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How can anyone be Christian and pro war?
I told a hard core Protestant cuck at work today that I didn't think Bush was a Christian because the Iraq war violated Saint Augustinians just war doctrine. Also told him the US should not fund or protect Israel.
Lets give some context though. I'm a Iraq war veteran who served in infantry. I'm also a devout catholic.
He got very angry but didn't know what to say. He physically shutdown.
Pro war, Protestant Cucks who worship Israel and don't serve in the military are the worst.
>>74419634
I'm protestant and I am ok with war morality wise. What's your deal here?
>>74419634
How much kebab did you remove?
>>74420232
Really? Because I'm anti war. And I'm a veteran and a Catholic.
Read Saint Augustine just war doctrine. People like Bush will be in hell.
Also, I'm known too many Zionist Jew worshiping Protestants. They still think Jews are God chosen people.
>>74420528
None. But I often regret serving. I really wish the sons of cucksertives were drafted to the front lines.
few more thinks about this guy.
>against drinking
>no cussing "watch your language"
>sucks Jew dick, thinks GW Bush was a good president.
>too good to join the Army and put his money where his month is.
>>74420619
>Read Saint Augustine just war doctrine
Can you summarize it?
>They still think Jews are God chosen people
Yes I see this too. What are Catholics beliefs on the Jews? Martin Luther hated Jews.
>>74420941
>Can you summarize it?
Only defensive wars are justified.
The AIPAC controlled military using the CIA to topple governments, and invade and kill millions of sand niggers in Iraq is not Christian.
>>74421952
What if proactive action is needed for defense? In the case of the Iraq war we thought they had WMDs.
>>74423347
Good goy.
>>74423563
you are
>>74423347
>thinks Iraq was a threat.
Nigger, we have WMD's fuck off with that argument.
And we never found them. Ever. Trump is right, Bush lied.
>>74424249
They were certainly a threat to our operation in Afghanistan if they had wmds. Bush didn't lie, he was a victim of bad intel.
>>74424850
You have to be shitting me. So you think letting thousands of US troops die for no reason in Iraq was worth it?
like.... fucking how? I was deployed there, I knew right off the bat that those sand niggers were not going to be good at operating our transplanted democratic satellite.
Seriously, fuck you. Its times like these, I wish I never served, so niggers like you were drafted.
>>74425837
I don't think it was worth it no. I agree that it was a mistake. But it was an unavoidable mistake. With the intel we were given we made the move we had to make. Unfortunately we were mistaken.
>>74419634
Why bother with all this internal divisiveness when THIS shit is happening?
>http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/18/de-blasio-fine-businesses-wrong-gender-pronouns/
You fucking Americans are now letting your lefties LITERALLY PUNISH YOU LEGALLY FOR """""MISGENDERING"""" THEM AND YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT
But noooooo gotta cause infighting between the Christians and atheists and whatnot on the board instead don't you OP?
I came to the catalog of /pol/ expecting to see this on the frontpage, and instead it's fucking infighting BULLSHIT
>>74420619
kill yourself christcuck
>>7
ITT Catholics try to be smug but are the most retarded
>>74426180
Bill de Blasio is a ultra far left liberal fool, and New York is also very liberal. This stuff is no surprise and it's law only affects the city
>>74426087
Very avoidable. I say, the war in Afghanistan was a mistake.
What we should have did was stop funding the sand niggers in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
Oh, and end all communications and aid to Israel.
Also, we were already at war with Iraq before we invaded.
We were bombing them for years.
>>74420803
So why do you care?
Why don't you fuck off to reddit with your Facebook tier post. muh Iraq war muh Bush muh zionism
To top it off you're a Catholic so you're a real fucking faggot lmao
Nobody cares, bye
>>74425837
>Seriously, fuck you. Its times like these, I wish I never served, so niggers like you were drafted.
You signed up for it
Oh wow you're a vet, get over yourself. Do you want me to lick your boots too?
>>74426631
>the war in Afghanistan was a mistake.
You expect us not to respond to the 9/11 attacks? Al-Quaida had to be destroyed.
>being berated on religious doctrine by a Catholic
I'm sure your coworker ignored you and had a nice laugh later
>>74426456
>This stuff is no surprise and it's law only affects the city
Yeah you dumb fuck I'm sure that's what the KKK were telling themselves about desegregation, too
It starts a precedent, if you don't nip it in the bud where it is now, it's going to be increasingly difficult to kill.
But no, conveniently /pol/ happens to be full of 1-reply shitposting and porn threads today.
Hope you enjoy calling everyone at work "jfrhbrfij" and "heyr-pryncess" or getting sued.
>>74426933
Saudis did it.
>>74427125
He does drink, worships Jews, and speaks in tongs. Against cussing and joining the Army.
Supports wars in the middle east.
He probably did laugh.
>>74427485
>doesn't drink
>>74427125
tell me more about solo fides anon. Why did Jesus waste so much time telling people to help their fellow man when none of it mattered?
>>74427508
since when do Christians ban alcohol?
is that an american thing like in the Prohibition era?
>>74419634
based
>>74430431
They never did. It's seen as a vice and these things are usually bad. The bible does say drunkeness is a sin, but I believe it refers to a person being a belligerent drunk.
>>74431425
cant imagine they would mention jesus & pals drinking if it was considered a sin.
>>74419634
I love that some people are so indoctrinated that they not only belief in a god, but also listen to 'saints'.
Wait, no, i fucking hate it.
>>74431774
Drinking and drunkenness aren't really the same thing. Plus persons back then mixed wine with water because the wine would kill the bacteria.
>>74431908
Catholics suck. Agreed.
>>74419634
>Saint Augustinians just war doctrine.
It's St Thomas Aquinas who made the doctrine, St Augustine just had some scattered mentions about the topic.
>>74420619
I've met a lot of Muslim loving Catholics.
Mostly the Pope.
>>74434329
you met the pope?
>>74419634
Never heard of the Crusades?
Most people will argue that we are in the Crusades 2.0
All Abrahamic faiths can find a way to justify violence. It's one of the reasons the major three (judaism, christianity, islam) are the last remaining 'cultures' in human society.
>>74424850
Mate. Fucking Pakistan has WMDs and they're more of a liability than Saddam.
The US elites went into Iraq because Saddam tried to sell oil in Euros (among a few other bad strategic moves). Don't EVER try and get off the petrodollar.
>>74434767
>Never heard of the Crusades?
the first 2 and somewhat the third were all defensive wars, don't get your panties in a bunch
>>74434767
Lol, people were actually getting attacked by Muslim armies when the Crusades were announced.
>>74420619
If you follow the theory of just war either augistinius or the modern iteration you basically are a pacifist because the requirements for a just war are so hard to meet.
Good for you friend
>>74435020
Please tell me how Christian Europe marching into Islam ME territory is defensive?
No seriously.
>>74435102
And you would be right on that. I am pretty much a pacifist.
Unless America is actually getting invaded, I see no need for us to fight meaningless wars.
>>74435180
The idea of the Crusade was a righteous one. In practice, not so much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4ENPy0mqOE
>>74435180
I stand corrected. You were right, a quick GS pulled up a bunch of 'defensive Crusade' links.
I too am Catholic and served in Iraq and Afghanistan although I red-pilled myself earlier so I made myself into a MEDEVAC pilot as I could not justify killing in those wars. As a result I helped save American/coalition lives as well as burned up/shot up kids and enemy alike. I know a lot of vets who don't sleep well due to things they did in those fucked up wars and I'm lucky I was able to do something easier on the soul.
In a war with a real (valid) enemy, aka Israel, I would gladly go balls-out as a machine gunner mowing 'em down. I'm Catholic too btw.
The only true enemy of humanity is parasitism. The most valid wars are wars fought against the banks. They are very rare. WWII was one. The Revolutionary War in America was another. The Crusades were fought to recapture Christian lands and free enslaved Christians, the "but muh Crusades were evil" meme is an ignorant joke.
Evangelicals however are the most blue-pilled retarded group of douchebags I know of. The absolute dumbest, most cucked, ignorant mother fuckers imaginable.
>>74435298
I had always heard it was political and strategic under the guise of religion - at least, from the Elites perspective.
As for this new knowledge that Islam was jihading on European turf - doesn't fucking surprise me.
>>74426180
This would upset me usually, but since NYers support and encourage the dumbassery that we all warned would lead to this, I say let these assholes lay in their own shit. It doesn't affect me. It honestly just makes me laugh. The only problem that I foresee is NY assholes moving out and coming to my state because of this and then making my state suck too.
>>74435438
Ya... I know what you mean.
I feel like I got through Iraq pretty unscathed. I didn't kill anyone, ect.
But the real toll for me is seeing all the ruined lives of these vets. I have a few friends who seem like they will never be the same...
Whats odd to me, is how little in common these ground ponders have with the "no cussing, don't drink ever" Christians who push for these wars and "support" the Troops.
They seem to think they are too good to serve, and all the Trailer Trash should fight and die for Israel.
Shit makes me sick to my stomach. Its a struggle sometimes not struggling this Pentecostal Jew worshiper at my job.
>>74424850
>Bush didn't lie, he was a victim of bad intel.
>>74435920
You should push harder against him, you have the Christian background to convert the guy.
>>74435920
Jesus Christ are you from 2005? This is all old news.
>no drinking Christians
Are you going to bring back the "evolution denial" or "6000 year earth" unicorn stereotypes also? Seriously, have you been in Iraq for that long?
Pro-tip: Nobody comes back from war the "same". It doesn't matter whether the war was just or not.
>>74419634
Verse after verse in the bible about how to wage war... Story after story of war and conquest, and you're going to tell me because a few chapters denounce it that the christian faith is anti-war? No, no it's not.
If we'd wage war as the bible prescribed, we'd probably end up having to go to war a hell of a lot less often. Kill everything, men, women, children, and cattle. Scorched earth warfare prevents future generations from coming back to seek revenge, see: ISIS.
>>74435298
i hate to play devils advocate here, but the video is just awful.
he register each and every battle fought by a Muslim state against europeans as a jihad,
while failing to register even all the battles that were fought by the literal crusaders.
>>74436481
The Crusades weren't prefect.
More propaganda for turning Jew-loving Christians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=styLx-iWwC8
>>74436550
its good that we can agree on that,
but what im saying is that his "research" deeply flawed, if not deceptive.
>>74436481
All Crusader battles were defensive, because the area was once Christian.
>>74436651
He mentions Crusader battles here
https://youtu.be/I_To-cV94Bo?t=3m48s
>>74435920
I hear you. I left the Army as a captain largely because I could no longer stand keeping my mouth shut around sacks of shit who understand basically nothing about the world but are beside themselves with concern over their careers. My concern was why the fuck are we in these fucked up wars at all, why do we essentially work for Jews/Israel who assrape up with their banking families who own the Federal Reserve which is in and of itself a totally illogical scam that fucks over untold people into poverty. How do none of these supposed enlightened officers above me not know any of this shit in the modern age when ignorance bears no excuse.
Evangelicals though, like I said, they are the worst. At least one could argue that Jews largely can't help themselves. The pre-vatican II Church properly named the Jew and called them out on their bullshit. The modern Church is in trouble because Vatican II and the holocaust fable allowed Christ's sacrifice to be supplanted by the 6 gajillion, so everything is based on a hierarchy of suffering in this fucked up world and Jews placed themselves at the top. Now the "Jew" literally might as well be Jesus to these Evangelical morons since they have so much apparently "uncaused" and "unjust" suffering, never0mind why Hitler was booting them out (betrayed during WWI by bringing America in on the side of England anyone?) or why Queen Isabella or anyone else in history ever booted the parasitical Christ-deniers.
Its hard to red pill evangelicals because their starting point is literally "Catholics are satanic" half the time and they have no idea what they are talking about or how illogical they are ALL the time. I can rip their arguments to shreds and I've done it in person but I end up feeling bad because then they mope around and will never talk to you again, act like you are the devil for trying to explain reality etc. I feel your pain, bottom line.
>>74436664
that's a definition of a defensive war im not familiar with...
>>74436769
i watched it the first time it was posted. he didnt include many crusades battles in it.
>>74431910
>>74431910
sure they did
>>74436874
Full 40 min video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y
>>74436874
Islam caliphates essentially conquered the classical Christian Roman empire and forcefully converted it's inhabitants to Islam. Thus, all Crusader battles were liberation wars.
>>74431908
t. Calvijn.
Why don't you go join your buddies of IS in Syria? They would totally agree..
>>74420619
>anti war. And I'm a veteran and a Catholic
You're a faggot who isn't consistent in his actions and beliefs. If you're anti-war and didn't want to be a good goy you shouldn't have signed up for the military.
>>74436844
>"Catholics are satanic" half the time and they have no idea what they are talking about or how illogical they are ALL the time. I can rip their arguments to shreds and I've done it in person but I end up feeling bad because then they mope around and will never talk to you again, act like you are the devil for trying to explain reality etc. I feel your pain, bottom line.
Feel like that sorta happened to me today. He was so pissed that I claimed fighting preemptive war was not Christian and the US has no need to protect or support Israel.
Its like I told him God was dead. He just looked down
"we are done debating"
I can tell he is really torn because he "supports" the troops and all that. I guess he can't understand why a combat veteran would be against meaningless war lol.
I know he will get over it, but the brainwash is real.
>>74437319
My views were not fully formed when I was 19 years old.
Also, I'm a Catholic convert. I converted after I got out. But I was anti war before that.
>>74437159
he said in the short vid that those were all of the crusade battles. is he going to refute that in the longer video?
>>74437246
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Constantinople_(1204)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades
>>74437528
No, not all Crusader battles were justified. The Wars on pagans and the Siege of Constantinople was dumb as fuck. I was referring to Islam vs Christianity. He doesn't reference those battles as well.
>>74437700
*I mean he doesn't reference Christian vs Pagan and Christian vs Christian battles.
>>74437528
Is Israel going to give a lecture to the goy on when the violent taking of land is/is not justified?Well oi fucking vey!
perhaps he's wondering why someone would shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane
>>74437755
those battles in yemen and iran are against christians?
were the northern crusades not crusades?
come on man.
thats even before we take into account the religious justification used in a lot of the colonial wars.
also, you said all crusades were liberation wars, which i hope we can now agree is a false statement.
>>74437795
i think all this justification game is just stupid.
justice and wars have very little to do with with eachother.
>>74438054
>i think all this justification game is just stupid.
>>74438373
>after being thoroughly proven wrong, billy bob felt he only had one card left in his hand.
>Protestant
>Quoting Catholic Saints
ITT: Stories that never happened and OP just wanted to argue
>>74421952
The crusades were extremely defensive rite???
Every war is "defensive war". You can always justify it as "We are going over enemy lines to protect our homes" and "We attack them now so they wont rise against us later, that's DEFENSIVE!". So your whole ideology is based on politician lies.
Also, USA has more to gain from protecting israel than israel has to gain. I won't go into details btu it seems like whole /pol/ is fucked in the head about the details. USA gives around 3Billion to israel each year, in exchange israel is not permitted to buy equipment from anyone else but the USA. Believe me as someone connected to millitary affairs aswell, israel could get MUCH more than your petty 3billion if they would trade with china and india (which USA does not permit) rather than with the USA, and USA knows it and want to keep their influence around here.
Get educated.
>>74419634
Because Yahweh of Hosts, our father, our God, is a God of war.
Exodus 15:3
Yahweh is a man of war. Yahweh is his name.
http://biblehub.com/exodus/15-3.htm
Exodus 14:14
The LORD shall fight for you, and ye shall hold your peace.
Psalm 24:8
Who is this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle.
>>74419634
Liar u didn't tell anyone at work. Ur a pussy.
>>74440672
The crusades were very defensive and reactionary, yeah. Learn about it and come back.
>>74441372
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades
such defence, very reaction.
>>74441372
You only justify my point.
Its exactly what im saying, any war is defensive from a certain point of view. If you'd ask muslims who lived in jerusalem at the time it was sacked if the crusade was offensive or defensive you'll get a different answer.
Point being, almost every war can be justified and argued as defensive as long as there is a political or religious need for it.
