So I've been reading into MGTOW philosophy and I came across a post that is causing some serious cognitive dissonance. Can we come up with some counter-arguments
> In the past only 30 to 40 percent of men were able to reproduce. This suggests that hypergamy is not the result of recent cultural trends but the natural sexual structure of humanity that was evolved through thousands of generations. Stop trying to fight deep rooted biological programming. Either work on your mate value/courtship skills to become more like chad or stop complaining. That is the cruel reality of participating in the courtship game as a male. Evolution only cares about those who were successful in propagating their genes. Get good or fuck off.
Monogamy is what allowed our civilization to flourish. It gave Beta men who were smarter, but not necessarily stronger, a chance to flourish.
Take away monogamy, and 3000+ years of Western Civilization comes crashing down, because no more women will mate with Beta men.
>>74309175
This. Also real monogamy involves arranged or somewhat planned marriage where the families take part in courtship. The whole idea of "dating" is bullshit.
The above is true, but that doesn't mean most "MGTOW" guys aren't good goy idiots who are usually porn and/or casual sex addicts.
The important thing is NEVER believe any biological, evolutionary argument for human behavior.
people are not animals. fuck Darwinism.
The MGTOW "movement" is a kike shill tactic. There's nothing wrong with being a single man, but there is something very wrong in a movement that aggressively promotes it.
>>74309175
Which is why betas aren't bothering. They have nothing to offer women who can take care of themselves, because those women only want to open their legs for men who have a shitload of money (way more than them) or are super hot/popular.
The average guy who would work and contribute to society can see he will either live a life jerking off or getting together with a sub-par slut who has had a ton of dick and will never love him because her cunt is numb
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>>74309563
You're delusional if you don't think there are a ton of men who are completely gated out of the sexual market in the modern world where A.) women can support themselves and B.) are keeping their "vaginal gold" for the plethora of Chads they have access to in a hundred mile radius on their smartphones, ready to come to them.
>>74309563
Women today can make an online dating profile and get men begging them to fuck -- 900 men -- within a week.
Your grandmother wouldn't get that many guys in her life hitting on her.
Do you really think they're going to settle for the average chump -- who is a prius -- when they can just rent a new ferrari every fucking weekend?
>>74309563
>people are not animals. fuck Darwinism.
literally kill yourself.
>>74309911
>>74309837
>>74309697
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>>74308689
Man you faggots are insane.
Escaping the trap of being a Calhoun "beautiful one" is as simple as being better than any of the males in your immediate circle. Have a better body, be more charismatic, be stronger, have more access to money or nice things.
In your office, in your gym, in your campus, whatever. The problem is most of this website never goes outside or participates in a social circle so they have nobody to attain nor compete with.
>>74310160
You're just a weak pussy that can't handle the truth.
>>74310555
I have legitimate autism, and have ever since I was a kid. I'm still more successful than most of the people I grew up except socially , and managed to go from being in special education inclusion classes at age 10 to now having a master's in engineering from an ivy league school, and a high paying job. But I've pretty much recognized that I'm incapable of being normal enough to have a family. I've had thoughts of looking for a similarly autistic virgin wife, but really I'm too defective and should just go be celibate and focus on other things.
>>74311096
Having a job, a degree, your own place, a car and money is enough for a lot of women. Even if you're awkward.
The trick is to be someone they wouldn't mind being seen with.
>>74309175
The thing is, is that there still seems to be an embargo on discussing this.
Many many people want to tell themselves everything right now is wholesome and fair, but more and more people are waking up to things similar to what you say. Western culture is not a fair game of monogamy and equality; rather, it is a game where women are the winners by default and they barely have to put any effort in to get the top score. Like playing a game on tutorial mode with cheats enabled.
>>74311533
MGTOW is a trap to get betas to oppose marriage, which is the only thing that ever saved them from this fate in the past.
modern marriage is shit, mostly because contrary to what people believe marriage isn't about love.
Men aren't innocent either, promiscuous men are as much of a problem as sluts.
>>74311368
>Having a job, a degree, your own place, a car and money is enough for a lot of women. Even if you're awkward.
How kind of them to have such humble expectations of us.
>>74308689
>MGTOW is bad for men in a world where attention whorls and supplication to women has fucked everything
>>74312122
>How kind of them to have such humble expectations of us.
Thats life. For those who cannot accept it, there is MGTOW.
>>74312184
I accept it, until I realize that I'd rather use all those things to enrich my life rather than some whore's.
I think it's positive thing to reject the vaginal jew but I have my doubts about MGTOW. It feels like they're still obsessed with women. They're not gay and they will never be gay, they will always be in-between. But be aware guys like Milo prey on men like this, much like how SA was formed.
>>74311368
Yet men having their own standards in women - especially men not wanting to date/marry sluts - is now considered misogynistic. Alright then.
>>74311831
MGTOW exists for a reason, and it is a dead-end, but everyone pretty much knows that. This idealistic fantasy of "fall in love, get married" fell apart because nobody and nothing was enforcing it anymore.
Men are not innocent either, but Chad Thundercock is more to blame there than the average man. What bothers me more than anything is how women have the ultimate advantage in all this, yet people still lie and say they don't, then they use that as an excuse so women can gain even more power.
I just don't understand MGTOW. Women today are easiest as never before in Human history. Why you don't go and fuck them?
I agree with their views on marriage.
>>74312122
You have to look at the opposite. An ideal woman doesn't sleep around, doesn't have a substance addiction, doesn't have a kid, keeps in shape, knows how to take care of herself (not just physically but in life) and has a sense of loyalty.
Both members of a relationship have standards to keep.
>>74312488
It'd be interesting to see which is more plentiful. The man with the car, degree, job, etc. or the woman with your criteria.
>>74308689
In that case all of us are here today because tens of thousands of our ancestors were Chad Thundercock alphas who reproduced successfully? So why are we not all alphas?
>>74308689
> In the past only 30 to 40 percent of men were able to reproduce.
The number is fake.
>>74309697
>super hot/popular.
are you fucking 14 years old?
>>74309563
This.
>>74312458
>MGTOW exists for a reason, and it is a dead-end, but everyone pretty much knows that.
you don't win the game by not participating, idiot. That's how Gen X got fucked.
You demand participation on your terms.
>>74312705
because it's not true. Arranged marriage in some form was the norm for most of history.
>stop trying to improve don't reinforce the nuclear family as the building block of civilization give in to your base urges
fuck off
>>74312488
I think anons point was men are demonized if they don't want to settle for less.
>>74313136
MGTOW think they will in the long run.
"If we don't play this game, women would not obtain anything."
>>74313136
I don't consider myself a MGTOW, sausagefag. But I still seek to do things on my terms. Of course I do. I could go on and on about this, but /pol/'s attitude with MGTOW and women doesn't help at all. Young males have no incentive to submit to women and how atrocious women are definitely plays a huge role in this, whether people want to admit it or not.
>>74313447
Wrong post ill go pay the jizya and get some sleep.
MGTOW is the ultiamte cuckfag internet fantasy
cuckfags thrive on self-pain inflication to get off, MGTOW is the ultimate form of this as they convince themselves that the entire world and human evolution is a conspiracy to deny them sex and grant it to Chad Thundercock, a perfect alpha rich dude who exists in their mind
they can sit behind their keyboards talking about pseudo-science as they get the mental high they need to indulge their cuckoldry fantasies on the ultimate and final level
>>74313534
Even if every man did this, women would just import men from elsewhere. It's not a game you play in an open world.
>>74313541
Convert to Islam, beat your wife 24/7, no one will say a word.
>>74313136
Literally why? These bottom 60% are not even in play in the first place so who cares? They absence will not be missed and I can bet you ever fucking last one of them will go back into the market when they get old, lonely, and afraid of death.
>>74309175
This is actually true. It gave millions and millions of beta males a reason to live and thus a reason to labor. If monogamy did not exist, these beta males would only produce what is necessary to support themselves.
>>74309563
I think a better for of your arguement is this>>74309175
because it is biology, because the less attractive (more smart) but weaker mate never gets the girl in a purely biological situation
>>74309837
Nigger I'm a 7/10 neckbeard neet.
I'm currently engaged to a 9/10 girl who is 100% set on financially supporting myself and our children just because I'm not fucking retarded and know how to talk to people like a human being.
These MGTOW faggots really are the most pathetic faggots I've ever seen.
>>74313560
>Chad Thundercock, a perfect alpha rich dude who exists in their mind
I have seen many Chad Thundercocks in my life. I currently know two of them I occasionally talk with, sometimes we go out and do things. Chad Thundercock does indeed exist, and it's funny because they have less respect for women than I do. Despite all my Internet misogyny, Chad Thundercock has less respect for women than me. It's amazing.
>>74313922
That's like shooting yourself in advance when someone tries to rob you.
>>74312705
Chad Thundercock wasn't the only one getting laid centuries ago. Before the welfare state and birth control, women had to choose loyal providers or they and their children would die.
Chad Thundercock owes his success to the welfare state and birth control technologies invented and maintained by beta males.
>>74314024
you should really get a job. It's possibly even more emasculating to be owned by a female breadwinner
MGTOW's win condition is that every man on earth who's not already married to le perfect virgin gets on board, that laws are changed so that a woman you don't want to fuck can't just claim false rape if she wants' your shit, and that even chad of all people, who gets it for free, turns down sex every.single.time. They can only make themselves happy, they cannot fix the system for the rest of mankind.
>>74313560
100% agree
>>74313560
>pseudo-science
It's true that women are driven by hipergamy.
It's true that a % of men have been displaced by sexual revolution.
It's true that nuclear family and the institution is almost dead.
The problem is no the diagnosis, is what they propose.
If you want to take the 50% chance of letting the cunt take all of your life's work and custody of the children, then get married.
>>74314311
*institution of family
>>74314157
You're right, I'm so emasculated to be dating a girl out of my league who will literally do anything for me. How can I ever face all the kissless virgins on 4chan ever again..
>>74314643
She's testing you. Is he really that much of a bitch that he's willing to let me provide for him and our child? Have fun in a few years.
>>74309420
I converted to Islam (fuck off) and went to Iran and left with a wife at the end of my trip. Totally worth it, and she's great. Idk why arranged marriage has such a stigma considering not doing it that way is like less than 200 years old.
>>74314299
No, the true MGTOW utopia is Elliot Rodger's universe. But he probably think of the chance that men just start fucking each other.
>>74314810
kek. You guys really are pathetic when it comes to your view of relationships.
Nah senpai, she's just smart enough to realize that I have fucked up my chances at having a good career at this point in my life whilst she is still in a position to succeed.
But fuck it, this is /pol/ you guys can't believe anything positive about a woman unless she's making shitty anti-semetic youtube videos
>>74309175
>Monogamy is what allowed our civilization to flourish. It gave Beta men who were smarter, but not necessarily stronger, a chance to flourish.
So close to figuring it out and yet so far
Beta men aren't smarter, and they aren't "weaker"; it's not a physical thing. It's a genetic attractiveness thing. The "alphas" are smart, fast, strong, healthy, tall - they are everything you'd want when picking a male specimen.
Monogamy reduces the benefit of female genetic selection (hypergamy) in exchange for stable societies. Because men, instead of competing with each other to prove they are alphas and win over female interest and reproduce, are now working together to build society up, with the knowledge that they will have a wife and children so long as they simply contribute to society as a whole.
It is NOT intelligence vs strength idiocy. Alphas are outright better in every single way. It's about forcing women to choose less attractive men than they could otherwise get (by sharing those men with other women), so that the larger population of men don't waste all their time fighting each other.
It is fundamentally what western civilization is built on, and is one of the primary reasons we've achieved as much as we have.
>>74309563
>There's nothing wrong with being a single man, but there is something very wrong in a movement that aggressively promotes it.
this
>>74313762
>Even if every man did this, women would just import men from elsewhere. It's not a game you play in an open world.
The primary goal of MGTOW is to destroy the transfer of wealth from men to women. This is currently done through marriage/alimony/child support and the welfare state. By not marrying or knocking up a woman, men can eliminate the first type of wealth transfer, and by only working the minimum necessary for each man to enjoy his own life he denies extra tax revenue to the state that would be transferred to women.
Those imported men would not create anywhere close to the economic value of the guys going MGTOW.
>>74314024
>>74315322
my god you're completely clueless
>>74315380
This.
>>74315380
>Monogamy reduces the benefit of female genetic selection (hypergamy) in exchange for stable societies.
That was sort of his point though.
When men are treated as disposable slaves, and demonized, and do not have as much access to women as they'd like, they get royally pissed.
Women are degenerate the way they are today because western culture gives them the advantage, and we cannot even criticize them at all. The little dudebros on here that say "YOU JUST GOTTA FUCK HER HARD MAN" are ignoring the bigger picture and are wrong.
Many people in this thread are saying the same thing but in many different ways. It will be interesting to see how things progress as this current status quo intensifies.
>>74308689
Females prefer Carly brown tattoos?
>>74315807
>The primary goal of MGTOW is to destroy the transfer of wealth from men to women.
That's what the jew already does. Women now rely on state,in stead relying on their men. State dependence - no dissent.
Good job being a good goy.
>>74315833
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=financial+domination
>>74309563
this anon is correct
MGTOW: Strong independent men who don't need no woman!
Feminism: Strong independent women who don't need no woman!
But inside they where all sad and broken blaming others for their stupid mistakes and lifestyles.
The end.
>>74309563
>>people are not animals. fuck Darwinism.
This is bait right? I remember some girl actually arguing "well we are beyond biology".
>>74316136
I agree.
But the real discussion here is about monogamy vs. free sexual market.
>>74308689
Females only care about three things: height, face and frame.
>>74315807
The problem is that the institutions of marriage and the laws protecting it, have become one-sided.
Marriage itself is a good thing, but we've eliminated all the things that punish female infidelity while keeping all the laws that enforce the male side of the deal.
It is MEANT to be a give-and-take for BOTH sides. The woman gets a guaranteed provider for life, so she can be secure in the knowledge that her children will be taken care of; with laws protecting her even if the man reneges on the deal at some point.
The man gets guaranteed reproductive rights, with knowledge that his children are actually HIS children and he has no obligation to take care of the children of other men, with all his obligations removed should the woman commit infidelity.
And a mutual option of divorce if the two feel as though the contract no longer works to their benefit.
But right now, it's not this. It's women-get-everything and men-get-nothing. That's why MGTOW looks on marriage with such disdain, but the institution of marriage is a good thing, the problem is that it has been twisted and corrupted by female "emancipation".
>>74308689
>In the past
When was this exactly? Does this include the 20th century? This stat needs a defined time period or else its incredibly vague and unreliable.
>30 to 40 percent
Maybe there are other reasons than just hypergamy like constant war campaigns with hundreds of thousands of men dying and leaving no genetic offspring.
Does this number include the number of male children and the high infant mortality rate in the past? Or just the mortality rate in general. Diseases like the plague were rampant in those days killing men and women in the millions.
Does this source include the number of women that didn't reproduce? I suspect that many women wouldn't want to reproduce due to the significantly higher probability of dying during childbirth in the past.
Do you have a source for this study?
>>74311831
>MGTOW is a trap to get betas to oppose marriage
You're the worst sort of dumb shit retard that can exist. Marriage no longer exists. The institution has been completely replaced, but they still call it 'marriage' because idiots like you only see the words and the surface instead of the actual underlying contract and the way it's changed.
Examining modern 'marriage' with honest eyes, it would most accurately be called 'male slavery'. Only women benefit from marriage, and only the rights and interests of women are protected when the 'contract' is dissolved. To a man it means losing 50%-100% of your wealth, and giving a woman 100% control of their children and their future. Without laws against adultery that are enforced, and guaranteed custody of your children, what the fuck is the point for men?
Fucking die.
>MGTOW
>still fuck chicks but don't marry them or spend anything on them
>donate sperm so genetics preserved
>etc.
>>74316376
One leads to a thriving healthy society, the other leads to faggerty, degeneracy and death all around. Hmm, that's a hard one. Oh wait.. MUH DICK!
>>74316136
But which side has the support of the media, educational system, and the government?
>>74308689
there's no need to be a chad unless you want a top tier stacy. which isn't worth it at all, since these women are exclusively sociopathic, having praise and admiration for things like walking and breathing all their lives.
other than that, finding sex isn't nearly as hard as /pol/tards make it out to be
>>74309175
>Beta men who were smarter, not stronger
Alphas are both smart and strong. Betas are smart and weak or strong and dumb.
Omegas are weak and stupid.
Like you.
>>74312488
>Keeps in shape, has loyalty
The rest of your list literally takes no effort on a woman's part to attain value. Literally none.
>>74315380
This post made my head hurt.
Female sexuality is not like male sexuality, you can't riddle off a list of attractive things.
Women are extremely complex in how they pick men. Stereotypical tall, fast, handsome is actually not the full truth it's only a portion of how attraction works.
you can say it's dumb, but you can't argue that it's happening and there's tens of thousands of guys out there that will never marry.
if anything, this is more about how marriage is fucked and dead and we will start seeing massive statistical drops in marriages over the next 30 years which will completely change our society and will bring in more immigration because the population will severely dip in the next 30 years.
>>74316399
What else is there to do dude? Die out slowly? No. Find one, man up and have some kids. Live a minimalist life and trust your instincts. It's worth it.
You'll get a few years older and realize the pendulum will NEVER swing our way if you don't do this. Don't quit like a bitch and MGTOW. Women are fucking children, you can't blame them for their stupidity and naiveties.
>>74316927
Even staying in shape shouldn't require much effort. Just don't eat like a cow and you can stay relatively thin. Guys don't require girls have 6-pack abs or well developed biceps.
But guys don't just have to be non-fat, they have to lift weights to build muscles in order to increase their attractiveness.
>>74316957
I think what differentiates men in that regard is their drive and ambition, some men's ambition is like a goddamn fire.
I'm sure Mark Antony was an alpha considering he was a general, but he still wasn't Emperor material like Caesar.
>>74315833
you sound like a sad virgin desu
>>74308689
MGTOW is a circle jerk of beta faggots who don't know how to get laid. Gammas, sigmas and alphas know how to play the game.
ITT: short guys convinced that all tall, muscular guys MUST be stupid
>>74316957
>Not all women!
bruh
>>74316045
This. People think MGTOW is bad because they tell the core family to fuck itself, but in reality women are relying on the state instead of their families.
The "core conservative traditional family" supporter is just too beta to understand women and the state are parts of the problem.
>>74309175
>implying it was a good choice making our civilization flourish
3000+years later and the only thing we have left is a world that:
-is getting destroyed so we can produce things,
-have societies that literally are all up their asses with all their mental gymnastics about how great they are that they're not seeing they're about to destroy their society with their liberal politics
-is changing the concepts of men and women with a new one that is not natural at all
We changed a structure where the strongest was the winner and where humans were happy satisfying their needs and cravings for that world
>>74317004
Only because before those men died from diseases, wars etc.
Life is so easy now. You can decide whatever lifestyle you want. You can enjoy being single. Hell you can even choose to be gay and no one will discriminate against you. These are happy times for men.
>>74315937
>Women are degenerate the way they are today because western culture gives them the advantage
Women default to hypergamy behaviour because it's the most successful sexual selection trait for humans so far.
Men have become genetic experiments with greater variance in traits, women select the cream of the crop and the next generation is born only with the best traits. That's basically eugenics in action, but accomplished via thousands of years of evolutionary selection on the psyche of women.
Basically, the societies where women behave this way have outcompeted the societies where women have not behaved this way.
We are now transitioning to a phase in human evolution where caveman-era sexual selection is LESS beneficial - the hypergamous society is also a society of constant attrition and infighting, and is much more easily broken apart from outside by a more conformist and cooperative group. That conformity and cooperation is made possible by social contracts like marriage.
This is fundamentally what laws are about. It's why we punish criminals instead of just letting them do whatever they want.
The thing is, modern society doesn't see hypergamy as the criminal act that it is equivalent to. They don't see how it is destructive to social order, nor how it weakens society as a whole. It's a case where the freedom of the individual has run roughshod over common sense. It'd be equivalent to saying, "Well, it's okay for this guy to steal if he can get away with it", while simultaneously punishing anyone who tries to deal with the thieves.
It's accelerated destruction of society, and it's intentional. Some (((group))) is pushing for this "emancipation" of women for the express purpose of destroying western civilization. It's not women themselves, because they simply follow what authority tells them to do. It's a problem within our authority structure itself.
>>74316957
so what do women want?
>>74317370
>choose to be gay
Wew lad
>>74317329
That's not what he said you idiot, he said that you can identify all the traits that make a man attractive to a woman.
It's much more than just "le strong tall man" or else powerlifters would be drowning in pussy.
>>74317190
>What else is there to do dude? Die out slowly?
Get a life. Go contribute to society by studying or becoming a good enterpreneuer or politician. Get hobbies and friends.
What's MGTOW, exactly? (I know what it stands for).
As in, if I don't want to marry or have children, am I considered one? How does this work?
>>74315143
People think arranged marriage is the same thing as forced marriage, especially in Islam when it's the opposite.
>>74308689
This is bullshit because if you want to go back to the supposedly natural way of things, the law of the jungle of hypergamy you have to also bring back murder and rape. Murder and rape are ways to equal the playing field. Those that are more bloodthirsty are able to kill off the competition of Chads and rape the women.
I'll be ok with hypergamy if murder and rape are also allowed. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
>>74317314
I call it the dino-efffect.
Manlets think "the bigger the body the smaller the brain." Like a big dumb dinosaur.
It's the same as when ugly women think beautiful women have to be dumb.
Seems fitting that both have started political movements around their insecurities.
>>74315322
You've failed in life. Hers is just beginning. What value do you offer again? It's certainly not going to be being a role model for your kids.
>>74316136
So what you're saying is I should lower my standards in women just to fulfill some sort of societal expectation that I should churn out kids and waste all my resources on an idea that no longer thrives?
Yeah, pass.
>>74317520
I'm sure SOME have tried it
To me it sounds the most logical option, since the way MGTOW is right now: reject women and then constantly bitch about them non-stop
They need something to replace women with if they really want to keep up this lifestyle, whether it's Chinese cartoons or other men
>>74317293
>Gammas, sigmas and alphas know how to play the game.
I hope they know how to not get fucked by false rape accusations.
Also, when they get married, I hope they also know how to not lose 50% or more of your ownings, being forced to pay alimony, and losing the right to have your own child.
>>74317239
That's why I said nothing on his list really takes any effort at all when he started whining about how women have to do things to attain value compared to men.
>>74316845
>Alphas are both smart and strong
They can be, but not necessarily.
Alphaness isn't about success, it's about aggression and ability to dominate a situation.
>>74316957
>Female sexuality is not like male sexuality, you can't riddle off a list of attractive things.
You absolutely can:
Women desire men who are the best; who can dominate other men.
That's the above-all rule.
It's not money, it's not facial structure, it's not muscles, or brains. It's "CAN YOU BEAT OTHER MEN?" if the answer is "YES" than you can fuck freely. If the answer is "NO", then you can go get fucked.
All the other stuff - appearance, money, smarts, etc. - SUGGEST that you can beat other men at something. Being physically fit SUGGESTS you can physically beat other men. Being tall SUGGESTS you're better able to throw your weight around and physically beat other men. Being smart SUGGESTS you can make up for deficiencies in strength or appearance and still beat other men. Having a lot of friends SUGGESTS you have the connections to beat other men.
What it all comes down to is BEING BETTER THAN OTHER MEN.
THAT IS WHAT IS ATTRACTIVE TO WOMEN.
Hypergamy is fundamental to women. They choose the men who beat all the other men. And every man cannot be a "winner" in this competition.
But in the 'natural state of things' it would be perfectly okay for us to just murder the alpha and rape his women.
If we're going to revert to out natural state surely all these unnatural 'law' things should be gotten rid of too?
>>74317413
No one really knows.
We know that there are somethings that women like, such as men being handsome, etc. but we still don't understand attraction fully and it's likely that a mans behavior plays a large role in attractiveness. A good example is that some attractive women are hardwired to like conventionally unattractive men:
https://drmarkgriffiths.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/the-ugly-truth-a-brief-look-at-teratophilia/
>>74317761
Then you don't get to vote, own land, own a business, or take part in any cultural influence.
Oh, wait. Thanks liberalism! Isn't it great that liberalism and feminism is your best pals?
If you don't care then give me one reason why society should give a fuck about you. But I guess you'll just demand respect because you're alive and muh rights.
>>74308689
>Stop trying to fight deep rooted biological programming
womens protection by the state is a socially engineered construct. It's pretty much the equivalent of hitlers breeding program.
>>74317380
This is true. Society flourished by channeling both male and female nature. Now female nature is unshackled while male nature is still constrained. Their primitive lizard brain method of mate selection is not compatible with breeding the people needed to run and advance a modern technological society.
This type of society is not sustainable, and will eventually die out and be replaced by a more traditional one.
>>74317637
>>74318001
These two posts are on to something.
I honestly don't care at this point. If women want to revert to animalistic base instincts and be proud of it, why can't men? I know rape and murder are illegal, but I thought men and women were "equal" and stuff and such and things.
>>74318001
if things had progressed "in the natural state of things", our mental capacity would be indefinitely higher, due to the fact that in nature, intelligence rules all
>>74317577
Basically. MGTOW doesn't mean you can't date or have sex with women, you just refuse to marry them, or go out of your way to white knight for them. You work and live just for yourself, and not to contribute to a broken society, until the laws are changed to bring back a balance between the sexes.
>>74317777
QUADS!
Always get a prenup my friend. Know what kind of woman you're going to stick your dick in, ALWAYS wear protection, avoid the degenerates and always remember, sex is just like taking a shit or a piss, a necessary release of bodily excretion.
This is like...the ultimate betacuck thread. Betas and cucks coming together to justify their faggotry.
Is it seriously any wonder you homos aren't getting laid?
>>74317646
the funny thing is smart, social, successful men and women are usually also decently attractive. the myth of "attractive but stupid" is just a way for ugly people to feel better about themselves
Its a function of primitive selection by physical fitness/social aptitude taking precendence over child-rearing capability.
In primitive societies physical fitness leads to social position by might-makes-right darwinism, and fitness leads to social dominance as means for success. In more advanced societies without darwinistic constraints, child rearing takes precedence as societal laws have made physical dominance unnecessary for success.
Now with social safety nets and both genders working there is no need to have a mate that cares for your child, you can either pay for daycare or go on welfare.
>>74308689
>Stop trying to fight deep rooted biological programming.
Why? The marriage contract is a core part of civilisation. Men with families and roots are invested in the survival of their culture/nation/people. Men who are on the fringes and have no anchor start revolutions and burn it all down.
>>74308689
women can be replaced, the technology to have artificial uteruses already exists, and the ability to create eggs from male cells is going to be available within 10 years.
once we eliminate women, we will control our own DNA, we will be truly free for the first time ever, that is the solution
>>74318001
You're on the right track, see: >>74317380
Hypergamy is like having a society where people murder and steal, and it's up to the individual to protect themselves from it. Basically, natural selection.
Hypergamy in today's societies is like the above, except the overruling authority (the government) PUNISHES the individual who protects himself or otherwise gets around hypergamy. e.g. you cannot murder women, you cannot rape women, you cannot get out of child support payments, and so forth.
It's a system where women are allowed to be lawless - while men are not likewise allowed to be lawless, and this sort of situation results in the rapid instability and destruction of a nation.
You can have either a lawless or lawful society, but you cannot have BOTH a lawless and lawful society. When you try to do this, your society collapses either to a lawless one, or a lawful one. It is only ever an in-between state, not and end-result.
That is why female emancipation like we have today has always resulted in the removal of these 'rights-to-do-whatever-we-want'. Whether by the originating authority structure removing them, or by the originating authority structure being taken down and replaced by another. In the present day, the latter is happening as Islam begins to take over western societies.
We HAVE to fix marriage laws to fix western society and prevent its decay and collapse to outsider cultures.
Female emancipation was the biggest mistake western civilization has EVER made.
>>74318723
Do you want a cardbord box to hide in until science saves you from the girl cudies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVsAcwWTOsU
>>74318417
So I'm one by that definition, I don't see what's wrong with that. I don't for about defining myself by that though.
>>74314095
And yet he still has chicks lined up ready to suck his dick
>>74308689
'MGTOW' here, if you want to call it that, though I don't care for labels.
I've given up permanently on dating, it's just an all around shitshow today. Swipe left, swipe right, be expected to put in an absurd amount of effort for something that should be relaxed and enjoyable.
If avoiding dating means that I will die alone without furthering my bloodline, so be it, that's a fate I am willing to meet. Fuck the whole game.
>>74318971
*cooties
>>74317333
the traditional family unit dying out is the 1st definite step to a dystopian society, pretty much the kind you see in horror flicks.
>>74310797
> a fucking leaf
Fair point
>>74319002
MAH MAN.
>>74318035
No, it's very easy to understand once you stumble on it, female attraction is determined by whether or not a particular man can beat/dominate other men.
It's why authority figures like police are seen as attractive, why height/money/influence/intelligence are seen as attractive. It's all about whether or not you can beat other men.
The "alpha" isn't necessarily the strongest, fastest, whatever. The "alpha" is simply the guy who has, for whatever reason, been able to defeat most other men who challenge him.
>>74308689
Lol, what fucking assmad buttfrustrated kike beta male made this.
>>74315143
How the fuck did you convert to Islam? I understand the people indoctrinated by it from birth, but you have to be quite literally retarded to convert. Do you believe Muhammad split the moon in two? Do you believe he flew off to heaven on a winged horse?
Are you a retard?
>All the cucks in this thread
Monogomy has always had a purpose
>>74316823
So where does one go to find girls?
>inb4 tinder
That place is a cesspit
This is possibly the best MGTOW discussion thread I've ever seen on /pol/.
It seems like most people here now understand the fundamental issue - that when men have no other option, and when women go unchecked, things turn to shit, and then men either give up or start being violent.
This is a far cry from all the femanon slut shilling and pro-woman worshiping these threads almost always turn into.
>>74319314
You're literally surrounded by them.
You just see a girl you fancy and you make it clear you're better than other men/her current man.
That's it. That's the secret.
>>74319310
Monogamy is no longer enforced in females. If a husband cheats the wife can divorce him and take the kids, the house, and get alimony/child support and everyone will agree she was justified in doing it. If the wife cheats she can still divorce him and get the kids, the house, and alimony/child support and people will still find a way to blame the husband for her infidelity. It's a heads I win, tails you lose situation.
>>74319440
So just talk to random whores I find attractive in public?
Wouldn't I get peppersprayed for that?
What if the people close by see me get shot down?
Too much pressure !
>>74315143
Nice b8, m8.
>>74308689
Is this the burning issue people discuss here? I'm glad I avoided these threads like a plague. This was worse than reading through a suicide help forum. Fuck outta here.
>>74319643
That is why no fault divorce was such a terrible fucking idea. It literally caused the issue you are describing.
>>74308689
I'm living for making money, enjoying and improving myself. I only work for what is logical and women in this era are not logical.
Men have to put in incredible effort for little award. To get muscles and fitness took me a few years to gain and I'm working on the high-paying career which I almost have. All a woman has to do is stay thin and not be too nasty to be around but even that get chucks out the window with some desperate men.
It's such a broken system.
>>74318053
Society already doesn't give a fuck about men
>>74320117
It's not meant to be easy. It's not meant to be fair. It's meant to be as hard as possible so only the absolute best men reproduce.
There's nothing irrational about it.
>>74317190
>What else is there to do dude?
I don't need to propose any solutions to make the point I did.
And dying out slowly isn't the only alternative to marriage. It's possible to have children outside of marriage. Common, even.
I'm also of the mind that my own death is equivalent to the destruction of the entire universe, so it doesn't matter to me either way whether I leave something behind.
But even discounting that I could pay a surrogate to bring children forth for me, date/cohabitate outside of marriage, give my life fighting against the people that created this situation, or just let myself die. Does it really matter? Life will go on, or it won't. Don't care either way, myself.
>we should just revert to following beastial urges bruh thats what we were made to do
>why dont we abandon goverment as well? fuck it
>agriculture? who gives a fuck when i can fuck bitches all day
>fire? pussy shit just yolo it bruh
>>74318053
>muh r
>But I guess you'll just demand respect because you're alive and muh rights.
This is another core issue with modern western society.
"Men's rights" are laughed at, and we are told that we are protected under "human rights". Yet we are victims of violence and hardship more than women are, and women, other men and the media make a mockery of men having rights in the first place.
Men are already disposable and disadvantaged. You can bet your ass that if a real war eve broke out, we would all be rounded up and shipped in cart loads to the front lines while women stay back and take slutty selfies and do nothing.
"Male privilege" is not real.
>>74320306
I'm well above my peers but it's still bullshit. I have tired to find women who are not insane with incredibly high standards but that's nigh impossible. I would not mind having a family but there are too many risks and looking at it from a cost-benefit analysis; the benefits are near nil and the cost is very high.
Self-improvement in everything and enjoying myself is a much more fun alternative.
>>74320511
But. but.. you really expect women to be in front line? That's impossible.
>>74310160
>s-some g-guys said that women aren't virgin angels who only care about marriage and children!
>I-I better call them insane, then it won't be true! As long as I deny it, it won't be true!
>>74320900
No. I expect women to want "equality" yet also be pampered. I expect women to want to benefit from feminism and chivalry simultaneously, for them to want all the benefits of being a man AND woman yet none of the downsides of being a man or woman.
And yeah, I get it. We give all this privilege to them and they simply take advantage of it. But spoiling women and not holding them accountable for anything simply puts more pressure on men. Gender equality does not actually exist.
>>74312469
its not about not fucking them, its about not getting married.
>>74320741
Well your assessment isn't wrong, but neither are the statements I made.
It is what it is right now. Fixing our society requires re-implementing proper marriage laws.
>>74309175
Boom, end thread. Some men can never be chad.
>>74321460
That I agree with. I'm hoping that the criminal justice system can be fixed but it's a low probability, but still, I hope.
Remaining vigilant is still useful so I'll continue to self-improve and enjoy what I gain but women will have no part in it.
This entire thread kekles my shekels
>>74319870
Then you are not better than other men.
>>74312705
Because the standard for alphas keeps getting raised. The beta males of the neolithic past were supremely shitty specimens. proto-humans who barely had the language thing down
>>74313340
Are you retarded. Humans spent 10x more time evolving in small bands of hunter-gathers than they did in the agricultural societies where arranged marriages started popping up
>>74318769
Agree with you on female emancipation. Beyond being destructive and inherently world denying, present day female emancipation is so convoluted and hypocritical as to produce a sort of blind stone age zealotry among its strongest adherents and defenders.
However, I disagree on Islam. I do not think it is the creeping influence that many on here believe (though it is abhorrent like all the Abrahamic religions).
There is no solution to this problem. MGOTW is essentially playing chicken with women, both will end out the losers as civilization teeters on this top heavy and unsustainable model. Fact is, this shit can go on for a long time. The Pharaonic model has seen centuries of success even in 'stagnant' societies that benefit only a select few. The question is, will Western men accept this model and their fate (80+% of men marginalized) or will they opt out and let our societies descend into a sort of barbarism if things don't turn around for them.
>>74315380
Beautifully said
>>74318053
>Denmark flag
Figures. Listen here fag: the value of my life is not placed on how many fucking kids I churn out. It's what I contribute to society.
Now I can be a nigger, and go out and rape/fuck 30 bitches and continue my line and go to prison, or I can work hard, make a living, and reap the rewards of my effort.
But considering you're from Denmark I can already assume you make a living getting cucked.
>>74309175
>I would actually try to preserve such a pathetic and retarded race by competing for a prize pig.
Yeah or I could say fuck your idiology and the human race
>>74317637
> hypergamy is equivallent to murder and rape.
True. If women are allowed to be hypergamous, men should be allowed to kill off their competition. Its only natural.
On another note: has anyone prior to the emergence of the internet, prior to the 20th century, identified hypergamy and wrote about it? Or is this the lesson on human nature that our generation has had to exclusively learn?
>>74317966
By "beating other men" do you mean killing them? Or having financial success? If its the latter, the Jews are winning. Lets all just kill ourselves and get out of their way.
>>74327033
I think Schopenhauer does mention it in passing.
The trouble is that this stuff was not mentioned as much back then because it was just ASSUMED as common knowledge.
I.e. Water is wet, women want to trade up.
Seems that only lately we've brainwashed ourselves otherwise.
>>74318083
>>74318083
Rollo Tomassi said something of the same nature. Women are maximally unshackled from expressing their base instincts, men are maximally constrained. This is the goal of feminism. What is the endgame?
As long as women remain satisfied nothing will change. They must suffer.
>>74318769
Then why is this society still standing, and showing no signs of collapse (to the normie)?
>>74327282
I mean dominating them.
That can be killing them, it can also be having them as slaves or servants. It can simply be proving you're better than them at something.
Financial success isn't the only kind of success. Street thugs get women because they fight other thugs and beat them. That's attractive.
It's all about domination - not domination of the woman; she doesn't even put up a fight - but domination of other men.
and the competition never really stops. If you slow down, misstep, say 'fuck this bullshit', some other guy who doesn't; who doesn't fuck up, who doesn't stop, who never says "I'm not putting up with this anymore", wins the sexual reproduction race.
>>74327654
>What is the endgame?
We've already reached it. See >>74321258
>"... to benefit from feminism and chivalry simultaneously, for them to want all the benefits of being a man AND woman yet none of the downsides of being a man or woman."
That is the endgame as far as women are concerned. They absolutely love the current status quo. Men can't even speak out against it without being called virgin losers. Women are the dominant gender currently regardless of what people here want to think otherwise.
>>74327881
A single instance of infidelity will not suddenly topple society.
Society is a behemoth. It takes time to destroy it. Picture it like a tree, and current reproductive/marriage laws (among many other issues) as incessant hacks to the base of it. Which strike finally brings the tree down? Do it enough and it will certainly happen, and you can guess roughly how far along you are, but you'll never know which specific stroke does it until it happens.
We're hacking away at the foundation of our society. Eventually it will collapse. I can't tell you what/when/where. I can only say it's happening, we're seeing the signs of it all around us, and that we're almost certainly in for a bad ride within the next 100 years if we don't stop it.
>>74327282
"Beat" probably means "ensure the well-being of offspring better than another man". Financially, from wild animals, etc.
>>74315380
You need to learn to read. He wasn't saying that only undesirable men are smart. Rather that it gives all men a reason to produce and require as much resources as they can, SPECIFICALLY betas because they will need to make up for what they lack in sexual market value.
>>74315143
>Islam
well memed
I converted to being a wendies fry cook with a 50 inch dick.
>>74319228
>Bobby
>limp
Dude fucked left and right, this meme is fake and gay.
>>74327911
>domination of other men
Again. The Jews or NWO are doing this. Very well. By your argument, the Jew is genetically superior to the white man.
>>74319236
This.
Women don't care if you are a football player. If your team loses every game you play, you aren't going to have pussy lined up in front of you. Women want a STAR football player.
Women choose men based on the perceived status she can gain by being your girlfriend.
Pretty much the worst thing you can be as a man is boring.
>>74328240
"We" are not hacking away, we're trying to preserve it. Seriously, if we ever regain control, we better kill those vermin who got us here without mercy. To set an example.
I hope shills are reading this.
Did I mention that we will torture in front of your wife and kids? We will show the social engineers the same mercy they showed us.
>>74329220
*((you))
The human race will soon be the privy subjects of unspeakable horror as the few grow in power and subjugate the many from indestructible fortresses both physically and metaphorically
Reproduction merely states that you are such a good slave you will even create more slaves for the system you are a part of.
>>74329070
Physical attraction is to men what social status is to women.
Charisma is the male equivalent of having a fat ass.
This is why even ugly fat guys and guys with no job can still get pussy. Make her laugh prove to her you are not stale and boring
>>74327881
If society was showing no normie perceivable signs of it's imminent collapse, Trump and Sanders wouldn't be presidential candidates.
>>74309697
> women take care of themselves
Lolololololol yea, welfare checks, tax credits and child support... Such strong womyn
I've pretty much come to terms with the fact that I'm simply not in the echelon of men that women see as worthy for reproduction with. I got one girlfriend after countless failed dates with other women and can honestly say I did my very best to make her feel loved and appreciated, while also improving my value as a man in school, work and health. Despite my absolute best efforts, she cheated on me then left me. While I'm depressed, I'm also much less stressed, so I'm relatively comfortable just staying out of the race I wasn't meant to participate in.
>>74329685
>make her laugh
Yeah no amount of chuckling will make a woman keep interest. You have to have that "edge" as well.
You know, the kind of edge that while making a woman laugh you tell your boss to go fuck off and get fired. You won't have a job but god damn if her motherly instincts won't kick in to protect that "bad boy".
>>74330159
This is the worst part.
The only reason women can survive without partnering with 'betas' is because they've voted for government that forces betas to provide for them regardless.
>>74329685
That's not true at all.
Bitches want authority, money and slavery.
They want to be entertained, drugged and given welfare.
>>74329839
Thank God.
>>74329442
Women only like you so long as you are agreeable. Be alpha all you want, be funny, charismatic, witty etc. But never drop a red pill. Never tell the truth. For once the woman realizes that you are not a slave, you're unfuckable.
Let the slave deny this, and gloat as his own vapidity since he can get muh pussy.
>>74315380
>It's about forcing women to choose less attractive men than they could otherwise get
No. In the non-monogamy scenario the betas just peel off, don't contribute, kill themselves and chad can't support an extensive harem by his lonesome. Monogamy naturally arises because the beta-brides are the ones who'd get booted out when chad has to pick and choose which women/offspring to keep with his limited means. They get what they're worth: not chad.
>>74328839
Only by using non-natural conventions like courts and laws to enforce their supremacy. If society truly reverted to law of the jungle I very much doubt that such a small group like da joos would dominate.
>>74328007
But women still aren't satisfied with the status quo, they keep pushing and pushing for more. The wage gap myth perfectly illustrates this. The only way to possibly narrow this perceived gap would be to subsidize women by taxing men more. So they can continue to get their degrees in women's studies, but be paid like a guy who graduated with a degree in chemical engineering.
How much further can women push things in their favor before a sizable portion of men say enough and fight back, not just go MGTOW, but start voting for red-pilled politicians, or even resorting to violence?
>>74329685
I must admit... while physical attraction is a plus... It's a horrible thing to pick girls for.
I lost precious time looking for someone my mates would consider hot... Simply out of fear of being judged. Often ignoring the sweet girls that have been a support to me when shitty relationships broke...
I honestly feel cheated... Even by myself. I picked hollow and obsessive bimbos for years... Because I thought looks alone indicate a good partner... It's what I was taught.
Never again. What matters the most... Is picking a fucking great friend. A caregiver. And one with the same goals as yourself.
Nothing beats feeling like being a unit. It's different that "dating". It has focus and cleared my apathy.
>>74331014
Such unity is what most males deep down are searching for. Congrats for finding it- and I hope it lasts. Cheers, anon.
>>74308689
I don't get it. That quote you posted sounds like an argument against MGTOW. Are you asking /pol/ to defend MGTOW? I 100% agree with the quote, MGTOWS are butthurt manginas that can't accept biological realities.
>>74330960
>How much further can women push things in their favor before a sizable portion of men say enough and fight back, not just go MGTOW, but start voting for red-pilled politicians, or even resorting to violence?
That has been a central theme of this thread - that men either give up or resort to violence when they can't get women or success in society.
I'm not sure when the bubble will burst honestly. I am not a MGTOW because I recognize how MGTOW goes against our core human nature - but, I know why MGTOW exists in the first place, and the answer is very simple. The slutty femanon shills that lurk /pol/ need to read this thread and study what we say here so they can understand.
Historically and in the modern sense, when men have little to no access to women, and when men are demonized and can't be successful in society, they become psychotic. They either withdraw and give up completely, or start being violent, which includes rape, acts of terrorism, starting wars, and anything in between. I'm not advocating for those things, but that is what happens.
The people that call all these disaffected men "beta virgins" and all those negative buzzwords have no idea that they are poking a sleeping grizzly bear. Something's gotta give, and we basically all agree here that things cannot keep going on like this.
I have no idea why western culture wants has so much hatred for average and undesirable males and is trying so hard to provoke all of them and ostracize them.
>>74331014
>A caregiver
This is it. I learned years back to just look for teachers and nurses.
>I run a community art outreach non-profit
fuck off
MGTOW is for weak betas who need to be part of a group because alone they are worth nothing.
You guys are just as bad as feminists. If you would instead work on improving what you can, you'd at least have a shot of finding a girl that's decent.
>but anon, all women nowadays are evil
No, you're just a lazy fuck who gave up looking too early and opted to bitch like a woman.
>>74331169
MGTOWs are equivalent to feminists who cannot accept that men like women that are both skinny and curvy. Translate "waaah hypergamy" to "waaaah men like skinny girls with big boobs". Sorry bitches, get fit.
>>74331383
>MGTOW are men who just want to be left alone
>Feminists demand Alpha chads fuck them.
Kinda missing the point dumbshit.
>>74315380
>>74331294
>The people that call all these disaffected men "beta virgins" and all those negative buzzwords have no idea that they are poking a sleeping grizzly bear.
is this a school shooting threat, Albert? i have FBI tips gov open
>>74331707
If you want to be left alone then shut the fuck up and don't draw attention to yourself by starting a 'movement'. No one cares what you beta fucks do.
so i'm a macro evolutionary biologist.
basically in nature we have both animals that rape and animals that don't rape (with a sub group that try but are stopped by other animals, sometimes only the male sometime only the females)
anyways, looking at the big picture, rape in animal kingdom is RARE. and when it is observed, it is seen in the more intelligent animals.
this lead to the most prominent hypothesis, that rape is an adaptation. adaptation is a trait animals gain in response to circumstances. considering that all higher order animals are in societies, and the species are capable of complex communication, rape is linked to societies and communication.
Sidenote : rape is also an adaptation in animals where population density is extremely low, and female encounters might happen a handful of time in a males lifetime. This scenario is very rare
so we have to look at what is unique about societies and ability to communicate that calls for the adaptation that is rape.
cont.
>>74331731
No rusfaggot, I'm simply trying to explain that insulting disaffected males is only going to end in catastrophe. The Internet is doing this on an astronomical scale. People do it in real life (although not as much). Instead of knocking these guys down, people should either leave them alone or motivate them. But we all know that is not going to happen.
Look at all those autistic fucks that shot up places before. They would have benefited from help, but nobody helped. And those are modern western examples. Look at how "ISIS" recruits young disaffected males, or how young disaffected males cause so much crime, or fight in all the wars, and do the raping.
>>74332020
cont.
so far, we believe culprit is social status. raping has been observed in 1. high status males onto females lower than them (kings and princes raping peasant women) 2. extreme low status women get raped by everyone 3.rape during war time 4. extreme low status males raping everyone they can
the common theme is that in all the example, the rapist has nothing to lose, while there is a chance of an offspring. no matter how you look at it, it is beneficial to the rapist. however it has detrimental effects on society
now how does this tie to social status? well men of social status that don't benefit from society gain more by raping. men who benefit from their social status don't, in other words, those who benefit from society want to keep it good (people stop and punish rapist) and people who don't just reproduce.
so this brings me to
>But in the 'natural state of things' it would be perfectly okay for us to just murder the alpha and rape his women.
this would not be the natural state of things, as vast majority of men in the world are benefiting from society. Humans have always been like that. We can’t just decent back into chaos as the immediate shift will be detrimental to the majority of the worlds population. Life expectancy today is ridiculous and 81% of men and 87% of women reproduce. Compared to most of history, that’s a really good split for men. So NATURALLY, it’s actually beneficial for all non ultra sperglords to keep society together, because chances of reproduction is higher (but not guaranteed)
>>74311368
The problem is not that there are no women who would settle for a smart rich autist. It is that there are no women who would go out of their way to date anyone who was not in the top 1% of hotness. Weird autistic people do not make good first impressions, and typically are not going to be great at courting the girl. And while modern girls might be self sufficient in many things, being the initiator in the relationship is not one of these things.
>>74332030
ISIS recruits westerners not because they are disaffected, but because Muslims who grew up in a western country with Muslim ideology and traditions cannot relate to the western society.
>>74312469
MGTOW are into pickup culture, they are just not into getting emotionally involved.
>>74332232
That is why the young Muslim men are disaffected, Britain.
>>74331885
>No one cares what you beta fucks do
>Crying about men not raping women and going to prison just so more children can be born
Yeah...great job proving your own words fag.
>>74312469
from what i understand, MGTOW thinks women are the easiest as never before for the top 20% of men. for the other 80 they are actually pretty hard.
and in my opinion, raising men without masculine role models has made things even harder to deal with for those 80%
>>74313340
>most of history
By most of history, you must mean all of recorded history (a little under 6K years), because writing was not invented until after civilization, and civilization is impossible without monogamy. Because if you meant human history (aka 200,000+), than you are absolutely wrong. The entire point of the male gender is to compete for right to breed, and most have to lose.
>>74332413
Well, it's really difficult to help these people unless you are the fucking Imam. Muslims interpret the Quran in so many different ways it's unbelievable. And they extremely devout to that interpretation no matter what. I had a first hand experience with radical Islamists and these were my fellow Uni students who were born and raised in Britain.
>>74308689
Two words: Free will.
>>74331168
The fun thing is that's exactly what my girl says most girls do too.
I think a lot of people get stuck on superficial standards instead of what they themselves need.
>>74308689
The natural state of human reproduction is rape. So if a bitch wants me to "get good", then I am just going to beat the shit out of here and rape her face.
I doubt she has a boyfriend or any male family members around to stop me thanks to feminism.
>>74316045
Who funds the state, retard?
>>74314024
what´s your wife do for a living?
>>74309175
blame social media and kids growing up expecting they deserve everything
thanks to everyone deserves a trophy and princess movies girls grow up thinking that one day prince charming will come to them, having them hold out rather than "settle", men aren't at fault either, some men just swear off women all together at young ages because they think they deserve perfect women when they're some nobody
social media just let women realize they don't need to settle, because they got beta orbiters messaging them and boosting their ego all the time
>>74332319
You have to give to get. The whole pickup thing backfires as you essentially are faking a personality.
When you fake something - you won't ever get what you need. You're literally digging your own grave of unfulfilled needs and drama.
Been there. Done that. It really was a hell to wake up as that "player" personality starts giving you a serious dissociative disorder.
Advice.
Date your best support.
Don't fear rejection. Don't let it change you.
And always bring forth the caregiving qualities of her. We secretly want to be cared for, and women secretly want to care.
It's a much better deal and it doesn't hurt your soul.
>>74317333
>>74316045
The state cannot function without beta males paying into it via taxes and fixing/inventing stuff.
>Either work on your mate value/courtship skills to become more like chad or stop complaining. That is the cruel reality of participating in the courtship game as a male.
agreed. 100% true.
>Evolution only cares about those who were successful in propagating their genes
this is wrong on so many levels. First, evolution doesn't "care", period. Second, evolution is meaningless at this stage of human development, and isn't linear in the sense of "these people have more kids so they are ahead evolutionarily". You already share any significant gene with other humans around you. There's nothing unique about "you" that mandates YOU need to mate over everyone else. We are a species that works together to solve problems (excluding niggers), we are one whole. To say that you need to have children to pave the way for evolution is discounting at least half of the most important individuals who have ever lived, from Da Vinci to Nikola Tesla to Nietzsche. When you're that smart, having children is literally worse for EVERYONE. You don't get a benefit from it, and neither does society, as it takes away your ability to benefit society.
This line of argument presupposes that it's a race to see whose genes are on top. But the fact is that you share virtually every significant gene with other individuals from your ethnic group, and nature isn't going to care whether it is you who has the kids or whether it is your ethnic neighbor. It doesn't fucking matter as long as kids are being had. This is what "society" is, we aren't fucking rapidly evolving dinosaurs or something shit.
It's just so magnificently retarded for anyone to subscribe to this notion and still be "YEAH EUROPE". Europe thrived because it had a class of theologians and philosophers that abstained from having children. In fact, the individuals who RULED Europe from 400 ad until the reformation were celibates who had no children. Like, it's literally so fucking retarded to think this that it makes me angry
>>74334023
>>74314024
Same story from me. I am short and spent way to much time with distractions... But I am a good talker and I know that hoesty pays off in the end.
Dating a kind beauty making 80k all by art directing on movies. And she loves me because I speak directly to her, as honestly as I can and because we started out as friends online before dating irl.
We both were "edgelords" in the past but have now come to appreciate life again by simply digging underneath all the masks.
Never wanted kids till I meet her.
>>74320415
Now you understand Africa.
>>74333760
retard read this>>74332020
>>74330703
In other words. Monogamous societies are just. Women get what they objectively deserve. A 7 gets a 7. Not what they "think" they deserve.
Entitlement is not an objective standard of desert.
>>74315322 (you)
>>74334122
On point.
Expectation and social pressure ruined my early 20's. I had so many layers of masks and edgelording on me I could hardly breath underneath it all.
It's all bs. There will never perfect partners as little as there are 100% perfect co-workers, parents or friends..
What matters is that we hold up the torch and be as honest as possible with ourselves. And show others that they can do the same.
>>74315380
Alphas aren't automatically better in every category just because they fuck more chicks. I've known quite a few retarded meatheads that were just blessed with good genetics and charisma too.
Betas aren't weaker than alphas by default either. It's not so black and white.
>>74330897
>Only by using non-natural conventions like courts and laws to enforce their supremacy.
You mean like lending money on interest, and "quantificational easing"? Producing something from nothing is natural? Remember that these fuckers are the most successful in our society, and that the normie, especially women, equate the success of the kike moneychanger with universal success. How is an honest man supposed to compete?
This unnatural state is exactly where we are. And women cannot tell the difference!
>shilling vaginas
>>74308689
English caribou and sabre tooth tiger anon.
Their females kept reproducing with only mates with THE BIGGEST horns or teeth or claws or whatever... the traits got so big it lead to them having problems and dying out. Females don't automatically know what's best for a species.
That person isn't wrong though. The wrong comes in when assuming the womens mate valuation is always valid. Women are too fucking stupid to see the bigger picture like men.
>>74309175
I'm glad /pol/ is finally starting to see what I've been saying for years. Pic related backs up why monogamy made us who we are. Basically because of monogamy we were able to determine who's kids were whose and you could focus more on raising your own genes, due this for several generations and they got smarter and smarter.
Basically being a good parent is what evolved us from monkeys to man. Religion likes to pretend is "family values vs evolution" when the reality is evolution backs up the idea of family and monogamy with solid reasoning.
>>74334817
Tell me again which gender is known for leaving their spouse when they get "too old"
Shit happens, the world isn't perfect, but I now know how to deal with it.
And it's not by being a "player" running away or being a unfulfilled pessimist.
>>74331168
I thought I found it. She was from New Zealand. I guess I was wrong. Now I thirst for blood.
>>74309563
Humans are animals and were are all driven by the desire to reproduce. We aren't some magical alien race thats somehow different from everything else on the planet.
Not MGTOW, because those faggots are a bunch of fedora tippin' heathens, but not exactly dying without a woman anyway.
>>74312122
It's ok for both genders to have standards, anon. Just like you wouldn't fuck a woman who looks like Jaba the Hutt and smells like a full shitter, it's ok for them to want a reasonable amount of success.
>>74335278
>We aren't some magical alien race thats somehow different from everything else on the planet.
Except we are, you retard. Everything was made for our pleasure and we're better than other things objectively.
>>74308689
For the record, you idiot, that cartoon is making fun of the MGTOW-types and beta fucks.
League of Lolesbians fags WILL defend this.
>>74309563
>People are not animals. fuck Darwinism.
found the idiot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jDNTWFKv1E
>>74335309
I remember I made girls cry on Xbox back when COD4 and Halo3 was fresh. those were the days
>>74317190
>man up
Okay stopped reading there
Lock with many keys is a shit lock, key that can break many locks is a good key, etc.
>haha yeah dude just MAN UP lol haha wow man why dont you just ignore that half of the human race overdosed on X chromosomes at conception and are ""doomed"" to be fucking retarded wow man what year is it
>>74334861
This.
Everyone put so many damn expectations on me that I lost my shit and dropped out of society. After a while I discovered that nobody is perfect, everyone is lying to everyone else, and all one can really do in this world is what makes them happy.
My life got a lot better because of it. I wish that they taught this in school.
>>74331294
>Historically and in the modern sense, when men have little to no access to women, and when men are demonized and can't be successful in society, they become psychotic. They either withdraw and give up completely, or start being violent, which includes rape, acts of terrorism, starting wars, and anything in between. I'm not advocating for those things, but that is what happens.
This is literally why the French Terror happened. Everything we are saying here was said by Denis Diderot in Rameau's Nephew, especially chapters 2 and 5. If you are a femanon and reading this, do not be surprised when the blood starts flowing. All things in nature implicitly contain their limiting/constraining counterpart. Hypergamy is implicit violence. Violence is implicit Hypergamy.
Freud captured this sentiment when saying: "Unexpressed emotions will never die. They are buried alive, and re-emerge in uglier ways."
>>74308689
>In the past only 30 to 40 percent of men were able to reproduce. This suggests that hypergamy is not the result of recent cultural trends but the natural sexual structure of humanity that was evolved through thousands of generations. Stop trying to fight deep rooted biological programming. Either work on your mate value/courtship skills to become more like chad or stop complaining. That is the cruel reality of participating in the courtship game as a male. Evolution only cares about those who were successful in propagating their genes. Get good or fuck off.
This whole paragraph is absolutely correct. Here are your options:
1. Git gud with scoring in the current meta.
2. Wait for superior competitors (VR, robotics) to smach the market to pieces.
Where'd the vagina-worshipping kikes go?
>>74312419
MGTOW is all about placing your happiness in your own hands. It's core principles is to never let your happiness and purpose on life be dependent on another person.
Yes, most MGTOW are obsessed with women and the idea of love. Most men are in general. I am too, the problem is I just don't see how the alternative is better.
MGTOW means living to maximize your own happiness and never letting some unreliable person, be they woman or man, change that. Call it selfish, call it whatever you like but they are right. Life has to be about you first otherwise your just a tool without an identity that will be used by the parasites called women and the state.
Not even once.
>>74331731
You better report to the alphabet soup. I even have a name for you: Maxime Robbespierre.
>>74312469
I want love more than a cheap fuck. Love is near impossible to get. Thus, I'm a MGTOW.
being a vagina seeking nether ape is nothing to be proud of. The PUAs are a bunch of sad losers.
>>74335692
>ps2 sucks
Worst part of the whole bit
>he still uses virgin as an insult
