You guys know that record amounts of manufacturing jobs have been returning to the U.S., right? It's just that they're all automated. When Sanders and Trump talk about bringing the jobs back, they're hoping that you're ignorant of this sad reality. Taxing the rich or imposing tariffs isn't going to do a goddamn thing. What are they going to do, force companies to hire American workers? That's socialism. Same goes for service jobs, only that's a little further way off.
Energy jobs? They just developed nano-improvements to solar panels that effectively double the amount of power. Coal can't compete with natural gas anyway, an industry which itself is suffering from low oil prices. Fossil fuels will be decreasingly profitable from now on. Those jobs aren't coming back.
Trump can't make America great again. Nobody can. Technology killed the old America. It's never coming back.
>>75283784
Luckiy it was not technology that made old america but white men with guns and that is still the top level vehicle for change in this world
>>75283784
fucking this. and if he somehow gets "manufacturing jobs" back it's only going to produce expensive low-quality shit you can't sell.
>>75283784
>Coal can't compete
Now that Obama has effectively and quietly banned it.
>>75284220
No he will just take credit for it and we shill it for him until no one knows the truth and you all will be triggerd as fuck
This is reality
This is the current issue with capitalism.
Capitalism is great for a few hundreds years when you need people inspired to work.
But now we're replacing jobs faster than we're making new ones. Having to keep everyone employed is getting less and less realistic.
>>75286535
Stagnation and class warfare will follow, at least in America, which is what nobody ever talks about. The future is not very bright.
>>75283784
really makes you think.
i am now a #cruzmissile
Too bad, automation helps make american work cheaper, and higher quality than CHINA. You still need engineers, service technicians, and machinists to use/program machines. You will still need chemists to test if the material is in tolerance. You still need tech ppl to run the servers, janitors to clean up, and people to move stuff.
It reduces menial jobs, i mean who wants to solder a single component all day or spotweld the same fucking car day in and out.
Work smarter not harder
>>75287563
>It reduces menial jobs, i mean who wants to solder a single component all day or spotweld the same fucking car day in and out.
People that want to eat food and have a house. Not everyone can be a CEO or a scientist or a doctor.
>>75287563
Yeah, no shit. The point is the "bring the jobs back" talk is a bunch of lies.
>>75287679
To bad, i refuse to believe that people want a skilless job. Get a fucking skill, then make money from it; not hard, dont be lazy.
I saw some tyt video of some loser burger flippers wanting $15 minimum. They couldn't even say what their dream job was! Sad unmotivated people deserve to starve. Hunger is a great motivator!
>>75283784
>jobs have been returning
>they're all automated
then they are not jobs.
>>75288008
For example apple has it's circuit board components made in gernany. And theb has the entire thing made in China. Thats alot of jobs brought back.
>>75287563
>Technology and automation isn't replacing jobs, it's just creating new, higher-paying tech jobs!
If the amount of work required to install, maintain and operate the technology that's automating jobs was equal or greater to the number of jobs the automation replaced, there really wouldn't be much of a point to that automation, now would there?
Imagine you own a factory. If you could replace 10 assembly line workers who earn $30,000 a year with a machine that did their job, but had to be operated and maintained by 10 highly skilled workers who earn $60,000 a year, why on earth would you buy it?
>>75288592
That's still a gazillion times better than letting chinks get their grubby hands on your designs for $$$
>>75287679
If they want to remain unskilled in the next 15 years....
They can do one of 3 things:
1. Find US work in security, logistics or health care.
2. Move to China and India where their labor is still wanted.
3. Move to Canada and apply for welfare.
>>75288498
If they'll start starving, they won't be applying for jobs, just shivving you
>>75290114
My sides are in orbit
Logistics is the 1st sector that is about to be heavily hit by automation
>>75290071
They will still make products to order for small companies that cannot afford to buy robotic capital.
Also, don't underestimate how much their poors can underbid the work of a robot.
You still need to invest money into purchase of capital and maintain the robot overtime. Both fixed and marginal costs.
Pro-Tip: Outsourced humans making 33 cents an hour is still cheaper than robots.
>>75290319
Humans are still radically cheaper as simple pack animals than investing in multiple robotic platforms to get from shelf to door. Or say unloading bags from a plane.
Its essential why the Big Dog idea was flop with DOD, its so much more cheaper and efficient to use living mules.
>>75290210
No. They will just move to Canada or Europe where they like handing out free stuff.
>>75290434
No, they're not. Humans, even third worlders are a drain on the cost because the human factor makes them incomparably less efficient than a robot. Really shitty jobs have a constant flow of human resources that take an enormous amount of time, money and buffer material to train.
>>75283784
>What are they going to do, force companies to hire American workers? That's socialism.
Thats socialism? i think that is arguable.
However it will be socialism when there is no one left to buy the products because everything is being made by robots owned by a small percentage of people and the gov steps in and gives out standard income.
oh what you thought you would just let the millions who are cut out of the job sector starve and sell your goods to india and china for pennies instead?
>>75283784
> Muh YOBS
If a robot can do your fucking job then you suck and you should get a different job .
>>75290760
It's not actually hard to do and it's not futuristic stuff from sci fi. Self-driving cars are about to go mainstream. And humans aren't "radically cheap" in any way. You can pay off a sophisticated robot carrier with just 1 year's salary of a delivery man. Robot maintenence is also a lot easier to deal with than sick days and lying employees.
>>75288592
Yes they are you dumb nigger
It's still specific work being done
The factory property and corporate income can still be taxed
You're also forgetting the cost of transportation in your little "poors cheaper than robots" thing
Also don't have to deal with unstable countries and corrupt officials
And automated made goods have higher quality control
>>75290944
It's actually not arguable, dumbass
Enforced employment is a defining characteristic of a planned economy
>>75290921
Humans need to unionize they need at least 5 smoking breaks they need insurance coverage they need a labor code, safety equipment and safety standards and they can only work for 8 hours a day. Fucking robots don't give a fuck they will work 24 hours
Unskilled workers are eventually going to have to move out to deserted areas like Wyoming and Montana and attempt sustenance farming to survive, as the cost of human labor will be so deflated it will be impossible to survive employed in traditional labor.
The top 1% will be living in gated communities and urban districts enjoying all the fruits of a post scarcity economy and technology science fiction only dreamed of, while the rest of us will be living in cabins with no electricity and farming turnips in rocky soil hoping we can harvest enough to sustain ourselves through the winter.
That's the direction things are heading.
>>75283784
Times have changed, but people don't get it and prefer to ooga booga until they're dead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK76W1kH4jA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yCAZWdqX_Y
>>75291581
nice movie you got there
>>75291581
Ooga booga sucks to be you
>>75290944
> it will be socialism when there is no one left to buy the products
There will be plenty of people to purchase those products. China alone has a middle class market of 200 million people and so does the Poo in the Loo.
Why do you deserve anything faggot? You don't. The gooks work harder than you for less pay so get new skills or live off a handout or kill yourself.
>>75291946
Sucks to be you.
>>75283784
>http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/chn/
we want this.
>>75292567
you don't deserve shit.
>>75283784
Source
If nobody has a job, who will consume all those automatically manufactured goods?
>>75285431
This, we're slowly heading to the collapse of capitalism
>>75291385
>Self-driving cars are about to go mainstream
How is the car going to deliver a package to the 4th floor of a building?
>Robot maintenence is also a lot easier to deal with than sick days and lying employees.
Not if your a pizza parlor or some small time shit.
>It's still specific work being done
Thanks confirming youself as economically illiterate.
Workers don't demand jobs.
Employer demand workers.
Workers are the SUPPLY.
Automation obsoletes the demand for a worker. no worker, no job, dummy.
>>75293274
>>75291385
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>>75291502
>It's still specific work being done
Thanks confirming youself as economically illiterate.
Workers don't demand jobs.
Employer demand workers.
Workers are the SUPPLY.
Automation obsoletes the demand for a worker. no worker, no job, dummy.
>>75293136
the only thing collapsing has been socialism and protectionism.
>>75293274
>>75293136
So?
>>75283784
In case you retards havent figured this out.
Once a country becomes automated enough, the money will be in other countries and developing them.
I think there will still be a demand for a human touch in these industries especially luxury industries.
Fast food for example should be fully automated but that's unlikely for normal restaurants because people will want human service
I really hate this jew but he makes some good points in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzYrew2iW-Y
>>75287563
>You still need engineers, etc
For now. Ultimately, automation inevitably automates itself, and then we enter glorious post-scarcity. Just have to survive the transition.
>>75284012
I'd agree.
>>75291581
No, the turnip farmers will be culled in number to reduce risk of insurrection.
Printing Press invented> All the monk scribes lose their jobs> No1 cares
Gunpowder invented> Knights and blacksmiths lose their jobs> No cares
Agricultural revolution happens/ land enclosures> Peasants lose their jobs> No1 cares
Spinning Jenny invented> Thousands of weavers and farmers lose their jobs> Luddites lose their shit> still no1 cares.
>>75283784
> Except that Trump is also going to close the boarders and these companies are going to not care about extra labour anymore.
> America saved
> Capitalism saved
Technology killed the old America.
With new technology America can revert a little to be what people want it to be. The only issue is supply and demand of jobs, instead of those hillbillies fixing cars they will be fixing/maintaining "workers"
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>>75284362
Good.
Coal companies dump their waste into rivers and absolutely destroy the land. I'll be glad once coal's dead and gone for good.
>>75283784
You're ignorant.
