Does the phenomenon of men in the United States becoming political and social failures have anything to do with masturbation and overconsumption of pornographic material? Are there any studies proving 'nofap' right or wrong?
>>74373502
>Mudslimes aren't allowed to masturbate
>Still living in mudsheds
>>74373502
>men in the United States becoming political and social failures
compared to what?
rural farmers weren't political or social successes either.
>>74373502
It amazes me how almost nobody understands that men in western nations are "political and social failures" because too much stress is put on them.
Men are still expected to be "real men" and carry out our gender roles while women are constantly propped up and benefit from feminism and chivalry simultaneously.
It is truly astonishing how people don't understand that demonizing one gender and putting all this stress on them while propping up the other and not holding them accountable will cause issues.
>>74373707
Masturbation and porn is not the problem. If it was, then women are free to stop offering themselves up as objects in porn. Millions upon millions are doing it right now.
Of course, everyone blames men for everything and women are not blamed for a damn thing.
>>74373865
I agree with you
Failures on what terms?
Men are avoiding women because interacting with them is a common way to destroy one's life.
If "failing" means avoiding child support, alimony, and false charges of domestic or sexual violence then I'll fail until the die I die.
>>74374063
You forgot wrongful rape charges ala "I didn't consent enthusiastly or changed my mind afterwards"
>>74374180
>false charges of domestic or sexual violence
No I didn't.
>>74373865
There is a lot of truth to this.
Men have always fapped and gtow, but now the media, run but Jews and women, has made the male image unattainable by most men.
They push this ideological man image and basically encourage women to not do anything and that they'll be beautiful.
What's worse is that this is not some secretive agenda by "the Jew" or "the illuminati."
These ideas are where the money is.
Women will always buy magazines that tell them they are beautiful at 5'4" 160# before the one that says "changing will make you perfect."
We fucked ourselves by being shitty parents and roll models and letting ease persuade us out of what we know is right.
it probably has more to do with society being geared against males nowadays, since they were too succesful in the past.
It's no fun overcoming arbitrary disadvantages and working hard only to be criticized.
>>74374063
I honestly just don't enjoy interacting with women anymore. I'm not some kissless virgin or anything either. I've had several long term relationships and go on dates with other women semi-regularly. It just feels like the amount of effort to try and court someone who has literally unlimited options is exhausting. modern women are always two seconds away from hopping on another dick. Shit is just exhausting to have to constantly be on your toes all the time and do all the heavy lifting in the relationship.
Who honestly has time for this shit?
>>74373502
No, men have always jerked off. It's due to the fact that being a "real man" is all work with no reward. Why would I get married when my wife would be free to divorce me whenever she wants and take half my shit? Why would I have kids when they'll get turned into niggers by public school or autists by homeschooling, who will be degenerate either way by exposure to popular culture and the internet? Why would I want a job when I could get fired at any time because I made a joke in front of a woman, or because hiring indians or mexicans was cheaper that week? Why would I support my country when it's full of people who don't look like me, don't speak like me, and don't act like me? And even among white men, half of us are turning into girls, and the other half are turning into hard-work tryhard dicksuckers. Why would I even support them?
We've fucked our shit and it's time to die.
Sexual climax causes a release of prolactin in males.
Prolactin counters dopamine, acting as a dopamine receptor antagonist. Less dopamine action = less motivation. It also means less psychotic behavior.
That's why jerking off kills your motivation, in a nutshell. It also makes you less crazy.
>>74373502
Didnt even look at your post just saw the pic on catalog and immediately thought of muh porn addiction, its so easy to fall down this hole and so hard to get back up towards your real goals feelsbadman
And when you are in a mood of high porn addiction for a week or two you are so lethargic and just trudging through the day with low energy waiting for the time when you can finally fap for hours or just fapping all day which also saps your energy.
>>74375328
Don't be so paranoid, there are plenty of faithful women out there. The difficulty comes in finding a virgin woman to marry, which is my goal. My last girlfriend was incredibly faithful and We were pretty much perfect for each other, but she wasn't a virgin so why the fuck would I cuck myself like that?
>>74376749
How'd that relationship end?
>>74376841
I told her I didn't want to marry her because she wasn't a virgin and she dated a dirty mulatto
>>74377086
Did you have sex with her?
>>74377436
Yeah. If you think I'm a hypocrite you should know that the double standard exists for good reason. Women always remember their past lovers. Men "replace" their past lovers with their current lover. It would disgust me to marry a woman who's had other men's dicks and cum in her mouth and vagina
>>74377691
why'd you stay with her at all if you have this standard? did you find out suddenly or something?
>mulatto
deal breaker desu
>>74377691
my understanding is that "non-marital partners" includes partners that come AFTER a divorce
>>74373502
>Does the phenomenon of men in the United States becoming political and social failures have anything to do with masturbation and overconsumption of pornographic material?
It's possible, but I think it's more likely they both have some other cause, like less chance of success and greater cost of failure increasing risk-averse behavior, which in turn leads to habitually greater risk-aversion.
Take a minute to parse that.
Also checkem
>>74378522
No, it just means "not in a marriage." The term doesn't specify whether it's postmarital or premarital but we can assume it's premarital since we're talking about divorce rates being affected by past lovers
Marital means "in a marriage"
>>74376221
>not posting the one where bulma is prego
you disgust me
>>74378833
>we can assume
Wrong.
>>74378874
At least I tried.
>>74378180
It just started to bother me as I became more attached to her and started to think of the future, love, children etc. It's what brought me here. I long for a traditional world where my soulmate wouldn't have been defiled by other men before me
>>74378833
Right, that includes after
If they meant "before" they would have specified that. They said "non-marital" and included after so that you would infer "pre-marital"
This study is being published by an organization that is pushing an agenda. They are obfuscating their results by using ambiguous language. They are counting on you to infer things that they didn't say.
>>74378997
well did they run bareback train on her or something? I mean I understand having the standard but if it ruined your otherwise perfect relationship, I don't know... I think it can be taken too far
>>74379031
>>74378912
Makes sense. But you aren't trying to deny that more premarital partners==less stable marriage, are you?
>>74379204
I'm saying that the study you posted doesn't say what you think it does.
I'm saying that you are relying on evidence that doesn't actually provide evidence for the point you are making.
Now you want me to intuit the "truth." If that were enough, why bother with the study to begin with?
You might also wonder why they didn't just do "pre-marital." Surely that would be their goal (who cares about after a divorce?). If they could have gotten data about pre-marital partners that showed what they wanted, surely they would have just done that, right? Why muddy the waters if they didn't have to?
>>74379204
If that data includes parters out of marriage after a divorce then that skews the data and makes it worthless for just premarital. I understand why you would assume personally that premarital data would be consistent with what we see here but scientifically you can't assume that at all and you need to study specifically premarital partners to make any definitive determination there
>>74376221
Maybe its time to stop spanking off then.
Il do a 1 week no fap then see what happens maybe 2 weeks.
>>74374844
>What's worse is that this is not some secretive agenda by "the Jew" or "the illuminati." These ideas are where the money is.
>"It's not the Jews, it's where the money is"
You contradict yourself there, friend.
>>74379411
But why would it skew the data? Does being in a monogamous marriage and divorcing make a woman any less stable than a fuck with her boyfriend?
>>74373707
But they can use children for in emergency boner cases
>>74373502
It's a bit of a chicken before the egg debate no?
>>74379685
Because it lumps women who, after a divorce, had non-marital partners with women who had premarital partners.
If a virgin gets married, then divorced, then has sex, she is evidence for "non-marital partners" also not having "stable marriages"
but that would actually have been evidence of a person with no premarital partners having an unstable marriage.
>>74379850
I see what you're saying
>>74379850
well said
>>74373502
It has to do with society telling us to kill ourselves.
Good news, shill OP, men are coming back, and that does not mean they will necessarily be turning to the prison treadmills you are calling "maturity."
>>74380084
>men are coming back
>by being NEETs and weirdos
that's not how it works anon
>>74379937
I thought the same thing as you back when this shit used to get posted on /r9k/, until some girl on that board asked the same question about premarital vs non-marital.
And intuitively, I actually think women having premarital partners is bad. But I kept wonder, if it were true, why wouldn't they just make that the study? Left to my own imagination for the answer to that question, my best guess is that they couldn't get data just for premarital that showed what they wanted. maybe my intuition was not correct
>>74375328
The problem isn't women in general. It's that white women are now the trashiest women. Expand your dating pool. Dark women are the best partners and the most loyal, loving women.
>>74379643
Top kek
You're right, senpai
>>74380305
There is truth to this, but it isn't a race thing.
The lower socioeconomic classes have less so they tend to be more faithful and stand with what they have instead of looking for more.
It's partially an appreciation thing.
>>74380140
Acquiring skills
Demanding respect insofar as that is legal
Acquiring property
Giving attention to ladies who merit it and leaving "American women" to their cat herds
>>74378850
Such a thing exists?
not just that
the whole internet.
porn is a symptom of THE INTERNET which is the biggest plague on society today.
With no internet, porn wouldn't be accessible on tap and only really degenerate people would even be able to get the hardcore stuff. Same with instant socialization "conversation porn" like 4chan.
Seeing porn as the problem without realizing that 4chan, and the whole internet is the greater problem is missing the point.
>>74380473
It's a race thing, too, m8
White women are constantly lauded and adored by everyone everywhere. They expect everything because they are told they deserve it.
>>74380305
It's true that white male/black female marriages have one of the lowest divorce rates, but it's also true that your children will be dumber and darker than you on average.
remain pure please, don't fall for the "all white women are unfaithful whores" meme. What a coincidence that white men are depicted as feminized cucks and white women depicted as "empowered feminist" whores? It's not true... but it will become true if YOU allow it.
>>74380305
>>74380731
This.
I always say that the internet was the worst invention in history. As a species, we just weren't ready for it.
It has destroyed so many aspects of our lives and replaced them with absolutely nothing.
Do an experiment:
try nofap for 2 weeks with internet (and maybe a porn blocker)
then try no4chan for 2 weeks
I guarrantee that you'll do the no fap fine, but you won't be able to stand a day without this site.
Then imagine living for long period of time with no internet at all.
>>74373707
because they don't masturbate their leaders (non cucks who didn't masturbate) were always iron fisted maniacs filled with energy. That creates war and a bunch of other problems, just look at Africa for example probably the most testosterone filled nation. Masturbating and lower test population and leadership is the source of all civilisation, but with all the immigration into Europe we're risking losing civilisation and culture that took millennia within a few decades.
>>74380907
it sucked the mystery out of life for good. Even if all the information online were 100% truth, it would still kill all motivation, because hard limits to knowledge, choices and social groups that actually keep us SANE.
see this thread from the other day
>>74240476
>>74381012
that's a bullshit explanation. Their leaders have multiple wives. Why would they be sexually repressed? That's a Jewish meme. They're just aggressive because they're sandniggers.
>>74381119
delete this
>>74378997
>I long for a traditional world where my soulmate wouldn't have been defiled by other men before me
And yet I'm sure you'd be perfectly willing to defile plenty of women before finding your "soulmate", wouldn't you? You can't foist the entire obligation to remain pure on one sex, both have to be willing to subjugate their urges.
This masturbation phenomenon is nothing new to mankind
"Eunuchs" have existed for millenia to counter man's primal urges
>Disregard females
>Aquire currency
>>74381239
And to answer your question, it's not masturbation that's the source of all civilization, it's marriage, specifically arranged marriage and not the hypergamous animal "dating game" that exists today.
Masturbation is destructive. I don't say nobody successful ever did it but certainly not much. And in some areas like intellectual innovation and philsophy a large number of the big names were celibate and didn't even marry
>>74373865
Well put sir.
>>74378997
>>soul mate
Romance is a Hollywood lie that undermines the family. Marrying solely for "love" doesn't make stable families. Also, the whole process of cohabitation also leads to less successful marriages. Traditionally people courted for a short time with no sex then just married.
This is why all the non-Western cultures are still doing better in this regard. They still recognize marriage as a sacrifice and more like a career than something you just do to feel good.
>>74373502
Failures? Botch you know Islam has awakened the sleeping giant. This time will be the Final Solution. Islam will onlynexist in history books of the theocracy whose mouth cost them existence. Ahmed, no since in running. There is no place to hide. The khaabaa stone will be in the Smithsonian soon.
>>74375328
Women don't actually have unlimited options though, jumping from dick to dick is one thing the amount of men that actually want to marry and procreate is dwindling rapidly
>>74380305
Look like shit though
>>74373502
> masturbation
> 5 seconds of enjoyment
