched Peter use them twice. And twice was the maximum number of uses for those keys, and nobody but Peter ever had possession of them.
>>75301730
When you feel like you are falling into the woes of temptation, is there any particular prayer you have?
>>75301797
what the fuck are you talking about? i'm not religious
>>75301604
That may be what you believe, but it is as false as your church is false.
It all ways amazes me the amount of stupidity I see by Americans in threads like these. All you Protestants do you actually look into the history of Christianity? Or do you just blindly accept whatever your parents were doing?
And to the people who say "God would want me to enjoy myself" stop justifying your sin. If you were into smearing shit on yourself, God would not want you doing that. He doesn't want you smoking weed and drinking to the point of blacking out. And he certainty doesn't want you fucking 50 people before marriage. Masturbation is a sin just like the rest, don't try to justify your sinning.
Look into the history of Christianity, rather than spouting shit you have no knowledge about. Or spouting shit just because of your feelings. Or even worse misinterpreting the Bible to fit how you want something done.
i.e - reading the Bible so it justify homosexuality
>>75301730
>Are you people really this empty that you cannot find pleasure in anything but jacking off?
No, they also get pleasure from shoving shit up their asses and watching other men fuck women on a screen. Completely healthy life style though. Us religious people are the crazy ones apparently.
>>75301684
Do you know about the heresy of Arianism or Nestoriansim? They had to be clarified as heresy when they appeared to challenge the Truth...
>>75301829
So wait after the world ends just what is this new heaven and earth? Another big bang? What of tye people who died early on never born? I hate the concept of dating. Ruined marriages and what people want. Some just use each other.
>>75301644
I understand them well as they are full of my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus, and I love them all.
>>75300693
Think about this for a second, these fuckers are in just about every single little small town and village in America, a relatively newer country compared to eurozone. Religion is powerful
>>75301662
Both of our posts are all over the archives - who is the more rational and articulate anyone can judge.
Ja ne~
>>75297556
one word
lust
>>75299999
check'd
>>75301644
B-but the word of God is unchanging!
>>75301682
It's RCC catechism that there is no salvation outside of the Catholic church.
So no, it's not "universal".
And as I know that I know that I am saved, and I know that I know that I have no part in the Catholic church whatsoever, I know them to be false.
>>75297556
Point of sex is to create offspring, if you're jacking off and indulging in a lot of lusts all the time outside of creating offspring you typically grow warped or delude your essence. Go look at /d/ if you think this isn't true, people that delve into lusts grow a bit insane.
Reason you don't indulge in foolish lusts, and instead use your lusts correctly is because lusts for the sake of lust tend to lead people to foolish places in life or ruin them. There's maybe a dozen stories in the Bible alone of people being ruined by their own lust, not to mention all stories of all time. You're more virile if you don't jack off and instead use that semen in a women correctly, and you're more motivated for society since you have to work for it.
You can't be living for lust in itself, sex isn't evil according to the Bible, but it does have the potential to lead man astray pretty quickly. Same is true for all the deadly sins. None of them are innately evil by themselves, but when done outside of moderation man quickly loses his way.
Eating isn't bad at all, but gluttony sure leads a man downward at times. Sex isn't bad, but lust can lead man to strange places and degeneracy. Anger isn't bad, but wrath can make a fool of yourself that you can never take back afterwards.
>>75301905
When did peter use them twice? And then who propagated the Bible as it is that it is the word of God without question?
>>75301686
I said Christian churches, not churches that wiki thinks are Christian.
>humanity existed for 120 million years
I, i can't comprehend.
>>75302163
>Oh, I don't accept your list because it shows I am wrong
Are you a unitarian by any chance?
>>75301995
Doesn't matter how it happens. The point is that it will happen. Do you believe that? If so do you want to be a part of it?
That's all that matters.
>>75301996
Even the ones that deny the divinity of Chrst?
>>75301961
Or from living vicariously through people posting on Jewish-created propaganda forums like this one while they rot in their rooms and never do anything in real life. really, 4chan is just verbal masturbation
>>75301931
A prayer? Why bother God with something a simple self-control can help? I just don't fall for a temptation.
>>75302151
>women
Some are manipulative cunts who want the perfect man like Jamal.
>>75301853
>moderate masturbation is still a mortal sin. there's certain things that cannot be "moderate" but outright sin.
So is coveting thy neighbor but catholics do it. You're not supposed to live sin free, it's impossible and christ knows that. That's why you confess your mortal sins and repent for them. I don't know if you're arguing with me or what.
>>75302203
Possibilities and many universes. Seeing other versions of us in the after life.
>>75302095
That's... an amazing claim. To say you can simply declare yourself saved and that makes it fact and therefore everyone saying otherwise is wrong. I am really curious what denomination begins with the position "I am saved becaused I say so" and then develops a theology to back it up.
>>75301706
Your idiotic idea that christians think they can run around and rape and murder people and still get into heaven is completely and utterly refuted by saying that's what non-christians think; Holy Spirit filled Christians do not engage in that behavior.
You cannot be a Christian without being filled with the Holy Spirit of God. It's literally definitional.
So are you saying Hitler is in hell?
