http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/19/britains-vast-new-aircraft-carriers-will-make-enemies-think-twic/
>Longer than the Houses of Parliament and able to launch up to 108 air strike sorties per day, Britain’s new aircraft carriers will make potential enemies “think twice” about starting future wars, their senior naval officer has said.
>less than half the air complement of a 40yo Nimitz
>make enemies think twice
Yeah I'm sure the Russians and Chinese are shaking in their commie boots.
>>74546667
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>74546667
>Surface water fleet
>Having to think twice
Is the "second thought" that it is a good idea to invade Britain?
Think twice about is it carrier or not?
Also
Fucking
RAMP
>>74546788
Why would anyone want to invade Britain? There is nothing there but pakis.
>>74546667
>floating metal box
>ramp
yeah whatever
>not even mentioning the fucking ramp.
Nigger...
still enough to push your shit in siam #2ndbritishempire
>t-this is going to stop the muzzies
>t-trust me
>>74546667
*wants to attack britbong carrier*
*having second thoughts*
LMAOOO DO YOU GUYS KNOW THAT MEME FROM REDDIT
Who cares, Britain has no reason to go to war with Russia or China, it'll be good for parking off a sandnigger country and fucking their shit up.
>>74546667
We do not have Commie boots. You have proofs we are Commies? No, I thought not.
>>74546918
delete this
>>74546667
>A
>FUCKING
>RAMP
Why can't other countries build carriers properly?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0jgZKV4N_A
Still relevant.
>>74546667
>rule britannia
>britannia rule the ramps
>britons forever ever shall be extinct
>>74546946
Then let us give them a reason, see how many thinks that can be squeezed from the minds of the enemies.
>>74546667
>naming your ship after an old woman that did nothing but drinking tea in her life
Fun fact : we havnt got the man power to fill that ship.
So where's the planes.
>>74546667
i'm surprised it's called queen elizabeth and not lord ahmed
>>74546839
underrated
>>74546667
HMS Brexit
>>74546667
Theyd be better off using it on London than anywhere overseas.
>>74547092
turkroach detected
A
FUCKING
RAMP
>>74546996
>2016
>surface water fleet
>A FUCKING RAMP
>>74547166
or
االشيء بيز هو الحياة هو
الموت إلى الكفار
>>74546667
I hope the Argies sink it in Falklands 2: Electric Boogaloo—the Juanpire strikes back.
>>74546667
They will whenever they'll actually get planes
We might actually be able to fund a replacement for the CdG by then
>>74546667
nice boat
>>74546667
>ramp
lmao great cuckain are you even trying?
>>74546667
>Can't even get the V runway configuration right
>Doesn't use Nuclear Propulsion
>ONLY 40 aircraft
SHIGGY
>>74546667
The fucking ramp limits the kind of aircraft it can take, as well as reducing the number of aircraft on board.
It's a fucking pointless meme boat, they should have built one good one instead of two mediocre ones.
>>74547462
>Almost as long as the Ford class
>Still uses a fucking ramp
oy vey.
>Britbongs refused to make Navy version for the Eurofighter
>They now have to buy meme-35 from the American
Good goyim
Stop it guys. It's embarrassing enough without you all rubbing salt into our wounds.
Why couldn't we have something like Ark Royal IV?
>>74547645
>No catapults
WHO COMMISSIONED THIS
H(a)M(a)S Choudary
>>74547743
I don't think the F-35 will be a bad aircraft, but yeah, it's said that we don't develop our own shit anymore and we suck off to US military industrial complex.
At least I can appreciate the french for something.
All these RAMP comments
It's like you don't know that every major aircraft carrier innovation was pioneered by the Royal Navy including ski ramps, it's like you don't know that every major navy with carriers uses ramps for STOVL aircraft except the US because their shit is ancient.
>even the Vatniks have a better carrier than us
>>74547975
It probably sorties less than the brazilian Foch/Sao Paolo, so not really
>>74547872
They decided to build two shit ones instead of one decent one.
We should have built it out of sawdust and water.
>>74547462
you mean the skewed runway configuration invented by the ROYAL NAVY
>>74546667
We're going to have to fight that since that's going to be in control of muds soon.
>isn't as good as the US navy's carriers
>this makes it absolute shit tier
nice meme.
>>74547808
Too cheap and too effective for the MoD.
They like their boondoggles costly, and detrimental to mission capacity.
Take a look at the specimens sitting in parliament today, and you will see why.
The "missing link" may be found in her majesty's "government"
>>74546667
That's not an aircraft carrier.
THIS is an aircraft carrier.
>>74548224
>implying that'd be difficult with out current 10 Nimitz-class carriers plus 10 ford calss ones on the way
>>74548149
You guys invented a lot of shit, then threw it in the fucking trash. Can't blame us for using something good and improving on it
see: operation paperclip
Exocet missle
Four at once can't get all missle hits magazine ship blows in half.
Grow up.
>>74547975
Nah Kuznetsov is trash, leak like hell, breaks down all the time, only ship in the world with its own dedicated tugboat detachment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLSaA3pO6Bc
Then again our Type 45 destroyers break down as their generators don't produce enough power.
>>74546839
Pretty good point.
>>74546667
The problem is that the enemy has already successfully invaded the country.
>named after white royalty
how is this level of racism still tolerated?
>>74546667
>a fucking ramp
>>74547971
Using A FUCKING RAMP instead of a catapult limits takeoff weight to approx. 1/3rd.
So you essentially need 3x the sorties/time to get the same job done.
What are they protecting? If the russians wanted to invade, theyd just have to go via pakistan
>>74546667
>>74548367
>Make nuclear powered fucking missile cruisers
>Decide that you don't need nuclear power for your carriers
soviets...
>>74546667
Rule Britainistan, from it's capitol city: Londonbad. PBUH.
>>74548367
Haha
>designated tugboat detachment
New meme
>>74548492
The hell did you do to that picture?
Here have a fresh one.
>>74546667
>Aircraft carriers
>Useful in any meaningful war
didn't your capitol get taken over already? who exactly are you scaring?
>>74546667
>>74548734
Well, Islamists own London, Germany makes all our political decisions and the rest of Europe stops us ever getting what we want.
I dunno who are enemies, it seems like our friends are actually our enemies.
>>74548796
>jews
>friends
>since ever
>>74548796
Brexit when?
>>74548734
Nobody, it's just a jobs program and will be used to kill Whites once it's in the hands of muds along with the rest of the UK.
>>74546788
Should we bomb the ship or use the ship as a floating base for commercial airliners to crash into landmarks?
>>74548870
June 23rd!
>>74546918
I bet half of the servant on that carrier are brown.
>yanks talking shit about the Fleet Air Arm
We were the first to land a jet on an aircraft carrier.
>>74547808
More like Crafty McCarrier
should of gone with the dazzle camo.
>>74548903
May freedom and islamophobia blossom in Great Britain.
>>74546946
You mean Argentina?
>>74548922
Browns aren't allowed near the Royal Navy. They get made to join the Army.
>>74549019
They are sitting quiet, hoping for a Labour victory
>>74546667
superpower 3050
Where the fuck does Britain even need to project air power? Are they going to war against Argentina again?
>>74549220
>why does america need to project air power?
>>74546839
This cunt has a good point, what the fuck do you do when you invade?
>>74549220
Africa potentially in the future, South Atlantic if that flairs up again, the middle east or the Baltic if NATO comes calling.
Do you think before you type?
>>74549348
america controls the world and protects a shit ton of countries
the uk uses this to their advantage and uses that extra cash to fund muslims
This is now a thread about handicapable ramps on british cuckcarriers.
>>74547044
>rule britannia
>britannia rules the ramps
>britain soon will have a bunch of refugee camps
>>74546667
i mean it could still wreck your shit, I don't think the british have any intention of fighting russia or china.
>>74546839
Us. We will free UK from sharia zones and free these gorgeous british women from harem.
>>74546667
A FUCKING RAMP
>>74547971
so you invented a good idea? well congratulations. How about YOU FUCKING USE IT, YOU STUPID FUCKING BONG.
>>74546667
Oooo im scaaarred
>>74548980
This will be the next tattoo trend for hypergamous roasties: can't see which dick they're going toward.
>>74548479
Calm down man. You know dad was really proud about ruling the waves. Dont bring him down. Let him have it.
>even the frogs know how to make a good carrier
>brits don't
lol man, my sides
>>74548949
Im proud of you Brittain.
American carriers are the most impressive thing to see in person. It's unbelievable. Like seeing an alien mothership
Somebody please create an image of a brit in a diaper, holding a toy boat, posturing towards much larger adult countries and saying, "Think twice, bub"
>>74549592
Gotta go full Jeanne d'Arc in your Banlieus first desu
>>74546667
I don't get aircraft carriers, they were understandable in WW2 when they could sneak about and only be detected by planes with limited range through breaks in the cloud cover but now they're constantly tracked. Might as well paint a great big fucking target on the deck.
>>74549999
what are preventative measures
>>74549999
They're only really useful against third world countries or countries that won't dare strike back.
Oh look, a float skate park.
>>74549456
>protects from freedom and liberty
>>74548542
It's like you don't even know you only make up 62% of your population.
>>74549999
Carrier groups and ICBM subs are the two most important parts of any midern navy because they can lroject force. If you park a carrier group off the coast of a country you can now get air control in the country, launch sorties tovdegrade and destroy land targets, fire cruise missles intobthe country, launch special operations missions intobthe country and have a beachead to launch a full land invasion.
>>74548360
I've saw that aircraft carrier when it was in Brisbane last year, quite big
>>74546667
I'd make a snide comment about your own carrier, but then I realised we sold our only one to fucking Argentina
>>74546667
britain's new enemies are the enemies of islam
>>74546667
So will the Brits share this one with Le French?
>Like they did that other one
>>74549999
Because you think those carriers are let alone without protection? Top kek.
>>74546667
A
FUCKING
RAMP
![flat,1000x1000,075,f[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hdCx291.jpg "flat,1000x1000,075,f[2].jpg")
But they're getting invaded RIGHT NOW, look at their capital mayor ffs.
>>74550474
Angles for true anglos, cunt
Angle master ramps
Anglo master race
>>74547182
>american humour
its literally the same recycled joke in every UK thread
>>74547486
>They should have built one good one
"H-hey, don't attack right now, the pride of our fleet is in maintenance! It's like you're attacking at this precise moment on purpose!"
>>74549592
>Coming from the confirmed Islamic Caphiliate of France
Stones in glass houses m8
>>74550371
no le French decided that having a deal with the USA was better as they can actually take off and land. Actually they got an amazing deal with us only cap is mutual and American sailors have been trained to maintain rafale. In other words France can do a strike mission without US approval off an American flattop and nobody is dumb enough to counterattack.
>>74550474
>American Pilots
>>74546667
Does this mean we can fish again?
>>74546667
>less than half the air complement of a 40yo Nimitz
Gotta make room for all those mosques, transjenner bathrooms and safe spaces.
>>74550523
BEADY
>>74546667
A F U C K I N G R A M P
>F
U
>C
K
>I
N
>G
R
>A
M
>P
>>74546667
they are talking about EU
>>74546667
Fucking RAMP, meanwhile Gerold Ford class class carriers have a nuke power plant and will be equipped with rail guns and fuckung lasers
>>74549999
I know you're just pretending to be retarded, but the real purpose of a carrier is imperialism made convenient - you only use carriers against countries which don't have navy or airforce of their own
>>74550760
You cheeky little cunt
>>74549999
Your quads represent reason.
Americans will get angry at your post, too, which is good.
>>74550420
And? Carriers cost a lot to run and maintain, so destroying one can really demoralise and set a nation back financially. Sure, they'll come with protection - but so will the bombers, and even if all the bombers and support are destroyed, as well as the carrier, the nation with the carrier has still lost, since it's lost millions - maybe billions - in an assets.
The only use, carriers have is to deploy planes from any location, but that doesn't matter since the planes and carriers can easily be destroyed due to defensive artillery and tactics being superior, as well as it being easier to build a permanent base off the country in an allied zone, since you can defend that easily.
>>74548663
>Implying every modern war doesn't come down to killing ethnics with superior weaponry
>>74550867
>Use your navy against a shit country like Nigeria.
>Some other big power jumps in for no real reason to defend Nigeria.
>Looks like you're not going against a country with no navy anymore.
Doesn't work.
does the thing come with Muslim prayer rooms ?
Whats the point with nuclear deterrence
>>74546667
One of these and it's over. You of all people should know better.
>>74547872
.....how the fuck are fighters taking off and landing on that thing? Is it deigned only for F-35s?
>>74550995
And now you know why only the US has any significant amount of carriers - they're confident on other big power is gonna jump in for no real reason to defend Nigeria.
>>74550699
Even the worst ghetto doesn't got a muslim mayor here.
Every muzz want to cross the sea to get in Britain. I wonder why.
>>74546667
This is just a message to the argies obviously china or russia don't care.
>>74546667
Striking terror into the hearts of the infidel, I like it.
It sure is nice of you to buy all these shiny toys for your new muslim overlords.
>>74551082
>Get loads of carriers to make sure another big power can't intervene when you pick on Nigeria.
>Big power still intervenes, because fuck your carriers.
Americans use very simplistic reasoning. Having loads of air carriers doesn't make me scared of America, nor does it make leaders like Putin or Xi scared. No one gives a fuck, because we know that America is a joke - it's a cardboard lion.
>>74546667
that'l teach the muslim world of starting wars all over the middle east draining the western countries money.
This was all the fault of BAE Systems and their baffling hold over the UK defence procurement process.
The Navy wanted EMALS and BAE quoted massively for it which made it cost prohibitive. I read a US manufacturer offered to retrofit the carrier with EMALS even with the current configuration but that would reduce launch capability in the event of landing aircraft using the same strip.
Also I believe BAE blocked the idea because nobody went with their naval Typhoon option.
>>74551076
It's ok Maggie will come back from the dead and threaten to nuke the Argies again.
>>74547132
Why do you think there have been more Royal Navy advertisements lately?
>>74546667
Yeah, I'm sure that aircraft carrier is going to stop 3rd world trash already in the EU from abusing the Schengen Agreement.
>>74547092
>Naming your country after shitskins
>>74546998
Made me laugh.
>>74546667
What ever happened to that tradition of constantly updating the British navy to make sure it's ahead of any other industrialized nation? Did the cucks decide to stop that?
>>74551081
Only VSTOL and helis can use it.
Well in theory, BAE believe a Typhoon in naval configuration could get off without the need for a catapult due to its ridiculous power to weight ratio. All it would need it an arrestor cable and a beefier hook than the one it possess currently.
>>74551098
And yet you have exponentially more Muzzies than we do. Funny that.
>>74548300
It literally cannot launch any non VSTOL aircraft. That makes it shit tier.
>>74551314
Labour destroyed the wealth of the nation and leftist cunts cried foul over funding WMDs.
>>74546827
Think twice about invading their country that can't even afford a decent aircraft carrier
A
>>74546667
Would be entirely useless against Russia in possible theatres of operation since it`ll not enter black sea, and at North sea it`ll russia could sink it before you finish type its name. So the potential enemies mentioned in article probably isnt Russia.
So either helping USA harrassing China, or the future South American war.
>>74551350
And yet none of them is a lord mayor
funny that.
>>74546667
I look forward to the HMS Muhammad.
>>74551485
No rather it was muzzies who pushed Hollande into office.
They voted for him in their hoardes.
>>74549514
nice
>>74551076
Hahahahahahah
oh you're serious.
>>74550321
That's so 80s.
Russia achieves all the same goals with destroyer-mounted missiles with huge range. Like they bombed Syria from the Caspian.
>>74549800
Yeah. Except for that whole broken propellor thing. And the radiation leaks. And the malfunctioning electrics.
>>74546667
It's got a fucking ramp!!!
>>74546667
Oh sure they'll all be real scared of England's RAMPS.
![5D558BE3-2283-46FF-A288-DBAD7EEBC27A_w640_r1_s[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xMDgGxR.jpg "5D558BE3-2283-46FF-A288-DBAD7EEBC27A_w640_r1_s[1].jpg")
>>74551896
Navy ships are so 70th.
Who needs them when you can turn every container and transporter ship into missile launch site?
>>74546667
They'll see the ramp and think "I thought we were fighting a navy. Not some kids on skateboards"
![russian women 3].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ENBPd6E.jpg "russian women 3].jpg")
>>74546839
Moscow has a higher percantage of mudslimes than London you potato faced Slavnigger cuck
![IMDS-201150-M[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/25NeTht.jpg "IMDS-201150-M[1].jpg")
>>74552087
or even smaller, so that private cruise boats could destroy enemy ships too
>>74551288
That kids a big guy
>>74548149
the same navy that doesn't use their own design?
the same navy that has to use a RAMP?
>>74549592
Free yourself first m8.
>>74547486
Oy vey, You shall turn it into a refugee housing facility goyboy!
>only around 100ft shorter than a Nimitz
>carries half the amount of aircraft
>fuck building a decent aircraft carrier, let's spend all our money on housing Islamists and niggers!
Why is my country so fucking retarded?
>>74552171
No, it doesn't. London was 45% British in 2010.
>>74552593
>No, it doesn't. London was 45% British in 2010.
Lulwut . . .get your facts right kid.
>>74546667
Nice ramp you little faggots
>>74546667
>Muslims occupation and control of London
>this will stop invaders
You're capital city is sharia zone.
>>74546667
It looks like an Apple product :(
>mfw iCarrier
British invent an Aircraft configuration.
Americans copy it.
British change their minds and change systems.
Americans hide their upset with silly comments.
Just another day on 4chins.
>>74549592
>gorgeous british women
France, you do realize you've actually got a pretty good thing going on over there with your girls right?
>>74546667
maybe if it launches kebab or something...
>>74546839
Where do pakis keep thier CD's? - In Iraq
Who was the best paki carpenter? - Ahmed Ashed
>>74547462
The Invincible class is more impressive for what it accomplishes for its size than the Elizabeth
>>74546667
>A
>FUCKING
>RAMP
>>74546667
Lol why would you invade Britain with an army when your civilians can just walk in the front door and start collecting welfare and raping British women?
Like seriously why do you Britcucks even have an army?
>>74550474
Actually, you may laugh but queen Elisabeth has few benefits,first of all the size, smaller crew and lower operating costs. For the price of 2 US carriers you can have 3 british ones. Also level of automation in QE is on higher degree, simply put more sophisticated.
>>74547486
Man, I don´t like the estathics of the Challenger 2 at all, it has the boxiness of a tiger + down syndrome
>>74554630
>German
>Aesthetics
>>74555203
>>74555203
>mfw no tanks
>>74552480
Fuck you canada you are the sweden of america. Muslims in France love your country and want to go there asap btw. Good luck.
>>74546667
>Another aircraft carrier
>2016
Don't Europeans wolf cry about Russia?
Flash news you fucks, they developed a 4 million torpedo/cruise missile hybrid capable of taking one of those out. Unless they are planning going to war against Ecuador, Somalia or Argentina.
>Russia and China
>Britain's enemies
Britain's enemies reside in places like London, Brussels and Washington D.C.
>>74546667
Twice the causalities with a single torpedo
Catapults cannot be used in rough seas. If the ship pitches at the wrong moment you're going to fire the plane straight into the water.
Ramp > Catapult
>>74555500
I don't understand why all these countries are spending so much money on specializing on asymmetric warfare.
Too bad they'll probably get fucked to bits after getting spammed by cheap Russian jets, just like German equipment in WW2.
>>74546667
>Britain's new aircraft carriers will make enemies 'think twice'
First they'll think "A carrier!" and second they'll think "A ramp?".
>>74555203
that ain't german
>>74546827
Says the Russian whose military also relies on a ramp
why can't other countries create giant ships like we can?
>>74552736
I know, it's more like 60%. Just fucking nuke that utter cesspool and be done with it already.
>>74546667
>>make enemies think twice
mmmeeee
It really makes you think...
>>74550760
America produced more ace pilots than Britain in WWII despite fighting in the war for only ~3 years
At least we're not French
>>74546667
Oh shit, does this mean Arabs now have sea power?
>>74547137
Based cenk
>Enemies
They are already here m8. No floating fortress with make any difference.
>a fucking ramp
>>74555463
It's true Canada is our most swedish state before Wisconsin.
>>74549592
>gorgeous british women
Kek'd tbqh my man.
>>74546667
Which will be probably used by sand nigger immigrants if you don't vote out from the European cuck Union.
>>74547403
Nice boat indeed.
>>74549592
>gorgeous
>British
>women
>>74555594
The US alone has to escort its carriers like giants vulnerable targets during their tours around the Pacific, with submarines and high tech equipped frigates.
I didn't knew the UK has all those shekels and hardware to make carriers useful against Russia or protected from sabotage.
It has a railing around the sides too? LOLOL
Did Afghanistan invasion ruin Britain?
>>74556218
its a ship u cunt
>>74546667
It'll make them think twice that we're any sort of threat.
>>74556008
? Our aircraft shits on yours (nuclear propulsion, CATOBAR...).
>>74556422
>Our aircraft
You mean the Germans?
the HMS Baghdadi
>>74556228
Yeah, they're building all these meme vessels with the "stealth" jizz soaped onto them.
What happened to having many reliable vessels instead of a few untested ones, not to mention the total lack of improvements in preparing for "regular warfare" where both sides are equally equipped.
Tbh the future form of naval combat will be submarines that dive deep as fuck and carry a shitload of missiles. Everything else is pointless because of how good missiles have become.
>>74548896
Fucking savage man
>>74555777
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_VIII_Maus
fuck up cunt
SHUTUP YOU GUYS OKAY THE RAMP IS NOT A MEME
DELETE THIS THREAD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>74548922
They're too stupid to operate it though
I'm not excusing this thing but I think what they were trying to go for was "Efficiency of Size" which is fucking absurd in a machine made for fucking killing people.
What you want is a really fucking big hammer, not the most eco-friendly one.
I'm sure that somewhere there's some piece of paper which shows how wonderful this thing is pound for pound when compared to larger more expensive, more heavily crewed vessels in specific cherrypicked scenarios.
Wonderful, that's just what we fucking need.
How about sorting out this first?
https://wikileaks.org/trident-safety/
>>74547462
>gerald ford class
>112, 000 tonnes
>up to 90 total aircraft (helicopters/planes)
>30 knots
>queen elizabeth class
>70,600 tonnes
>40-50 aircraft fully loaded
>30 knots
>a fucking ramp
TFW you see your most powerful aircraft carrier being overtaken by a much larger and much more powerful murican beauty
That carrier so badass they'll think twice and pray five times.
>>74556892
>tfw leftism has made killing people gay and eco-friendly
Time to kill myself.
>>74556944
*35 knots for the gerald ford
>>74556899
Fuck off you commie bastard. When Russia starts gaping you, you will be glad the British taxpayers pay for Trident. Cunt
Ramps are cool for smaller carriers though
>>74546667
>2016
>carrier
Are you fucking serious? Even when fucking Somali has long range missiles?
>>74557117
>>74557117
Never get tired of this meme
>>74546667
>Be UK
>Let in 300k potential terrorists per year
>Think an aircraft carrier will protect them somehow
mfw
>>74549021
There are hardly any browns in the armed forces at all.
Muslims almost never join, there are I think around 400 muslims in the British armed forces. There are more 'Britons' fighting for ISIS.
Sikhs probably make up the most of the non whites.
>not equipped with reactors
what the fuck is wrong with you UK no fucking wonder london elected a muslim
fuck
>A
>FUCKING
>RAMP
>>74546839
Damn Russia, that hurts.
>>74546667
what enemies? Some third world shitholes? Besides the enemy is within
>>74557244
Why don't you tell us about all those Canadian aircraft carriers, mate? Show us how it's done.
>>74557240
Someone said to me blacks in the RN get hissed at constantly
Some Sikh recently won the right to not wear a helmet, which is just daft t b h
>>74549456
>protect
kek
stop it
>>74557244
Why would we need nuclear when everything else onboard needs to be replenished at sea, also were never far from a British military/allied naval base
Just an unnecessary cost for no visible gain
>>74546667
America has railguns already, so everyone else will suck American dick regardless of what they have as their "weapons". It'll be as muskets vs clubs, a completely new era.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3C6lrTkBXU
>>74556267
It's an overglorified tug boat that will be torpedo'd in an actual engagement.
>>74557017
why the h8 m8? How does worrying about nuclear submarine safety for the sake of bongland makes me a cunt?
>>74547312
more chance of emu war2 the electric boogaloo
>>74550356
That's a barge m8
>implying that enemies are only outside
