Why shouldn't I vote for Bernie Sanders?
>I'm poor
>I'm in debt from college
>I want free health care (I'll be willing to pay an extra 10 bucks for health care)
>I am against the loopholes of tax for the rich
>I believe globalization and free trade are great things
>I'm tired of how I'm forced to bank with huge banks like Chase, who nickle and dime me
Seriously Why not vote for Bernie?
>>74402571
You sound like an economically illiterate, whiny loser, so you probably should vote for him. You'd fit right in with the rest of the nu-male beta cucks.
>>74402571
10 bucks extra, while everyone else sees massive tax hikes, the so called middle class ends up paying for the welfare state, and guess what you are probably white and therefore privledged, no help for you buckaroo. : D enjoy socialism.
> I'm an economically illiterate whiner
> I'm lazy
> I want other people to be forced to give me free stuff
Yeah, I think Bernie is your guy OP
>>74402571
>>I believe globalization and free trade are great things
he's against those things
>Seriously Why not vote for Bernie?
because the solution to your problems is hard work, not a populist fraud
>>74402770
exactly this not even trolling
>>74402770
fpbp
>Why not vote for Bernie?
Because he won't be on the ballot, that's why not
Biggest whiners out there are conservatives who are so super special but "somehow" can't do anything if mean old government enforces basic rules (tell the truth, clean up after yourself, pay for goods and services, etc).
>>74402830
doesn't matter to me, multimillionaires can afford more than i can. I don't expect to eat steak every night, but I do believe i can get a bit more than the shithole i have now.
>>74402876
It's not free, I understand that. I'm even willing to pay a bit more taxes to benefit all.
>>74402896
>ecause the solution to your problems is hard work, not a populist fraud
I do not dispute this, but we all should be paying a bit more tax for the benefit of all.
I make a 1000 dollars a month. After taxes I take home about 700 dollars. I can be taxed an extra 100 dollars or so to benefit everyone. If I can live off 600 dollars, a millionaire can live off few thousands
>>74403096
>Biggest whiners out there are conservatives
Found a picture of you
>>74402571
>want free health care
>willing to pay extra 10 bucks for health care
wut
>>74403269
>If I can live off 600 dollars, a millionaire can live off few thousands
>implying you have some sort of divine authority to determine what other people can and can't do with their own fucking money
Yeah, nah. You can fuck right off, you parasitic retard.
>>74403269
Thinking the millionaires are gonna stick around for that, top kek, nah, anyone working even at wendys and shit will be paying for gibs. But it doesn't matter since Hillary has the Democratic nomination locked in.
>>74403269
so instead of directly paying 100 dollars for the things you want, you'd rather be forced to pay the government those 100 dollars, for them to pay a huge and inefficient bureaucratic apparatus, who will then provide things you mostly won't need?
How much is private health insurance for a young healthy adult? Probably $50/mo? Doesn't the employer pay it in America?
>>74402571
Because he has 0% chance of winning.
He'll drop out after the CA primary. Screenshot this post. His latest row with the DNC is just posturing.
>>74402571
How can you vote for a man that won't be in the election?
>>74402571
You will break what's left of the class that is giving you the freebies you already get, and then you will have nothing
>>74402571
>implying your existing college debt will magically disappear
Bern victims are truly delusional
>I'm in debt from college
Tough luck bitch
>Implying Bernie can win
>>74402571
American Socialism is a pyramid scam designed to vampire as much capital from a shrinking youth labor pool into a dying older generation. In order for Socialism to work, a nation must maintain a 2.1 positive birthrate. That is one child to replace the woman, one child to replace the man, and one extra good little taxpayer. Their must be enough young and working people to support the leeches and retirees or the entire scam crumbles like a house of cards.
The problem with this is, Americans are not breeding. America has a 1.88 birthrate, not enough to replace the retiring older generation and thus finance their retirement. What happens when a pyramid scam starts cracking at the foundation?
America imports third worlders to fill the gap in the shrinking labor pool due to the older generations not breeding. The workers imported arrive via Illegal Immigration, H1B visas, and Amnesty Programs.
Examples include; Yemen=4.1 birthrate, Somalia=6.6 birthrate, Mexico=2.2 birthrate, India= 2.5 birthrate, Pakistan=3.2 birthrate
Well, with this we can already see a problem. In due time, the immigrants will outbreed the dying native population and replace it. Which leads into the next problem.
THE WELFARE STATE propagated via rampant Socialist governments. These include as examples; Social Security, Section 8, Welfare, Student Loans, Disability, Medicare, Medicaid, Student Lunches, Food Stamps and on and on and on.
Immigrants get access to this Welfare State as soon as they step into our borders. Why should they work and contribute to the older generations retirement? So, with a welfare state in place that actively encourages the immigrants to leech off the tax payers and not contribute, we get an even bigger burden on the pyramid scam.
If you are poor it's only yourself to blame I made a successful business online and I don't even pay taxes
>>74404366
proxy go
>White people cant be poor
He's not fit to be president
>>74404416
Are you a jobless failure too?
>>74404339
And once the original people die off, and no one to support the shitskins, the country sinks to third world status.
>>74404535
Technically jobless but I don't have anything to do with this thread but I'm pretty sure your island is just a myth cant trick me
>>74404366
Im on mobile what is this
>>74404535
>>74403269
>I'm even willing to pay a bit more taxes to benefit all
>implying government bureaucracy is known for its efficient allocation of resources
You're a naive child, just like all other Bern victims. Take some history classes, micro and macro econ courses, and an econometrics class.
>>74404927
Tuvalu
>>74402571
>globalization
>good
Get out
>>74402571
You might as well. Even though Hillary is guaranteed to win, voting for Bernie will at least make things more interesting. Because of the super delegates your vote really doesn't matter anyway.
>>74404601
Sweden 1.9 Birthrate
Norway 1.9 Birthrate
Germany 1.38 Birthrate
It's happening all over the western world. Socialist states are dying, being invaded by shitskins, or in the middle of collapse themselves(Venezuela). There is not enough good little taxpayers being born to fill the gap left behind by old people and leeches and the governments are running out of money to fund their pyramid scam. Socialist states die. It's not a matter of if, it's when.
>>74402571
Sounds like it's in your interest to vote Sanders.
Only your short-term interest, though.
Young students always want to vote for socialism because they think it leads to free money for them. But it would also make it impossible for them to ever become successful in the middle class, because as soon as they start making adult money they're be the ones getting taxed into oblivion. It is and always has been a short-sighted solution for short-sighted demographics.
I have no idea where you got the notion that Sanders is for free trade.
Stick by your guns Sanders guy
>>74404463
This.
I used to see Bernie as the old guy who just really wants to help blacks. But after he said that white people can't be poor, I saw him for the jew that he is.Even Trump said that not all illegal immigrants are bad people.
>>74402571
Go ahead and vote for him. He's the candidate tailored for you. I, on the other hand, have a job and have healthcare, so I don't give a shit about those things and have no reason to vote for him.
For now, there seems to be a lot of other people in the same position as me, so the chance of Sanders winning anything other than a few primaries is slim. We'll see how long that lasts though.
>>74403269
>but we all should be paying a bit more tax for the benefit of all.
Fuck off. Says who? I'm not paying for jack shit for some loser. Why don't you go ask Bill Gates to fund your social welfare program.
And what are you even talking about? What are you going to use that tax for? The government is just going to throw it at old people who need gov't pensions because they were too fucking selfish and short-sighted to save when they were young. Or it'll give a bunch of bullshit jobs to inner city minorities to win their political support. You want higher taxes? What for? Can you even name something specific?
>If I can live off 600 dollars, a millionaire can live off few thousands.
I got news for you. Anyone ambitious enough and resourceful enough to start a company, or manage a big one, or be an entrepreneur in general, is going to go somewhere else if he or she cannot enjoy the fruit of their labors here in the US. Those entrepreneurs are the reason the US has achieved what it's achieved (moon landing, Voyager probe, etc).
As an example. I just read an article in The Economist, about some hard-boiled egg manufacturer who didn't like paying $50,000 a year to dispose of the egg shells of his product. So he worked with a researcher to devise a method for converting egg shells into powdered calcium carbonate, which he then sold to polymer companies for use as a filler. That's enterprise, and the government can't do it. They can only create the conditions that encourage it, and get out of the way. Anything else invites disaster.
>>74402571
>I'm in debt from college
Why did you go to college knowing you couldn't pay for it?
>>74405445
And P.S., starting a company requires a ton of work, personal investment, and risk. Ask anyone who runs their own business, and they'll tell you that they think about their company 24/7. Most of them use their own money to get the business off the ground. Are you suggesting that in the slim chance their business succeeds (most fail), they ought to be rewarded with obscene tax rates so a bunch of under-achieving hyper-consumers can buy more craft beers and sushi?
Most millionaires, by the way, have only $1-10 million in net worth, and live WELL below their means. The most commonly owned car among millionaires is the Ford F-150.
Do you want to tax corporate profit? Earned income? Saved wealth? The specifics matter.
>>74402571
>>74405475
I could pay for it. But education is a right, not a privilege.
>>74405445
Best post in this thread.
>>74405445
>Fuck off. Says who? I'm not paying for jack shit for some loser. Why don't you go ask Bill Gates to fund your social welfare program.
Uhh... that's the point? Gates will be paying more taxes to help a majority of us. I will be doing my fair share as well with my % of income being taken out too.
>You want higher taxes? What for? Can you even name something specific?
Free health care, free college, stronger military, better social security, better transportation, all public goods me and you use.
>Do you want to tax corporate profit? Earned income? Saved wealth? The specifics matter.
All of it. We all should be doing our part in giving a bit more for the benefit of all.
>>74405778
>But education is a right
>It's a right of mine to force someone else to teach me things
Kill yoself desu senpai
>>74403297
>abloobloobloo everything is someone else's fault dur hur personal responsibility
>>74406182
Yes it is a right to have someone force me teach me things. But it's also my right to not learn. Wow you Trumpets are idioits.
>>74402571
Voting for Bernie won't make you less poor, take away your college debt, or give you free health care, and it will support the corporations and bankers that pay Bernie's salary and campaign.
Seriously why vote for Bernie?
Only thing you'll get you said is globalization. But Hillary will do that to, so just let it die cuck.
>>74402571
How do you think globalization and free trade are great things. Enjoy being unemployed due to globalization and free trade.
>>74405996
>more taxes so I can have more things
Wow. You aren't even ashamed of how much a selfish lazy asshat you sound are you...
>>74406483
>free trade
>bad
>>74406387
You are such an idiot, how is it your right to have someone teach you things? What about someone's right to refuse to teach you things? If you want to learn something google it.
And you say globalization and free trade are good things? You know those are probably the reason you make a $1000 a month and have student debt still and probably til you die.
I guess you did not take basic macro economics in pursuits of your shit post secondary education.
>>74406483
Free trade allows for cheaper goods for the consumers. And eventually the globe will allow for better competition and specialization amongst different countries.
US has a huge specialization in food. Free Trade and globalization allows the US to raise prices of their corn to counteract the cheaper TVs from China. We'll all have jobs.
>>74402770
This.
Fucking hang yourself OP, you spoiled, entitled, undisciplined, spineless shit.
>>74406483
>posted from a device made in china
>>74402571
Because you not only want to stay poor, but drag the rest of us back down with you?
Good plan, OP.
Might explain why you...
Nah; forget it.
Have a nice life.
Another thing the randbots don't get is self interest. Oh they love to praise the virtue of selfishness. But let OP vote in what he believes to be his self interest and watch them fly off into a rage. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
>>74407020
>What about someone's right to refuse to teach you things?
uhh.. teachers are paid by taxes? If they don't want to teach they can do other things. It's their choice to enter the profession. However it's still a right for the citizens to have a free public education. There's more than enough people willing to become teachers.
>>74402571
>Why not vote for Bernie?
>>74402571
You're a loser, so Bernie would be great for you.
>>74402571
>(I'll be willing to pay an extra 10 bucks for health care)
nigger where does all the fucking money come from to pay for healthcare.
10 bucks doesnt pay the nurse for having to wheel your fat ass inside.
>>74402571
if socialists understood economics, they wouldn't be socialists
I challenge you to read a book on economics, such as Adam Smiths - Wealth of Nations
>>74402571
You should vote for bernie
even if he doesn't win the primary you should encourage all your friends to do the same
>>74403269
Poor welfare babby here.
Fuck you, and the bull your wife rides on.
>>74407247
>takes only 5000 people to pay for a 50,000/year nurse
>get taxed $10 dollars/paycheck
>26 checks
>260 dollars out of the year
>5000 people can raise 1.3 million
>hires 26 new nurses
Look I just created 26 great paying jobs, and these 26 can equally contribute to the general welfare fund based on their proportional income.
>>74407055
Because abloobloobloo the goyim won't assemble $600 phones for $3 per day.
>>74407262
I already did, I also read Karl Marx's manifesto, and Marx's theories and policies are better than Smith's theories and policies.
The invisible hand leads to things like the Jungle where people can sell spoiled meat, as well as huge displacement of the less fortunate. Read some Steinbeck to get a glimpse what happens when you fall into Smith's propaganda and theories.
>>74407438
you forgot all the other shit thats required to treat your fat ass.
you only raise about 62 billion a year off of a 10 dollar paycheck tax.
probably around 100 billion if you include all possible workers.
that sounds like it would buy a great socialist healthcare service.
>>74407762
thank you. You just made my point. for just 10 fucking dollars healthcare for the country can be paid.
>>74408035
enjoy that shit tastic socialist healthcare service.
>>74404339
and women voted the welfare state into existence so they could marry the state and get mens money for free
>>74408154
how would that be shitastic? go in, get healthcare, get out. No need to bend to the will of insurance companies with overcharged pills too
>>74403269
Fucking welfare rats are the worst
>spoiler alert
Non-white?
>>74402571
>I am a parasite and will thus be voting sanders with the other parasites
>>74407589
so your in favor of involuntary wealth redistribution? we all just vote to take stuff from the rich and give it our selves?
but it's not theft if we vote for it, right?
>>74408399
>>74403269
>If I can live off 600 dollars, a millionaire can live off few thousands
Holy fuck this fucking mentality makes me fucking mad. Why don't you first earn a few thousands and then decide if you want to give even more to the government?
And you idiots act like we don't work to earn that shit and then talk like you fucking deserve our money.
Thank god it's other rich people that control those laws.
>>74408659
of course not, the rich uses the services we all need. The roads, police, firemen, teachers, medicare, medicaid, etc. How is it theft? Everyone is going to help pay for it.
>>74402571
>went to college
>has a bank account
Sorry OP, but you sound better off than most Americans.
Communism will hurt you more than it will help, since the unemployed and refugees will be needing your money more than you do.
>>74408799
they already pay more than the average man, what right do you have to demand even more? just because they have stuff? you didn't explain how taking someones stuff isn't theft
>>74408970
they can proportionally pay more. That's the point. We all can add a bit more to the general fund to help all.
>>74403269
How the fuck can you only earn 1000 dollars a month with a college degree? I was making 45k a year at 20 years old as a college drop out while working in a car factory.
>>74409145
are you unable to answer my questions?
or do you somehow think that you are actually answering them?
is it that you know I am correct?
>>74403269
Nobody owes you money just for existing, you fucking degenerate leech. If you're that afraid of hard work, why don't you do us all a favor and off yourself. It's a win-win. You don't have to worry about work, and we don't have to worry about you.
>>74409145
>help all
My country has "free" healthcare and most people still opt for employer and third party coverage because our government is the most inefficient shit in the world.
How the fuck do you expect a country with 10x the population with an already strained healthcare system to no collapse under itself?
Doctors don't just magically appear when less money enters the system.
>>74403269
What are you in college for?
Woman's Studies?
>Hey, let's set up a society of workers, soldiers, peasants and intellectuals
Bill, you can be the worker and manufacture all our goods
Jim, you can be the soldier and get your leg blown off fighting all our wars
Ted, you can be the peasant and supply all our food
and what will you do?
>Oh, I will be the intellectual and sit all day on my arse telling you all what to do
Some animals are more equal than others
google Why Johnny Can't Think pdf or check 4+4chan /pdfs/
>>74407130
Nigger are you so retarded that in the year of our Lord 2016 we still need to pay a government employee to "teach"? How did you get here? Did you use google to do that? Guess what public education is already free you dumb faggot, it's called a library and it's called the Internet. For that low price of $35/mo. or whatever your cable subscription is you can download an archive of all of human writing and literature and teach yourself not to be retarded enough to stop thinking like a fucking slave and needing massah government to take care of badic things like making you read a book and take notes. Guess what you don't need a fucking tax to hire a cheap tutor. Goddam it people like you afflicted with slave mentality need to be shot.
>>74408035
If I recall correctly the Feds spent like 900 billion on healthcare in 2015.
>>74402571
so you want everyone to pay for your bad decisions. neat
you should vote for trump, its probably the only useful thing you'll ever do.
>>74409145
And if they don't want to pay more than the bare minimum, then what? Force? What if a wealthy person doesn't care about your precious commune of sub 80 IQ parasites? What if they only want to lay what they owe to the government and none for the poor or less fortunate?
>>74409638
You probably plop a kid in front of Khan Academy and sit next to him and he'll be able to learn faster than any kid in public school. The only benefit public schooling has is to teach them social skills.
>>74409578
Define "strained".
We've got a shitload of healthcare infrastructure, it's just poorly distributed.
For example, we're second only to japan in MRI machines per million people.
>>74409843
Who did you vote for in 08 and 12?
>>74409322
That's fucking idiotic questioning, your position is just to remove taxes in general then. But government cannot exist without taxes. Social Contract theory by your very own John Locke, already argued why government exists, and how taxes are forms of tribute for safety and services. Raising taxes allow for better care for all. The simple reason that they decide to want to live in this country is enough to justify raising taxes for all.
>>74409346
I'm paying part of my income as well. And when I earn more income, I will be paying my proportion equivalent to what I'll be making. If it involves paying more money, so be it.
>>74409578
Obviously, since currently the government is in the competition of healthcare, and the problem is needing to compete for healthcare. If the government centralizes the healthcare system, and actually controls it, there'll be easy price ceilings and floors to control prices.
There is no reason why an outside service is to provide for a much needed general common good. And Doctors will be getting paid much better with better protection than now. Currently doctors pay a premium to insurance companies and lawyers. By centralizing the healthcare system, doctors are actually protected by bogus lawsuits, and they can actually do what they want to do and that's be doctors, not insurance manipulators
>>74409843
I'm referring to wait times and such alongside rankings in magazines like Forbes. Like you said, its there but its poorly distributed and that won't change when the government gets involved.
With socialized healthcare, people are lot more willing to clog up waiting rooms even for the most minor shit. 4 hour wait times while you have a fractured vertebra isn't fun.
>>74409810
And it doesn't even fucking do that. You teach kids social skills by letting them tag along with you wherever people socialize. Honestly i think this is a great myth. A lot of people learn to be insecure, get misdiagnosed with ADHD, get to be beaten up by assholes with shitty parents, get hooked on drugs, etc. I see no real evidence that public schools improve socialization in children.
>>74409697
>And if they don't want to pay more than the bare minimum, then what? Force?
Then get out of the country. We need to force people to pay for services that help the general good. Hence the military. How big of a cuck are you to not want to help the military PROTECT your assets? Same thing with healtcare, police, teachers, firement, etc. All these things actually help protect your very own company. And if you have more to lose, you would gladly pay more to protect them. Higher taxes easily do that.
And guess what, these taxes actually protect you from these 80 IQ parasites.
>>74409810
This isn't true. Generally most people can't learn shit being plopped in front of a computer. Look at 4chan.
>>74409612
>hillary doesnt land on Bernie
>>74410212
Public school is baby sitting at tax payer expense for mostly single mothers at this point.
It is a gigantic waste of money.
>>74410116
>doctors will be getting paid much better
are you fucking daft? Nearly every hopstial has its own legal department in the event of a malpractice case, not to mention private practices would refuse to lower their wages because "the government told them to"
Not to mention, once the government gets involved, the entire system would be controlled by lobbyists.
I doubt you've ever had socialized medicine. I'd rather have my employer take care of me and pay 100 bucks a month for health insurance than deal with wait times upwards of 6 hours.
>>74410366
As for free education, it has been proven that higher education leads to better safety. It is in your own vested self-interest to actually give free college for Tyrone and Cletus to stop them from crime.
>>74410116
>what right do you have to demand even more? just because they have stuff? you didn't explain how taking someones stuff isn't theft
and you answered bla bla john locke says I can take everyones money bwahahaha, it's not theft if I really want it and vote for it
you do know that when socialists say they want to redistribute the wealth, they don't mean their own, right?
you know that even when the masses in the USSR were starving, the party elites were still dining on caviar and champagne?
if increasing the taxes on the rich is justifiable, why stop at 10% extra? why not just take the lot? you know, since WE own it, not them!
>>74406658
He's just trollin' brah. Don't fall for it.
>>74402571
Because he's Jewish.
Guys this guy is an epic troll.
>>74410366
Clearly it is true since if you spent 20 minutes reading up on socialized healthcare systems and how macro economics work, this thread wouldn't exist.
>t. someone who works with self taught programmers
>>74402571
>I'm poor
>I'm in debt from college
>I want free health care (I'll be willing to pay an extra 10 bucks for health care)
>I am against the loopholes of tax for the rich
>I'm poor and never will be rich after Sanders taxes everyone heavily
>>74410492
What is your major?
Also, why do you feel entitled to others money?
>>74410496
>you do know that when socialists say they want to redistribute the wealth, they don't mean their own, right?
Then they're not true socialists.
>you know that even when the masses in the USSR were starving, the party elites were still dining on caviar and champagne?
Yes and? That's not socialism either. It was another form of dictatorial tyranny with another name.
>if increasing the taxes on the rich is justifiable, why stop at 10% extra? why not just take the lot? you know, since WE own it, not them!
Good point. Why only 10%? if the need rises, an additional 20% would be great to help the general good.
>I'm tired of how I'm forced to bank with huge banks like Chase, who nickle and dime me
I have a checking,savings, and retirement account with Chase, they are bro tier 0 fee accounts.
Your just a stupid fuck who overpaid for a worthless piece of paper. That aint the bank's fault.
>>74410116
>government can't exist without taxes
No, a government can't exist without force. Taxes are just a method of using force to extract wealth from everything in your power. Fuck you faggot you want to be a fucking slave to the state and live and die based on the STATE'S ability to provide for you goods that you as a MAN should procure for yourself. But you're so goddamn lazy you think the same government that bombs Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Serbia, Iraq, Syria, the same one that creates laws to lock up black people and the SAME ONE that is financed entirely by international banking cartels and resource extraction orgs is going to give YOU free shit because you "paid your fair share."
Guess what retard. They're ripping you off. They're taking your money and giving you less than your money's worth. That money goes to people in charge of deciding where that money goes. You somehow think the people who designed a system you think is unfair now will somehow make it fair if you get the right tax plan and elect the right Jew for the job. God, you're either a shill or a sucker. Human cattle. You're disgusting.
Do people think Bernie will actually eliminate their current student loans or something?
>>74410710
>What is your major?
I am still deciding on what major to enter, but I am leaning toward business marketing.
>Also, why do you feel entitled to others money?
This isn't entitlement, I am not asking for money personally from people. I am asking for higher taxes to help fund general goods that protect us all. And with more assets, you can afford to pay more to help us all. Even the poorest of people will be paying a bit more. This allows for a better functional economy that improves the well-being and safety for all part of the country.
>>74402571
Because scheduled blackouts would significantly limit your reddit time
Also I doubt you're any good at hunting vermin for food
>>74410850
>No, a government can't exist without force.
and how do you pay for force? Taxation, tribute, plunder, extortion, it doesn't matter.
I just ignored the rest of your post because it was a bunch of garbage conspiracy stuff.
>>74405381
That is totally misconstrued. He did not say it like that
>>74410928
I was construction management with a minor in business.
Business types will want jack shit to do with you.
They like to earn success, you should try it.
>>74410769
Most banks are fine as long as you aren't completely poor.
My TD chequing account is 0 fees as long as I keep 10k in it.
>inb4 b-b-b-but they're holding it hostage!
Easily the most flexible bank in my country and they let me transfer money with 0 problems or fees. They also have an American Debit system as well as a shitload of account protection.
>>74410928
>I'm not entitled to everyone's money
>everyone is entitled to everyone else's money
>everyone should give up some money and give it everyone else
>this is better than just letting everyone keep their money and spend it how they want
>>74402571
>I believe globalization and free trade are great things
Get the fuck out now. You are completely unaware that you are a slave to the globalist's cock.
>>74410928
And with the expansion of government it somehow suddenly becomes more efficient?
How precisely does that come to be?
>>74411094
You pay for force by me beating the shit out of you with a rock i found lying on the ground
>>74410928
>business marketing
>is actively engaged in socialism
holy fucking shit, it's like a blind artist
enjoy poverty senpai
>>74408728
that font is atrocious
>>74410714
>Then they're not true socialists.
explain michael moore being a multi millionaire
>That's not socialism either. It was another form of dictatorial tyranny with another name.
aha, and what guarantee do you have that the same won't happen again, just like every other time it's been tried?
if you try something 20 times expecting result a, but get result b every time, what makes you think you will get result a next time? because you have a religious belief in good intentions?
>Good point. Why only 10%? if the need rises, an additional 20% would be great to help the general good.
7 billion people around the world live on less than $2 a day
what are your plans to give them all free college and healthcare, and welfare, and free meals etc
if you add up all the west's wealth, then give it all to the 7 billion(since their need is greater) how much will each person get?
oh yeah, I forgot, we're all fucking broke already. the US is 20 TRILLION in debt, and you propose borrowing even more?
>>74411094
>American wars worldwide is conspiracy stuff
You are the worst scum of the earth.
>>74403269
>1000 dollars a month
Nigga I make almost 2000 doing a bit less than full time and I'm a grad student paying out of pocket (the job is close to the school and I could get better work downtown but don't want to forsake either that work or school just because of extra time requirements for work day hours and travel).
I'll get the better job downtown in my last semester next spring, to make transitioning to full time medical research that much easier.
>>74410714
>not true socialist
>>74411012
The Venezuelans are hardened sudacas, OP is a suburban vegan cuck with a wild imagination
You may romanticize life in a socialist utopia, but breaking and entering your workplace at night to get some toilet paper ain't all that glamorous
>>74410928
>I am not asking for money personally from people. I am asking for higher taxes to help fund general goods that protect us all.
wow, an actual saint, so noble
>Even the poorest of people will be paying a bit more
how do you pay more when you don't have any money?
>>74411094
>I just ignored the rest of your post because it was a bunch of garbage conspiracy stuff.
nah, you ignored it because you have no answer for it
do you know what fiat currency is?
>>74411305
6 million apologies
>>74403671
This.
Talk about narcissistic
Bernouts feel like they have some sort of special authority to tell others what they can do with their shit
>>74411292
That is what I'm thinking.
Business and have these political views...
He has to be a troll.
I own a business with 35 employees, I pay them well and hope they get to keep what they earn. With the way I get ass-raped by taxes I want everyone to keep what they earn.
Being in business isn't that easy. People don't understand you you live for the most part 'draw to draw' ie when you get paid for your services(which varies from 30-90 days AFTER You do the work)
It is stressful as fuck.
>>74411818
Why is she masturbating on a throne in a garage made to look like a space station?
>>74411818
I thought you guys were... uh... supposed to be all holy and shit....
>>74407262
Adam Smith would even find today's conservative economies gross.
>>74411942
Also, don't take it to mean I don't want to pay taxes. But when you are paying in effectively 40% for taxes it is a bit much.
>>74411158
They're more than welcome to spend how they want, I'm not advocating for complete communism. But for healthcare and whatnot, paying a higher tax rate allows for better allocation of resources and services for all. Stop going to extreme ends, makes you look dumb.
>>74411226
Having a centralized government for certain services is more efficient. Such as the military. The US tried state military back in the 1700's, and that didn't work out at all. A federal miltiary is much more efficient. The same can be done with healthcare.
>>74411227
And i can pay for tyrone to help me beat the shit out of you. Then later extort you every month or tyrone comes back and bulls your wife and make you pay for his son.
>>74411292
Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Richard Branson, are all very strong in their philanthropic activities.
Even past entrepreneurs such as Rockefeller, Carnegie (who is a very active socialist), Morgan, were all for better distribution of wealth. It sounds like you're the problem anon.
>>74411315
>explain michael moore being a multi millionaire
He can speak for himself. And has taken hefty criticism countless of times.
>
if you try something 20 times expecting result a, but get result b every time, what makes you think you will get result a next time? because you have a religious belief in good intentions?
But your'e not doing the same thing 20x times. There's not going to be another Josef Stalin, there's not going to be another Adolf Hitler, or Pol Pot or whoever. And guess what, countries like Canada, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Japan, are far more successful with socialist tendencies. So the experiment of higher taxes and whatnot is working.
The US is not going to give someone from Nigeria money. It's for this country ONLY. So yes 200 million working souls, with a 1.92 million working can help supply for the other 150 million people.
>>74412086
are there any conservative economies left?
>>74402770
>>74402876
>>74402898
>economically illiterate
explain how he's economically illiterate for wanting socialism. Why would high taxes ruin the economy? America did just fine before Reagan dropped tax rates in the 80's. I'm not a Bernie supporter, I just want to know why this term is being thrown around so liberally at them.
>>74412408
>America did just fine before Reagan dropped tax rates in the 80's.
America had double digit inflation before Reagan.
>>74412376
>And guess what, countries like Canada, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Japan, are far more successful with socialist tendencies. So the experiment of higher taxes and whatnot is working.
haha, good effort m8, all those countries are in massive debt, mainly due to their ill advised welfare states
>The US is not going to give someone from Nigeria money. It's for this country ONLY.
how about people from mexico? you know, the future majority of the US
>So yes 200 million working souls, with a 1.92 million working can help supply for the other 150 million people
wht are you trying to say?
>>74412408
Socialism never works! It only has a chance in a SMALL and HOMOGENEOUS population. Where people have the same ideals and such. It could take several generations of mass killing to get people to that mind set. If you need examples look at south america right now dude. It never works.
>>74412408
Before Reagan in the 80s you had stagflation, a horrible economic situation. Not being aware of this implies high likelihood of economic illiteracy.
>>74412408
>Why would high taxes ruin the economy?
the more of someones earnings that you take, the less he is incentivized to work hard
>>74412377
No. That's why everything is going to shit so fast.
>>74412408
I'll bite, even though this thread is kill
Bernie has repeatedly cited Eisenhower's 91% tax rate on higher income brackets while utterly failing to process the massive differences not only in policy but in economy that we've seen since the 50s and 60s. To say nothing of the difference in how much of that these people actually PAID, it doesnt factor in all the many little unique variables of the era.
It's really almost as if he still thinks the unprecedented prosperity in America post-WWII and contemporary with the GI bill was an astounding anomaly unheard of in human history to that point, thanks to the rest of the developed world basically sitting in charred smithereens. It's never been normal to give your boss a firm handshake to get a factory job, which you can support 1.5 kids, a wife, a car and a house with. Never. Taxing the country to death will not bring that lifestyle back.
>>74412706
I remembered that after I hit submit. However you can't just conclude that that was caused by high taxes and not the shitty oil embargo by the Arabs
>>74411841
>how do you pay more when you don't have any money?
You're right, but they still have a right to exist, and those that have more and have more power should be helping these poor. The king protects the farmers from bandits.
In your country's case, look at Merchantism which the poor paid tons of taxes in tribute where you exploit the workers of India, but in turn you protect them from the Pakis and other invaders. And it only fell apart because you stopped being able to protect them from a bigger threat. The same concept can be applied to socialism. Higher taxes and money help better protect and improve services for all.
>what fiat currency is?
Yes I do.
>>74411942
And you're doing a great job. And guess what, without proper resources like police, your business is going to get robbed and ransacked by thugs. It's in your best interest to raise a bit more taxes so that your business gets protected.
>>74402571
Bernie is against free trade, and globalism is a false song of Soros.
>>74402571
If you want Globalism then vote Hillary, fool.
>>74412734
>the more of someones earnings that you take, the less he is incentivized to work hard
That's not true. Any businessman will still take the risk. There's a reason why businesses still operate in areas with high taxes like Canada.
>>74412864
>>what fiat currency is?
>Yes I do.
do you agree that it is fraud?
>>74412677
solid point. Fuck socialism.
However, how can we maintain economic mobility equity (as in going from rags to riches) in the US? the 1% is very real, and they keep getting away with corrupt shit on a daily. Is Trump really going to do anything for the bottom 20% or the disappearing middle class?
>>74412848
It was caused by a lot of factors, one which was Nixon taking us off the gold standard entirely, which would consequently and inevitably cause inflation. Great society and forced integration disrupted urban population centers, destroying several, created a permanent class of needy minorities and ground business in disrupted population centers to a halt. Arab embargo just made it even worse.
>>74412677
Ch'''ck my dubs famalams
>>74407438
You are an absolute fucking retard. It's crystal clear to anyone with half a brain that you have been brainwashed - or worse, you consciously choose - to believe the government is some magical institution composed of infallible individuals with no ulterior motives. You're your own worst enemy, and I'm not even memeing. Stop being a fucking dipshit socialist before your life passes you by and you end up a vagrant, sitting on a street corner day-after-day, sucking off other homeless crackheads for half-smoked cigarettes.
>>74413117
Not at all, fiat is much better than gold standard.
>>74413358
Found the jew
>>74413240
>infallible individuals with no ulterior motives.
Rome was destroyed by the inside.
>>74413125
>>74412993
>That's not true. Any businessman will still take the risk. There's a reason why businesses still operate in areas with high taxes like Canada.
any, kek
why are businesses leaving high tax countries to go to low tax ones? or is that not happening?
>>74413358
oh come on now
there are no problems with fiat?
are you sure that you know what it is?
>>74413454
There are problems with fiat, but it's still a better system than gold.
>>74413117
>>74413358
>>74413454
lol fuck off
monetary policy being tied to mining is plain stupid. gold standard didn't avoid inflation in ww1 and the inter-war period.
>>74412864
Guy, we already have all of that without raising taxes.
I will give you the tl:dr story of how I am here.
Last year of HS: Drop out, the administration and me did not see eye to eye and they fucked with me constantly because my little bro got expelled for weed.(They thought I was like him but I was on honor roll..... they were fucking idiots)
Take GED test at local community college. Score in top 5%. Get small scholarship.
Am working, start fall semester, by spring semester have a full ride because my GPA is more that 3.5.
Only taking a couple of classes a semester because work. Decide that I can start a business (I was 23 at the time). Start the business.
Wife is scared as all hell. Doesn't tell me and supports me all the way. We start business with $250.00 in the business. We had about $3,500.00 personal savings.
Fast Toward to now: Through a lot of hard work. And I mean it was working 12 or 16 hour days 6-7 days a week we have built a company. (in business 10 years, and as I said 35 employees)
Man up. I want to see you succeed. Socialism is not the path to success.
>>74413125
I believe that Trump will help the middle in ways that Shillary or Bernie for that matter cant. Look at Trumps tax proposal. Second he will find ways to bring jobs into the US again. Alot of people will work with Trump. Did you see that AC company kept its doors open here after Trump spoke out? I just think Sanders will be a obongo V2 or a Dood WEED V2. Sanders cant lead. Alot of these redditor fags are putting ideas and words into Sanders mouth and he just rolls with it. I think its just an experiment from the DNC or something to see how viable a reddit campaign would work in the future. I look at him like he is just controlled opposition to crooked shillary. Why did so many other democrats drop after like Iowa?
One of the largest parts of his economic plan is to raise the minimum wage to 15 USD per hour. One thing that one must understand is that the minimum wage is a price floor on labour services. When a price floor is set by a government, it creates a surplus of the good or service, as the cost increases. In labour economics, this surplus is called “unemployment”. High price floors are one of the reasons countries in Scandinavia have unemployment rates more than double that of the United States. The push to increase the price floor is also not correctly identifying the problem. It’s not that wages are inherently too low, it’s that expenses are too high. That’s why households making six-figures are now having difficulty purchasing health insurance. If anything, artificially increasing the cost of labour would make this problem even worse. Another part of his plan is to raise the top income tax rate to 90%. Not even the far-left countries that Sanders holds up as a model (Denmark, Sweden, Finland, and Norway) have tax rates this high. Their income taxes top out at 70%, along with a 25% VAT (sales tax). Increasing the size of government will just lead to slower economic growth. Sanders’ view that a larger government will help society is largely ideological and not rooted in any empirical data and research. As stated previously, he states that Denmark, Sweden, Finland, and Norway are models that we should follow. Those countries have something called a “cradle-to-grave” system, where the welfare state is so large that it consumes one-third of the nation’s entire economy. In macroeconomics, there is a concept known as the Rahn curve, which states, generally, the larger the government is as a portion of the economy, the slower the economy grows. This is due to the fact that every dollar that is spent on government programs cannot be used for investment in the private sector. We can see this in the real world, as well.
>>74413551
get woke son, dyam son
take a close look at the graph, prior to ~1933 any inflation was reversed later, after that point it has only ever gone up. the charlatan economists even preach to the masses that some inflation is a good thing
>>74413541
what is fiat?
>>74413772
(cont.) Before Sweden implemented nationalised healthcare, large welfare support, and subsidised college, it was among the fastest growing economies in the world. After the SAP got into power in the late 1950s and Olof Palme dramatically expanded welfare programs in the 1970s, it has been one of the slowest growing economies in the world.
>>74405163
>Hillary
oh, guaranteed?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/05/18/morning_joe_panel_clintons_connection_to_billionaire_pedophile_jeffrey_epstein_will_blow_up_campaign.html
>>74412408
Socialism is not "high taxes". Socialism means the abolition of money, markets, and the centralization of property in the hands of the state.
So that would be one example of being economically illiterate right from the get-go.
>>74405996
Am I the only one who would pay more taxes if the gov would fucking fix roads and infrastructure without getting all the money jewwed out of them? Well, maybe not more, but I'd be happier
>>74413792
>prior to ~1933 any inflation was reversed later
yes, the Great Depression was deflationary. Is that supposed to be good?
>>74413597
good for you? Glad you found success, but as you know there are different ways people want success. Each of your 35 employees could easily say they found success by working for you simply because they were in a better situation than before. But the fact remains, for your little business to continue to function very well, it's better to have a higher tax to protect your business and improve healthcare. Without proper general services, you're going to have to higher people to protect yoru business instead of police protection if you want to be extreme. Which is basically the same thing as paying a higher tax.
Socialism has a place in society, I am not advocating for complete equal distribution that eventually ties to communism. But I am advocating for a higher tax rate to better service all.
>>74414121
>>74413792
also when I talked about inflation in WW1 and the interwar, obviously it wasn't about the U.S., but rather Russia and Germany.
>>74413597
What's your annual salary? What does your company do?
>>74413952
Thats the main problem. We pay all these taxes. Prob more then 50% of our money lines these fat cats in office's pockets. Here in philly there are trying to pass a sugar tax. We already get taxed to hell and back from gas property school and more.
>>74413425
But they burned it to the ground with the best of intentions
>>74402571
>>74414221
Why don't you first ensure that the tax money colldcted today is actually going to its intended purpose. You seem to think tax money is never spent wastefully or preferentially allocated.
>>74413952
No, because we all need better roads and all. Obviously the problem is government corruption at the top. I'll give this to Trump, he seems willing to raise taxes and cut international aid to bolster services needed in this country.
>>74413425
>implying that's an argument against my statement
You're either vehemently dedicated to trolling tonight, or you are legitimately mentally handicapped.
>>74414489
Obviously that's difficult, without the FBI smashing corruption. But that's an entirely different issue altogether.
>>74414544
Not at all, your issue isn't higher taxes, it's wasteful spending.
>>74402571
you should vote for him
>>74402571
You should vote for Sanders, OP. It's completely in your interest to do so based on what you've posted. However it is likely also in your interest to be against globalism and free trade, but nonetheless it's your right to support policies that harm you.
>>74402571
>forced to bank with huge banks like Chase
No, buddy, you're not. Ever heard of a credit union? I get 2% INTEREST on the money I put in my account, not 0.002% with Chase, with no BS account fees and the card even works in Canada. Seriously, google "credit unions" and do your research. Sign up for the one that's right for you and get rolling in freedom
>>74414121
interesting question, good for who?
the banks profited massively by foreclosing on farms and other property, almost as if it was done on purpose for this reason
and the peoples gold(real money) was confiscated
what is your take on what caused it?
>>74414221
>I am not advocating for complete equal distribution that eventually ties to communism. But I am advocating for a higher tax rate to better service all.
who decides how much to increase prices by? since all costs of a business are passed on to the buyers
>>74414371
I don't know anything about inflation in Russia, can you give me some keywords to search or a link or two?
in Germany, I assume you are talking about Weimar? this was the result of fiat currency and the inevitable hyperinflation that is only possible with fiat
>>74414500
what's your opinion on the demographic conquest of America by the mexicans and other 3rd worlders?
>>74402571
>Globalization
>Great thing
Kill yourself you fucking commie
>>74414678
hahaha
if only the government could ensure unwasteful spending.
>>74402770
>>74406891
Free trade is bad when you do it with poor shitholes like Mexico
But hey, those cheap shoes will be worth selling out your country
>>74403269
How do you make so little money?
>>74403269
>It's not free, I understand that. I'm even willing to pay a bit more taxes to benefit all.
try earning over half a million a year, and then we'll see if you feel the same way
>>74402571
i have a chase slate and a chase checking account. how do they nickel and dime you? as long as you have monthly deposits into your account they don't charge you. i guess if you're living in your mothers basement memeing for a living it's hard to keep up a monthly deposit
>>74402571
>implying you will get to vote for him
>>74402571
>I believe in globalization and free trade.
Isn't Bernie for protectionism.
Also, lets say you do finally make it to middle/upper class, enjoy paying higher taxes.
>>74414373
We specialize in Steel Erection.
Company revenue is about 5-6 million a year.
Me and the wife take home about 100K total for the both of us. Could take more still growing though.
>>74403269
i make 2000 a month and take home 1860. you fucking lie because i live in jew york and they take the most out of anyones taxes. nobody takes 30% of your paycheck if you make that little
>>74415663
That's pretty good. How long did you work those endless weeks though? What steps did you have to take to get to where you are?
>>74415846
The first three years were the most endless nights. After that is stabilized to typical 8 hour days, 5-6 days a week. The most important thing at the beginning is if you can't afford the payment easily don't buy it. It wasn't tell our eighth year that we had to get a bank line of credit(just to do the cash flow and amount of accounts receivable that we had past 60 days)
>>74409638
>you don't need college to get a good paying job that requires more than an online education
Wow I didn't know people could be this stupid
Sorry if I owned a business I'd rather hire the PhD. From Harvard than "I know everything I need from the internet"
Its not about being slaves to the government, it's about getting credible qualifications for your abilities faggot, even if you can learn everything you need to know about on the internet.
>>74415846
Also, when I say for the most part. I still would work estimating jobs at home after I got home from the field but it was a lot better than before where I'd work a 12 and come home and estimate a jobs for 2-4 hours before I'd go to bed.
Because his policies have failed everywhere they've been tried. Just look at Venezuela
Any minute now, two lispy, whiny high pitched numale voices will arise from the left.
Voice A will say this wasn't real socialism.
Voice B will say it's all America's fault.
There will be some overlap.
>>74402571
If you or your parents don't have the money to pay for college up front you don't belong in college.
>>74416638
Pretty much this man/woman from Israel.
I have tried to live the American Dream and have succeeded so far. I fear for my children though...
>>74402571
>I'm tired of how I'm forced to bank with huge banks like Chase, who nickle and dime me
you don't have to dumb ass
>>74402770
>>74410366
Yes, pay the government in taxes for the protection they provide, roads they maintain, the educated people they create, but not to help out lazy immigrants and welfare for them and their ilk.
Socialism can work in a nationalist society. Open borders requires a more libertarian structure so that our nations don't have urchins beneath our hull.
>>74405778
Basic education is a right*
Ftfy
>>74417158
Stop assuming immigrants are lazy, they're just uneducated at this point. Education provides the best method for assimilation. Look at all the East Asians in the US. They are the farthest away culturally from the European West, and yet, seems to be assimilating the best out of all races. Hence the need to raise taxes for free college.
