Many commentators have argued that Donald Trump’s dominance in the GOP presidential race can be largely explained by ignorance; his candidacy, after all, is most popular among Republican voters without college degrees. Their expertise about current affairs is too fractured and full of holes to spot that only 9 percent of Trump’s statements are “true” or “mostly” true, according to PolitiFact, whereas 57 percent are “false” or “mostly false”—the remainder being “pants on fire” untruths. Trump himself has memorably declared: “I love the poorly educated.”
But as a psychologist who has studied human behavior—including voter behavior—for decades, I think there is something deeper going on. The problem isn’t that voters are too uninformed. It is that they don’t know just how uninformed they are.
Psychological research suggests that people, in general, suffer from what has become known as the Dunning-Kruger Effect. They have little insight about the cracks and holes in their expertise. In studies in my research lab, people with severe gaps in knowledge and expertise typically fail to recognize how little they know and how badly they perform. To sum it up, the knowledge and intelligence that are required to be good at a task are often the same qualities needed to recognize that one is not good at that task—and if one lacks such knowledge and intelligence, one remains ignorant that one is not good at that task. This includes political judgment.
We have found this pattern in logical reasoning, grammar, emotional intelligence, financial literacy, numeracy, firearm care and safety, debate skill, and college coursework. Others have found a similar lack of insight among poor chess players, unskilled medical lab technicians, medical students unsuccessfully completing an obstetrics/gynecology rotation, and people failing a test on performing CPR.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-supporters-dunning-kruger-effect-213904#ixzz49hCwHa6X
>>75079548
>Politico
>>75079548
>only 9 percent of Trump’s statements are “true” or “mostly” true, according to PolitiFact
>politifact
into the trash
>maybe if I call them stupid they won't vote
Try something that hasn't been done already.
Totally worthless shilling.
Saged.
>>75079548
>Republican voters without college degrees
Surely a group significantly less intelligent than Democrat voters with Gender Studies degrees.
meme effect. I could say the same thing about any liberals I disagree with
>>75079548
Its the weekly "explanation" of why Trump is so popular episode
>>75079548
>voters are generally uninformed, don't understand their candidate's policies vote mostly with feelings/identity/shallow stereotypes but like to hink of themselves as perfectly rational and well informed.
Yeah, that's an argument against democracy maybe, or does that moron believe that Bernie/Hillary voters are any more reasonable than the average Trump supporter?
>calls others stupid while citing Politi""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Fact"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
The author proved the Dunning-Kruger effect is real.
>voters are generally uninformed, don't understand their candidate's policies vote mostly with feelings/identity/shallow stereotypes but like to think of themselves as perfectly rational and well informed.
Must be talking to Hillary supporters
>>75079548
I think it's hilarious that a politico writer is invoking the Dunning-Kruger effect.
The only people suffering from that here are "political commentators" trying to rationalize why Trump is shitting all over them.
>>75079548
>according to PolitiFact,
bullshit.
>>75079548
>Dunning-Kruger Effect
Literally a reddit meme for pseudointellectuals.
>>75079548
Jesus christ this is so incredibly condescending.
>psychology, intelligence, and iq are only real when it applies to dumb white southerners!!
>>75079629
based Moldova
>>75079548
>his candidacy, after all, is most popular among Republican voters without college degrees
You forgot the part where the vast majority of college degrees are in the social sciences, which doesn't say anything about intelligence or academic achievement. If you for example go to a physics or chemistry department you will see much higher support for conservatives and even more so for libertarians.
>>75079602
as /pol/ loves to say these days:
Not an argument
Conservatives tend to be more informed about politics than liberals when it comes to actual information.
Half of liberals probably can't even name the speaker of the house.
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>>75080722
The Dunning-Kruger effect is strong in these ones.
I think it's more of the contrarian effect going on with Trump as to why he's doing do well. All Trump had to do was tap into the anti-political correctness anger that's been building in the general public for years and here we are today.
>>75079548
Alternatively, people are just getting tired of politicians pandering to irrelevant majorities because they have forgotten who really owns the US.
>>75080858
wow! they have wifi at refugee shelters now, ahmed?
>>75080310
This
What's wrong with being uninformed?
Don't be a classist bigot.
>>75080821
That is an agument because politico and politi fact are blatantly left wing websites.
I remember a statistic was once presented on politifact that men who are transgender kill themselves more frequently and the reason it was labeled incorrect was that "transgender women are not men"
It's literally just a liberal talking points trash heap
>>75080858
The Dung-Kebab effect is strong in this one
Oh the irony
>“true” or “mostly” true, according to PolitiFact
>according to PolitiFact
The irony of using PolitiFact as a source in an article talking about ignorance and lack of information.
>>75081063
Even liberal lezzer Rachel Maddow knows PolitiFact is trash.
>>75079548
>politifact
Get fucked. The name is an oxymoron when you view their content.
Trump polls well with everyone, not just "stupid uneducated CIS white racist males without fender studies degrees".
Terrible.
>Trump supporters are dumb dumbs!!!
Yeah we have seen this before.
>>75080603
Nah, there is some truth to it, it is just almost always brought by the people it actually applies to.
Your average moron on the street is mostly aware that he is not the brightest candle, it is the pseudo-intellectuals who bought themselves some useless degree and thinks it makes them a genius who constantly fall into that trap.
>>75081063
>it hurts my feelings therefore its not true
i realize that dipshits like you unironically consume non-peer reviewed heritage foundation studies as irrefutable truth, so there isn't really anything i can say to change your mind. i'm sure you read breitbart as fair and balanced "news"
>Went to Wharton
>Licensed attorney
>Work at top think tank in the world in my field
>Support Trump
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>>75080967
Funny story on this one: There were a decent amount of cucks who opened up their wifi so that refugees could use it.
Lots of them were slammed with lawsuits because the poor traumatized refugees used the chance to torrent the most recent movies.
>>75079548
>Republican voters without college degrees
Are they seriously saying that having a college degree these days is still a measure of intelligence?
I'd rather trust someone who learned a trade on their own or an apprenticeship than a product of modern safe-space, trigger-warning affirmative action academia.
>>75080858
>projecting
In other news, Politiact is shit.
It's staffed by Penn undergrads. I was a cuck that had to work there for projects when I had com classes at Annenberg.
>>75079792
Most republicans like myself take up a trade where we ironically take more maths and sciences than the democrat with a phd in theater. So I really hate the college degree meme because education is not the same thing as intelligence
>>75079548
Surely this will make Trump supporters adanbon ship.
lol, they don't know that we don't care that he is full of shit all the time. We like him for it.
>>75079548
>Politi'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''Fact'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
>>75081587
>I'd rather trust someone who learned a trade on their own or an apprenticeship than a product of modern safe-space, trigger-warning affirmative action academia.
protip: academia as a whole isn't represented by memes you've been consuming on /pol/ during your formative years.
>>75080858
You are really claiming these institutions hold no political bias?
Also, didn't they recently poll and show that the percentage of non educated voters for trump was higher than 9% oh yeah
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/5-myths-about-trump-supporters-220158
>>75079548
>politico.com
You actually expect me to take your source literally. Get a think tank not a marxist echo chamber.
>>75080821
Fuck off oregonfag, no one thinks you are important.
>>75081860
>not an argument
>>75079548
>muh Dunning-Kruger
Fuck off with this nonsense
>>75081860
>liberal college brainwashing isn't real
If you've been to any college in the last 10 years you would know the brainwashing is real. Even if you major in STEM they'll still make you take credits for "multicultural competence" or something
I'm more inclined to believe people who can actually think for themselves
>>75082068
are you dense? i couldnt have said it any more clearer. fringe groups from the faggy pictures you save on 4chan != reality.
you rag on college as not being actually "intellectual" or whatever the fuck you want to call it, meanwhile falling back on "not an argument" as a cop-out. i'm sure the irony is lost on you.
>>75079548
>PolitiFact
>>75082305
i graduated in 2010. of course there are plenty of lunatics on college campuses, but they are a small minority unless you attend some 1000 student cesspool like oberlin.
it's pretty clear you are just rationalizing why you are still a pathetic NEET living like a parasite in mommy's house
/pol/ largely consists of retards? STOP THE PRESSES
Fuck Politico.
Fuck "experts"
Fuck smartass crypto-communists.
I would rather be governed by 400 random names from the phone book than by the faculty of MIT
>>75082305
It's in local public schools as well. Not just college. Anyone saying otherwise is either an idiot or being disingenuous
>>75082330
>still not an argument
>>75080310
This lol.. Politifact is demonstrably biased .. They rate trumps statements as lies when it offends them
>>75079548
Pundits still can't get it that people vote for Trump because of his policies.
Anti illegal immigration, America First, Anti NAFTA/TPP policies.
Actually, some do get it, they know. But it would be against their interests to voice this. So they lie instead.
Trump has tremendous support among educated people as well. Lower than his average though because:
1. Liberal arts considered as education while in effect they are an indoctrination camp for the fascist liberal disciplines.
This produces people who are counted as 'educated' for the sake as statistics while the reality could not be further from that.
2. higher educated people tend to spend more time consuming the poison that is the media propaganda machine. in effect making their decisions less educated.
>>75080588
seriously?
how come politifact is beeing cited so much in the media, when they obviously lie all the time?
>>75079548
>using the heavy biased Politifact as a source
You know, I really hate that just because some people don't have a college degree, that apparently gives people who majored in gender studies or even worse, psychology, a say in what the undereducated should believe because they are "educated". Some of the highest ranked people my in my college are complete fucking morons when it comes to the way the world works. The writer of this article is no different, I bet he doesn't know the amount of which tax payers spend to let illegal immigrant stay here, nor why having a strong national identity is a good thing. There is a reason their country is shit and ours is not. He can take his Dunning-Kruger effect and shove it up his ass, he's just as uneducated as anyone else.
>>75081964
OP here.
I wasn't going to post at all, but this post here just blew me away with how stupid it is.
First off, this article isn't a "source." It is essentially one psychologist's view of the matter in article form. Second, I never posted it as a "source." I posted it because I found it amusing that politico actually went there, and I thought it would be fun to see /pol/'s reaction. Finally, think tanks are fine, but they aren't the objective source of truth that you seem to think they are. Many have agendas or are slanted in one direction or another by their funding sources.
So this post was so incredibly stupid that I simply had to break my silence to address it. Kill yourself.
>>75082640
awww, is babby triggered that somebody invaded his "safe space"?
>>75079548
>politifact
>>75079548
Trump is great. Hopefully his rule will show the fucktards we have in the "far right"- movement way of winning and putting the nation and the people FIRST
TRUMP!
>>75082937
>especially not an arguement
>>75082762
>b-but educated people are less educated I SWEAR
>We as Democrats stand for the poor blue collar uneducated underclass who is unfairly represented in our country's political system.
>LOL LOOK AT THESE TRUMP SUPPORTERS I BET THEY'RE ALL UNEDUCATED POOR PEOPLE
>>75082833
Wasn't there reliable UN data showing that 60-70% of the migrants were men?
This politi'fact' isn't ignorant, it's blatant lying.
http://www.politifactbias.com/
You have to go back... to the trash.
>>75080769
>You forgot the part where the vast majority of college degrees are in the social sciences, which doesn't say anything about intelligence or academic achievement.
THIS
>>75082833
Here's the rub. Out of the total that's true. Out of those entering Europe it's not true
>>75079548
So basically the more you think your not affected by something, the more your actually affected? I call bullshit.
>>75082468
>le mommy basement meme
Fuck off. I majored in chemistry and for my "cultural credits" I tried to just take philosophy and still ended up with some bull dyke telling me how none of aristotles ideas really mattered because he was a dead white male
Modern academia is a complete liberal circle jerk and anyone who doesn't see it is blind
>>75079548
>voters without degrees in gender studies should literally not have jobs, not be allowed to vote, and starve to death, and not complain about any of it.
LITERALLY YOU
>>75083035
Yes, women studies and general degree teaches you less than learning to work as a mechanic, electrician or a plumber.
Objectively a person who spent 3 years studying Chinese poetry at some meme collage is less educated then the above.
>>75083668
>le all degrees are gender studies maymay
It's not even in the top 10 for women.
http://www.collegeatlas.org/top-degrees-by-gender.html
>>75079548
Or,.. it's NOT the Dunning Kruger effect?
:)
>>75083717
Degrees you personally dislike don't make them less valuable you fucking retard
>>75083895
Not but the amount of money that can be earned with said degree makes them less valuable.
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>>75082468
Oh why won't we look at the stats turns out POLITICO IS WRONG
Trump and Hillary share the same % of WHITE educated people. This is the latest ABC/WoPo poll posted on RCP.
Of course Blacks and Hispanics were not included in this poll, that would show that the % of educated people supporting Hillary is lower than Trump.
>>75084042
>moving the goalposts
Isn't the term 'uneducated' just a poorly used term for blue collar workers? Who are actually more realistically educated by life them the liberal progressives with an "education"?
FLY ON HEAD
>>75083895
Teaching garbage and no standards to graduate makes them so though.
>>75079548
>according to PolitiFact
well there's your problem right there.
>>75084248
>muh anecdotal infactual """""opinion"""""
>>75079548
Oh come on, you have to try harder than that.
>>75079548
>(((Psychologist)))
Or, could it be that Trump is backlash for liberals and their over the top SJW shit? /pol/ for instance is very well informed and knows that Trump is a liar and flip flopper, they know all of his scandals, policies etc. and still support him.
>>75084405
Electrical engineering degree requires more intelligence than women's studies. That's a fact.
But I guess for liberals nothing is fact, and everything is a spectrum.
>>75084729
>But I guess for liberals nothing is fact, and everything is a spectrum.
Yeah, and you're on it
>>75084204
Nigs not only uneducated but jobless and vote Democrat but this never comes but by libshits because it goes against the narrative
>>75083895
Not all college degrees are equal you moron. There are objective standards based on real world application or use for education. Gender Studies is useless in every facet of life so I would not call someone with a Gender Studies degree "educated." Also educated in a general sense usually means a broad range of foundational knowledge.
>>75084791
>>75084791
>he graduated with a women's studies degree
Don't be mad, I'm sure you're good enough to be a secretary.
>>75080769
This.
BA is the new high school diploma, a BA holder shouldn't count as educated.
If anything, learning a trade instead of getting a shitty 3-year degree shows you have foresight and concrete plans about your future.
>>75081805
Do I have to clarify when I'm being sarcastic?
>>75079548
>politifact
Immediately fucking discarded
>>75079548
it's a lefties are intelligent not indoctrinated thread
Typical women and fag shit
Oh no you don't know why you do or like X it's actually because of this thing, just trust me on this one
>>75084922
Forget it, it's just an Arab shitposting.
Better he blows his load here than in a subway station.
>>75079548
>People voting for Hillary only because she's a woman
Perfectly fine
>Dont have a masters degree, but agree with Trump
Not okay.
Whatever America. Cant wait till your stupid election is over and done with. Not even Vince McMahon could come up with such retardedness as this campaign is delivering daily.
>>75083895
Scroll through Anita Sarkeesian's MA thesis and says that again, idiot:
https://www.docdroid.net/cvxoW36/anita-ma-thesis.pdf.html
>>75079548
>It is that they don’t know just how uninformed they are.
Faggot liberals and kikes just can't take that their ideas are fucking horrible and they can't subvert people anymore.
>>75079548
>Noooo, they're stupid and wrong
>But not if they want to vote for the other candidate
>>75085713
>Master of Social and Political Thought
why
>>75080631
This. Every one of these pseudo-intellectual articles that is released does little but reaffirm in the minds of those supporting Trump that they have, in fact, made the correct decision.
>M-MAYBE IF WE CALL TRUMP SUPPORTERS STUPID THEY WON'T VOTE FOR HIM
Jesus fuck this is getting pathetic.
>>75079548
>politifact
>fact
Thanks for the hearty kek
>>75079548
No one has pointed out that this was written by the guy who has his name on Dunning-Kruger...(David Dunning).
