Well, /pol/?
#rekt
Words get around that the bartender served the men poison. The bar goes out of business and the barman is ostracized from the community. Him and his family die penniless in the gutter.
>>75163793
>She thinks Libertarians are against regulations
wewlad
>>75163793
A bar with no living customers can't remain in business because it's unprofitable
And how would regulations prevent this?
Exactly.
muh roads
>>75163871
Wow, what a happy ending! I sure can't wait to live in a world governed by Paul Ryans and Rand Pauls.
>libertarianism means there arent any rules of any kind ever
next you will tell me direct democracy is the only form of democracy LOLHOWMUCHOFAKEKAREYOUANYWAY FAMPAI?
Holy shit
>Ayn Rand Paul Ryan
>drinking the hydroxyl jew
>>75163793
>Liberals try to go to a bar
>Followers of the religion of peace rapes and kill them because alcohol is haram
>>75163793
That's one crap joke.
>>75163929
Because in this case liquor production is regulated, preventing tainted liquor from ever being bottled & sold in the first place.
Summer is coming in full force, I see. How'd school go this year, kiddo?
>>75163793
Karl Marx, Nicolás Maduro and Bernie Sanders walk into a bar. There are no bartenders and no alcohol because the economy has collapsed. The mob outside storms the place and hangs them.
See, two can play that game. I dislike libertarians though.
>>75164046
>liquor production is regulated, preventing tainted liquor from ever being bottled & sold in the first place.
People die or are sickened by tainted food and beverages constantly though, right now, in the real world where everything is regulated
>>75163793
The market responds. The bar goes out of business. There are no more deaths.
TO be clear, the bar wouldn't want to go out of business, and they wouldn't have served the tainted alcohol.
Anything else I can clear up?
>>75164046
Oh so prohibiting murder means that no one will get murdered?
>Summer is coming in full force, I see. How'd school go this year, kiddo?
Not an argument
MUH NON AGRESSION PRINCIPLE YOU FUCKING STATIST SCUM
Did anyone else notice that their names link up?
>>75164046
>No one ever gets poisened by refulated good ever in [[current year]]
Kill yourself.
>>75163959
Why are you defending a man who murdered three people through negligence?
>>75163793
>implying Paul Ryan is a libertarian
>implying Rand gives a fuck about state level health regulations
>implying Ayn Rand isnt fucking dead already
Liberal women are the worst
>>75164087
I smiled.
>>75164046
>implying bars open the bottle just for you when you order a drink
plenty of time to poison it or piss in it if you like m8
of course you're an american teen so you've never been to a bar yet
>>75163793
Wait, why Paul Ryan? Guy's not Libertarian. He's anti-abortion, voted in favor of the Patriot Act, voted against pot, and has always taken a hardline against the mojados flooding across the border.
>>75163959
why doe your pic only show u.s. stats? are you not aware that the worlds standard of living skyrocketed under trickle down?
>>75163793
>The state arrests the bartender because poisoning someone is still illegal in a libertarian regime and a functional law enforcement/court system still exists
>The families of the victims sue the bar owners civilly and they go out of business
Wow that sure was hard. Very few detractors of libertarianism actually understand how it works.
Small government =/= no government
Hell, its right in the name- libert-arian, liberty.
If you poison a man you deprive him of his liberty. The purpose of a libertarian state is first and foremost to preserve individual liberty and enforce contracts.
>>75163871
No waiiii, the bartender serving cheap poisonous beer earns a lot of cash doing it, buys media, assuring everyone there is no poison but rather their poor lifestyle choices that killed them off
Do not underestimate money or American ability to eat propaganda
>>75164324
>economic policy is one man
I guess this explains quite a bit about trumplets/convervacucks in general. I'm sure you love reality TV too.
>>75164313
>>75164183
of course they do, but organizations like the FDA arose for a reason. I'm not saying they are perfect/not overreaching in many respects, but to suggest that having no regulation would be safer just screams "I AM UNDERAGE FAGGOT WHO HAS NEVER HELD EMPLOYMENT OR LEFT MY MOM'S HOUSE"
>>75164030
Hashtag naked bloody savagery. I felt it was important to visualize the savage being naked and covered in blood.
>>75163871
>it happens again anyway because people are savages and huge fucking morons, nothing prevents these stupid fucks from ruining society because there's no regulations in place to stop them nor enforcement to keep them from continuing
>>75164046
the government regulated alcohol so good that they sold poisoned batches to people and made them go blind
woo! that'll teach em
>>75163995
>Paul Ryan
wtf
>>75164521
Because liberals have no fucking clue what libertarianism is.
>>75163871
The bartender would be directly responsible for the death y negligence. He'd be in jail even in a libertarian society.
>>75164183
So is the fact that people die anyway a valid reason to rescind murder laws? Are you completely and utterly retarded?
>>75164751
>>75163959
>Keynesianism
>Started in 1947
>Not with Hoover
>Ended
Kek
Also
>Thinking ASE is Monetarism
this is worse than muh roads
its not even difficult to form reasonable opinions against libertarians so why do they always stoop to this level
>>75164641
And he got rich how? By killing the people giving him income?
Retard
>>75163871
the invisible hand of the free market will save them
>>75164087
Im-fucking-plying that under communist rule there is a place for booze. That shit ain't needed to live muhnigga. 100tbhfam
>>75163959
>Keynesianism
That shit doesn't work. Germany had its biggest economic growth after the war when it removed most of the regulations and allowed the market to grow.
Once they introduced Keynesian economy politics in 1969 the debts started going through the roof and the economy grew slower., cause its core ideas that the state somehow needs to regulate cyclic market trends is based on Freudian hokus pokus and has no basis in reality whatsoever.
>>75163793
I like how anti-libertarian shills have to move the goalposts lightyears back into anarchy before they can even begin to pick apart libertarianism. That should tell you something.
>>75164846
kek approves by the power of dubs
>we can't get rid of the government otherwise meanie NWO globalist corporations will run rampart with no regards for people, elections or regulation!
>>75164642
>of course they do, but organizations like the FDA arose for a reason. I'm not saying they are perfect/not overreaching in many respects
that is you, admnitting your argument is shit
>>75164642
>but to suggest that having no regulation would be safer
and thats you admitting you don't even understand your opponent.
things can be regulated without taxing everyone and having bureaucracies skim off the process
>>75164696
except you know, the GIANT bar that never serves poison alcohol at cheaper than the poison start up bar
>>75164046
>liquor production is regulated, preventing tainted liquor from ever being bottled
This is what statists actually believe
>>75163793
There were a bar near me that sold alcohol mixed with gasoline. No one died though.
>>75164641
This already happen, and this isnt a ancap society
>>75163871
>>75164696
>>75164641
>>75164154
>>75163871
I visited an island last year that had this exact problem. No regulations were enforced on the island so bartenders made their own shit cut with methanol. Several tourists have died at popular bars from methanol poisoning over the years and nothing has changed. The bars are still in business and popular. Tourists go there unwittingly because the deaths are largely unpublicized.
>>75163793
If there were no regulations I would still avoid serving tainted liquor. Would you just go on a killing spree?
>>75163793
No one would go to that bar because they serve shit and they would go out of business.
I dislike lolbertarians but this is pathetic bait.
>>75165334
'Heh, I personally wouldn't go on a killing spree, so murder laws are totally pointless! Libready!'
>>75163793
I'm fairly certain Paul Ryan isn't against lifting all business regulations. He's just against the US govt becoming 40% of GDP and our business environment looking like that of France
>>75163793
it still gets regulated by the company in order to keep their status as a reliable and safe company, otherwise they lose business
>>75164801
Who is going to rescind murder laws? Since when libertarianism has meant no laws?
>Are you completely and utterly retarded?
Not an argument.
>>75164642
>create one huge strawman
>I AM UNDERAGE FAGGOT WHO HAS NEVER HELD EMPLOYMENT OR LEFT MY MOM'S HOUSE
You should try harder.
>>75165410
After drunk you don't care about what the bartender serve anymore.
You would even drink parfum thinking it's vodka
>>75165287
lol why did you visit britain?
>>75163793
Lets see how this works in a true, libertarian society:
>Every motherfucker in town knows that the bar serves poison
>The families of Ayn Rand, Rand Paul, and Paul Ryan file wrongful death suits
>Bartender can't handle this amount of legal action AND bad press, and racks up a massive debt after the legal settlement
>Bartender goes completely under, family is penniless, so he must work off the debt in a debtor factory over the next 20 years (basically prison).
>Every bartender in the country gets a puckered asshole; it could happen to them!
>Bars throughout "True Libertarian America" massively raise their standards, both on suppliers and on employees
>Suppliers, who must now shoulder the burden of higher prices in the form of higher standards, invent new ways of enhancing both the efficiency of their liquor production processes and their ability to screen out contaminates; otherwise they are going out of business
>Eventually, an enterprising young chemist creates a private alcohol inspection company, to make sure that the product is uncontaminated at all levels of production
>Soon, other similar startups happen to take advantage of this new market, and the competition between them means that they are constantly trying to improve their processes, reliability and trustworthiness
Meanwhile in Statist paradise:
>The families of Ayn Rand, Rand Paul, and Paul Ryan file wrongful death suits
>Bartender can't handle this amount of legal action AND bad press, and racks up a massive debt after the legal settlement
>Bartender goes completely under, so he files bankruptcy. He loses alot of his assets and his wages are garnished, but he doesn't go to prison
>All liquor regulations are handled by the state; maybe next session of congress a liquor regulations bill could be hidden in an omnibus, but probably not
>Because the government sets standards, there is no incentive to improve until government wills the standards higher
>Nothing else happens
>>75163793
>the only stopping people from breaking the law is the government
>bars would knowingly sell bad alcohol to people
>>>>>>>>implying
>>75164642
>economic policy is one man
What? Someone gave you a response that detailed the repercussions for killing someone through negligence in an AnCap society (not Libertarian), which was exile essentially. This is somehow more cruel than locking him away in a box for the rest of his life?
>>75164776
>libertarian
>laws
extremely arbitrary line
>>75165862
Underrated bantz
Do those on the far left think there's something special about the water in the US that leads the country to be the source of virtually all technological and consumer innovation?
I don't think it can be more obvious that a business friendly environment leads to innovation. It's literally one of the clearest economic links out there.
>>75163793
>Everyone would be murderers, rapists and evil people if the state wasn't there
Literally the exact same thing that the average devout religious person says about his God.
>>75163793
NO DRUGS
NO ALCOHOL
NO TOBACCO
We told 'em, didn't we?
>>75163793
I don't get it.
The NAP applies. Bartender gets life in prison for murdering three people.
>>75163793
The only time thier was a mass poisoning from alcohol was by the goverment during prohibition
http://time.com/3665643/deadly-drinking/
Damn it really makes you think, looks like I'm #Artillery4Hillary now
>>75166170
>libertarianism means no laws
Top kek
>>75166656
Statists believe giving someone even a modicum of control over their life is anarchy.
>>75163793
the bartender gets no customers since his bar gets a bad reputation and goes out of business
Why would you go to a bar when you can make it at home with no intervention or taxation?
>>75166019
Wew libertarian are really retarded.
They think in libertarian society every individu will become a perfectly reasonable, educated human being who constently research self improvement.
Literaly communist tiers ideology
>>75166170
Libertarianism is not anarchism. I'm sorry if English isn't your first language but you should really learn the meanings of words before using them.
>>75166824
modicum of control
like in the current system?
your distinction between laws and "le evil regulationz" is completely arbitrary and your ideology is anti-intellectual
>>75163793
We tend not to like Jewish globalists and their stooges here. Relevance?
>>75166971
And the first victim?
And if the bar is next to a highroad, so no local reputation?
>>75163793
The bar closes because no one wants to drink there any more. Invisible hand of the free market wins.
>>75167301
>Invisible hand of the free market wins
by killing three people you nigger
this much more efficient than a law that forbids murder
>>75167176
There wouldn't be an alternative. Only the educated would survive.
>>75163793
Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin, and Iospeh Stalin walk into a bar. The bartender serves them water because there are too many regulations, and no grain to brew alcohol from. They die fighting in a war about which of their versions of socialism is best.
>>75167473
People still die under regulations, but now they are less subject to competition.
>mfw this edgy 14yo fedora thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EJ_QarIUqI
grow up & get a job
>>75167473
>accidentally tainted water
>murder
Pick one
>>75167564
>People still die under
yeah but quantifiably and substantially less you dumb nigger
>>75163793
Impossible.
This would be a violation of the Non-aggression pact. This violation does not do not occur in a libertarian society.
>Well, /pol/?
well what? A good chunk of /pol/ myself included isn't libertarian.
I know this is giving bait thread another reply but mods and jannies seriously need to start deleting/banning these
>really makes you think (image of tweet)
>well /pol/ (buzzfeed article)
>X BTFO (Facebook post)
>>75163793
yeah wow, really makes you think huh
>>75164046
You are the childish one
Can someone explain what exactly is non-agression principle?
It seems to be assumption that everyone will be nice to each other beacuse... reasons?
>>75167176
Every philosophical framework assumes rational actors. You cannot make assumptions otherwise and still have a coherent framework. Rational actors are assumed because it prevents dumb counterarguments like "well, what if somebody's just stupid and acts against their own interest for no reason?"
Your post doesn't actually refute anything in that post you quoted though. The system around the events still enforces the desired status quo. The bartender in the first scenario is still punished for his negligence and the bartender in the second scenario less so.
>>75167484
So edgy anon, survival of the stronger.
I'm practicly sure you can't do even 25 push up.
During the french revolutionstarving peasant decapitate the most powerfull men of the world and start to kill every noble the meet in all the country, why do you think it will not happened in your situation.
Everybody have gun in your country.
>>75167897
It's not really edgy, I'm assuming that pepole would act in their best interests because they'd have to.
>>75167897
That's not what he said, Frog. A libertarian meritocratic system encourages and demands rational, self-interested actors.
>>75167620
How much less, and can that be weighed against the benefits that a competitive industry brings?
>>75163793
wtf i hate libertarians now
i am #cruzmissile
>>75167652
A good thing that the USSR had a non-aggression pact with nazi Germany.
>>75167832
>>75167832
>Every philosophical framework assumes rational actors
Since when and at wich degree?
Here this libertarian suppose that in a libertarian society absolutely everybody become a superior human being but in a statist society everyone is dumb and unable to do something correct, tbere is no need to respond because he say nothing logic or reasonable
>>75163871
a lot of good that'll do the dead guy
>>75168372
We aren't viewing his life as categorically above everything.
>>75163793
>sells tainted beer
>customers die
>no customers
>no demand
>business goes bankrupt
Free market works every time.
>>75163793
Rand Paul first checks the wine's quality by giving it to his slave who gets sick after tasting it.
Rand Paul realizes that the bartender tried to kill him, pulls out his shotgun and shoots him.
Bartenders never try to kill their customers ever again and the market grows.
God bless libertarianism
>>75163959
>>75163878
Fourth post best post
Is there a reason women in particular seem to be opposed to libertarianism and limited government? Is it because most gross neckbeards that hit on them are AnCaps? Is it because they cannot do anything for themselves?
>>75163793
Well what retard? Saying "well" isnt enough content to warrant a thread you fucking faggot
To be honest, a bartender could still poison your drink if he wanted to in the current society.
>>75163793
Really makes you think.
>>75163959
>implying that between 1980 and 2007 the American government didn't apply interventionism
>>75163959
>>75164046
>>75163871
yep and no other people take a chance to do what that bartender did because no one wants to die poor in the gutter
>what is the free market
>>75167991
>>75168074
That's totaly irrational, how people are suppose to know what is good for them?
How many obese in mexico?it's a majority and i don't think it's the state fault.
These people obviously don't know about a so simple thing than being able to walk 15m
And you think that the majority will be able to take rational decision for 15 years or 50 years in avance?
>>75163793
> regulations prevent poisoning
> unless it's by corn syrup and everyone gets beetus lol regulations can't stop that
I bet you think that gun free zones prevent shootings, too.
Oh look, another Libertarianism = Anarcho-Capitalism thread!
>>75168293
> strawman intensifies
>>75163793
>drinking alcohol
>>75163793
Looks like federal protection agencies did a great job of stopping pvc-made toys from getting in the hands of children, eh?
>>75170417
No or explain
>>75163793
cool story bro
>>75164642
>but organizations like the FDA arose for a reason
To inflate the price of food & drugs and generally fuck up the market, as a response to a moral panic.
The FDA has, in recent years, managed to create shortages of necessary vitamins for premature babies (increasing infant mortality) as well as shortages of saline solution in hospitals.
They literally caused a shortage of fucking salt water.
>>75167275
The distinction is necessity you fucking fucking mountain jew
Things that, if you didn't have them, the nation would be incapable of functioning
>inb4 leftist revision of what function means
>>75163793
Yeah killing your customers sure is a smart move.
>>75168278
>NAP doesn't allow for building national defense or treaties/alliances
>>75169317
Women are collectivist by nature and do not spend their time pursuing intellectual persuits on their own outside of resource acquisition because they'd rather spend their social capital on attracting men
Which is why Coverture and property owning requirements were a thing
>>75164642
>for a reason
Assuming you're pro gun, you realize some asshole in the future will say the exact same thing with the new agency that prevents you from owning a gun right?
The thing with leftist policy is that it is absent time. It doesn't let time solve a problem. If conditions are bad NOW you have to have a solution NOW. It does matter if the problem is already solving itself, or that the problem will go away in 5 years, it has to be solved NOW. And this nearly always leads to an overbearing apparatus that is incapable of solving the more complex and abstract problems and in fact creates more complex and abstract problems
>>75164641
>get rich by killing your clientele
Genius.
>Bernie Sanders, Stalin, and Che walk into a bar. The bartender serves them tainted alcohol because he's a murderer. They die.
>>75163793
Obama, Obama's son, and Obama's husband walk into a no gun zone. All three are shot because criminals have no regard for the law. They die.
Well, op.
BTW nice bait.
>>75163793
I remember when I used to reply to these threads.
>>75165287
Sucks for them trusting a shitty island. In a 1st world country, it would be publicized.
>>75169955
>people need government to tell them what is best for them
This is what statists actually believe.
>>75167240
Wrong libertarianism CAN be anarchism. But most libertarians have laws that protect one's autonomy.
>>75164642
>" I'm not saying they are perfect/not overreaching in many respects"
>FDA basically apologised for killing hundreds of thousands of people by banning beta blockers
I think 'not perfect' might just be an understatement.
a recucklicuck and a demlolcuck walk into a bar. The bartender laughs because they are both faggots that are good goy and need the gobment to titty feed them through life because their mental capacity to take care of themselves is literally below a poor Ethiopian niggers. The bartender serves them both Patriotic Freedom Juice, which promises the freedom to wagecuck your life and freedoms away for Israel. Both drink the juice before the bartender can finish saying "Israel". However it was laced with aids cum and they both died. And on their tombstone says "Here lies a good goy, the complete epitome of a brainless drone that can not fathom anything other than status quo"
hahaha get it?
>>75164046
Alcohol is a poison, if the government was regulating poison alcohol would be illegal
>>75165287
Apparently you know this brilliant secret though, you must be a real Sherlock Holmes
