>2016
>still not Catholic
Why aren't you Catholic yet, /pol/ ?
cause im not a fucking retard, and I live in the 21st century, not the middle ages.
>>74663922
I'm Orthodox.
But I like Catholicism a lot too. Catholics are bro-tier.
>>74663922
I was. But they told me lie is a sin. So I told the truth, I don't believe in that shit.
>>74663922
cuck religion, teaches you to be submissive
>>74664022
He says smugly as his ancestral homes are conquered and subjugated by the dark age hordes.
>>74663922
I can't believe in God.
I was born a Roman Catholic, I want to get back into it. Which bible version should I read?
Can I be a Catholic and despise the Pope?
>>74663922
Because I would kill myself before making it through a whole mass. Plus catholics are polytheist.
Because I don't like any religion.
>>74663922
because the once based church is now just a bunch of pedos
>>74664300
Canibals too
Because I don't believe in silly stories about resurrection and blood sacrifice from the Iron Age Era Levant.
But I attended a Catholic school, many of my friends are Catholic, I was raised by Catholics and I would consider myself "culturally Catholic" (except on abortion/gay marriage) but I don't believe in the stupid bullshit of the actual dogma
>>74663922
>muh current year
>>74663922
>>74663922
>>74663922
because i cant be bothered to look for and join any sedevacantist sects. i hear certain people have drawn the line at the second vatican council but i cant find them either
because Vatican II has destroyed the church and elected an Anti Christian heretic as their leader.
>>74663922
I am a catholic, but this pope is really shaking my faith
>>74664022
Fpbp I mean cmon its current year
>>74664226
New America Bible. That being said most popular translations do just fine :)
>>74664489
and everyone in the photo is looking at him like he's mentally unstable, which he fucking is.
>Current year. >Still being papist scum Pick one.
>>74663922
>kike
>agnostic
>>74664535
He's not a pope, he's a blasphemous plant. He totally defies Catholic social teaching and preaches Marxism instead.
>>74664226
>Which bible version
If your soul is worth saving, trust nothing but the original version. Learn aramaic and ancient greek. Step up your faith sinner.
>>74664535
Why ?
the Church is still here, the deposit of faith intact, come on don't you think people back in history didn't have worse popes than that ? yet they remained Christian. you are not Catholic for the pope. he doesn't state doctrine either.
>>74663922
> Thinking Catholicucks are real Christians.
You ate too much cheese frog
>>74664182
Says who?
>>74664226
>I was born a Roman Catholic
>I believed in transubstantiation when I was five seconds old
Anon pls
>>74664443
Ditto
t.Roman Catholic
>>74664226
New Revised Standard Version, is the more popular "British" English bible, I use The New American Bible Revised Edition because that what we used at school. If you want a bible more like King James Bible use The Douay–Rheims Bible.
Yes most real Catholics are ambivalent to the pope at best.
orthodoxism is the only true way to follow what Jesus Christ said. Orthodoxism or death!
>>74664650
>look at me guys im such a great protestant im not like those smelly catholics
You sound like a pride filled arrogant person who puts his self image before his relationship with god (which is idolatry by the way)
I recommend you stop worrying about what catholics are doing and remove the log from your own eye first if you catch my drift
>>74664809
Me, about myself. I just cannot believe in it, I tried but it makes no sense to me at all and I felt stupid for trying to do it or pray to God because nothing came from it. It is just beyond me.
The true Catholic religion teaches you to think for yourself.
That's the best way of figuring out who is really in the light of God and who is lost.
Я вepю в Пepyнa
>>74664443
you are the cancer that is destroying our faith. pretending to be catholic so you can marry in a church and grandma doesn't write you out of the will
>>74663922
>anything but agnosticism
>>74663922
But I am frog. I am.
OP why do the French have the best post-Vatican II church hymns?
http://youtu.be/sWhT6DXxHe8
>>74666723
idk ameribro
Have been considering becoming Catholic recently. I grew up protestant and have been led astray for a number of years and have been returning to my religion. In doing so I've been contemplating which denomination to join and I feel like it makes the most sense to do Catholic or Orthodox, since they're the oldest.
How often do catholics engaging in the Rosary? Other than the rosary and mass are there any really big rituals the church engages in that I should read up on?
>>74666834
Liturgy of Hours, Stations of the Cross, you can say the Rosary anytime.
>>74666793
Think it has something to do with the deep roots of the Church in France? They say that France would is "the eldest daughter of the Church".
http://youtu.be/S2vwnxk1IIw
>>74666985
>would is
is*
>>74666985
maybe.
>>74663922
*kisses foot*
I'm Protestants
>>74667073
Or maybe it's the beauty of the language?
http://youtu.be/vg913xsbxsI
>>74663922
Because I'm a part of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
>>74663922
Because I'm Orthodox
>>74663922
this is why
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztX7nBEaVDM
>>74666834
>>74666834
Entering the church is a little more complex than say becoming bapist. You will need to go to classes to prepare for the sacraments, a catechist will guide you.
Read this if you want https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catechism_of_the_Catholic_Church
>>74667411
Sweden plz
>>74667411
It's a tradition of showing ultimate humility.
>>74666834
Catholics are recommended to do the rosary once a day but there is no limitation or mandatory nature to it. Mass is mandatory once a week unless a holiday makes it happen more than a week.
As >>74666885 said that are the Stations of the Cross and the Liturgy of the Hours but also there is Eucharistic Adoration. This should be all the big devotions - much of which is not mandatory - but there are tons of little personal devotions you can check into as well.
I'm sure you know of RCIA classes so to get you started it would be best to check out the link in >>74667492
The catechism is a modern summary of all the official teachings of the church.
>>74667264
Sorry to hear that.
>>74667411
>choosing your understanding of reality on the political beliefs of the pope
Don't be stupid, Anon.
>>74667716
So Mass is mandatory once a week? How often is it held, if I have to work on the traditional Sunday that I've always visited church?
Man, the rosary seems like it would take so much time every day. So many Hail Marys. I try to meditate when I remember to, so this could probably be an equally calming experience I could habitualize a bit easier since I've semi-focused.
I've read part of the Catechism, it was very dry so I decided to go literary for a start and am nearly done now with Confessions, by Saint Augustine. Far too many parallels in my own life for my liking, but thats the truly wonderful thing about the book, it's showing me I'm not alone.
Thanks for the info, all. I will be looking into these devotions.
I wonder how my parents will take me being interested in Catholicism.
>>74663922
I'm protestant.
I see everybody that's a Christian as my brother in Christ regardless of denomination.
There are evils too great in this world for Christians to be divided at this point.
>>74663922
but i am
>>74668232
To be more accurate, it is mandatory every Sunday. That's just the current church rules so to uphold the value of the Lord's Day. However it is ran 3-4 times a day on Sunday and also ran every single day.
>liking Confessions
You might really enjoy The Seven Storey Mountain.
I have to head to work. Enjoy!
>>74668578
Thank you for the recommendation! I will probably hunker down and read the Catechism after Confessions, but will put TSSM in my to-read list.
>>74668319
That's a good point.
>>74668232
Mass is a weekly event most parishes hold 3 or more mass each Sunday with additional ones Saturday evening. So working Sunday should not be an issue.
I only do the rosary for confessions but if you want to do more than that go for it. There are other prays you can meditate with if the rosary seems extreme.
This is not 1940, I sure your parents will be fine with you being Catholic
Sunday is not the Lord's day. The Sabbath is, i.e. Friday night to Saturday night.
Also, anyone taking the flesh and blood of Christ without being worthy is literally going to inherit wrath, and after reading some comment here just now about it being done on the wrong day, 3 or 4 times, it just made me think of Las Vegas.
I think this truly must be the whore of Babylon. It's cultural 'christianity' but more openly pagan than anything.
>>74671293
Its a vigil mass, you autist. And Sunday is the lords day for the obvious reason of the lords Resurrection. And it is apostolic tradition
Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.
>>74672489
If Lord Jesus was sitting next to you right now, would you have called me an autist? Please answer truthfully.
Breaking bread means to eat. It doesn't mean have a last supper.
Sun day is a pagan thing. The time of His resurrection was at the very end of Sabbath, and it would not surprise me if it was timed to the very second.
The Catholic church is a roman pagan institution filled with heretical doctrine contrary to the Word of God.
>>74672698
Are you an Adventist or something. Shouldn't have realized your interpretation was wrong the first 100x the rapture didn't happen.
>>74673238
If you're going to ignore my questions and just insult me, I can go ahead and ignore your response.
Thanks and enjoy the rest of the Sabbath and may God bless you all.
>2016
> not based positive christianity
kek
>>74663922
No I'm not a Pharisee.
Mainstream Christianity is so fucking corrupted from what Christ told us, whether you're Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Protestant, whatever, you're almost all doing exactly what the Pharisees did in the Old Testament - focusing entirely on the law and disregarding the true meaning and purpose of the law.
Jesus loves you all and you'll all see Heaven if you truly are a good person. If you struggle with the law, if you struggle with what Christ tells you, you haven't come to understand why those words were given to us. If you need to close your eyes and stay your hand when you see a beautiful woman in front of you, you know the law but you don't UNDERSTAND the law. When you come to understand it you won't struggle any longer, there will be no conflict between you and God.
This understanding can not be expressed in mere words on paper, but it can be expressed through Jesus, so pray and open your heart not only to rigid words on paper but to knowledge and understanding that God radiates upon all people at all times.
We all misstep, but if you remedy that with only rigid observance of the law and nothing else you aren't going to fix yourself, you're just sinning with your eyes closed. God knows what you think and what you feel at all times.
>>74663922
Just went to confession
Going to Latin Mass tomorrow
wooooooooooo
>>74664535
Look at the history of the church
PLENTY of bad popes…but great saints emerge from dark times
We are clearly in a dark age thanks to the modernist heresy of Vatican II
But cheer up, because we will beat it
The best thing you can do is find a church that says the Latin Mass and encourage your friends and family to go too
Reawaken the old traditions to defeat the liberal modernists
Help be a part of this great struggle
>>74674307
>great saints
Lord Jesus is great. We aren't.
>>74668232
I have been saying the rosary every night before bed
I only do one mystery though so I don't know if that counts…but hey its better than nothing
One mystery (choose either Joyful, Sorrowful, Glorious) takes me about 15 minutes. I light a candle and read a quick meditation for each the mysteries and I have a book with pictures.
Catholic men should be concerned with getting spiritually jacked. 15 minutes of prayer is nothing.
>>74664088
Orthodox are Catholics, its called Orthodox/Roman Catholicism
>>74674497
Maybe you arent but I'm a pretty swell guy
>>74674497
God gives humans the power and grace to be great.
The greatness of the saints comes directly from Christ.
They are shining examples of what all Christians should aspire to be.
Everyone should have their own favorite saints to study and learn from
>>74664793
t.Mehmet bin Turqiyee
Matthew 23:8
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
>A rabbi is a teacher of Judaism qualified to render decisions in Jewish law. The term is derived from rav, meaning "great man" or "teacher"
>>74663922
>Why aren't you Catholic yet, /pol/ ?
Because I'm white.
Im not cuck and dont want to listen to jews telling me to take repefugges.
>>74663922
I don't agree with roman teachings and practices. I find they often run counter to what was preached by Jesus.
Doesn't mean I don't hate em, only that their pope is a clear plant to fuck it all up once again when you had a good one beforehand.
Because I can't stop masturbating
>>74674840
How can you call yourself Polish and not love the Virgin Mary?
>>74674966
don't let the jews beat you down bro
you are fighting an addiction its not going to be easy but you can do it
>>74674741
If I were to have people make images of me to be put inside churches, of me wearing gold and royal symbols and looking all holy, I think God would be quite displeased.
I think also the apostles would have a similar view.
2 Corinthians 12:11
I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me: for I ought to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing.
>>74675099
I think God is okay with the saints
Especially because he permits their remains/bones to cause unexplained miracles to occur
>>74663922
the pope is a idiot who thinks supporting muslims is a christian value and other versions of christianity dont all hold that to be true. its explicitly stated its heresy in the bible to be of any other faith
oh and females cant talk in church thats a new testament rule and catholics have nuns
and your not to worship any but god in the old testament and even with the new testament having statues of jesus on the cross in the church seems like idol worshiping . they pray to the virgin mother and that seems like heresy as well
those faggots are going to hell
>>74664102
> literally euphoric
>>74675237
The saints are His bride, i.e. Christians.
It is not just a title given by a man in a stupid hat to people who he deems to be worthy.
>>74675099
Why do care what the apostles thought? Aren't they as incapable of grace and greatness as you me.
Shouldn't the letters of paul be treated as apostasy
>>74674981
I just hate jewish pope that wants to destroy europe.
>>74675320
The Catholic Church is the bride of Christ
>>74675330
>Why do care what the apostles thought?
They are the ones who saw God and formed the church foundations, the ones who wrote the gospels down and saw the supernatural protection and works of God. The people who put pen to paper and wrote down all these things, to tell us to be meek with all humility and to not have arguments between ourselves.
We should all try to help each other, and not grieve God.
>>74668578
>Seven Storey Mountain
Have you ever recommended The Imitation of Christ anyone on this forum?
>>74664226
Yes you can. It's called being a sedevacantist Catholic.
We don't believe in V2 or the current pope but recognize the pope's authority.
The seat is vacant
>>74675429
What you really hate is the Second Vatican Council (1960s) that was infected with free masons, jews and communists that turned our modern Catholic Church into a joke.
All the highest leadership of Catholicism is infected with the liberalism of the 1960s
It is our duty as faithful Catholics to resist this great evil
Eventually we will get a good pope and everything will go back to normal
You can't just abandon the ship because it looks bad today.
The devil is always looking to destroy the church but God himself has said that he will never let the gates of hell prevail against it
Catholicism is contrary to God's will as made clear in the Bible
To be an obedient Christian I follow what the Bible says as my highest authority
>be me
>fathers side are all catholics, mothers side are methodist losers who stopped going to church thirty years ago
>i'm de facto atheist because neither parent agreed on denomination
>/r/athiesm makes me feel smart
>life hits me hard and i get redpilled
>realize spirituality underpins every successful civilization whether we like it or not
>conditioned to disbelieve christianity but try to read bible
>feels like masturbating to gay porn
>need faith to give meaning to life but am too cynical to seriously believe
>watch varg and jonathan bowden preach paganism
>read poetic eddas but know I can't take this farther than larp'ing
>read french new right criticize christianity as proto univeralist liberalism
>muh kike on a stick strikes too deep
>dont want to be philosemitic but nords will call me gay if i take paganism the least bit seriously
>i have literally no alternative
Am i fucked?
>>74675436
>The Catholic Church is the bride of Christ
Were the pharisee scribes and other "vipers" who placed vain religion and doctrines of men above the Word of God the very people who God was happy with? Or did He rebuke them and curse them?
>>74663922
Become a catholic to fuck littlke boys and kiss grown men's feet?
No thanks.
>>74663922
Because decepticons.
>>74663922
Because I am saved by grace, not by works.
Psalm 127:1
Except the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.
Matthew 6:7
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
>>74675600
You are wrong because you do not understand the difference between material and formal heresy.
Nor do you understand that you do not have the authority to call the pope a heretic.
Francis says and does awful things…yes BUT he is not in formal heresy like Martin Luther
Luther said the church says this but I say this…what the church has taught is wrong
this is formal heresy
Francis says the church says this and I agree and I say this (spout off garbage)
this is informal material heresy…what he says is wrong but it is not dogmatically wrong
Popes are allowed to hold onto wrong/bad opinions…they are still popes
BUT
if francis were to say
The church teaches this…
but I say this is wrong and believe this…
Only then is he a formal heretic and now outside the church and now no longer pope
>>74675099
Jesus was pleased with the woman who anointed him with perfume.
>>74663922
I am a Pantheist with Asatru influences.
I just don't see Catholicism as compatible with my life.
>>74675748
Too bad for you
>>74663922
>2016
>Being a feetfag
>>74664226
Douay Rheims
>Latin vulgate, oldest Catholic bible but not an easy read
The best would probably be
Ignatius Revised Standard Version (2nd Edition)
>>74663922
>>74675928
Amen this is true.
But not the people standing on street corners with fancy clothes, praying loudly to attract attention, or the money changers turning God's house in to a den of thieves, or the people who wanted to kill Him because He did not say a little Jewish blessing while doing a ritual to wash His hands before eating.
Let me shill this real quick because I honestly believe anyone who is interested in becoming a Catholic or is currently a Catholic should return to the original traditional aspects of Catholicism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedevacantism
We disavow Vatican II and the current Pope while embracing traditional catholic culture. All masses are said in Latin, and 99% of my church is white families with at least 6 kids.
>>74664022
>muh current year
>>74675288
> the pope is a idiot who thinks supporting muslims is a christian value and other versions of christianity dont all hold that to be true. its explicitly stated its heresy in the bible to be of any other faith
For the Muslim thing I believe he wants us to follow in the footsteps of Christ, as in following what we call the golden rule.
That being said I do agree that Islam as a whole does need to be held to some really harsh scrutiny.
> oh and females cant talk in church thats a new testament rule and catholics have nuns
In all my years I don't see many priests adhere to that rule about no women talking in the church.
You can look at Nuns as female monks if that suits you.
> and your not to worship any but god in the old testament and even with the new testament having statues of jesus on the cross in the church seems like idol worshiping . they pray to the virgin mother and that seems like heresy as well
I do agree in the issue of idol worship but at the moment there really isn't anything you can do about that.
> those faggots are going to hell
Yeah we are, I got box seats next to Stalin and Malcom X.
>>74676195
This entire thread is "current year."
Look at the beginning post.
>>74676115
I 2nd this.
Their study bible is good too. Some nice annotations and discourse.
>>74676158
Don't listen to this schismatic
Sedevacantists are outside the Catholic Church
They don't understand the difference between formal and material heresy. They also feel they have the authority to call the Pope a heretic (which they most certainly do not)
They are plenty of other traditional Catholic groups which are within the Catholic Church and are not schismatic
>>74676137
If Jesus is pleased with a woman who anoints him with perfume which is expensive, it naturally entails that expensive or precious things used to
Glorify God isn't wrong which is also why the OT Temple itself is filled with gold and shit. The people who are arrogant are the Protestants who dare place themselves above reason and scientific discoveries, to deceive with their false miracles and use fear to subjugate
>>74675920
Can you please explain why you have a picture of God being tortured by memes on your computer?
>>74663922
Too cucked. Just look at that pope. No thanks.
>>74675920
Which is why I said we recognize his authority, and why I didn't call him a heretic.
Material/Informal heresy is still heresy. Are you advocating Vatican II ideals?
>>74663922
i used to be but couldn't afford to go to church anymore
>>74676158
That's really interesting. How do you doctrinally say the selection was invalid, though?
I would request you investigate the origin of Romanism and find the whole concept is based on universal Church doctrine, which is contrary to scripture
>>74676131
>png
>resaved from jpg
>those artifacts
>red background
kys
>>74675659
>To be an obedient Christian I follow what the Bible says as my highest authority
Why do you not instead follow Christ himself? He is not gone, open your ears and you'll hear his voice, Jesus is alive and well in all places in the universe.
Catholics follow dogma
Protestants follow a book
Christians follow Christ, who is expressed in all things at all times.
>>74676352
I am trying to blend in with the Mongolian paper folding image board culture to convert heretics and non believers
I feel as if I show them my grasp of "memes" I will gain their trust
>>74676402
If you recognize the pope's authority then you are not a sedevacantist
And no, Vatican II is awful and hopefully we can get a traditional pope that will recognize this and throw it all into the trash where it belongs
Latin Mass all day err day
>>74676352
Can you explain how you can be on this board and be offended by that image?
>>74676449
>>74664153
THIS
>>74676329
Let us agree that Vatican II is modernist shit and we must return to traditionalism.
>>74676367
thats like saying you wont be a conservative because the conservative leader is cucked.
yea the pope sucks but thats not going to stop me being a catholic. pope has no say in what i do, he can go sit in his ivory tower and espouse liberal ideology all he wants. im still going to be a good catholic
>>74676579
What would you identify as?
I'm fairly new to sedevacantism and am open to new positions
>>74676474
Why do you believe Christ is expressed in all things at all times? How do you reconcile Christ being expressed in contradicting things, or in clear sin?
>>74676622
agreed 100%
I hope God blesses you with 10 aryan Catholic children and one of them becomes a priest
>>74676131
This proves catholicism superiour
Confessing
>Catholic version
helps you get your shit straight and sharing your faults with other man lightens the burden.
>American version
You pay psychologist for that, or you take antidepressants
Praying to saints
>Catholic version
Respects dead heroes and national traditions. Enriches cultures
>American version
50 shades of Jesus
>>74676619
Truth
>>74676715
You can argue with him, he is the kinda protestant who is waiting for the asteriod
>>74676797
>50 shades of Jesus
>>74676708
Just a traditionalist
I am lucky enough to have a church that says the Latin Mass and is within the Catholic Church
Ive been to SSPX masses but Ive always been worried that I am participating in a schismatic sect and that could be a sin
I would try to find a FSSP group nearby you
Everyone situation is different though so if you can't find a traditional mass other than a sedevcantist mass…i dunno
We live in terrible times friendo
>>74676715
All of the things in the world exist for a reason, even the worst things, God made all of it and so God's will is seen in all of it.
As for WHY he made certain things I have no idea, and neither does anybody else, we'll know in Heaven surely.
>>74676344
>why the OT Temple itself is filled with gold and shit
Surely those treasures represented the treasure and beauty of the things of God's kingdom?
I guess I'm a protestant, but I haven't tried to deceive anyone, especially via false miracles. And I'm honestly not trying to make you afraid. But we can agree that fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, yes?
I'm not going to judge any Catholic, for having a church filled with a hundred trillion dollars worth of gold, marble, artwork or historical artifacts. Even though we are told about the treasures in God's kingdom, you can do what you like, and such.
>>74676581
God died for us, and I find it very sick to have a picture of Him suffering, surrounded by vain memes.
I have a feeling that if I went to the vatican with a small car full of clowns wearing silly horns, you'd get offended by it for profaning your religion, yet you think it's alright to collect dank memes of God, regardless of how horrible His suffering was for your sake.
Luke 22:41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
>>74676911
So you don't follow scripture? Why do you believe in the figure of Christ?
>>74676914
That's right. Than there's nothing wrong with all those artwork and vestments for they are used for a divine purpose. Now you don't deceive or use fear mongering. Good for you but plenty of those on your side do particularly the Evangelicals
>>74676914
you didn't answer my question hypocrite. You are on a message board that spews images of porn and war and you are still here and getting offended by a costanza
>>74675731
Read his works anon. Confession especially. It will hit you hard only clinical death will.
>>74677010
He answers my prayers. I read scripture but I don't limit myself to what human beings say to read and not to read, I've read all sorts of things, gnostic texts, myths of all kinds. Things the church calls heretical or irrelevant is all relevant in some way, everything in the world is relevant, and if you're lost Christ always points you in the right direction either explicitly or implicitly.
I find lots of mainstream Christians act as if Jesus is dead and gone forever, which is senseless.
>>74676797
>Confessing
>>Catholic version
>helps you get your shit straight and sharing your faults with other man lightens the burden.
What it actually does is make sure the church has the dirt on everyone, and can blackmail anyone into silence about anything, at any time.
It's been the key to the power of the Papacy for many centuries.
>>American version
>You pay psychologist for that, or you take antidepressants
Or you learn to humble yourself and pray.
>Praying to saints
>>Catholic version
>Respects dead heroes and national traditions. Enriches cultures
Directly violates the commandments of a wise and caring creator. Our cultures can't survive much more 'enrichment' thanks.
>>American version
>50 shades of Jesus
<_<
>>74677205
>Than there's nothing wrong with all those artwork and vestments for they are used for a divine purpose
What is the divine purpose of having uncountable wealth on earth?
The bread in the temple was eaten by hungry people.
The money donations were to keep the temple going.
What use does the Catholic church have with all that money, if they don't use it? I don't understand.
>>74677300
I did answer your question, and I don't hold your sin against you. May God bless you.
>>74677477
Except when they actually do through operating schools, charities and hospitals worldwide. You might as well ask Solomon when he under divine command built the temple. Or better yet, why in the fuck does Pastor Jeb deny scientific research and data that implies his intepretation of Scripture to be false
>>74677477
no, you didnt. You are activity on a board full sexual and violent pornography. You are sinning as we speak. Be a good christian stop
>>74677350
That's a very dangerous ideology with no firm basis. Why do you have salvation?
>>74677357
>What it actually does is make sure the church has the dirt on everyone, and can blackmail anyone into silence about anything, at any time.
Nah, most priests are actually good natured and use the knowledge to people.
>It's been the key to the power of the Papacy for many centuries.
irrelevant
>Or you learn to humble yourself and pray.
And then something breaks in your head and you go shoot up school.
>Directly violates the commandments of a wise and caring creator.
theological argument, without practical effect
>Our cultures can't survive much more 'enrichment' thanks.
not an argument
>>74677357
Explain this
>>74677852
Salvation isn't something we can fully comprehend, but salvation exists not as a result of walking with Christ like a barter for being righteous, but exists completely within the act of walking with Christ. Christ on Earth was saved and so can we be saved also upon the Earth, the death of the body is utterly meaningless and doesn't serve as a "finish line", some goalpost where you can be assured you will ascend to heaven if only you can last until death without sin, it's an absurdly human notion.
I have no idea what happens after the death of the body, I don't think anyone knows, the judgement as most see it where life is just a "test", or a race to the finish line, is completely false, it has to be.
>>74677931
>Nah, most priests are actually good natured and use the knowledge to people.
That's why when one of them gets caught diddling the little 9 year old boys the rest of them cover it up and move him to a new parish every fucking time, I'm sure.
>irrelevant
Why?
>And then something breaks in your head and you go shoot up school.
You really believe that humble prayer causes violent outbreaks of psychosis in otherwise healthy human beings? Really?
>theological argument, without practical effect
Not true. A wise and caring creator does not give you arbitrary commandments for no reason. He gives you commandments which are consonant with being wise and caring about your welfare. Disobedience does not have to be actively punished to invoke passive punishment - ie the command to avoid drunkenness is enforced through the rules of the natural universe. G-d does not need to reach down and give you a hangover, it happens on its own at this point (because He designed it that way from the beginning.)
>>74678004
Not sure what you want explained frankly.
>>74678993
The pic shows Sola Scriptura as being in opposition with the very origin of Christianity itself and its early phases. This destroys the Protestant
>>74678945
You have no basis for your beliefs besides feel-good speculation that reeks of modernism and pluralism.
Why do you cite scriptural concepts when you don't believe it has authority?
Why would you say nobody knows what happens after death then immediately speak of the judgement after death?
What Christian have you ever spoken to that told you a man must live his life without sin to go to heaven, rather than the message of salvation by grace through faith?
I beseech you, read the new testament from the perspective of it being God's word to understand the Christian message of salvation.
>>74679447
>This destroys the Protestant
Protestantism is the fruit of the poisoned tree anyhow.
>>74680078
I agree. So is anyone who dares think he can read scripture apart from tradition
>>74678993
>That's why when one of them gets caught diddling the little 9 year old boys the rest of them cover it up and move him to a new parish every fucking time, I'm sure.
Few criminals do not represent majority of people. But it is related to an actual problem in catholicism which is celibacy.
>Why?
Papacy does not hold any real power, since like thirty years war?
>You really believe that humble prayer causes violent outbreaks of psychosis in otherwise healthy human beings? Really?
I dont think you understand the point, we are not talking about healthy minds. Healthy minds do not need religion at all. We are talking about fucked up minds.
It is better when men in need have someone who they can trust and who'll help them to get on the right track. Shitloads of Americans have their personal psychologist for that. Dont you think priest would fit that role better?
>Not true. A wise and caring creator does not give you arbitrary commandments for no reason.
>muh god
Again, not an argument that can be represented empiricaly
Because I'm missouri synod Lutheran.
>>74679960
Protestantism has no basis in history. Explain this >>74678004
>>74677808
>no, you didnt
Yes I did, friend. May God bless you.
>>74663922
>2016
>still catholic
You must have missed the memo. We had the protestant reformation a few hundred years ago.
>2016
>still religious
We also had a few hundred years of secular enlightenment since then. Must have missed the memo on that one too m8.
>>74680480
Scripture is not simple and straightforward as we would like, I agree. But the traditions are not scripture, they are what perverted and obscured the scripture.
>>74680615
It's not the few criminals, it's the much larger number of people whose support they utilize to avoid punishment and continue their crimes.
>Papacy does not hold any real power, since like thirty years war?
Papacy today is wealthy as fuck, has world class banking and intelligence service, avoids paying for a standing army but still protected by Italy and NATO, and undoubtedly maintains enough blackmail material to destroy regimes both large and small worldwide.
>I dont think you understand the point, we are not talking about healthy minds. Healthy minds do not need religion at all. We are talking about fucked up minds.
Then we are not talking about the same thing.
>Shitloads of Americans have their personal psychologist for that. Dont you think priest would fit that role better?
Possibly, but only because the state of psychiatry is so abysmal. Any reasonably competent shaman or witch doctor could do as well.
>Again, not an argument that can be represented empiricaly
A counter-argument I would not expect a catholic to be able to make in good faith.
Things that God did not say:
>I build my house upon Rome, go to there and sit on the throne and wear this hat, and also every 40 years introduce new doctrines in to your church which goes against everything I say, and also make sure to vet everyone that needs salvation by making them take an 18 month crash course in the doctrines of men before allowing them to get baptized
>Worship Mary and hold her in higher esteem than myself or Father God
>Feed the poor, except if it means selling any precious stones or gold or things like that in the church
>When you are unsure about which commandments to follow, run them past the pope so he can tell you which of them to throw away
>When I said that adultery was bad, I didn't mean it, that's why I want 300million single Catholic mothers on the plenty of fish dating site
He also didn't promote homosexuality either, so don't accuse me of being someone who promotes homosexuals in the church.
>>74682269
I agree. This means God failed to protect his own people and obscured truth from us all for centuries! Truly the father of lies you worship!
All your jewish sandreligions are shite
>>74682379
Explain
>>74682579
Yes, so basically you're talking about a senior pastor?
Notice how you didn't even refute anything I said and your strongest case of an argument is to show me that having a senior person lead the flock in a congregation is somehow validating a roman pagan king controlling 2 billion Christians in name only.
>>74682508
We are all His people anon. There is no failure. Primitive, violent stages of evolution are part of a larger and truly benevolent long-term plan.
>>74682794
False. That isn't a pastor or any Protesturd hierarchy loser. If you actually read Ignatius, he asks the laity to submit to the bishop! Clement earlier than him compares the episcopate to the Old Testament priesthood. So no, you are only whining like a loser
>>74682269
A counter-argument I would not expect a catholic to be able to make in good faith.
I never said I am a believer :3 I just do compare the two sects in terms how well can they shape society, not which one is justifiable acording to bible
>Possibly, but only because the state of psychiatry is so abysmal. Any reasonably competent shaman or witch doctor could do as well.
Yup, but the priests fits the role the best, at least in traditional white cultures.
>and undoubtedly maintains enough blackmail material to destroy regimes both large and small worldwide
Because all the superimportant people had to confess their sins to a catholic priest? I find that a bit silly.
>>74683170
>If you actually read Ignatius
Is that the O.T. or N.T.?
>2016
> Being papist scum
Come on lads you don't seriously do this?
>>74682880
This means God predestined all things such that such events occurred. Calvinist scum please die
>>74683242
Well done. Ignatius lived near to the Apostles and his epistles shows how he isn't Protesturd.
>>74683261
Explain >>74678004
>>74683381
>"Ignatius' religion"
Which religion is that? Christianity? Sounds to me like he made some spin-off religion like you're always accusing protestants of doing.
>>74683242
Protesturds BTFO
>>74683507
Show me Sola Scriptura in the early church...oh wait you can't!
>>74679960
I know what has authority because I have contact with Jesus through prayer. Your authority rests on humans, mine rests entirely on God.
I used to be a mainstream Christian but prayer and research has allowed me to see that it's all horseshit. I appreciate your efforts, I know you're telling me these things because you care about me.
>>74683599
Lord Jesus is the Word of God. The early church followed Him.
Also, I forgive you. May God bless you.
>>74663922
>>74663922
THEY'RE BRINGING INDULGENCES!
>>74663922
Because Christianity and Islam believe in a god which is not their own. It's make no sense to me.
I think the only monotheist religion I can respect is Judaism (and Zoroastrism.)
So find your own god. I am agnostic personnaly.
>>74663922
>>74683793
THEY'RE BRINGING HERESY!
>>74683842
THEY'RE PAPISTS!
>>74680700
Protestantism in its inception was a Reformation, to go back to the early practice of Christianity we see in historical texts and the scripture. The reformers saw issue with Romanist doctrine and sought to correct it, and when this failed to split from it.
The biblical guidelines we see for tradition are most notably in the examples of the berean Jews, who studied everything Paul had to say against what the scripture said, and instruction from 1 Thessalonians 5 to "prove all things; hold fast that which is good"
When Catholic doctrine makes claims that are contrary to scripture, the Bible gives clear instruction to split from it, just like anything else pushing heterodoxy.
>>74683427
There is tradition then there is fan fiction, which you papists are so fond of.
>>74683198
It's hardly silly to see that the custom of confession forms a very broad base on which many shades of control can be based. Particularly in a guild-ridden society such as the catholics create.
Can I still be a Catholic if I think the modern Papacy is illegitimate or should I just look to the Orthodox church?
>Catholicism
>/pol/
Dat Boi is dead, Pope.
Now is the age of KEK.
Non Belivers Shall Be Purged.
KEKUS VULT!
>>74684017
There are positives and negatives to everything. The negative aspect you are talking about affects the powerful people.
Do you think powerful people would risk this much just to please god?
>>74683905
>Protestantism in its inception was a Reformation, to go back to the early practice of Christianity
you are so wrong, lutheranism and luther and all that shit with protestantism was a protest that people could buy Gods foregiveness in rome if you paid money to a priest.
Thats why protestantism churches feel cheap, theres nothing inside, no icons, no nativity scenes, no gold, unlike a might orthodox church.
Protestantism hate the Orthodox church.
And its called the Catholic Orthodox church, the roman church have hijacked the word catholic.
Catholicism (from Greek kαθολιkισμός, katholikismos, "universal doctrine"). The word "catholic" basically means "doctrine".
Orthodox catholic aka Orthodox doctrine is what the 12 discples. The rest arent.
Anyhow to praise God from your heart is what matters, the rest is just stupid greedy humans/zionists invention. Like creating a new branch over 1000 years after the Orthodox catholicism was created, or Protestantism which was created around year 1500-1600.
>>74683726
And no proofs given! Hahahaha loser
>>74683905
Except it isn't at all! Scripture itself even attests to Tradition itself whenever the apostles urge their audience to keep what they had taught them. No Reformation doctrine of Sola Scriptura is ever found in the Early Church at all. You failed to answer the argument
>>74683966
Which the Apostles did as I had shown from ANS Lane himself! A scholar!
>>74685262
When the apostles say "hold to the tradition that you were taught by us" there is a clear urgency to change from incorrect tradition, agreed?
>>74685262
http://www.gotquestions.org/sola-scriptura.html
Question: What is sola scriptura?
>>74663922
Because I'm following the true way you fucking schismatic catholicuck
>>74684593
Always? No.
Often enough to be a major source of real power? Hell yeah.
Especially when a person is young, and those youthful indiscretions can follow you for your entire life.
Not only for blackmail either, for manipulations of all kinds.
>>74685522
As Lane had said, Tradition is the context to read Scripture and it's obviously all the stuff the Apostles had taught them which of course includes Scripture itself. But under such a context it means no Sola Scriptura when Scripture and Tradition are essentially one and inseparable. Sola Scriptura breaks this.
>>74685837
The definition of Sola Scriptura is what I had presupposed all along loser!
>>74683764
You are based af Jamal
>>74676269
How fucking new are you?
Protestant piggu blow uppu!!
The first clear attitude to emerge on the relation between Scripture, tradition and the church was the coincidence view: that the teaching of the church, Scripture and tradition coincide. Apostolic tradition is authoritative but does not differ in content from the Scriptures. The teaching of the church is likewise authoritative but is only the proclamation of the apostolic message found in Scripture and tradition. The classical embodiment of the coincidence view is found in the writings of Irenaeus and Tertullian.
These both reject the Gnostic claims to a secret tradition supplementing Scripture. Apostolic tradition does not add to Scripture but is evidence of how it is correctly to be interpreted. This tradition is found in those churches which were founded by the apostles, who taught men whose successors teach today. These apostolic churches agree as to the content of the Christian message, in marked contrast to the variations among the heretics. It is important to note that it is the church which is the custodian of Scripture and tradition and which has the authentic apostolic message. There was no question of appealing to Scripture or tradition against the church. This is partly because the apostolic tradition was found in the church but not just for this reason: the Holy Spirit preserves the church from error and leads her into the truth. The real concern of Irenaeus and Tertullian was not with the relation between Scripture and tradition but with the identity of ecclesiastical with apostolic teaching. Any exposition of their teaching on Scripture and tradition which fails to show this is to that extent defective. (A.N.S. Lane, “Scripture, Tradition and Church: An Historical Survey”, Vox Evangelica, Volume IX – 1975, pp. 39, 40 –)
>>74686321
When tradition and scripture are contradicting, scripture is right. This is the basis of sola scriptura as outlined in the article.
You are displaying very low maturity, let me know if you have any genuine questions regarding protestantism
>>74686942
Which of course is in opposition to what the Early Church including the Apostles themselves think on this issue!
This is as ANS Lane points out!
So no. And before you say Lane's Coincidence view is Sola Scriptura, here's what he says on this
There are two important differences between this view and th e classical coincidence view of Irenaeus and Tertullian. These patristic writer s were concerned to show the identity of ecclesiastical with apostolic teaching while the Reformers sought to do the opposite. Furthermore they accepted the inherited faith because it was apostolic tradition whereas the Reformers accepted the (traditional) creeds only because they believed them to be scriptural. 59 This is a significant difference. While the Reformers did not desp ise tradition they only accepted it if it was scriptural, Scripture remain ing the final arbiter. Unlike the coincidence view the sola scriptura did not involve the unqualified acceptance of any tradition or of the teaching of any church and Scripture remained, formally as well as materially, the ultimate criterion and norms.
Let me know when you can actually show that the Early Church into Sola Scriptura loser.
>>74663922
Because its eastern mysticism faggot.
Your pope is a cuck. If that is your god's chosen representative, then no thanks.
