I don't hate Trump, but I can't see how any of Bernie Sanders views can be refuted besides "but i want muh money!!!"
>Free college is too expensive!!!
Small tax on wall street speculation will pay for it
>Free health care is too expensive!!!
It will be paid for by raising taxes, and most Americans will save money on Sanders' plan
>Higher taxes bad!!!!
This is simply greed. Who cares if you can't buy a new TV if it means everyone in the country can get free education and health care.
I'm not saying any of the other candidates are bad, but Sanders plans are bulletproof.
>>75158533
>Voting for a dual citizen
>>75158533
>Who cares if you can't buy a new TV
I do
>>75158762
>b-but he is DUAL CITIZEN!!! DUAL CITIZEN BAD!!
Who cares? These are the kinds of arguments you guys make when faced with facts.
i couldnt imagine livin in a country without free healthcare and education. do americans actually like their system?
>>75158533
How the fuck you gonna "tax speculation" boi?
>>75158919
Yeah, people who are productive members of society are fine. Freeloaders get hurt. The demographics of the USA are too fucked (too many shitskins) for socialism to work here.
>>75158854
Exactly. Pretty sure the purpose of a president is to try and better the country, and certainly universal health care is more beneficial to the country than you having a new TV.
>>75159200
Maybe each and every person knows better how to better his life?
>>75159013
There are no real issues with any of those highlighted points, besides the fact that they make /pol/ angry.
>>75158533
>Free college is too expensive!!!
>Small tax on wall street speculation will pay for it
I don't know a lot about this, but doesn't a lot of the stuff pertaining to wall street business change very frequently. Isn't one of the problems that the market is kind of unpredictable? What happens if things go to shit in the market and the taxes on the speculation do not add up to much? I'm sorry if my line of questioning doesn't make sense, I was born the a debilitating case of poo brain.
>>75159418
Not angry, just intrigued how anyone could want such incompetence running something like a country, I would be leary of this guy taking my order at Wendy's.
>>75158533
>>75158917
Can you answer me a question? Why do Sanders supporters always do that "reddit speak" thing that died out in 2014? You know what I mean, someone will say
>he's raising taxes
and you'll go
>b-b-b-b-uhhh high taxes are badddd xDDDD
Do sanders supporters just get butthurt real easy or are they trying to hide their newness? I see this in every thread made by a sanders supporter. Any points made against sanders will be repeated in "ironic" reddit speak as a counter argument.
What's the avarage age by a sanders supporter on the internet? If the youtube comments are anything to go by, most of them are too young to vote anyway.
>>75158762
>confronted with good points
>cowers in corner resorting to racial and cuck memes
never change.
>>75159147
>How the fuck you gonna "tax speculation" boi?
Stock trades would be taxed at a 0.5% rate, bond trades at 0.15%, and derivatives at 0.005%, according to Sanders' plan. Is there a problem with that?
>The demographics of the USA are too fucked (too many shitskins) for socialism to work here.
That's simply a racist, unsupported opinion of yours. Exactly what I mean when I say there are no logical arguments against Sanders' plans.
>>75159606
Why did you say you don't hate trump?
It's pretty obvious you don't share any opinions with this board, can't you just admit it instead of grabbing at straws hoping for someone to agree with you?
>>75159502
This is the only reasonable point I've heard. Nice.
>apple and google is worth 1000 gorrilion dollars
>get taxed 60%
>free healthcare and education for 1000 years
>>75159554
>Incompetence
He has been a mayor, senator, and on the house of representatives for many years. If you think that is incompetence than you must be a full on retard.
>>75158533
>Small tax on wall street speculation will pay for it
paying for other people's shit and getting nothing in return
>Free health care is too expensive!!!
paying for people's shit and getting nothing in return (if you already have healthcare)
>Higher taxes bad!!!!
>simply greed
again
paying for other people's shit without getting anything in return
maybe stop giving people food stamps and social benefits and build some good infrastructure instead? you know, the stuff that everyone ACTUALLY uses
My biggest concern with socialism is the fact that big companies are already trying to get the fuck out of America for both labor and customers as it is, when we start taxing the shit out of the rich, won't that just speed up the process?
Sure it might be great for a citizen for a time, but how does free healthcare help us/exist when we become a second world country, or at least much worse than before?
>>75159689
Because I don't hate Trump. And I'm not looking for someone to agree with me. I'm looking for a legitimate discussion, something this board lacks, as you implied.
>>75159606
Oh okay nvm you just wanna destroy people's 401ks so they have to rely on the government for retirement.
How is universal healthcare going to be cheaper than the 60 dollars (2.9% of gross pay btw) taken out of my paycheck through work every two weeks?
>>75158533
>Small tax on wall street speculation will pay for it
Tried in other countries.
Failed
Universal healthcare failed in Vermont.
>muh greed
>but I want muh free shit
Fuck off
>>75158533
People with bachelor's degrees today still have trouble finding jobs. Why would you want to make the situation even worse by eliminating the cost filter on college so even more people get degrees? You'd be devaluing the bachelor's degree for everyone by turning it into another part of public school.
>B-But we could just make the academic requirements more stringent to prevent degree inflation
Great except this plan is coming from Bernie "Black Lives Matter" Sanders. So you really think he's going to put in place a set of academic standards that will mostly just disqualify blacks in practice?
Keep your kike hands off of my work credentials, I don't need millions of new affirmative action free diploma niggers undoing the hard work and money I invested in my own education.
>>75158533
You don't have a right to other peoples property. You do no get to decide how other peoples property is used. I think that cover all of your free stuff and taxes.
>>75158533
Le raising taxes meme
It worked so well for Hollande, capitalism btfo
>>75159881
>Getting nothing in return
Oh I'm sorry, is free public college not something in return? I know /pol/ might not agree with this one, but is bettering your country not something in return?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sqoq-lAGO8
check the dates lads. Bernie is just another rat kike
>>75159860
Holding office doesn't mean you are good at it, have you seen his voting record it's pretty sketchy at best, He has stood against a lot of things that would conflict with "progressive" values. He also cosigned a bill to dump radioactive waste on a small town filled with Mexican Americans, I think at the least that is pretty negligent.
>>75158533
>everybody has a college degree
How's that even help anyone, apart from raising competition on the job market? If everyone has a degree, it's not worth much anymore.
>>75158533
This is major bait but I'll bite because you are an idiot. I'm not paying for your gender studies degree. you want it, get a fucking loan from someone else .
Health care is always too expensive. Thats what you get for living in a country with such good health care services. Have a problem? annoy your employers to start giving us benefits again.
Higher taxes are bad. You want to take my money? you are the greedy one. I need that money to live and pay for a place to stay, TV or not.
>>75159860
And in all those positions he has done next to nothing.
>>75158533
>Free college
Forget the cost. You're flooding the workforce with a lot of underqualified workers and college campuses with leeches and layabouts. There is plenty of opportunity for students who need financial aid to go to most colleges. For those who can't quite make it, community colleges are often able to offer awesome opportunities to transfer to a state school. Many people work and go to college part-time. It is hard, and it is long, but it is entirely possible, and I'm not going to subsidize someone's desire to play life on Easy Mode. That's a slippery slope in my mind that justifies the kind of shit that got Venezuela into the trouble it's in (free electricity, gas, gluttonous and shitty population combined with govt too focused on people and not on the nation's infrastructure).
>Free healthcare
No, nobody's going to save money. Americans' tax dollars are already either too great in number and too foolishly spent. Furthermore free healthcare in America would lead to Rx substance abuse (we use more than most of the world, and their prohibitive costs is a good thing), general abuse of all-you-can-occupy medical services, and lastly a decline in medical service as a whole. Single-payer systems strip the incentive away from medical institutions and don't reward any kind of exceptional ability or service. Fuck that.
>b-but it works in other countries
Other countries aren't America, and I'm tired of people trying to find some kind of fucking equivalency. The EU countries are more akin to states within the US than the US as a whole. We have significantly greater population, wildly different demographics, and a much, much worse problem of illegal immigration and welfare queendom.
>Higher taxes bad!
Literally yes, actually. And as I already mentioned how our money gets spent is also fucked in half.
Shit bait but I was just talking about this with someone so fuck you, let's do this.
>>75160030
Be careful OP, this dangerous red pill will convert a socialist into a capitalist.
>Milton Friedman Speaks - Is Capitalism Humane?
https://youtu.be/27Tf8RN3uiM
>>75158533
>muh free education and healthcare
Nothng is free, faggot. Welfare spreads poverty read just one book om economics and youll see for yourself.
Once you see how wrong you are kill yourself
>>75160108
not when that money is going mostly to arts' degrees that arent worth a damn in this economy
>>75159994
Yes, retirement would be taken care of by the government. Is there something inherently wrong with that?
>>75159572
HURRRRRRRR
>>75158533
With lower taxes you have a choice what to do with your extra money. You could pursue college or buy a new TV. Also it is not fair at all for those who are not cut out for college to have to pay for those who are.
>>75158533
You are part of the cancer killing our nation. How could you possibly advocate for third parties making decisions on things that they are far detached from? They dont have to live with the repercussions but we do. Thats not freedom. It fucking tyranny and youre their puppet
Pay attention you dumb murrifat, because i am tired of reading these kind of threads. You are fat and you are not funny. You are an arrogant and pathetic retard who cannot realize the fact that you are not funny. And while you try so you country falls apart thanks to your nigro president and your culture gets raped daily by mexican shit, you waste your time living in a shitty house in some random autistic village, eating shit tier transgenic food and shooting at random stuff with one of your plenty guns. And meanwhile your nation keeps getting populated by shit tier niggers and asian inmigrants. Is your nation improving? No. Is your nation what it used to be? obviously not. You just keep stocking guns in hope they give sense to your low, marginated life, living from past memories which won't return and kissing big jew shoes. And you don't realize, you waste your time shitposting on anime boards and spaming your stupid "muh freedom" jokes everywhere in the internetz because in some spot of your sick mind you think its funny. But it's not. It's all just a decoy for yourself, because you can't stand the inminent question: "Why was i born on the biggest shithole on earth?"
>>75158533
Bernie's retarded shit would cost up to $30 TRILLION (that is one thousand billions, one million millions, a 30 with twelve zeroes after) to fuck everything up for everybody.
Please explain how a "small tax increase" can raise funds equalling almost double our GDP.
Hey guys is abolishing property tax a libertarian principle? Does it mean you never really truly own your property because anytime you stop paying they can take your house?
Wouldn't raising taxes hard would just piss off the rich and they'd fuck off with their companies to a foreign country and just start building it in said foreign country, resulting in less jobs, smaller industry and higher unemployment rates in the USA?
>>75158533
>let's have more taxes
Is this nigger serious?
>>75160512
>wall street speculation
>tax havens
>carbon tax
>less military spending
>>75159735
I try to be.
>>75159606
>Stock trades would be taxed at a 0.5% rate, bond trades at 0.15%, and derivatives at 0.005%, according to Sanders' plan. Is there a problem with that?
You seem to be familiar with the plan, I don't know the value of any of stocks or trades right now, but won''t there be a time when these are very cheap? If the value of these are too low, then they won't be able to cover the costs of schooling in this country, but that is just speculation on my part.
>>75158533
>Small tax on wall street speculation will pay for it
As far as I know, this is already taxed. It is 27% of earnings in germany and I believe 15% in the US. In switzerland, it´s 0% for individuals for instance, also in panama.
>Free health care is too expensive!!!
>It will be paid for by raising taxes, and most Americans will save money on Sanders' plan
Not making your hospital costs so fucking expensive would probably also deal with the problem. You are basically milked by these companies and for them to keep their earnings, you have to pay more taxes so that everybody can be milked by these companies. Over here, you might have "free" health care but hospital costs are also like 1/5th till 1/10th of the costs in the US. "Free" health care for a student costs 80 Euros a month, as a phd student I pay 170 a month. For "normal" earners you pay around 15% of your gross income for health care.
>Higher taxes bad!!!!
>This is simply greed. Who cares if you can't buy a new TV if it means everyone in the country can get free education and health care.
Depends on the amount of taxes. A good earning single man in german pays upt to 55-60% of total taxes. This is just way too high. 30-40% i could agree on. What are the taxes in the US like?
>>75160329
>25 year old now: "I'll trust the government to take care of me when I retire"
>Trust that in 40-50 years the government will actually be able to take care of you, to a good standard and better than you could have done yourself
>Trusting the government to take care of you in general
>>75158533
>free college
yes, make college as standard and pathetic as public education is. public education totally hasnt boiled down to "your education is base don where you live" college will totally be invincible to this. college wont totally turn into a bunch of inner city shitty universities, pissing and shitting in the shadows of the elite universities.
>free healthcare
they tried to do free ehalth care with the military. it didnt work. not only that, but chile also tried a single payer system, and it resulted in shitty care, upset patients, and the medical community leaving the country for the US. healthcare here is already cheap as shit. youre looking for an excuse to charge people more, to recieve less.
an HMO costs less than $100/year for a healthy individual. your taxation plan will cost how much?
>higher taxes
you seem to be totally unaware of what youre doing to small business. if youll notice, its pretty much gone. all that remains is rich start ups, franchises, chains and corporate holding offices. blah blah blah "you wont be able to afford a tv, big deal!". just live you wont be able to start up new business, and maintaining the business you did start will become a burdensome expensive nightmare that will eventually drive you into an early grave.
hernie sanders is a full of shit idealist with no brains and a big mouth. the dude has never worked a day in his life, and has spent the entirety of it living off a govt check, making big promises, and doing nothing.
>oooo, but i was governor of mass!
compared to alaska, that shit is easy as fuck. fuck the northern states. they have it the easiest of all the states.
fuck bernie sanders.
hey morons, how is Trump going to pay for his military funding? and "saving Medicare"?
>>75158533
>>75160664
Where are the numbers, Bernie?
>>75158533
>run your entire campaign around how corrupt the government is
>want even larger government
m8...
>>75158533
So I'm greedy. What's your point?
Read through the thread and op did not give even one proper argument.
>muh it is right thing to do to give everyone free education
Kill yourself
>>75160776
>mfw Sanders's tax plan includes a tax cut on small businesses
>>75159200
maybe some people work for a living and can pay for healthcare? and those who can't can apply for medicaid through their respective states
enough of thise free gimmie shit
and even then, medicaid has been in place since the fucking 60's
we have a system for low-income folks, it's called medicaid and retired citizens can get medicare
one of the stipulations of medicaid is that YOU HAVE TO BE WORKING TO RECIEVE IT
and i support that
not an all-out "free" healthcare bullshit
fuck you, fuck your communistic ways
defect to north korea if you want a bernie sanders presidency, because that's what we will fucking get
fuck you
>>75160243
It only works in other countries where the US underwrites all the defense burden (European socialism) or imports labor from the third world (Also European socialism)
>>75160243
>You're flooding the workforce with a lot of underqualified workers and college campuses with leeches and layabouts.
How are they under qualified if they have educations? Also, even if having free public college didn't do anything to help employment, isn't having a more educated population a good thing?
>No, nobody's going to save money.
I think that's just plain wrong. It has been proven that the average american would save money annually on health insurance.
>Other countries aren't America
I never even compared America to other countries. I think that's a stupid argument on many Sanders' supporters parts.
>Higher taxes bad! Literally yes, actually.
I think that if those higher taxes are being spent on free education and health care that seems like a pretty good use of taxes.
>>75159013
so he was a NEET who sat around talking about fringe political issues? why is /pol/ upset, sounds like them
Once you eliminate one being "for equality but still puts blacks, weird sexualities and women before everyone else"
and the other being "against political correctness but still a sensitive little pussy whenever people insult you" they are the same thing
They'll just be debating the solution to the problems not what is or isn't a problem like El Trumpo did with the roboticans
>>75160800
Assuming Trump wants to raise military spending by $100 billion, his plan costs three hundred times less than Bernie's and could be covered just through the natural increase in GDP by the time he takes office.
>>75160280
>Nothng is free, faggot.
Yes I know, that's why taxes will be increased.
>Welfare spreads poverty read just one book om economics and youll see for yourself.
Source?
>>75158533
If you aren't as financially retarded as sanders then you understand taxing something as volatile as speculation and expecting it to be a reliable tax base is a God awful idea, nevermind the fact that less speculation will occur if taxes and it will shrink the growth it causes to the economy. Also, everyone having a college education will depress the value of a college degree and they'll become the new high school degrees:worthless
You're assuming those are the arguments he's going to make, thus making this a loaded question. There is no way to tell what he's actually going to say unless you know him personally.
>>75159606
The speculation tax means that investing money immediately puts you into the red. Investors will opt to move to different markets, just like what happened to Sweden.
http://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-explains-why-a-european-financial-transaction-tax-wont-work-2011-9
>>75159572
Can you answer me a question? Why do people on /pol/ always criticize the person making the argument instead of the argument itself? Is it because I'm right and you're wrong? No way!
>>75161026
>Source?
The last century of economic theory.
Read a book nigger, it's like you're asking me to source a statement that supply and demand are related concepts.
>The Swedish financial transaction tax was a 0.5% financial transaction tax
>On the day that the tax was announced, share prices fell by 2.2%. But there was leakage of information prior to the announcement, which might explain the 5.35% price decline in the 30 days prior to the announcement. When the tax was doubled, prices again fell by another 1%.
>As a result, revenues from these taxes were disappointing. For example, revenues from the tax on fixed-income securities were initially expected to amount to 1,500 million Swedish kronor per year. They did not amount to more than 80 million Swedish kronor in any year and the average was closer to 50 million.
>>75161154
Quiet anon, socialists don't understand the Lafter curve.
>>75160219
>gender studies degree meme
>>75160939
>isn't having an educated populace a good thing?
What the fuck could you possibly need to know about he world in terms of economics, history, politics, etc that isn't available online or at a library? and justifies spending billions a year
>>75160800
By dumping the U.S. Department of Education, among other superfluous, soul-killing money-sucks, dumbass.
>>75158533
>Free college
>wall street tax
>implying congress will allow such a tax
>Free health care
>Raising taxes
>Save money
If Obamacare requires a large chunk of your income on top of already high income tax, and the youth and millenials are paying for it, then what makes you think you'll save money or a plan that would be benficial to the lower classes would even pass congress?
>Higher taxes bad
Because it's my money. That's the point of capitalism. I don't want my money taken away to go to a corrupt government. I donate to a charity I know will handle my money responsibly. Not lose it's value rapidly due to overhead.
>>75159200
>Pretty sure the purpose of a president is to try and better the country
Says who?
Tell me where it says so
>>75158533
>Sanders views can be refuted besides
>The fact that there is real measurable data showing his ideas as failures.
http://www.iea.org.uk/publications/research/scandinavian-unexceptionalism-culture-markets-and-the-failure-of-third-way-soc
>>75159591
Would you vote for somebody that is a dual citizen of China? If not, why the double standard?
>free healthcare
apply for medicaid if you truly cannot afford basic doctor bills
>free college
fuck you, get a Pell grant, it's not that hard, and most people qualify simply for having ADD, i shit you not
>min wage raise
MOST americans are already making higher than 7.25 an hour, and the ones that still make that after a year of working are horrible employees and probably on the chopping block at their place of work to begin with
if you work your ass off at mcdonalds you will get promoted through their manager program pretty fucking quickly
>wage gap on women
this doesn't exist, it hasn't existed since the mid 70's, the women who make less are shitty employees or don't work as hard, and this can happen with any gender
see cost of lost production, this is why some people at mcdonalds only work 15 hours a week and why some are working as many as 42
they trim the fat and cut the people who are shitty people
>basic income
basically welfare for everyone, i'm not even going to explain why this is bad, you should know why, fucker
>infrastructure
Yes this does need to be fixed, but trump laid out plans for how he is going to fund it and push jobs on day one, all bernie has said that he would put a bill in congress
Pres. Trump would probably use an executive order
>>75158533
>Small tax on wall street speculation will pay for it
Fuck you you fucking faggot. Its a 50% mother fucking tax.
Thats outrageous.
>healthcare will be paid for by raising taxes,
The top marginal rate is just shy of 40% How much more of peoples money does the government need. If they can't get it done by taking nearly half of what top earners make in a year then they aren't gunna get it done. fuck em.
>Higher taxes are bad. This is simply greed.
You're right higher taxes are greed.
>>75158533
>tax on stock holdings freezes market
>free healthcare is impossible because premiums and deductibles plus trannies will want free sex changes costing millions
>high taxes are bad, no such thing as trickle down economics but TRICKLE UP is the biggest bullshit in history
These people are poor because they are dumb, have no concept of saving money. They are unneeded in the market since they have no talent and work at walmart. Forcing the rich to pay an Effective tax rate of nearly 70% is impossible they will leave the country along withALL the wealth
And not everyone should go to college, the reason its so expensive is because liberal arts degreea give an easy free pass to a college degree so it attracts tons of people who shouldnt be in college.
Hey guys OP here just wanted everyone to know that i'm actually a Trump supporter and I was using this thread to get good points to bring up when talking to Bernie cucks. Many of you brought up good arguments that I will remember in the future. Thank you for your time.
>>75158533
If we could get away with taxing the rich more, we'd be doing it.
I'll give you a recent Bongland example. New Labour decided they were going to hike the top rate of tax from 45% to 50%. Immediately the country lost £19billion in tax revenue as the rich simply moved their money/spent their money/committed their money to non-taxable investments. To this day we lose between £3billion and £7billion as a result of this ideological folly, even though the rate was hastily pulled back down to 45%. Once the very rich commit themselves to tax reduction, they don't go back; why would they?
So, basically, Bernie is trying to apply a similar ideologically driven approach to a very real world problem, and will encounter exactly the same issue. We need real world solutions, not wishful thinking like "we're post-scarcity now!", that particular example being so idiotically false that even Saunder's supporters kind of glaze over as they mouth the words.
The US Government is almost $20trillion in debt, that's ten times the government debt of the UK, and god only knows how we're going to balance the books, let alone you guys. You need a recovery/repayment strategy and you need one right now or you might as well not have a government and hand over power to the banks and be done with it.
>>75160913
>Sanders's tax plan includes a tax cut on small businesses
>while meanwhile implementing tax penalties for incomplient health programs by small businesses.
>and requiring small businesses to provide health benefits to employees
>totally not trading one tax in for multiple other taxes
sanders has you so dumbed down, all he has to do is take one thing away, and youll gobble it up without reading the rest of the program.
confirmed moron
>>75160925
you dont even have to work for a living. healthcare is pennies a day.
>>75161572
hey look, the jew is trying to backpedal
>>75160939
>isn't having a more educated population a good thing?
Not really, considering it would continue to devalue a College Education.
I'm fine with the U.S. government completely and totally footing the bill for an academically successful student going into STEM/Law/Medicine etc.
I'm not okay with the government giving free gibs to a C student majoring in Latin American studies.
>>75158533
>>Free college is too expensive!!!
>Small tax on wall street speculation will pay for it
In many places, tuition to two year schools (community colleges) is heavily subsidized to the point that an entire year costs a couple hundred dollars.
SIX YEAR graduation rates from these places (to account for students who are working) where I live are less than 20%. 17% actually. And that 17% graduation rate was a RECORD HIGH!
http://chicago.suntimes.com/opinion/editorial-dont-tinker-with-city-colleges-graduation-rates/
Because people enroll after being nagged and drop out because they don't have any commitment.
If you've ever worked a job in your life, you'd notice that few places that serve food give away completely free food to the staff. They often charge a token amount. That's because people who have owned restaurants for years have seen that when you give something away, people don't treat it like they paid for it. They take a sip, put it down, forget about it and later throw it away.
That's a beverage. My city loses millions of dollars doing this for dindus whose grannies nag at them to enroll but never attend community college.
>>75160829
That's pretty wrong. Bernie's platform has largely been about wealth and income inequality, not so much government corruption.
You're one of many people in this thread who just don't know what they're talking about.
>>75161639
>you dont even have to work for a living. healthcare is pennies a day.
not under obamacare it's not
a basic plan under obamacare without the tax subsidy (which i can't get because i was unemployed for the majority of 2015 due to a family crisis that required me to be a stay-at-home son and care for my mom) and the basic of basic plans would cost me $275 a month
>>75161639
Say what you want but this is the truth. I am in college and surrounded by liberals so I hear all these shitty arguments all the time and I just want to shut them up.
>>75158533
>small tax on Wall Street can pay for free college
Let's see some math to support that hilarious bull shit. Also, why should any outside source fund a liberal arts degree that cannot be applied in any job field. It's a waste.
>pay health care by raising taxes
And let people with serious conditions die in line because 500 people walked into the ER for paper cuts and bruised knees.
>it's just greed that you want to keep what you fucking earned by spending your precious limited time.
Listen here nigger, that's not greed. If that's greed, then wanting to raise taxes for free shit to dead weights is pitiful jealousy. Jealousy that people with ambition were able to get somewhere in life instead of pumping out kids they can't afford and dropping out of school. Supporting systems that sustain that type of person is a cancer that will only result in more people seeking that lifestyle.
>>75160939
>isn't having a more educated population a good thing?
no, because someone has to do the hard labor jobs, flip the burgers, collect the trash, etc etc
(trash collecting is actually a middle class-tier job, ironically, they make 14.50 an hour here)
the world needs stupid people and smart people to work
>>75161572
>>75161572
>>75161572
>>75161572
>>75161572
People please stop replying to me
>>75160939
>more educated population
Because in any form of government, you need mindless sheep. Plus, the more college degrees there are out there the less value they hold.
>Proven that the average american would save money
Source it, then. Becuase it's a lie. Especially if we have a similar tax plan like Canada. I'd rather spend the money when I need to use it. I haven't been to a doctor in 10 years. I haven't needed to. All this would do is fuck me over as well as many others I know
>Never compared
No, but many of your kind do. Say we should be like X European country! Also, these are European ideas - why should we follow Europe? Let's do our own thing, because we are different.
>Free education and free health care again
On paper it's a good use of taxes. The problem that it brings is a substantially lower quality of healthcare. You don't get to pic your own doctors.
Also, have you ever been to a VA? Do you really want our medical system ran that way? Because it's a fact of life, it will be just as miserable.
>>75158533
>Free health care is too expensive!!!
>It will be paid for by raising taxes, and most Americans will save money on Sanders' plan
I not sure what taxes will be raised and on whom. I'm just going to assume, only because there was nothing specific noted, that the tax will be on income on high earners and taxes on businesses(unless I'm wrong, if i am let me know). I don't think they'll run off to another country if they get taxed, and if they do they'll just be replaced by a few others who want to make money.
>>75158533
>Small tax on wall street speculation will pay for it
I'm not even a free markets fag but you have to be legitimately mentally retarded to think this would work.
>>75160925
My understanding was that Medicaid was for the unemployed.
Where you run into trouble is when you're employed but just getting by, you aren't poor enough to receive Medicaid, but you can't afford instance either.
Things are pretty nice if you work for a company that offers full benefits, not everyone does. Some benefit plans don't offer dental, poor dental health can be pretty serious.
>>75159913
But where will they go?
>>75159735
You want a reasonable point?
Free college would be extremely expensive and wall street does not have the money for it.
In case they start to get taxated whilst investing from their country, they will move their money outside of their country and the USA will start to lose its international economical power. With that, all the loans it has taken will end up crippling the country since the source of trust has been lost.
>Free healthcare
The money we use on our country to get an awful job of a healthcare would be enough to pay for at least 5 times the current USA military in proportion.
>High taxes bad!
Yes they are bad. The government taking money out of your pockets is bad.
Free healthcare and free education works the same as compulsory consumption where the market does not have the choice to whether buy or not a service.
Since everyone will purchase it regardless of how well you do your job, it makes the market go lazy. It makes investments stop since there is no longer a need to stay on top.
>>75159739
>>75161750
Not that guy, but that doesn't subside our concern. Our gubmint is corrupt as fuck, or at least is in need of dire reform. Bernie wants MORE money flowing through an already corrupt democratic system. More of my money going through a system that is essentially a shittily ran mob outfit.
>>75158533
>Who cares if you can't buy a new TV
This is what's wrong with liberal ideology.
Liberals are usually poor people that have never had to work and save up for something nice.
They don't understand what it's like to work for something and then earn something that's truly yours. So then they say, "No one should have that much nice stuff!"
A much better ideology is, "Everyone should have the opportunity to get that much nice stuff."
>>75160243
I agree with you for the most part but welfare queendom is actually a lot worse in europe
>>75161965
Trash collectors get decent pay because the job is so shit no one would want it if it paid less. It's the same here and probably most countries.
>>75158533
>Simply greed that you want to be able to spend the money you work for instead of it being given to a useless piece of trash contributing nothing.
You're greedy for wanting someone else's time, skill, and resources to pay for you. You offer them nothing in return and forcefully steal what they spent years working and training for.
>>75162673
also, this
>>75161997
You'll take this (You) and you'll like it whether you want to or not.
>>75161805
thanks obama
>>75161904
i find solace in the belief that not only are they circlejerking eachother, but that its getting them to open their ears and think critically so that when the time comes for us to stand up and freely express ourselves, theyll listen, and hear it
in the meantime i work, do what i can for my community, take care of my family and do my best to become better with each day.
>>75158533
HERE, OP (and everyone else interested in learning the truth about Bernie):
http://henrymakow.com/2016/02/bernie-sanders-is-a-freemason.html
>>75158533
>Higher taxes bad!!!!
>This is simply greed. Who cares if you can't buy a new TV if it means everyone in the country can get free education and health care.
You can wave goodbye to everything that you plan to own in the future then. Won't be able to buy anything new and technology research will grind to a halt.
>inb4 "lol what get real you scaremonger you!"
consider the following
>nobody buying our stuffs in communist america because no disposable income
then guess? how will companies react to the poverty level income of the average citizen?
>oh well better stop trying to sell them stuff because they're too poor to buy anything!
>shut down factories because no profits
you really don't know what happened to the average citizen in old communist Russia, do you?
>food lines
>almost non-existent public services
>industry demolished
>anything built new was built substandard which caused higher than usual deaths among workers
>mass-poverty due to limited availability of work
how in the fuck can kykeface gutman expect to keep funding his eutopia if nobody will be able to work due to everything shutting down?
Are you really that fucking deluded or are you just trolling? I'd be much happier typing all that out knowing that you are in fact trolling and not just being a fucking retard.
>PS
>what the fuck happened to socialist paradise Venezuela? How's that going?
>Faggot.
CAPITALISM FUCKING SUCKS
AND SMALL BUSINESS CAN EAT MY ASS
>>75159200
>you should give 50% of your income to the government so that niggers get their gibs and tumblr cunts can suck dick and get brainwashed for 3 years free of charge. also, we want to lower the quality of health care and introduce longer waiting times for operations, and no, you can't get a higher standard of healthcare if you have the money. and if taking half of your income isn't enough, we will simply discourage investment and slow down economic growth.
>.......why?
>because you don't need a tv.
solid logic my man.
>>75161997
>>75163156
sometimes i wish i would read the whole thread but the anger you wrought within me made me type a lot. Just double check all the points you like about what everyone said before sperging out at bernouts.
>>75158533
Free college means useless degrees which have no application to better the society get equal footing with crucially needed degrees. It also means everyone will go to college and lower-class workers get out of business. It's a gigantic distortion of the market which will be subsidized directly from your pocket.
The anecdote of the century is that russian communists couldn't answer a simple question: who will wash toilets when communism comes?
>>75163283
i thought you were supposed to be on the campaign trail, Bernie!
The education system needs to be fixed and just throwing tax dollars at it won't help.
Universities need to be reigned back in and tuition costs severely cut (atleast 50%) and instead of lowering the quality of education and resources available to students the athletic programs should be entirely cut off from association with the schools. They can create a private semi pro league to still bridge the gap between hs and professional play.
>>75158533
All forms of socialism have been debunked for over 40 years.
>>75158533
>Free healthcare in a country where half the population do not take care if their health.
Why? People ate liquid sugar and fat every fucking time, why should they be entitled to free healthcare?
>>Free college is too expensive!!!
Young college graduates are largely underemployed or unemployed. Sanders' solution is to make millions more of them, which will only drive down the wages of the appropriately employed college graduates as they now have millions of more job competitors.
Which is to say nothing of how little our high schools prepare most students for college. All these new college students are going to go to college, costing hundred of billions of dollars, to get drunk party, and devalue the undergraduate degree.
So why is Sanders doing this? Because it will create a ton of new jobs for liberal academics, who are among his biggest donors. Sanders' whole education policy is a $240 billion per year payout to his biggest donors.
how to fix colleges without spending money
cut out useless liberals art
social studdies
gender studies
instead having scools only teach usable skills
or put more emphasis on trade schools
why trade schools work: companies hire graduates before they even graduate
friend of mine is a top mechanic for a local shop
he got the job 3 days after he graduates, he was pre-hired
>>75163758
Well spoken, noble xoxol.
>>75163915
>ytaking sports out of school
this single thing would completely destroy the college education system. you cannot have a healthy brain and learning environment without the inclusion of sports
case in point: liberal arts
note how many sjws are overweight, and hate on sports.
now look at how many medical students and engineers are also athletes.
>5k/semester is too expensive
shut up
>>75161395
I believe the point they were making is that they wanted to discuss the points of Bernie Sanders and what you said isn't relevant to that at all.
>>75163946
This.
"Free college" could be a thing in some certain jobs that really have a great deficit of workers, just letting everyone get a free degree will ruin everything.
The state should think in what is best for the country and the people that live there, not about the feels or dumb decisions of a minority
As with any Bernie Sanders advocator, i'll redirect you to the case of Venezuela and USSR.
>>75161535
Literally only post you need to read.
Pack it up berncucks
>>75158533
How can you tax speculation that makes no fucking sense
>>75164135
>you cannot have a healthy brain and learning environment without the inclusion of sports
Just kick the people that cant pass through the tests.
>>75158533
His views sound alright but then he'll get asked "so how are you going to do this" and he just spouts some shit about fatcats and levying taxes on them, then yell about wall street.
Its at this point he'll be asked to actually explain his key policies and he just looks confused and angry, at which point you realize he's retarded
>>75159013
Sounds like a man of conviction to me.
Spent his life dedicated to the cause. Didnt sell out. Is now a senator.
I will be fucking overjoyed if that is my life path.
>>75161639
>takes away one tax to replace it with a different one
Oh I am laffin
>>75164227
Keep reaching.
>>75162812
I do appreciate it. Thank you
>>75159200
>Pretty sure the purpose of a president is to try and better the country.
Maybe, but certainly not to tell me how to spend my money, and that when his "social programs" are bigger money black holes than previously thought he'll raise the taxes to pay for them.
Pic Related: The increase in revenu from taxes under Hollande, our great socialist president.
Higher taxes aren't inherently bad, but the left should never be given power over how to spend money. They squander it and then bleed you more to pay for their utopic follies.
>Free college is too expensive!!!
Small tax on wall street speculation will pay for it
Also, government intervention in universities, offering scolarships and whatnot is what brought the prices up. Remember, college is a business and the governement is their biggest client. Why wouldn't they try to milk as much as they could from them?
You want cheaper college? Cancel all federal aid for college studies, and the price will correct itself naturally based on the market.
>Free health care is too expensive!!!
It will be paid for by raising taxes, and most Americans will save money on Sanders' plan
Not only do you raise taxes, but you'll also have to pay for your treatment. And also have very long wait times to see specialists, unless you have private insurance. So paying twice and longer wait times is an improvement?
Also, his answer to everything is higher taxes. Not once mentioned balancing a budget. Not that he would know how to. He's thinks like a nigger with a credit card: Free Money.
>>75160820
Just trust me, it costs a lot.
Give me 50% of your income, middle class goyim, and trust me that the gov't will spend it wisely.
Don't spill any of Sanders cum on your Che shirt OP. Hippy faggot
>>75164091
Very true. There needs to be more emphasis on trade schools
>Higher taxes bad!!!!
>This is simply greed.
People wanting to keep their money is greed but wanting to take other peoples' money by force isn't.
Epic.
>>75158533
Ideally the super-rich elites would share their wealth with the rest of us so we don't have to work for a living if we don't want to, while letting 3rd worlders make all our stuff, and there should still be enough Americans who enjoy working voluntarily who could take care of all the service jobs we need, but unfortunately the elites are scumbags who take and take and take from us without giving anything back, so it would never work.
Trump is the best candidate when being realistic about the massive greed of the elites, so we can at least have a functional country without any illegals stealing taxpayer money or jobs at stupid wages, or terrorists disguising themselves as refugees and attacking us. Bernie is just too idealistic for the real world.
>>75160329
The government can't afford it. Social Security is already going to bankrupt this country down the road if nothing changes.
>>75158533
>be refuted
This is why ideological differences take place. Obviously there are problems. The argument now becomes about whether government intervention is creating the problems we see or still capable of cleaning up the shit. Which it initially created.
>>75160939
>How are they under qualified if they have educations? Also, even if having free public college didn't do anything to help employment, isn't having a more educated population a good thing?
They're not educated, they're just getting worthless certificates that put them $100K+ in debt, and flood the market with this worthless shit. Then they cry because their expensive piece of paper turns out to not be magic meal ticket after all. Most people aren't capable of absorbing a real college education at a level that makes this sort of investment worthwhile. The degree itself is worthless, it always was. It's what you learn while there that's important. Sending more people to college who can't get the education even if its spoon fed to them is just killing them. Making it "free" simply spreads the misery to everybody while still wasting the dumb kids lives.
>>75161466
I feel bad you wrote all that and didn't get a (you) so here (you) go!
>>75158533
Fuck you, I don't work so some lazy faggots who don't can take my money and spend it. (Besides my employers who I'm trading my time for their created opportunity of wealth creation on my end. )
Fucking socialist asshole, your ideology has killed enough people.
>>75158533
Inflation.
Amnesty.
Weak on tariffs and trade.
When he says "break up the banks" he has no clue how he's going to split the ownship. People give Trump shit about being vague about the wall, but a wall is fairly simple compared to blindly disassembling multibillion follar financial institutions. My guess is Bernie's tough on banksters stance will work out just about as well as Obama shutting down Gitmo. He'll talk big then realize he can't do shit once he gets into power. Pretending this isn't bait, you should toss your vote to a more realistic candidate like Trump once Berning man loses the primary.
>>75160316
>arts degrees are bad
I guess you should stop listening to music then. And stop enjoying any kind of pictures, movies, shows... since they come from "worthless degrees that don't contribute to society" and all. You're a fucking faggot
>>75167972
Thinks you need a $100k degree to make music or movies.
>>75158533
>It just werks
No you stupid faggot you have to create a complex cost benefit model and associated regression that shows
1-The benefit of a public program or market intervention exceeds the cost
2-A applied tax is inelastic and will not crash a market
3-Administrative costs accounted for in CB analysis
4-Compelling welfare argument associated with estimated benefit
If you do none of these things you are talking out your ass.
A few thoughts from an olderbro who has lived all over the world and went from borderline communist at 20 to very far right liberationish at 34.
1. I spent some time in Europe, which I put on a pedestal akin to Bernie's fetishization of the Nordic systems. What I learned is that their taxes are so exhorbitantly high, the will to work just seemed sucked out of a lot of them. Opening a business in many of those countries, especially Spain, was essentially the plot of a Kafka story.
2. I then moved to the Middle East, mainly Dubai and Abu Djhabi. It was there where I met a staggering amount of well-educated productive Euro bros who were fleeing taxes. I understand this is all anecdotal but fucking hell they seemed happier and more productive than their counterparts at home.
3. I then returned and began working for the government. That is where my eyes have been opened wide. You do NOT, under any circumstances, want a civil servant anywhere near anything as complicated as health care or education. At this point I believe public education should be abolished. It's a waste of time, energy, and money that caters only to the lowest common denominator and wastes billions.
4. Capital flight is real. I am co founder of a small business and I'm telling you right now, Bernie's tax code hits and we shut it down. And that's a tiny business. Anyone with the resources to do so will flee.
5. Why do you want to pay for your education over 40-50 years instead of one loan over 10 years? That doesn't make fiscal sense.
6. Why should I be forced to care about citizens who chose to make terrible decisions for decades and now want me, having made good decisions, to shoulder their burden? Serious question. Wasn't it their moral obligation to care for themselves? Why did Tashika choose to have 4 children out of wed lock with strangers when free birth control is one Planned Parenthood stop away.
>>75158533
I work for my stuff, when I want more stuff I work harder, when I want even MORE stuff I work THAT MUCH HARDER.
Socialism undermines the efforts of workers to advance themselves in life through effort. I worked hard for the $12K I have in my bank account at my current age of 19. I'd rather not give so much as a worthless Canadian penny to anyone for some socialist welfare nigger.
If they are so desperate for money someone can host a fundraiser for them.
>muh don't be greedy
>muh rich people are evil
Socialists are the greedy ones because they want other people's money and feel entitled to it.
pic related
>>75167972
I can't think of any musicians in my top ten who got degrees before making their first hit
>>75168329
This tbqh f.am. It's far greedier to live for the moment, never plan ahead, take no responsibility for your actions, and then demand that others carry your debt.
It's the greediest thing I could imagine family.
Also, society isn't going to be better educated if college becomes a right. College is just going to become a watered down joke.
Research "social promotion" in education if you think that won't happen.
>>75167972
>taking a degree to make music
>>75158533
>>Higher taxes bad!!!!
>This is simply greed. Who cares if you can't buy a new TV if it means everyone in the country can get free education and health care.
Whelp boys, this is it.
Wanting to keep your money that your earned is now greedy, and wanting to take money from others for your own gain is now selfless
What a time to be alive
>>75168837
>muh greater good
There already is free healthcare and free education for the poor. Many anons have already pointed this out. If you are poor, starving, and withou a roof over your head in Anerica, you are fucking beyond help.
We are the first civilization in history that has such an abundance that our poorest citizens are morbidly obese.
This bro nails it:
>virtuous to tell others who have contributed for years what they should and shouldn't do with their money.
It's madness. Some fucking 18 year old who has never worked a day, never paid taxes outside of sales tax, is going to smugly dictate where my money should be spent.
That's the crux of the argument that Berniecucks aren't getting and never can answer.
What right do you have to tell me what I should or shouldn't buy?
>>75158533
Simply greed to want to keep the money you work for?
If your salary is a conversion of human time and work into an object that is easily traded (money) then isn't taxation just, at its most basic, stealing people's time? Also the way you word it you are basically advocating slavery to the state. Congratulations.
Taxation is theft though???
>>75164135
There can still be extracurricular sports clubs and things so that students can organize and enjoy themselves but the official ncaa teams need to be eliminated. Many of the athletes wouldn't even be at the school if it didn't present the opportunity to advance to professional play, which is why you have a semipro league replace it while paying the athletes.
It makes the athletes' experience better because they don't have to waste time on an "education" they're being handed that won't help them anyway if they don't go pro and it makes the students' degrees more meaningful because they aren't being handed out to morons because they play a sport
Why is it acceptable that middle and lower class people should pay for others to go to college, for the express intention that they might climb up in wealth above you?
With the increased tax, more people would have no choice but to sign up for government aid so they can acquire back some of their earning, after it's been passed through bureaucrats. What if they don't want to?
Free college tuition is futile when college degree is becoming more and more useless. An education reform has to occur; one that values competence, efficiency, and worth to the individual and the public good. More citizens perhaps would be in favor of free college tuition (or other social programs) if they see that it's worthwhile. They place too much credit on the mainstream 4-year university degree path to success. Open up some alternatives. Overall, there are simply too much qualities that Sanders and his crowd tend to that don't engender productivity, and it's not even isolated qualities. It's the entire world view that's at fault, and they are interrelated.
>>75159200
>Pretty sure the purpose of a president is to try and better the country
fuck off
>>75159200
>Job of the president is to better the country
No, the job of the president is to ensure reliable execution of the laws of said country. He is the chief executive; the executive branch. Note the root word 'execute.'
The president's job is to see to it that shit gets done. What said shit is is not really his purview.
>>75169832
If you knew how most of your tax money is being spent behind the scenes, i suspect your head would explode.
>"You didn't build that road."
Neither did the government at this point in time, because American infrastructure is crumbling. It's fucking third world tier.
Remember when Obama campaigned on WPA programs to rebuild our bridges and high speed rail, and...blah blah blah.
>>75164135
Also,
>$5k/semester
What shitty school do you go to lmao
>>75170188
$5k a semester is dirt cheap desu f.am.
And what Berncucks also aren't getting is that US schools were dirt cheap until the government decided to fucking guaurntee them a certain amount of ever increasing money yearly.
>>75170053
>Qualities that Sanders and crowd tend to
That's a good point anon. Berncucks seem to lack a certain amount of self awareness and that narcisstic worldview does translate into policy. The average Berncuck appears weak, physically unfit, whiney, self righteous, yet afraid to take any chances themselves outside of dumping their entire college loan into his campaign chest.
It really is a cultural thing to a large extent. Bernie appears weak and whimpy and effete and they worship him. Seems superficial but I'd rather Hillary's cunt face than his self righteous moralizing.
>>75170413
Yea I know, the poster I was replying to implied that I thought $5k a semester is too expensive when that's barely half of a decent public school's in-state tuition
The problem lies with how the costs of living and such have increased. I don't have the numbers with me but they're all over the place. People used to be able to work a part time mcjob for the summer and pay for an entire year's worth of college. That isn't even remotely imaginable nowadays
>>75159013
That looks like bona fide, genuine propaganda. It's riddled with glaring inaccuracies.
>>75160243
>Venezuela
Not a valid comparison
>>75160925
>le just move to le shitty country if you like it so much because I can't do anything other than make le shitty strawman arguments
>>75167972
This is partly what I meant. People placing more trust in college courses for worth rather than relying on their own self and the capability of man to learn a craft or trade. I took some art classes (I'm a painter) and most people didn't bother to improve. Almost all of them think if they have a degree or a good grade that would necessarily mean they are worth something. Why bother to improve on your self if you are gratified with easy rewards? I personally witnessed the same kind of mindset that Bernie supporters have right now well before they came into mainstream culture, down to their forced inclusivity, and I saw how it continued to destroy the arts.
>>75161299
>most charities
>responsible
wew lad
>rich people giving up most of their personal wealth
wew lad
>>75160108
Free college!! Further saturating the already saturated graduate market? I can't think if a better idea
Honestly, can liberals even grasp the concept of a consequence?
>>75161535
>le poor people are stupid meme
>le small number of sex change operations bankrupting the country
>le librul arts degree meme
>>75162064
>implying the VA is comparable to healthcare in somewhere like France
>>75158533
>"No human being is illegal!"
>>75158533
The us government is incapable of performing its current responsibilities efficiently.
There is literally no fucking reason to expect that a massive expansion in its duties and power will cause it to miraculously function more effeciently.
If you believe otherwise you are a giant fucking retard.
>>75163156
>>75164398
>muh communism
>muh Bernie is a communist meme
>muh USSR
>muh Venezuela
You're full of shit and you know it.
>>75158533
Do really want to be sponsoring the next generation of sjw morons with a women' studies degree?.
Ppl just dont want to end like venezuela.
>>75165126
how is that reaching? he just called you out completely on point.
as if we needed any more proof that /pol/ is chock full of 16 year old dipshits.
>>75168320
>birth control is widespread easy to obtain and use
Are you blind?
>>75158533
ARe you a minoritie?
>>75171865
>doesn't understand that North Korea is communist, they say they aren't but they are, they had lenin and marx up until 2013 in the g Pyongyang Square
Medicaid is for poor folks who qualify or unemployed
we HAVE FREE HEALTHCARE
fuck you, and fuck off
obamacarte has ruined healthcare because it trippled the cost of even a fucking perscription plan
>>75158533
>I don't hate Trump, but I can't see how any of Bernie Sanders views can be refuted besides "but i want muh money!!!"
Well, that and math.
>>75161535
>the reason its so expensive is because liberal arts degreea give an easy free pass to a college degree so it attracts tons of people who shouldnt be in college.
THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS
these people would actually be better off being McDonalds managers or Walmart managers
and all you need for those is a desire to work your ass off
>>75158533
Literally logic will refute all of his points. You believe the sand because you want to. You don't look at all the facts, you ignore everything that talks about how Sanders will lose.
>>75158533
I can refute every point:
No thanks.
kek. /pol/ falls for this thread every time
>>75173276
North Korea is ruled by Juche, not Marxism-Leninism. Regardless, Bernie is nowhere near either.
>>75158533
>It will be paid for by raising taxes,
What's your effective tax rate, if you don't mind
>>75158533
>just raise taxes
>just raise taxes
>just raise taxes
>just raise taxes
>just raise taxes
>just raise taxes
>>75158533
Wow, really makes you think...
Guess I'm a #ClintLicker now.
Sanders government can only be successful in a white majority country. With his policy of open boarders nothing will work. The economy would crash, and we'd be looking at a full on race/civil war.
Also hes a kike. So he belongs in an oven.
>>75158533
>I can't see how any of Bernie Sanders views can be refuted
How about tragedy of the commons
>>75165246
>Small tax on wall street speculation will pay for it
you're fucking retarded.
>>75158533
>but I can't see how any of Bernie Sanders views can be refuted besides "but i want muh money!!!"
I can refute them all: There's no chance in hell he's getting anything he wants since the shit he wants that you're promoting would require the destruction of the status quo and, while the status quo must fucking die, he's not calling for violence.
You cannot get anything without violence. People have to die, and lots of them, before anything can ever happen. You cannot love what Sanders preaches without restorting to violence.
I want all urbanites to be exterminated which requires violence but at least I'm not pushing for political reforms when clearly only force can do.
>>75158533
>(((((Bernie Sanders)))))
>>75160670
Wind power is the future. Kek
>>75158533
>Higher taxes
>save money
>>75158533
Taxation is theft and immoral.
>>75158533
Motherfucker, I make 65K a year, which isn't that much higher than the median. I pay fucking $300 per month for my and my wife's health insurance, which is good coverage at an awesome price. Our yearly medical expenses are tiny.
This motherfucker wants to raise my taxes by $6,500 per year. That is NOT a good deal.
Fuck you. I'm not paying for your broke ass to get your ingrown toenail fixed or your wife's son to go to college.
I already paid for my fucking college. Where's my free tuition? Where's my gibs?
Oh, that's right, I forgot. I'm one of the rich. On 65K per year.
Fucking idiots.
>>75159200
>and certainly universal health care is more beneficial to the country than you having a new TV.
nice either-or fallacy, yankee, but you don't understand 1 major problem with your shitty argument: "universal healthcare" is a means of coercion that Europeans use to prevent nationalism and increase urbanism. It has NOTHING to do with improving healthcare any more so than gun control has to do with proliferating guns.
Urbanism will lead to corruption, misery, and force the country to resort to literal colonialism as it kills its population sources just to feed a bottomless pit of obsolete social trash.
>>75158919
theres a lot of ways to either avoid paying at all or pay little. millennials were just too lazy to take advantage
>>75160925
>maybe some people work for a living and can pay for healthcare? and those who can't can apply for medicaid through their respective states
Yeah, but you're implying that they can get jobs which Sanders will make sure they can't. He can't have domestic labor competing with his colonial development.
Cities must burn.
>>75161135
>OP acts like a faggot
>"OMG DONT CALL ME A FAGGOT!"
I've got ONE issue
30-50 Million illegals in my country almost all taking some form of welfare and commuting crimes at WHATEVER rate.
Bern me wants to up the welfare and legalize all the illegals ?
His followers must be on drugs..
Oh that's right, they are.
>>75175610
t. mature 4 his age xD 25 year old who doesn't realize he IS a millennial
>>75175690
how do they get welfare if they aren't citizens?
>>75161124
This senpai. Anyone supporting Bernie's FTT is literally retarded.
>>75158919
America DOES have welfare policies, they are simply terribly inefficient and wasteful because they are all half-assed
>>75159200
>>75159320
>mfw roles have changed
>>75158533
Because I already have parents.
I don't need the government to be my parent as well.
>>75158533
its the squinty eyed crypto kike trump versus the nebishy kike sanders... pick your poison gentiles...as usual
the imperial big nose pharacees khazar inbred supremacist kikes like trump way too much... he is an agent provocateur like the crypto sephardi Hitler, who created the controlled opposition known as nazis to assist the zionist goal of herding jews to the globalist banker invented pseudo country named israel/palestine
all while justifying and normalizing the demonization of several gentile butterheaded stupid blondes and fat soulless gingers considered roundfaced PIEfaced proto indo european trash by the bird faced and rat faced imperial ethnocratic oligarchy dominating and raping all indigenous groups into a world full of half kikes tainted with several genetic defects from their inbred sires and leading to a genetic drift that will cause genetic bottleneck
ANTIthhhhhEMITISM IS WRONG!!!
anti-shiksagoyim is wrong too, you dont want to kick too much dirt on the PIEfaced proto indo european cheeseeater gentile pigs... just try to subdue them with constant subtle negativity and self destructive suggestions wrapped up as jokes... mainly distract them from the rivers of lethe lead and mercury they drink and the perfidy/usury system of economic oppression analizing their society...ol kike buddy :)
heil yidsreal! sterilize all ethiopean semites, murder all yemeni semites and blame all afghan "beni israeli" semites for 9-11 to cover for our saudi big nosed, pharacees, khazar, long faced inbred master race cousins... cause we arrr soooo smawwwwwt
gazaga kike jews with the imperial big nose blood seem much more genocidal from their khazar pharacees heritage ..i believe it is all phrenological...behavior literally connected to their nose size, the sociopath gene, the pervert gene...all tied in to schnoz, like a silver back gorilla or a grasshopper turned locust maybe some environmental factor has awakened an ancient "genetic switch" the kike switch
>>75158533
>Free college
Isn't it true that anyone that wants university education can get it in America? They just take a few loans and pay back a percentage of their income once they start working. Seems like a better system than "tax EVERYONE so Stacy can get her degree in women's studies".
>>75176159
There are community colleges that anyone can get into and aren't that expensive. Also plenty of opportunities with student loans, grants, etc.
>>75161026
>Source?
Last 100 years + most of the Roman Republic/Empire. Welfare is about removing competition by getting rid of jobs and making people dependent on slave labor.
Face it: your ideological fairly-land is fake. In the real world - clouded by taking red and blue pills - political actions actually have causes that run deeper and baser than ideology because ideology can change but power can't. For instance:
>The Great Society was a means to getting rid of blacks Roman-style(decadence) while protecting unions from them
>Police "racism" is a tactic for keeping blacks out of the workforce. Sanders won't even call it what it is because he's a bitch to the status quo
>Global Warming is an excuse for neocolonialism
>Abortion is only legal because urban centers like preventing population growth from forcing needed changes to cities
>Gun Control is about protecting organized crime so that criminals don't compete and everyone suffers
>Public Schools, in urban areas, intentionally don't educate since smart kids would challenge the status quo(inb4 "hurr durr, blacks da problem": Duluth is proof that "Black" schools and neighborhoods can exist without blacks)
>Illegal immigrants are slaves
Sanders is a fag trying to use frustration with the system as a means of getting a bigger chunk for himself. If he had any compassion, he's die a martyr in a public suicide after admitting that everything i'm saying right now is true.
I hope you wannabe communist pieces of shit get to experience communism one day
Maybe then you'll shut the fuck up about it
>>75158533
His 5 year plan will cost an estimated 15 TRILLION dollars. Compare that to this years complete budget of 4 trillion dollars. So, to enact Bernard's plan, we would essentially be doubling the budget each year. Meaning that taxes would be doubled. Not just for the "rich" but for everyone. But I would assume that OP is a poorfag that pays no taxes each year, so of course this wouldn't affect him.
>>75176546
Based on what I read on MIT's site, they admit people without looking at their income level, then they give people financial assistance based on their level of need. Seems pretty awesome.
>>75175793
They don't, he's just a memer.
>>75161147
>Read a book nigger,
You realize that blatant racism is supported by the urban status quo, right? You realize that you're helping the liberals when you keep dividing the southern diaspora from each other and, albeit to a lesser extent, from the north?
Don't you ever wonder why fags like that "merchant minute" asshole(who I'd love to see beaten to death) is only able to have a platform without being banned on Youtube(despite trolling being bannable)?
Quit playing their game since you'll never get rid of the blacks but the urban centers will get rid of all of us if we don't unite. The blacks are the knife at the throat of the elites. Quit backstabbing our greatest allies(and Europe's greatest nightmares).
In "everything is free" land what incentives any of the free services to actually be at all efficient?
Why do you not move to venezula?
>>75176735
looks like you fail at basic maths burger
>>75161466
>infrastructure
The only infrastructure that Sanders wants to build is urban infrastructure... the same shit Obama did.
>>75159200
Why should people be equal? Why should I work my ass off, put blood and tears trying to improve my life via hard work, only to have 50% and more of it taken from me and given to some lazy piece of shit that does nothing all day, takes no risks, but still feels entitled to my money?
People are not equal, nor should they be, ESPECIALLY not if it means bringing everyone else down with them.
>>75175895
Anyone who's actually lived through communism or has at least felt the effects communism has had on one's country/people knows that communism is a cancer
>>75175793
You walk into a Department of Motor Vehicles.
You get a license.
You walk over to the welfare office.
They have Spanish speakers to help you.
You show them your driver's license.
You tell them your children are hungry.
You go rent a place that charges by a % of your income.
You send money to Guadalajara for your cousins to make the trip to America.
Rinse
Repeat
>>75160939
>How are they under qualified if they have educations? Also, even if having free public college didn't do anything to help employment, isn't having a more educated population a good thing?
You fag! Urban areas(i.e. those population sinks you have 100% loyalty towards) don't want competition. If unions, elites, and workers don't want, and have thus far resisted, blacks becoming part of the system, then you can bet your ass that they will ensure that the only way in Hell everyone's getting a college degree is if most degrees are useless shit like "feminist weaving" or "grass picking".
Face it fag: saying "Sanders will give me X, so he's nice" doesn't mean shit because he clearly can't give you X and won't. His loyalties are to the systems that would have to literally die in order to create an America where "free" education could get everyone educated.
Oh, wait, you can't give anyone jack shit because you're too much of a puss to stand up to your own people.
>>75177470
*tips Atlas Shrugged*
Anyway, answer is because you don't live and create in a vacuum, and because helping your compatriots is an obligation.
Now I'm not saying you should give money to people who don't wanna work, that's retarded.
>>75160968
>They'll just be debating the solution to the problems not what is or isn't a problem like El Trumpo did with the roboticans
1) You're clearly a hillaryfag so die. We know about what you're doing in Virginia MN with those telemarketers
2) The status quo must die for change. Hitler killed the status quo while Sanders and Trump love it and think it'll magically become malleable when they get into office.
>>75176700
>I hope you wannabe communist pieces of shit get to experience communism one day
They won't. They're fighting for urbanism and urbanism's corrupt elite, not communism.
>>75163283
Oi! Mohammed, I thought you Muslims liked hard work?
>>75158854
We live in a socialist country already friend, I am taxed 40%, even with Bernies retarded kike plans we would be taxed more.
I support Trump heavily.
>>75177713
>Anyway, answer is because you don't live and create in a vacuum, and because helping your compatriots is an obligation.
You're implying that there's only one way: something that probably seems true to you considering you're probably a worthless unitary state that thinks that its capital city is somehow more equal than the rest.
>Now I'm not saying you should give money to people who don't wanna work, that's retarded.
Actually, you are. You're saying that people should give money to a government system that has no incentive to change and adapt. For that reason, you are demanding that they give money to subsidize idleness so long as it keeps the blacks from going anywhere.
>>75178098
>We live in a socialist country already friend, I am taxed 40%, even with Bernies retarded kike plans we would be taxed more.
That's because the UK isn't going to let you develop.
>>75177713
I don't mind helping out small businesses, the disabled or elderly and so on. I'd be perfectly happy if that were the case.
What's actually happening is that I'm paying 35% of the money I earn, and ALSO pay 15% on all profits my company makes, while also having over 250 people in my employ. Those massive swathes of my money get sent to several locations, most into the shithead Presidents pockets, and maybe 5% get sent into "social programmes", which is just giving lazy, entitled shits handouts because "it's unfair that I have money and they don't!".
Who cares that I supply 250+ people with jobs, right? Who cares that I end up in a loss almost every 4 years because of the bullshittery the government tries to pull with my taxes, who cares that I've put my entite life on the line for this business, and it happened to go well, the important bit is that I'm evil for working hard and not being a retard with my finances.
>>75178278
>blacks
No blacks here so I don't give a fuck about that my friend.
Anyway I'm seriously tired of discussing with Americans who try to convince me that things that can work in America can work in small threatened nations.
To each his own. Bye.
>>75159606
>That's simply a racist, unsupported opinion of yours.
Go look at minority use of welfare benefits. Niggers, being 14% of the population, take up way more than their fair share. So do hispanics, especially those here illegally who pay nothing in taxes.
How does any Bernout seriously believe anything they say?
Are they just young? Is that it?
>>75179167
Don't worry, the day they get their first paycheck (for working, not waiting in line) is the day most of them change their minds quicksmart about it
>>75178696
>most into the shithead Presidents pockets
Corruption is something else. I would give out draconian punishments for that.
>Who cares that I supply 250+ people with jobs, right?
Exactly. But could you do business without 250 people? That's how society works. Everyone contributes something. It's very easy to just observe your own interest and contributions.
>social programmes
Again, depends what are we talking about. I don't support shit like giving people who don't want to work but can money.
But spending is something that can be fine-tuned, principles can't.
>>75177067
How does that fail at math Mohammed? 15 trillion dollars over 5 years = 3 trillion a year of extra spending added to the additional baseline budget of 4 trillion = almost doubled, because and additional 3 trillion is 75% of 4 trillion. Am I going to fast for you? Now be a good muzzle and find a French woman to rape, or start a riot.
>>75158533
Bans on "assault weapons" and providing healthcare to illegal immigrants are two big problems I have with him.
>>75179271
But that's another meme people here spout. My dad pays 35% of taxes his whole life, and I never heard him cry about it. And he works a hard, physical job. He's well paid, but still. On top of that he often gives money for charity purposes. So no, not everyone is like you imagine, sorry. Of course he criticizes our mafia government, but I never heard him shit on taxes as taxes.
As long as taxes are not wasted, taxation is okay, because in the end society as whole profits and that includes you too. Government spending is a better way to solve some problems.
Of course, it's a matter of balance. You can't tax people to death.
>>75180111
Ne verujem da ti je cale komunjara. O komunistima sam pricao.
U sustini me boli kurac, ali kad vidim Amere da komentarisu kako bi voleli da im kradu pare, to me malo iznervira
>>75172364
>le small number of sex change operations bankrupting the country
Go look up how much sexual reassignment surgery costs right now, in a free-ish market.
It's $50,000+ for surgery and nonstop hormone treatment, per patient, who still have insanely high suicide rates after getting their dicks inverted into "vaginas."
Do you really think that the price will go down when doctors have an abundance of trannies walking into their clinics with government-subsidized plans? A blank check for a sex change?
>Small tax on wall street speculation will pay for it
Fuck off, I'm trying to make money
>>75158533
Ever heard of capital flight?
Look at all the celebrities threatening to go to Canada if Trump wins. What makes you think these Wall Street guys won't do the same?
>>75175793
http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers
>>75175890
>they are simply terribly inefficient and wasteful because they are all half-assed
wanna know why they are half assed? they are done by the goiverment
>>75176139
>imperial big nose pharacees khazar inbred supremacist kikes like trump way too much
ok soros
>>75158533
If you think a tiny tax on Muh wall st will cover all of college you're retarded
>>75158533
Humans are greedy. Is that a feature or a bug? Is that exclusive to capitalism or do we find it in socialism as well?
