a united Earth with amazing technology, no unemployment, a Moon defense station etc.
All because of a socialist one world government dictatorship which controls Earth and put every last resources into a single goal: to prepare Earth for a new battle against aliens.
Isn't it actually realistic that if we had a single goal as a species which involves our survival, we could end wars, poverty, unemployment etc. and create a massive push for technology, advancements, war tech etc.?
Or in other words, is this type of worldwide "national" socialism possible?
>>75075912
This isn't the fantasy board.
>>75076139
>This isn't the fantasy board.
The US went from depression in 1939 to full employment in 1943 in 3-4 years... with massive socialist spending and mobilization.
My point is, why can't we do it again? Why can't we invent a situation like Independence Day 2 and tell people that in 20 years aliens will invade and we have to unite and build a defense grid.
NO more unemployment, no more poverty, a massive surge to technology etc.
>>75076511
>The US went from depression in 1939 to full employment in 1943 in 3-4 years... with massive socialist spending and mobilization.
The US was also a much more homogenized and patriotic society in the 30s and 40s. Nowadays, liberal cucks would call us racist and bigots for not wanting to welcome our "extraterrestrial family" to the planet.
>>75076511
Because this kind of economic system isn't sustainable over the long term. The only reason the US exited WWII as a global Superpower was that the rest of the world was in ruins, and the US counted for over 50% of the planet's GDP. If the war was just slightly less destructive our economy would have been toast in the aftermath.
>>75075912
>Socialism
It's Starship Troopers fascism, and I'm totally ok with that.
Can't wait to apply for citizenship
>>75075912
There are more poor poo in loos in India without toilets than there are Americans in the states.
There is not enough wealth to go around
>>75077532
>there's only one race: the organic race
>>75075912
what you aren't seeing is the undesirables and revolts being brutally dealt with.
>>75075912
>ID 1
XCOM: Enemy Unknown
>ID2
XCOM 2
No need to see the movie people, you've probably already played it
>>75078303
We still can unite under a lax totalitarian world government against a single threat though.
I believe it is possible,
>>75078032
>as a global Superpower was that the rest of the world was in ruins, and the US counted for over 50% of the planet's GDP.
What does this have to do with sustainability? In 1943, the US had full employment, did quantum leaps in technology and had massive GDP growth.
Why would that not be sustainable? What would prevent it from being sustainable?
>>75078318
>what you aren't seeing is the undesirables and revolts being brutally dealt with.
Why would there be revolts? They have work, why would they be undesirable? We would need every single shitskin, every single poo in the loo, every single Mexican, every single gook and chink to do his duty.
>>75075912
>s that the rest of the world was in ruins, and the US counted for over 50% of the planet's GDP.
>What does this have to do with sustainability? In 1943, the US had full employment, did quantum leaps in technology and had massive GDP growth.
The reason it would work is because humans love a good war. If we united together as things are now, we'd eventually break down again, probably in a worse state than we are now.
In this fantasy movie, the humans are united against a common enemy that is more different than the differences between humans.
The socialism only works because of the xenophobia in the movie.
>>75078603
You have any world government there are still gonna be people who are pissed at it for something.
>>75075912
It's a fantascientific movie. Nothing else
>>75078683
>In this fantasy movie, the humans are united against a common enemy that is more different than the differences between humans.
>The socialism only works because of the xenophobia in the movie.
That is my whole point. If we invented an alien invasion which is supposed to happen in 20 years and would kill us all, would world national socialism work?
>>75076511
This New Deal lie needs to stop. Many of the programs put barely a dent in unemployment and many were ended before they even began. What ended the depression was WWII.
>>75079043
I don't know if it would work, but i would like to see them try.
>>75075912
Restructure the Earth under the Imperium of man, with a central God-Ruler (real or otherwise it really doesn't matter) and absolute authority. Everyone is unified by faith and zenophobia. Dissidents are crushed and anyone who is unable to contribute cannot breed. By default whites would be the majority within a few generations as the lesser races die off.
>>75079140
What will end this depression will be WW3
>>75075912
These ideas have thoroughly been explored in both specialist and mainstream literature. We are actually closer to this than people might think. We have international trade agreements like the WTO for which national borders do not exist in practical terms. We have multi-state agreements like the European Union in which free settlement and work is already fact. With the US, we already have a global superpower that keeps a power monopoly somewhat tight in its hands.
I might take a few decades or centuries to fully abolish the old notion of national borders, but it'll happen sooner or later. And the development will purely be driven by economic considerations, politics will only cover or wrap around that fact to make it palatable to the people.
Unless people successfully demand a new economic system that is not based on eternal growth, then the bets would be off. But I don't see that happening.
If you want a world government you need a common enemy to fight, . Then people will make everthing to creat a world governament to fight aliens. But after the war, humans are going to kill eachother again but with robots and shit. You dont fix anything just make things worse.
The threat of massive alien invasion tends to focus one's collective priorities.
However the movie will no doubt still be about "MURICA!".
>>75075912
the farther your government is away from you the less say you have in its goals
>>75075912
Duh.
>>75075912
Sounds pretty fuckin gay desu
>>75075912
>Isn't it actually realistic
Sure. That's basically what the major combatants did during WWII. $20 trillion per year to gear up for a global fight would do some interesting things.
>>75078477
Because we wouldn't be constantly working to produce massive amounts of weaponry and war-related materials, you moron.
>>75078837
>It's a fantascientific movie. Nothing else
Maybe to an untrained pleb eye that's all that is. But for experts it's much more than that. For them it's a propaganda to brainwash and push weak-minded people towards one world government.
>>75078477
War makes BIG MONEY.
This cannot be understated.
>>75079448
More MURICA' FUCK YEA with less bitchy Will Smith is ok in my book.
>>75076511
Yet another genius that confuses socialism and socialist with social programs under capitalism.
Socialism profit is outlawed and private property is outlawed everything is managed by the state.. doesn't work neither does communism.. look at venezuela for a recent example of a failed socialist state.
>>75075912
Capitalist space businesses and pirates is significantly better.
>>75075912
It's a fantasy. That's why it's in a movie. Any worldwide agreement is unfeasible.
In reality you'd probably have people asking for aliens to rape and mass murder the Earth while others struggle to fend them off.
>guys, don't you want some more socialism!
NO, GO AWAY!
>>75079752
>Because we wouldn't be constantly working to produce massive amounts of weaponry and war-related materials, you moron.
Why not?
>>75080452
Resources on this planet are finite?
Hitler should have won ww2
>>75075912
>All because of a socialist one world government dictatorship which controls Earth and put every last resources into a single goal: to prepare Earth for a new battle against aliens.
It is called fascism, by the way.
Another textbook example of it is star trek universe.
>>75080078
>everything is managed by the state.
Where does it say that "everything" is managed by the state in socialism?
Socialism can be mixed with capitalism. Socialism means that the means of production are controlled by the state. Control can be exercised via many different way, via regulations, taxes, people in charge... or state owned companies. Apparently, you never even read Karl Marx.
>>75080247
>Any worldwide agreement is unfeasible.
Who said anything about a "worldwide agreement"? A worldwide government would have to be an authoritarian dictatorship for sure.
>>75080580
>Resources on this planet are finite?
What resources are finite that would not allow us to build big weapons for 20 years.
>>75075912
Of course everyone would unite when all the big cities worldwide were nuked by ayyliens.
>>75080028
ID4 is more like HUMANITY FUCK YEAH.
>>75080660
no, socialism can't be mixed with capitalism.. social PROGRAMS can be mixed with capitalism.. socialism is its own system.. that outlaws profit and private property.. And since you can't have private property for your business the state controls all production..
Your own statement even shows this contradiction.. socialism and capitalism are diametrically opposed..
social programs to help the needy or unfortunate has nothing to do with socialist or socialism..
>>75080787
We are talking about reverse engineering space alium technology here. Probably needed some rare shit that makes things glow blue.
>>75080873
(cont) you're guilty of the phonic fallacy.. social program and socialism are NOT THE SAME.. it's two different worlds.. they sound similar because they each contain social but their definitions are completely different! A common mistake of the unaware.
>>75078464
>unite under a lax totalitarian world government
Please wake me up.
>>75080737
Still nations would have to agree not to revolt. Who'd have so much power to subjugate the whole world into submission?
>>75075912
This is quite literally how fascism/national socialism works.
Replace aliens with Jews or Bolshevik and you can turn your society into a true economic power with no degeneracy
>>75076511
The real left as it exists today, asuming they still act the same in the future, would welcome our alien friends with open arms likely enslaving the human race forever. The sane people wanting to fight the aliens would probably be called specist or bigots.
If earth wants to survive in the universe we must become Warhammer 40K soon
>>75075912
>is this type of worldwide "national" socialism possible?
For fascism to work, external binding threat is needed, like iraqi terrorists, jews, palestinians etc.
So it makes perfect sense to fabricate an alien 9/11 style attack on world capitals with some exotic weapons to justify the creation of world government.
>>75081006
See, i don't think many people would be against a "World government" or even EU type of thing if it actually respected soverign states and celebrated everyone's different cultures, hence OP is saying "if it was a national socialist world government"
>>75075912
Did cold war end hostility, poverty or unemployment in either of the blocks?
Neither would alien invasion.
>>75078134
I've already served. Am I automatically a citizen? (unless we assume that it's vets who found the new government as it was in the book, in which case moot point)
>>75076511
>What is WW1 and WW2: The Post
>>75076511
>Why can't we invent a situation like Independence Day 2 and tell people that in 20 years aliens will invade and we have to unite and build a defense grid.
Boy oh boy... What do you think is happening right now with all the rapefugees? They will do exactly that. It wont be "all of humanity" that unites against an outer evil. It will be all of the western worl uniting against the hordes of brown.
Hopefully.
>>75079329
The chinks would still keep pace with the whites. Say what you will, but the chinks are hard workers and don't mind a fight.
>>75079402
See: Enders Game and the follow up Shadow series
>>75082556
>don't mind a fight.
They cant really fight though.
I dont mind the chinks as long as they stay in their countries.
Sounds like what is a repeating theme in John Ringo's books.
http://www.johnringo.net/TheLibrary/TroyRising.aspx
>Troy Rising is a book in three parts—Live Free or Die being the first part—detailing the freeing of Earth from alien conquerors, the first steps into space using off-world technologies and the creation of Troy, a thousand trillion ton battlestation designed to secure the Solar System.
http://www.johnringo.net/TheLibrary/LegacyOfTheAldenata.aspx
> With the Earth in the path of the rapacious Posleen, the peaceful and friendly races of the Galactic Federation offer their resources to help the backward Terrans—for a price.
>Humanity now has three worlds to defend.
>As Earth's armies rush into battle and special operations units scout alien worlds, the humans begin to learn a valuable lesson: You can protect yourself from your enemies, but may the Lord save you from your allies.
> Our choice was simple: we could be cannon fodder, or we could be ... fodder. We could send our forces to fight and die (as only humans can) against a ravening horde that was literally feeding on its interstellar conquests—or remain as we were—virtually weaponless and third in line for brunch.
>We chose to fight.
>Thanks to alien technology and sheer guts, the Terrans on two worlds fought the Posleen to a standstill. Thank God there was a moment to catch our breath, a moment, however brief, of peace—
>Earth's Posleen invasion is contained—at a huge cost in human blood and anguish. Now hard-nosed commander Mike O'Neal discovers that he's saved our world only to unwittingly lead humanity into slavery. .
In the latter book series living SS-members are also rejuvenated to to fight the ayyyyy lmaos.
>>75075912
The more you feed the poor and hungry, the more they reproduce.
A socialist utopian one world government will only work if those who are not working are castrated so only productive members of society are allowed to reproduce and instill their values for hard work onto the next generation.
>>75076511
What is WWII, the birth of the military industrial complex, and the decimation of all industrial and economic competitors around the world?
>>75083264
http://www.johnringo.net/TheLibrary/LookingGlass/IntotheLookingGlass.aspx
>When a 60-kiloton explosion destroyed the University of Central Florida, and much of the surrounding countryside, the authorities first thought that terrorists had somehow obtained a nuclear weapon. But there was no radiation detected, and, when physicist Dr. William Weaver and Navy SEAL Command Master Chief Robert Miller were sent to investigate, they found that in the center of the destruction, where the University's physics department used to be, was an interdimensional gateway to . . . somewhere.
>Other, apparently less hostile, aliens emerged from other gateways, and informed Weaver and Miller that the demonic invaders-the name for them that humans could most easily pronounce was the "Dreen"-were a deadly blight across the galaxy, occupying planet after planet after wiping out all native life. Now it would be Earth's turn, unless Weaver and Miller could find a way to close the gateways. If they failed, the less belligerent aliens would face the regrettable necessity of annihilating the entire Earth to save their own worlds. . . .
It makes a lot of sense. The problem lies in the means the people use to bring about this world management system, and what kind of people would run this world. If everyone could keep their cultures, way of lives, ect, I think it would be great. If the world was just one big America we would accomplish much more.
>>75083280
Good point, based comic
>>75080247
A worldwide government is only unfeasible until our world has other worlds (or civilizations) to compete with. When we colonize Mars for example, and maybe a couple of other planets in the solar system a one world government becomes not only feasible, but necessary from both an economic and military perspective.
>>75078309
we have to kill the cucks before its too late
>>75081274
european hegemony
>>75080873
Not exactly. Social programs stem from socialist ideas (hence the "social" in their name). In a socialist state, not only are the means of production controlled by the state, but all the wealth generated from said means of production are supposed to be evenly distributed throughout society. The redistribution of wealth is exactly what social programs aim to achieve - social programs are socialist by nature.
>>75075912
It wouldn't work because the niggers wouldn't stop being niggers and the muslims wouldn't stop being muslim.
>>75075912
this will be greatest ayylmao kino for sure
>>75081205
Soon.
>>75079329
>Imperium of man
ok :^)
>>75080648
wait. I thought Star Trek was pseudo-socialist?
>>75082940
The wars with the most loss of human life all occurred in chink countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll
Keep in mind that during WWII the combined Jap and Chinese loss of life was far and above European loss of life.
>>75084884
>military government that issues credits for furthering the goals of the state
>>75084884
Star Trek is post-scarity society. They can re-arrange matter and store it as energy.
>>75084865
Can't believe paradox would remove that white only mod-
>swedish publisher
On second though, i can totally believe that.
>>75076511
socialism... its gonna work this time!
>>75085434
Well the thing is, whats the alternative if value of human labour becomes literal 0?
The kike banksters won in 1913 with the FED. then there was a GREAT CRASH requiring more FED manipulation.
Super
Convenient
Kikery
>>75085409
>humans
>xenophile
>fanatic individualist
>nomadic
>nigger womyn_*Xir as leader
you seem confused on how paracuck sees humans
A one world socialist government would be the greatest achievement of mankind and all you nationalist manbabies keep holding it back for petty reasons.
>b-but 1984
>>75078477
because europe was cannibalised to provide the growth in the USA.
>>75079043
So watchmen?
>>75078428
Aliens took over eaty in Xcom 2 and xcom is now a resistance group
>>75076511
Give this man a fucking nobel peace prize...
>>75085593
>Well the thing is, whats the alternative if value of human labour becomes literal 0?
Literally... you keep using that word...
If the value of human labor is nothing, then they GET NOTHING DIPSHIT.
There will always be value in human labor, its the fucking backbone of the economic system, forever. Your fucking robots will only work in shitskin jobs or maybe in the movie.
Brains = usefulness = money
Sorry the 3rd world IQ65 NIGGERS aint worth a fucking dime, maybe they have only been able to reproduce so much because of artificial selection caused by governmental manipulation?
Problem
Reaction
Solution
Socialism always ends with government genocide or complete collapse... Maybe study some history that wasn't re written by Bolshevik kikes?
>>75075912
As if this is something new, they just ripped it off of the federation in star trek.
A one world government will never work unless you can remove the human factor in governing.
Maybe some 100% quantum computer will be invented that can govern us all and make the correct decisions for the human race only based on facts.
>>75078477
because your country was in ruins you mong
>>75084411
>It wouldn't work because the niggers wouldn't stop being niggers and the muslims wouldn't stop being muslim.
Technology would inject white genes into niggers and Islam would be outlawed considering the aliens that attacked were Muslims.
>>75078477
Go read the news. Unchecked growths fucks up the planet (which we need to survive).
That said, saving the planet would be a good common goal.
Pity you just can't bomb Pandas into survival.
>>75085999
trips of truth. that's why only a death cult fascism would help against an imminent ayy invasion to prepare for the inevitable end of all human life.
>>75076511
Take over Europe so we can bomb you again.
It worked last time!
>>75075912
Yeah that's all fine and dandy, but the ones vying for it currently are out to poison us and destroy our minds. Take a look at your typical American urban/suburban family these days. They chug media like it's going out of style and they continually consume altered food until cancer or some other form of "incurable" disease sets in.
>>75079043
Yea humans could forget our petty squabbles and unite as a species against a common enemy, but it would take a real alien invasion like the first movie to convince people they were real.
>>75085999
>There will always be value in human labor, its the fucking backbone of the economic system, forever.
Nothing is forever. Literally.
>>75075912
Humans are selfish beings by nature. Everyone's goal is to top others. Its doesnt matter how good life is for everyone. For some people, as long as you live better than the others, then you have achieved your goal, in other words, its better to be a warlord in somalia than a middle class citizen in denmark or norway.
If political tendencies start going towards the former, lobbying kicks in.
>>75075912
If aliens invade white nationalists should join up with the aliens.
Who agrees.
>>75087045
>*the later, not the former
>>75075912
If you had a choice between a Jew or an alien only a cuck would not choose to side with the aliens.
Jews no aliens have come to save the White race that is why they are encouraging us to fight them.
>Socialist
>Socialist
>Socialist
>Inb4 this becomes a buzzword and triggering.
Does OP know how to use this word probably? I think not.
>>75076511
>Germany talking about the New Deal
Coming from the very same fucking country that flourished under NatSoc leadership. How about National Socialism instead?
This premise only works because the aliens destroyed every major city in the first movie.
Sure, if aliens came to earth and killed half the planet, it would literally be twice as easy to solve the problems of resource allocation and unemployment.
>>75075912
>what a real global socialist society would look like
>>75076139
THIS
Fuck off OP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvYmpCzScIw
>>75083264
>http://www.johnringo.net
saved
thanks mongolbro
>>75075912
With a common enemy, then global fascism would probably happen like that.
>>75075912
Regan said the exact same thing.
>>75075912
>worldwide "national"
>>75076139
that it is fantasy is incidental to the politics involved
>>75083594
>if europe was federal it would not be such a bad thing
no it wouldnt
but even usa has imperialistic tendencies
>>75075912
>Socialism
>No Unemployment
>Working
Time to stop posting Ahmed
>>75075912
>>75077532
>YOU'RE A FUCKING WHITE HUMAN
>#notallayylyumz
>>75083594
>If the world was just one big America we would accomplish much more.
>more school shootings
>more obesity
>more degeneracy
>>75075912
I fully agree OP. Been thinking like this since i were a kid
We should kill all niggers and jews and then focus on killing moon niggers
>>75075912
>Isn't it actually realistic that if we had a single goal as a species which involves our survival, we could end wars, poverty, unemployment etc. and create a massive push for technology, advancements, war tech etc.?
No because dumping all those resources into military Keynesianism will just lead to everyone but those select industries being much poorer.
>>75092595
kek
>>75076139
You are thinking the dictator would be Bill Pullman. In reality it would be a Nelson Mandela type who the Jews could control easily
>>75076511
>The US went from depression in 1939 to full employment in 1943 in 3-4 years... with massive socialist spending and mobilization.
Putting 12 million young men into uniform helps your unemployment figures no shot
But the American people were still wrought with the conditions of the depression with the added loss of having to deal with massive rationing of everything on everyone >>75079140
WWII didn't end the depression
>>75085665
>Not choosing the far superior xenophobic Commonwealth.
>>75095667
I rather play my space nazis :^)
>>75094604
Oh shit
Hol up
