US Government spends billions maintaining
computer systems more than 50 years old
>Americans will defend this
>But muh nukes...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3608228/Govt-report-Feds-spend-billions-run-ancient-technology.html
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/161140/20160526/pentagon-still-uses-floppy-disks-to-operate-us-nuclear-weapons.htm
http://www.nola.com/opinions/index.ssf/2016/05/floppy_disks_nuclear.html
The fpbp meme is so fucking retarded.
>>75250950
Attach all the nukes to your iphone goy you won't regret it :^)
>>75250997
/thread. Somethings are best on a closed physical system.
>>75250950
hahaha this thread is still funny even after an explanation has been given in every thread for the past 3 days! lol post it again tomorrow okay!
>physical copies
>bad
>>75250988
fpbp
>>75250950
It's actually crossed back over from embarassingly obselete to a extremely secure system again. I see no problems here.
I'm fucking thankful they do, it's the safest and smartest thing for any nation to have when it comes to nuclear weapons safety.
>>75251204
Please explain this
>US nuclear crews shared single spanner for 450 missiles
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11232621/US-nuclear-crews-shared-single-spanner-for-450-missiles.html
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-wrench-nuclear-bases/story?id=26916107
This is a good idea.
After all, who has a floppy disk drive these days? Deliberately using obsolete technology adds another layer of security.
It's the best system for the job. Many military systems are not overly complex. They just need to work, and they need to work under many different conditions.
Keep in mind that many of the weapons systems and general equipment used by the military are 50-100 year-old designs.
New is only better for the contractor that gets the job.
>>75251374
So how are the Silos doin'?
>>75251055
I missed it. What was the explanation?
Nothing wrong with it if it's worked in the past. Retooling the entire system would be a waste of money
>>75251457
Still ready to eradicate gommies at a moments notice
>>75251898
And nuke Japan a third time
yeh dude just put that shit in the cloud let someone else handle it
chinese ARM cores are hella cheap
>>75250950
If it ain't broke don't fix it.
>>75251374
It's true that upgrading for the sake of upgrading is pointless, but there are practical advantages to updating a system this old. Current hardened systems almost definitely have better fault tolerance, and probably have better shielding. We've also significantly advanced cybersecurity, especially when it comes to authentication - it would be much more secure for system users to all use a CAC card to log into the machine rather than a password, for example.
There are literally fake floppy drives that write to flash memory.
>>75252094
the russians are still using vacuum tubes for their avionics in some cases, not because their digital systems suck so hard but because we still haven't found something that is more resistant to all the EMP shit you'll deal with during a nuclear exchange. These systems were constructed when the cold war was in full speed, chances are that they are still operational after half your country got glassed. It probably won't get any better than this.
>>75252445
>Makes Vehicle Radiation-proof
>Outside is radioactive wasteland
>Cannot leave vehicle
>>75252602
the planes aren't "radiation proof", they don't really need to be. You just need to make sure that your electrical systems don't get fried by EMPs or your planes will start falling out of the fucking sky once your enemy starts using nukes.
>>75252662
>Nowhere to land
>Everywhere is a nuclear hellhole
Time to Kamikaze for the Fatherland
>>75252865
that's the point. Radiation hardening your systems makes sure your troops can keep fighting your enemy after nuclear exchange, that this may improve their chances to survive is secondary at best.
>>75250950
Oh here we go.
So did your stupid ass ever bother to figure out why, or did you run to shitpost here as soon as you read the headline?
>retards
>>75250950
>>Americans will defend this
Hell, black hats today don't know anything about these systems. They probably have never held a floppy in their hands. That provides valuable operational security.
>>75251988
>>75251988
A source on that please my southernmost neighbour.
>>75250950
Try remotely hacking a floppy disk.
>>75253311
try remotely hacking an USB stick
>>75251374
This guy gets it.
It's like how the Russian FSO now uses typewriters again. It's far easier to upload 100 page documents on to a memory stick than physically haul them out the door and face them.
Nuclear weapons are really just to scare people as to avoid a huge war. In the event of a nuclear war we're all losers anyway so it doesn't matter if the tech is obsolete.
Nukes are two things, first a strategic bluff, second a method of suicide.
this is not the 1980s anymore, people dont study old languages and hardware for the sole reason of learning. The STEM has changed for worse.
>be russian intelligence agency
>ser bottle neck in key position, reducing the human force avaible to replace old dudes
>sent sleep agents
>gain access to the silo system
>sabotage
Profit?
>>75250950
The main problem with floppy disks is that they tend to become corrupt and lose data.
Is there some special type of floppy disk that is more reliable than the mass-produced shit ones from the 1990's and the slightly better but still not great ones from the 1980's?
>>75253222
Elly Kim Hong
>>75253784
>Current year
>>75253995
so fucking smug
>>75253995
Spanks a lot!
>>75254110
And oh wow my trips!
>>75253222
>>75254110
You're welcome
>>75253725
>a method of suicide
Your fucking retarded. If you disable enemys nuclear capabilities or constructs a shield you could glass people all day long.
>>75250950
You're right, we should put them on burned cds or cloud storage.
>>75254215
>cloud storage
>>75253995
Its true. The states sabotaged Iran due their security measures.
In the 1980s sleep agents were caught or avoid because americans did apply by thousends to key position or had a proven record. Nowdays only a dozen apply to key position and their record are bad.
I bet my left testicle Putin can order minuteman simultaneos explosion sabotage by now.
>>75250950
So? They still use chairs. They still use desks, they still use keyboards. The reason the general public doesn't use floppies anymore is because they have been deprecated for consumer needs, not because they are inherently unsafe. In fact, floppy disks are definitely preferable from a military standpoint compared to many of the more modern solutions, such as cloud storage or even flash drives. Today they even have the benefit of some security through obscurity as well, you can't really go out and buy 8 inch floppy disks or drives these days, which makes it even more difficult to compromise the medium.
>>75254196
>If you disable enemys nuclear capabilities
Hard to do that, since it is his top priority to prevent that from happening
>or constructs a shield
Orders of magnitude more expensive than just deploying more and better ICBMs.
>>75252094
>it would be much more secure for system users to all use a CAC card to log into the machine rather than a password, for example.
The same can be said for fingerprints, except for when you're unconscious and someone unlocks your iPhone by putting your thumb on the screen for you.
>>75252865
>The "nuclear weapons will turn every square inch of Earth into Chernobyl" meme
You know MADfags exaggerated the consequences of nuclear war to scare everyone from doing it. Not saying it wouldn't be a fucking disaster, but the world couldn't end even if everyone tried.
>>75254418
Come on Sweden its not about the floppy disks, its the obsolete system behind and what it compromises to its security.
>>75254604
Which is what? I trust old PDP machines a hell of a lot more than I trust new x86 servers. I'm sure every single person who has dealt with both does. The stuff the military uses is probably audited a hundred times over and is likely the most secure systems you can find on the planet.
>>75250950
The general feeling is that nobody wants to fuck with what is already working.
Whenever you install a new system, you have bugs and you have to slowly smooth out all the bugs.
That might be fine for a helicopter or tank, but for nukes.....nobody wants to deal with bugs. At all.
>>75254834
Thats the problem, like I said before this isnt the 1980s anymore. Auditioned by who? Just look at the F32 program. Engineers quality has downgraded a lot, the system may be good and works, but its mantaince and people in charge of its administration are a critical security issue.
It makes sabotage easy, infiltration and so on. Even with the hardware components manufacture.
>>75254196
and your citizens would be in full revolt. It would lead to a debilitating civil war.
>>75253311
>>75253342
Its not remote hacks that are the problem. All it takes is a disgruntled tranny smuggling in an over the counter USB reader to compromise a memory stick.
You can't exactly smuggle in a commodore 1541 floppy disk drive in your pants, provided you can even find one.
>>75255292
And what's the argument? What are you even trying to say?
load"missile command",8,1
>>75255600
hacked by zygot 1985. flashy screen. dun du dun game starts.
>>75253342
EMP
>>75251197
this
>>75251197
System was mean to work under all risk situations. This is for silos.
Meanwhile the Navy run more than 20 years with simple passwords for submarines ICBM launch because Navy said meh.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2515598/Launch-code-US-nuclear-weapons-easy-00000000.html
>>75255487
>All it takes is a disgruntled tranny smuggling in an over the counter USB reader to compromise a memory stick.
That's not remotely though. I know that USB sticks come with a ton of other problems in scenarios like that, but you cant hack them remotely. Neither can you do that with floppy drives.
Also they made camerase that fit in ballpens in the fucking 80s to spy on ivan, i bet if someone with the necessary ressources tried they could develope and field a really small device that copies what's on your floppy drives. It's not the disgruntled tranny that you need to be afraid of in these scenarios, it's the governments that use them.
>>75255785
would fuck it up just as it would fuck up a floppy drive.
>>75256456
I highly doubt that
>>75257184
what exactly?
>>75257265
>That Small James Bond device that can read a floppy
>>75257501
why not? We had the small james bond device used to copy documents in the 80s. You just need something to turn the disc and a small head that reads, doesn't sound that hard at all to me.
>>75257989
Sauce?
![storage-8inch-floppy[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9TGQUKI.jpg "storage-8inch-floppy[1].jpg")
>>75250950
If it works and performs the mission, why change it.
I work in manufacturing IT and I had an intern working with me last year. When I told him I still had to deal with Windows XP an CE machines he was like "why don't they upgrade?" well because for the most part these are single purpose computers, windows 7, 8, 10 gives you nothing. So if they work, what is the cost justification for upgrading them?
As long as you can get parts, there is no reason to upgrade.
>>75257989
>
>>75258251
carefull there agent smith
>>75258666
You are lucky I got struck with Microsoft 95 in 2014.
>>75250950
Gotta spend that money on jets and niggers.
>>75258251
https://www.wired.com/2011/03/cia-spy-tools/
fountain pen camera
>>75250950
Right and NASA often uses (or used to, I don't keep up) ancient computers for space travel calculations, which was a scandal some years back. It's actually genius but I'll leave it to you to figure out why.
>>75258964
I had one of those not too long ago. A CNC machine running Windows 95. II had to drop some files on it from a remote machine. Its a good thing I keep everything, I loaded up a VM image of windows 95 to test against from some old floppies I had.
>>75259528
Mine is laggy like a mofo.
The display is trash and has a large scratch on the side.
THat shit is literally rage-inducing.
Back then I had a floppy with all the good shit.
Duke Nukem
Wolfenstein
Astroboy
Bomberman
Megaman
>Good times
>>75259528
>>75259916
visit a university, most of the retardedly expensive equipment like FTIR nor NMR spectrometers still use XP or windows 2000
>>75261110
At least it is not Vista
>>75261380
it's not like it is a problem. YOu mainly just click start and then put the file they spit out on an USB stick. But i find it hard to beliefe that a company that sells hundreds of 2+million$ NMR spectometres can't be bothered to update their interface software.
>>75250950
I'd bet they aren't the standard 5.25" or 3.5" floppy disks everybody used back in the 80s/90s
