So tell me /pol/
How will he force a country into bankrupty to pay for a wall, and how well do you think that will go?
>>74322874
0/10, I hope the 2cents payment is worth it.
>>74323008
>he can't answer the question so he resorts to memes
>>74322874
Uhh, Trump said he'll do it good and he loves us so it will go well uhm yeah
shill
ugh
check your PayPal shillary
>>74322874
>"...force a country into bankrupty..."
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Top kek
>>74322874
So tell me, shill.
How many tourist trips to the border will you take to see the big, glorious wall once Trump is inevitably president and the wall is complete.
I could definitely see it becoming a tourist attraction.
>>74322874
the same way he got Univision to pay for his campaign
>>74323525
What's the point of that link?
That has absolutely nothing to do with trying to force Mexico into bankruptcy.
>>74323616
>shill
>a Trump shill calling me a shill
>>74322874
Just for the sake of clarity if you think the most powerful country in the world can't bully others then you're retarded. What is Mexico honestly going to do with their entire economy collapsing
Why the fuck do I keep getting those shitty "keep selecting until all the ____ are gone" captchas
>>74323686
>implying there is such a thing as a Trump shill
Sage goes in all fields.
>>74323719
Are you telling me the USA as a whole will be okay with forcing Mexico into bankruptcy? Do you not understand what the public outrage will be like?
>>74323733
This board makes it pretty self evident that there's Trump shills everywhere.
It's easy to spot a shill when they call you a shill for criticizing Trump.
>>74323961
>>74324089
Nice cop-outfaggot
You cannot answer the question so you sprout memes instead. you truly are cancerous
>>74323686
>shill
... as if I need to be paid to support the man who can fix this godawfully buttfucked country.
Now go the fuck away, dumbass. You're wasting your time here.
>>74324232
>implying there was a question to answer
real shill detected
>>74324298
> as if I need to be paid to support the man who can fix this godawfully buttfucked country.
kek, how? I hope you realize you're worse than Obama fags who got sucked into the whole "hope and change" bullshit.
Like Obama, Trump is sprouting feel-good bullshit with very vague ideas on how he will get this country back together. His rallies are the most cringeworthy things I have seen in recent memory.
You cannot make the country good by saying muh hope and change. what makes you think Trump can by saying make america great again
guise believe me I will make everything good again
i love hispanics
believe me....
trust me....
i will...make america great again...guys...believe me..i know the smartest people....it will be beautiful..
You eat this bullshit yet criticized Obama. You fucks are cringe
>>74324519
There is a question faggot
How will he force a country into bankruptcy and get away with it?
>>74324647
>implying he will force anybody into bankruptcy
>also implying I didn't answer the question earlier
pay attention
>>74323658
>>74324647
Well okay, fucknugget.
Instead of just railing on Trump's ideas/style/policies, why not share with us your mind-blowingly profound solutions to the post-Obama, meth-withdrawal, clusterfuck seizure the country currently finds itself in.
Dazzle us, dickhead.
>>74324089
>/pol/ has supported Trump from the beginning
That's not true though. All these children only started supporting Trump after intense shilling and Trump meme's started getting spammed everywhere giving the impression he was the /pol/ candidate. Naturally you guys took the b8 hook line and sinker, most of you are ridiculously easy to influence.
>>74325011
Yeah, I didn't think so.
Worthless fucking shill-ass motherfucker.
>>74322874
His plan is basically to tax the money that wetbacks send to Mexico.
I don't give a fuck.
Mexico is shit.
>>74325216
hello, newfag shill
>>74322874
the whole thing is probably a lot of hot air. i'm not too worried about it. the fact remains that at least he's not hillary though.
>>74325486
>Shills calling people shills
nice b8 but we know who the true shills are when all you do is shout down the competition and post memes instead of responding to legitimate criticism.
>>74322874
You ignorant fool. If we cut military spending by half (because Clinton isn't paying gaft to her overlords), we could build a wall around the whole country.
All we have to do is stop the proxy wars that the whole world hates us for.
The first step is keeping Clinton out of the white house. She's infamous for her proxy wars.
>>74324868
>he will sue Mexico
Brilliant. For how much? As much as it costs to build a wall? So he'll put them into bankruptcy?
>>74325011
>>74325242
>sprouting memes
I'm in other threads dumbfuck.
With immigration, why not rebuild our god damn fences and pump up our border security? Why use drones and other technology we have to fight immigration? Hell, build a second fence for extra measure. This will be way fucking cheaper than building a wall and will not ruin our relationship with Mexico.
A wall would be cool as long as Trump wouldn't force Mexico into building it. How fucking retarded.
>>74325366
>implying that would be nearly enough to build a multi billion dollar wall and implying he would actually get that passed through congress
>>74325603
Voting in local elections actually impact you and your town. Presidential elections are overblown shit
>>74325673
>If we cut military spending by half (because Clinton isn't paying gaft to her overlords), we could build a wall around the whole country
And put tens of thousands of people out of work. Nice plan
>>74323093
He posts like a cunt, and refuses to admit he's a jew shill
>>74325657
>legitimate criticism
when you shills actually find any we usually address it, but you don't listen because you are shills
>>74322874
>US spends 580 billion on military funding in 2015
>implying they're unable to reorganize to find 10-12 billion for a wall assuming Mexico doesn't pay for it
>>74325925
>calling other people shills to deflect from your shill status
Just stop, you Trump shills could not be more obvious. Nobody wants your garbage candidate.
>>74325810
Great idea retard.
> let's keep bombing the other side of the world so Suzy has a job.
You are the reason the world hates America. But hey, who cares as long as your socks rise, amirite?
>>74325673
>>74326025
>Implying Trump won't expand military operations in the ME
>Implying he won't expand on domestic spying
>Implying he will build a wall
>>74322874
Tell us how/why it isn't possible
>>74326024
>calling other people shills to deflect from your shill status
cool, look! I can do that too!
>>74326024
Everybody in this board wants Trump, and everyine in this board fucking despises Hillary, you stupid newfag.
How long have you been visiting /pol/? 1 week? 1 month?
Youre a shill supporting the most crooked politician currently in the government.
>>74326025
>I am absolutely okay with cutting the military spending by half, putting literally hundreds of thousands of people out of work, in a patriotic country where the military is glorified, and I am absolutely okay with contributing to the homeless vet problem
Nice. One side you have a bunch of angry spics and college students and on the other side you have a bunch of angry vets and military sympathizers.
It's almost like you want to get assassinated.
>>74326233
Read the thread
>>74326383
"Read the thread" isn't an answer
typical shill response
>>74322874
READ HIS FUCKING
WEBSITE
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https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall
>>74322874
Idgaf, they've been milking us for billions for decades. They can easily afford 10 billion you faggot
>>74326383
What is your objective, anyway? Nobody on this board who supports Trump is going to be swayed by your arguments. Just here to call people who disagree with you stupid? How constructive.
>>74326332
Where did I say I wanted Hillary? They're both garbage candidates.
I've been here since /new/, long before this place was some hivemind newfags like you thought they needed to be part of because they desperately want to be part of the group.
>>74326504
It was stated in this thread you fucking memelord.
It won't work because you'd be forcing a country into bankruptcy.
Idiot.
>>74326517
>taxing and trade restrictions
>tariffs
I'm sure congress will pass this. Tariffs on Mexico products would surely help the American economy. Amazing.
>>74326813
>>74326813
>Nobody on this board who supports Trump is going to be swayed by your arguments.
I understand that. I only asked a simple question and instead I get called a shill and other memewords. It's not my fault /pol/ is a hug box
Vote for Bernie
>>74325673
>cut military spending by half
And where do you suppose to cut it? Enlisted Military Payroll accounts for 100 billion of the entire Military budget alone, and that doesn't cover Officers or Civilian personnel payroll. Then there is utilities, light gas and water, that has to be paid for not to mention fuel for vehicles, food, Training costs an average of 60-80 thousand per person in the military. That's 200 billion alone. You can't cut payroll to save money because then you lose retention and have o spend even more money training new recruits. Cutting payroll is literally more expensive than giving a pay raise in the military.
>>74327190
>It won't work because you'd be forcing a country into bankruptcy.
>caring about what happens to Mexico
>>74327190
>It won't work because you'd be forcing a country into bankruptcy.
Mexico is forcing my country into bankruptcy, so ...
>>74323093
>he cant start an intelligent discussion so he shitposts
Everyone can have their own political opinion, and I can grasp why generally conservative people would cling to Trump, I mean if you just take a look at the lineup this year for the nominee it's almost a joke.
However.
If anyone genuinely believes that Trump will build a wall, they are delusional, and I have a bridge to sell them.
It's a campaign ploy meant to appeal to the conservative voting base spring-boarding off people's emotions of "Damn Mexicans taking our jobs"
>>74323525
>http://www.usdebtclock.org/
102 trillion in debt in unfunded liabilities
>>74327407
Clinton did it when he was in office.
Can't be that hard.
>>74327496
>implying there wont be a civil unrest if we force a country into bankruptcy
What dream world do you live in?
>>74327512
No, social programs and the high-as-fuck corporate tax is bankrupting our country.
>>74327643
Sounds like everyone in this thread.
>>74323008
FPBP
>>74327833
>implying there wont be a civil unrest if we force a country into bankruptcy
>What dream world do you live in?
nigga you fuckin retarded
>>74327659
You're delusional.
A border fence law was passed bipartisan around 10 years ago. It was never built because of the NWO/N American Union interests.
A wall is just a stronger fence. Trump will absolutely build it. At worst, maybe we have to pay for more of it than Mexico. Fuck, I would donate money to build a wall. I live in a border state. We are flooded with wetbacks. BUILD THE WALL.
>>74327659
the "everybody I don't agree with is delusional and I have nothing to back up my claims" meme
nice try
>>74327833
>caring about civil unrest
as long as the rapists and drug dealers stop pouring into my country, Mexico can burn for all I care
>>74327659
Even if he were to somehow to get a wall build funded by Mexico, he'd be branded as the worst President in history. Have fun getting another Republican in the white house.
>>74327407
We could cut some of the useless military bases we have in Germany and Japan. We could stop building fucking laser planes and bombers that cost trillions of dollars.
>>74327190
>I'm sure congress will pass this.
Not an argument.
>Tariffs on Mexico products would surely help the American economy.
Yes it would.
>>74327998
Yeah anon, you're right. Everyone will be fine and dandy with Bankrupting our neighbor. kek.
>>74328029
>Mexico can burn for all I care
Your opinions are far and few. You're the reason why republicans are dying off in the USA
>>74322874
As an American, I don't think it is possible for me to care less what happens to Mexico.
>the U.S. gives FREE money to Mexico
>stop giving free money
>use said money for wall
WOW
>>74327998
They're already at civil unrest. Mexico that is. Sure a few parts are ok. But that's overwhelmingly not the case for the most part.
>>74328106
>We could cut some of the useless military bases we have in Germany and Japan.
And where would we get the money to build new bases in the USA, money for troop and equipment transportation? Do you realize Japan and Germany already pay for some of the cost of our bases?
>>74328157
It is an argument. What will he do, executive order he keeps branding as unconstitutional?
>>74328157
>higher prices for goods would be okay for the economy
>>74328029
>"everybody I don't agree with is delusional and I have nothing to back up my claims"
You're right, building a sizable enough wall to keep out migrants for the 2,000 miles along the continental border, not even mentioning securing entry by sea isn't delusional at all. Oh, and tack on making another country pay for that wall as the icing on the cake.
My mistake.
>>74328106
Best thing to do is pull out from NATO and close down our European bases. Cutting spending overall is dumb though. America is powerful because America carries a big stick.
Why do you care so much about Mexico, OP?
>>74322874
10 billion isn't really that much money, it's 1% of our annual gdp.
though our government will use da evil wall to raise taxes another 10%.
>>74323008
>I hope the 2cents payment is worth it.
FPBP EFT
>>74328202
>republicans are dying off
>>74328553
>what is coast guard
>what is Israel wall
>>74328762
But this doesn't match up with the
>Trump can never beat Shillary because of muh more votes
Delete this picture reeeeeeeeee
>>74328618
I don't really honestly. I care about the future of the Republican party and if Trump were to do the stupid things he proposes then there's absolutely no way in hell another Republican will be in the White House. Bush damaged the party enough.
>>74328661
and how well would that go for your economy?
>>74328762
>republicans aren't dying off
>nevada, colorado, virginia and florida are now blue states.
Can you tell me when the primaries actually had an effect in the GE?
If he wants to keep illegals out, making Mexico go bankrupt would be the most retarded thing he could possibly do. The flow of illegal immigrants into the US would increase exponentially.
>>74328508
>Build new bases
Well gradually we could start knicking these bases off the map and start pulling out of these regions. However I don't know what we would do with the soldiers we have leftover from these bases
>>74328601
We could slow production of these billion dollar bombers. We'd still have some left over to use
>>74328955
>nevada, colorado, virginia and florida are now blue states
are you retarded?
>>74328508
It's not an argument because It's not a criticism of his policies, and you're not telling us why it wouldn't work, you're just making an unfounded claim that it wouldn't make it past congress, and therefore, you are right.
>higher prices for goods would be okay for the economy
Yeah, bringing manufacturing back to America would be so horrible because some things now cost a few cents more.
>>74328980
Then you would get your cockroach asses stomped.
>>74328980
how would they get here? They won't get past the wall
>>74329023
I dunno. Prove me wrong. Demographics have changed and they're blue states in the Presidential elections.
>>74329261
I already argued his policies would leave to bankruptcy because all his policies financially fucks Mexico. And you're implying he could get any of that passed through congress.
>>74325216
Bullshit. Pol laughed at trump until he mentioned the wall and deportation...then everyone supported him heavily. Don't try to lie, shill.
>>74328980
Not if there's a wall cuntface
>>74329595
They can't vote in their nigger president this time
>>74325810
Mexico's central bank reported remittances totaling $21.27 billion in 2010. Remittances are indeed a significant source of income to Mexico.
....what were you saying about it not being enough to pay for a wall again??
>>74322874
tremendous!
>>74329754
That isn't much of an argument and those states are enacting liberal policies.
>>74329888
And how much would it actually cost to build the wall, anon?
>>74328762
You mean the Israeli wall that is less than 1/4 the size of the US-Mexico border and is 90%+ wire fence?
>>74326912
Yea but this board has always been a Rand/Carson/Trump board with a few Jeb heads as well. Now that Trump is the only one left standing it's pretty understandable that he's the only one we talk about. Nobody here has ever liked Hillary or Bernie.
>>74322874
1% is actually quite a lot. I do not think the wall is a good idea simply because the ratio of cost to benefit.
I can only question whether or not it would be a wall or a fence regardless, If it is not patrolled it might as well not even be there.
1% of the budget could develop more reasonable means of border security.
38 billion dollars could create and employ technology that is better at maintaining a border than a wall could.
I do not mean to offend you as so often occurs in debates but, at the same time it's 4chan so I don't care.
>>74330195
you must be a retarded fuck if you think a bigger wall can't be made
>>74329621
This is why james Madison was against democracy. Everyone makes their decisions based on confusion, racism, and whatever thought pops into there head first.
>>74324647
You've spent the time to learn the 4chan language, yet the smell of reddit will never leave you. Try all you can to blend among us. You shills stand out like statues.
>>74329595
>I already argued his policies would leave to bankruptcy because all his policies financially fucks Mexico.
They're a big country. They can sink or swim on their own, It's not our job to sustain 3rd word shitholes to our own detriment.
Did you miss Trumps foreign policy speech where he blatantly said "fuck everybody else"? This isn't news to any of us. You're just repeating what we've all known from the beginning and pretending It's bad.
>And you're implying he could get any of that passed through congress.
Prove that it won't make it through congress.
>>74322874
>US Federal Budget
>Literally in the trillion
>Wall will cost $10 billion for a realistic estimate, $30-40 billion If we want to get ridiculous
>This costs less than a single years worth of services wasted on illegal immigrants
The wall could cost $300 billion and It would still be worth it you fucking moron
>>74330134
Wait, now you're moving the goal posts.
Previously you claimed that taxing remittances was not enough to pay for a "multi billion wall". I posted the dollar amount of remittances, and now you are suddenly claiming 21 billion doesn't cover a "multi billion" dollar wall??
You stupid paid shill fuckwads are so predictably retarded.
>>74330612
The New Zealander is right. And forgetting about money it'll also help us fix our demographics.
>>74322874
>affordable border solutions aren't feasible
Shoo shoo cucky.
>>74322874
He said it at the first debate. He also repeated it in his book.
>>74322874
1 cent tax per tomato coming into the USA. Mexico pays for the wall in 3.6 parsex
>>74330306
Nice ad hominem friendo.
Something bigger can always be made, but whether it is economically feasible is another story.
In fact, the Israeli wall was started over 10 years ago, and only 270 miles of it has been built so far at a cost of 2.1 billion, so realistically the US-Mexico wall would be more like 8x the size of the current Israel wall.
>>74330612
What If they just cut a hole in the wall?
>>74327833
What dream world do YOU live in? They are already in a civil fucking war.
Go watch Cartel Land if you have not already.
>>74330421
(You)
>>74330545
>It's not our job to sustain 3rd word shitholes to our own detriment.
Might as well abolish all foreign aid then. Let's see how hated USA can get. Let's also abolish any chance of another Republican in the white house.
>Prove that it won't make it through congress.
When Republican leaders (not only including Paul Ryan) tell Trump he is out of his mind for proposing a wall, there is a very slim chance he will get it approved. Also, do you think congress is stupid enough to pass something so radical it would risk losing the White House for an indefinite amount of time?
>>74330612
What would you propose to cut and do you think congress would approve of it?
>>74330671
>shill
(You)
>>74330739
>a couple hundred mile long wall is comparable to a couple thousand
>>74330739
>present tense
TRUMP WINS
>>74330938
Actually the wall seems like a good idea and I don't even mind immigrants.
The wall should be there regardless. It is just a good idea to put a fence in your lawn if you are having trouble in your neighborhood.
I wonder if it is more expensive to maintain than to build...?
It has to be but that isn't the point.
>>74331214
>16.77 trillion GDP is comparable to 290.6 billion
>>74330926
it's completely feasible. Mexico receives more than that every year in remittances
all he has to do is ask for the money, or threaten to cut off the remittances.
>>74331214
I know in some circumstances presidents can use executive action.
Plus if there is mass approval by the American people being expressed it is likely that congress would approve.
>>74322874
The only thing going bankrupt will be the more well-off shantytowns and various corrupt officials in Mexico once the flow of US gibs get cut off from illegals and anchor babies that have spent decades wells-fargoing it all south of the border.
>There are people that don't think a wall should be built
>There are people that don't think we should make every effort to keep illegals out
Something that a lot of people don't know, are the conditions illegals cross over in. Let me paint a picture: You maybe have a relative in America or just want to find your own American dream, but the legal immigration process is impossible for you to understand because you're an illiterate fucking spic. So, you go to a coyote (who works for a cartel) and pay him to get you across the border. You carry food that won't spoil and two gallons of water and you're off, but not before paying the coyote. Then you get to your meeting point and then you have to pay again, and you do because you don't want the cartel to behead you. Then you finally make the trek to the fence and hop over. Maybe you break your leg on the jump and get left behind to die or maybe you don't. Then you make the trek through the fucking desert in scorching temps by day and freezing temps by night. Maybe you freeze to death or die of heat stroke, but perhaps you make it to the highway without ICE finding you. Now you get picked up by a cartel driver and taken to a cartel owned house where you must pay again. If you don't, then they ransom you to your family. Didn't have family? If you're a man you work as an enforcer to pay off your debt (forever), and if you're a woman you work as a prostitute to pay off your debt (forever)
I don't know why nobody talks about how fucking terrible the journey an illegal makes is or how much money the fucking cartels make off of them, but it's a strong argument to curb illegal immigration. Takes money away from the cartels and saves these stupid fucks from killing themselves on the journey.
>>74331214
>What would you propose to cut and do you think congress would approve of it?
Funding to Sanctuary cities, taxes on repatriations sent to Mexico and tariffs on goods imported from Mexico until the wall is paid for
>>74327814
>Clinton did it when he was in office.
Which is why it cost hundreds of billions to bring the military back to a war time capable status. Clinton military budget cuts forced the military to cut funding for vehicle armor plating, body armor, military stock piles of basic weapons, and is the reason why a third of operational aircraft are actually operating beyond the operational service life As I said before Cutting the military budget will only make things even more expensive in the long run.
>>74331667
It could just come out of money spent on the border. 12.2 billion annually. Have Immigration take out a loan. Maybe 20 or 40 year.
Obviously that wouldn't be all of it. It should come from somewhere else too.
I think the gubment can take out loans.
>>74328106
>We could cut some of the useless military bases we have in Germany and Japan
Loosing half of your logistical deployment capability
a good idea.
pick one.
>>74331214
>Might as well abolish all foreign aid then.
I have no problems with this.
>Let's see how hated USA can get. Let's also abolish any chance of another Republican in the white house.
Yeah, because the countries that now hate the U.S. and republicans can totally vote in our elections.
>When Republican leaders (not only including Paul Ryan) tell Trump he is out of his mind for proposing a wall, there is a very slim chance he will get it approved.
speculation =/= proof
btw, how much do they pay you?
>>74331572
>I know in some circumstances presidents can use executive action.
Isn't Trump against executive action because it's unconstitutional? Why would he use executive action?
>Plus if there is mass approval by the American people being expressed it is likely that congress would approve.
Currently, it's the opposite of that. The general public doesn't want a wall and a lot of people think the wall is racist.
>>74331603
A wall is good and all but it's too damn expensive and Mexico won't pay for it. Why not rebuild and add more fences? Why not have security actually patrolling the border like it's supposed to? Why not use drones and other technologies?
What will a wall do that fences can't?
>>74331667
Congress won't approve of that and even if they did there's no way in hell Mexico will comply.
Not to mention Trump would be considered a worse president than Bush.
>>74331970
>I think the gubment can take out loans.
What a stupid idea. We're already in debt. Why take out loans?
>>74331429
The Mexican or US government is going to seize any money flowing over the US-Mexico border?
That's even more wildly improbable than the wall itself.
Any sort of wall on the border would take decades to build and go wildly off budget. It may even be more economically viable to try and fix the massive corruption in the Mexican government than to build such a wall.
I think a lot of people underestimate how absolutely massive the US-Mexico border is.
>>74332083
>Currently, it's the opposite of that. The general public doesn't want a wall and a lot of people think the wall is racist.
Nice try Pedro, you have to go back.
>>74332079
>Yeah, because the countries that now hate the U.S. and republicans can totally vote in our elections.
What? How the hell do you think the general public would feel when you stop giving money to poor 3rd world countries? Do you honestly think that will end well?
>speculation =/= proof
Do you also believe congress would pass any DUDE FREE SHIT and higher corporate taxes?
If not, proof?
>>74332298
Go back to where? Europe?
(You)
>>74332188
>Any sort of wall on the border would take decades to build
The Original Section of the great wall of china was 3.4 thousand miles long, was built by hand and took less than 20 years to build. the rest of the great wall was built and remodeled over a period of 200 years. the 2000 miles of wall needed to span the Mexico border would barely take a few years to build with modern construction crews.
>>74332478
Hey, I'm going to say I'm going to vote for Trump, and if you reply to this post to convince me otherwise you get some cash.
I'm being rather kind here, honestly.
Feel free to reply.
>>74332880
>You're either a Trump supporter or a Clinton supporter
Why do you have this mentality?
>>74332083
On average an executive action is used by a president weekly.
as of now poll suggests that 60 percent oppose the wall and 40 percent support. That number can very easily change with one simple crime committed by an illegal immigrant being fed to the media during a press briefing. That number will change every time that happens.
You are completely right on Trump being an idiot for wanting Mexico to pay for the wall however, If they only paid for a portion of the wall and the idea was presented as beneficial to them and not done in a tyrannical unfair manner that could change. This is irrelevant.
The national debt is actually an easy problem to mitigate. There are tens of thousands of lenders that would gladly lend money to America at an incredibly good price because we have a tendency to pay our bills.
>>74332662
It was also made with a massive army and used preexisting sections.
But comparing something built so long ago to modern construction methods is ludicrous, the Israel wall is a much better gauge on the time and money that would be spent on such a project.
>>74333757
Yup, realistically building a road 2,000 miles is probably just about the same as building a Fence 2,000 miles.
Obviously if someone did want it to take decades well, why not there are benefits to that and there are problems with that.
If someone wanted it to take 2 years sure, why not.
Or even a year.
>>74333757
>It was also made with a massive army and used preexisting sections.
A modern construction crew of 100 men can do the work of an army of 1000 china men with bronze chisels and wooden shovels.
