If socialism is so bad then how come it works in europe?
>>74156447
It doesn't work.
>>74156447
Its like a ponzi scheme, Europe can only trick new people into joining for so long.
>>74156447
Racial homogeneity means you don't have 59% of niggers receiving state funding just for being niggers.
Socialism is great! Just ask the USSR.. Oh wait.
How does it work?
>>74157275
This. Socialism works when everyone is making six figures and is willing to give up four of them.
>>74156447
The only Bernie-tier socialist countries in Europe are Greece, Spain (also known as the shitholes of Europe) and Denmark. The Danish economy and labour market is very differently organised then the rest of Europe or America. They also don't give free money to niggers, only to the Danes. That's why it works pretty good in Denmark.
Because we live to work. No "pursuit of happiness" bullshit.
>>74156447
>>74157300
The failure to the USSR is owed to Russian ineptitude, not ideological flaws.
>>74156447
Socialism is workers controlling the means of production. Europe is still capitalist, as the means of production is either in private hands (free market capitalism) or the state (state capitalism)
Fucking. Retards.
>>74157347
I thought Denmark was where white people come from.
>>74157451
>hurr durr I don't know what is socialism
>"if socialism sucks how come Denmark can do it lol gotcha faggots."
Denmark is the size of your tiny penis and until recently had zero racial diversity. America implementing socialism would turn into white people subsidizing niggers and spics.
No fucking thanks.
>>74157423
Venezuela
>>74156447
>it doesn't
>>74157549
Hurr durr if we get free healthcare we live in a socialist society
Stupid cunt. Europe is varying degrees of mixed market capitalist societies
>>74156447
It doesn't. We pay out of the ass, taxes on everything, but pappa gub'mint can't even pay for your higher education anymore. No free tuition, no free monthly allowance while in uni, nothing, only a 52% tax rate for anyone doing reasonably well. Meanwhile refugees get their own cozy home with playstation and don't have to do shit all day.
>>74156447
It doesn't the EU has cucked most of europe so they are now facing record numbers of unemployment plus they are getting raped by rapefugees everyday
>>74157575
>No fucking thanks.
You don't want to know the joy of busting your ass for mudslimes that will shot you in theaters or niggers that will insult you in their songs ? Really, americans are such bigots.
>>74156447
Europe was one a rich and glorious series of nations built on the banks of crumbling empires. Socialism is a luxury, it's dependent on the successful management of industry and raising taxes. You can't do one without hurting the other. It's unsustainable and erodes within a century or turns to imperialism / fascism or another form of authoritarianism.
The nordic countries got it too work because they have a small population, believe in it for their population and live frugal modest livestyles. You'll be hard pressed to find a mansion in those countries.. it's why the likes of Notch and Pewdiepie leave, they get punished for their success in the name of "greater good".
>>74156447
>It works great in Europe
The Europe that is being taken over by Muslims? The Europe where """"""""refugees""""""" rape white women by the masses and their prime ministers work with the media to cover it up?
>sounds like one of Bernie's cuck phantasies
>>74157583
Obviously socialism cannot work without a stable economic foundation.
>>74157892
>being this much of a memelord
Do you actually believe life in the EU is bad?
>>74156447
because europe was white.
>>74157362
Pursuit of happiness basically meant being financially secure and secure in property tho
that's like saying "a well-regulated miltia" means that the government needs to regulate it. the meaning of words change over time.
>>74157215
>Socialism is a ponzi scheme
>dependent financialization isn't
come the fuck on now
>>74156447
Yeah, it worked so great. Oh wait.
It kept eastern euro countries whites, that's the only good thing about socialism.
>>74157971
people think /pol/ is more than a containment board, it's pretty funny
>>74156447
> europe
> works
>>74157971
>Do you actually believe life in the EU is bad?
yes the swiss rape the shit out of your european union countries
>>74157971
>being this naive
That's the attitude they want you to have. Wait until the sand niggers are in your town and you actually have to face it. You have obviously been sheltered from it but that won't last. It's only a matter of time.
>Europe is socialist
Read a fucking book for once in your life you retards
>>74158039
Do you mean fractional reserve lending?
If so I agree.
>>74156447
it doesnt
>>74158034
>Pursuit of happiness basically meant being financially secure and secure in property tho
Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't tens of millions of Americans lost their means to pursue the aforementioned since 2008?
I'm not sure what makes you believe your system is so much better than ours. If this were 2006, I'd believe you. Nowadays, though? You're leaning yourself out the window a tad too much here, I'd say.
>>74158336
My hometown has been full of foreigners since the dark ages. We're fine.
>>74158358
It does.
>>74158347
Fractional reserve lending is a part of it, yes. It encompasses much more than that though, it's the general economic shift from producing goods and selling them to creating money using various financial identities, with the 'value-added' being the creation of capital and so on.
>>74156447
It actually doesn't.
>>74156447
Has it come to mind that america and europe (a group of member states) are kinda different
>>74158488
youre right, let me correct myself:
it currently works. with any more refugees it wont. we will get more refugees.
thus it will stop working within a decade.
>>74158525
You just described the fractional reserve system, but excluded manufacturing and distribution.
>>74156447
Where the hell did you read it works here? It's shit, debs are ever rising, unemployment is getting dramatic in the cities youth, problems can't be named due to muh racism or triggered ignorance... YEAH take all of that out and it's great.
>>74158336
>being this paranoid
If we assume that there are 1.5 million turks, 0.5 million arabs and 1 million new refugees, that's 3 million. Germany has a population of ~80 million. So 3.7% of all inhabitants of Germany are Arab. Yet you think they're swarming Europe and wreaking havoc. You're a fucking paranoid retard.
>>74158657
Fractional reserve banking is simply the idea of being allowed to accumulate financial leverage by only keeping a fraction of the money you get as deposits as reserves, leveraging the rest to a massive degree, which is a part of dependent financialization. What I'm talking about is the distribution of the different sources of wealth creation in a country's GDP and how financialization is the shift (in proportion) from one sector to another. Just as industrialization was the shift from agriculture to manufacturing as a proportion of a country's GDP, financialization is the shift from manufacturing into ponzi scheme finance of the same degree.
>>74158812
>debs are ever rising,
Have a debt ceiling. Nobody forces your government to overspend.
>>74158463
First off, define "foreigners".
You really have no idea what's coming, do you?
>>74156447
>Europe
>Socialist
No.
>>74157451
That be communism dawg
>>74157373
based chess master
>>74158860
>yes everything is fine. Nothing to see here. You're just paranoid.
>tfw when London just elected a Muslim mayor
>>74158881
>First off, define "foreigners".
Turks, Arabs, Balkanites, even some Africans
>You really have no idea what's coming, do you?
This country, or rather the country it emerged from, once got depopulated by the plague and the most cruel religious war in all of history. And it's still here. We're fine.
>>74159129
There's worse than Muslims.
>>74158400
I wonder who's behind this post?
>>74158901
No it isn't, you stupid lard. Communism is a "moneyless, stateless, classless society", an equally retarded concept.
>>74156447
Because it's not just socialism. It's capitalistic socialism.
Sweden was almost untouched in both world wars. They also have oil. This means they can easily pay for everything with oil money. Other countries can't do that. They don't have piles of cash; if they tax businesses, they will go offshore or simply cease to exist.
Moreover, socialism works only when people agree to return what they take, act responsibly. When you take in millions of immigrants who can't even speak the language well, it's not for welfare, it's robbing people of your country.
Pure socialism didn't work for us Russians. Now it doesn't work for Venezuela. The reason is simple: socialism makes everyone equally poor except for the ruling class. It destroys economic incentives and hands the control over economy from the market to state officials who can't comprehend how it works.
You know the most sure way to kill your country? Planned economy in food production. Expect constant hunger, food rationing and lack of toilet paper. It did for USSR what its enemies couldn't do for 70 years.
>>74157423
>not ideological flaws
>thinking labor theory of value is not an ideological flaw
>thinking that equalizing private property and crime is not an ideological flaw
>>74156447
Because a lot of countries today combine capitalism with socialism. In Nordic model the government is lead by democratically elected parliament that doesn't really own the private sector.
Here the job of the government is to provide it's citizens social security and promote technological and cultural progress in through funding and other forms of support. It's also job of the government to keep the competition in private sector fair so that the corporations don't go around and violate human rights, the environment or the people to get competitive edge.
Problem with modern systems is the lack of transparency along with problems caused by free-trade agreements and globalization. While some countries do their best to combat environmental and social issues along with following, you can't assume that other countries will do the same. If you still allow these countries to sell their products and services in your country it will be close to impossible for local industry and services to compete with prices of shady foreign goods and most consumers don't really have the time to care.
>>74159171
I'm a German with some Bosnian and Persian roots. I'm all for racial pride, but it shouldn't supersede one's will towards a functioning society. That would be a political failure, and we're trying to be the politically sophisticated ones, are we not?
>>74159129
>sees the word muslim
>has a hissy fit
Sadiq Khan is a human rights lawyer. If that doesn't encompass integration into the West nothing will, it's one of the things we criticize third world countries (with the US ironically being one of the few "developed" countries that has an issue with) for not having enough of.
lmao
it doesnt work when you have 40 million dindus to feed
they dont even pitch in so how do you make it work??
>>74159168
You're not making a very convincing argument guy.
>>74159231
The last time i checked, China had currency.
>>74159258
Sweden does not have oil ivan
>>74156447
It's not working in Europe, for the same reason it won't work in the U.S.
Other countries work harder (Germany) than others (Greece)
A country like Greece used to have a very bad credit rating and wasn't able to be loaned much now had the eu credit rating and could borrow a Fuck ton
Look at what the euro used to be, the dollar has now almost passed it up
>>74157423
Pure socialism has always failed. USSR collapsed, Venezuela is about to collapse. North Korea lives on humanitarian aid from other countries. Cuba is extremely poor.
While—surprise—capitalist countries never collapse for some reasons. Despite socialist will cry that stock market is a scam, banking sey ystem is a scam, etc, for some reason those things benefit people.
But of course an enlightened college student like you knows better than that, right.
>>74158860
Fractional Reserve is the ponzi mechanism that allows those bad actors to prosper, eliminate that and you take away their ability to grow disportionately.
>>74157549
You're the one who doesn't know what socialism is you dumb cunt.
Socialism = public ownership of the means of production.
Name one European country where that is the case.
All of Europe is capialist as fuck.
Why do you think they import so many third worlders? Because capitalists love cheap labour.
>>74156447
NHS is deemed as Socialist and that service is bankrupt and broken, which is why it's being slowly taken over by private firms. I don't know of any Labour policies that have worked. Socialism is a complete failure in Britain. Don't know about the rest of Europe or even care roll on the 23rd June.
>>74156447
>Hurr durr "Nords are socialists" meme
>I believe because The Bern told me so
I can't wait until they deem leftism as a mental illness that can only be cured by lobotomies.
I'll make sure you get your treatments, OP.
>Scramble your brain to erase every trace of you
>Repurpose you to destroy other lefties
>>74156447
Europe hasn't had to pay for their own defense for 60 years
>>74159259
Socialist theory has advanced a lot since Marx. Of course the Soviet leadership, due to its totalitarian nature, had no means of implementing those advancements.
>>74157892
The people who want to import these migrants are CAPITALISTS.
Comprede you stupid burger muching fuck?
The same people who want to give visas to Mexican border jumpers in the US.
Capitalists love immigration because it's a source of cheap labour.
>>74156447
1) it's not working in europe
2) the USA pays for their defense
>>74159137
>we got fucked up before so why worry about what else is coming. It doesn't matter.
No wonder your country is slowly going to shit. You people have been made so apathetic since the end of the war. Btw, having a few dark skinned people in your town is different than a slow invasion of millions of sand niggers who don't have the remotest desire to assimilate.
>>74159574
> All of Europe is capialist as fuck.
Said the redcoat who has to have a TV license to watch government owned media.
>>74159415
>Thinks China is communist in anything other than name
>Ignorant of the fact that they've only lynreached today's levels of success thanks to capitalist reforms in the 80's.
FFS, you as ignorant about socialism as the average Bernout.
>>74159574
>>74159686
It's just that most of 4chan doesn't know the definition of "socialist" and use it as a synonym of "degenerate".
>>74159734
>your country is slowly going to shit
Germany is stronger than ever.
You know what? I think you're jealous.
>>74159544
not really, it's one of many elements that were associated with said disproportionate growth. With derivatives, all you do is transfer ownership and combine multiple instruments of debt into a package and sell it, there's no fractionalization there. The derivatives market and the way it's run also falls under the umbrella of financialization. It's much bigger than you think.
The point is, socialism, whether libertarian, democratic, or otherwise, would've prevented that from happening on the scale that it did.
>>74159739
I don't pay for a TV lisence since I don't watch TV.
You seriously have to be an ignorant rube to think that Britain is socialist.
I mean, I know American education is shit and you guys are brainwashed to hate anything that's govt funded but holy fuck...
>>74159734
That's called "The Joys of Collectivism"
>>74159686
That's funny because we're faring much better than you right now. Even with a nigger president that hates western culture. Your white socialist leaders are fucking you so hard. Suck me dry.
>>74157423
Isn't an ideology reliant on the lack of ineptitude and corruption in government a flaw in of itself?
>>74157300
>le USSR is representative of all socialism meme
>>74159511
>capitalist countries never collapse
>zimbabwe is doing hunky dory
>brazil is doing fine
>Argentina didn't have it's growth stunted like a kid with foetal alcohol syndrome and is still yet to recover 100 years on
stop generalizing vlad
>>74159574
>Socialism = public ownership of the means of production.
Actually, we pursue something called "social democracy", which promotes social justice within the framework of a capitalist market economy. It is de facto socialism. The presence of socialist government does not imply there can be no private ownership, I'd really like to know who taught you otherwise.
>>74159954
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
I'd wager you've never even left the US.
It's crazy how many Americans I meet in London who can't stomach the thought of going back to live in their country after living in Europe.
You're just fucking delusional and get your worldview from a chinese meme factory website.
>>74159804
>Germany is stronger than ever.
Didn't know Germans had a sense of humor
>>74159918
>Greece
>only 21% think hard work is important
no wonder they're fucking destitute
>>74159804
>Germany is stronger than ever.
Oh that's cute
There is literally no full socialist country in Europe. Certain countries maintain certain aspects of socialism, but it is never fully integrated.
Also; that kike Sanders referred to Denmark/Scandinavia as social democracies, when they're all constitutional monarchies, lmao.
Also the welfare state was started by Bismarck, a reactionary conservative.
It doesn't and we haven't even implemented on Bernie levels.
Remember the last time Europeans tried democratic socialism?
>>74159954
>we're faring much better than you right now
>hates western culture
>>74160139
The basic definition of socialism taught me otherwise, retard.
>>74158400
they have a RIGHT to pursue it, but it isn't just handed to them by others.
>>74157575
This is really the end of the discussion. Most of these "success story" countries in northern Europe have half the population of New York City, and none of the diversity (comparatively).
Nobody can point out a country of 300 million or more where life wasn't full of misery and mass death, because none exist.
>>74160167
>>74160183
German share index
On our way to becoming the world's greatest.
>>74160139
>socialism
>capitalist market economy
Are you seriously this fucking dumb?
Those two things are antithetical.
Socialism has nothing to do with gay rights or racism or "social justice".
Socialism is about public ownership of resources.
Jesus H Christ read a book that isn't Ayn Rand.
>>74157423
t. Walter Ulbricht
>>74159137
>once got depopulated
so the goal is to go through this method again?
>>74160310
>Those two things are antithetical.
This is precisely where you're wrong.
>Socialism has nothing to do with gay rights or racism or "social justice".
You don't actually know where the term social justice came from and what it actually means, do you?
>>74156447
>Be Europe
>Have all of your military defense covered by USA
LOOK AT ALL THESE FREE SOCIAL PROGRAMS!!!
SOCIALISM WORKS EVERYONE #FUCKCAPITALISM
#MARXWASRIGHT
>>74157892
"The Europe"
>NA education at it's finest.
>>74156447
>socialism
He is a criminal communists, who want to rob the "1 %"
ANd no, socialism doesn't work. If you want to get health care as a poor person in Germany you have to wait month and only get the worst treatment possible. Don't let you get fooled by this communist.
Security is paid for by the US, also anything of value comes from the private sector that takes risks. The US is Europe's safety net.
The second world (Serbia e.g.) leeches off the EU. It's a ponzi scheme like anon said.
It's fucking horrible, nobody does anything except fight over gibs from Europe please just nuke us already.
how do mainstream economics explain the china meme when it goes against everything neoliberals preach about the free market being magical fairy place?
>>74160142
>a couple people I met say that yurop is better than Merica.
lol a couple fucking hippies told you America is bad? I'd rather be homeless in America than live in fucking Britpakistan.
>>74160517
>The US is Europe's safety net.
Explains why every financial expert in Europe deems the current economic situation unsafe.
>>74159686
>The same people who want to give visas to Mexican border jumpers in the US.
not for any positive economic reasons other than VOTES
>>74160418
>implying that buying our shit from the US is detrimental for the US
>buying milk from a supermarket is bad for the supermarket
>implying anybody is forcing the US to do any of this
>>74160518
because mainstream economics is fundamentally flawed and has not reconciled with that reality.
>>74160391
Are you memeing me?
I refuse to believe that someone can be this retarded.
Please go read a definition of socialism in a fucking dictionary before you embarass yourself any further.
>You don't actually know where the term social justice came from and what it actually means, do you?
The term goes back thousands of years but in contemporary society the "social justice movement" (gay rights, antifa, etc...) permeates western capitalist countries.
>>74160310
This. Socialism was socially conservative in eastern Europe.
It's all about who controls resources.
Modern leftists being the cucks and useful idiots they are, never ever talk about exploitation, or class struggle, or the market, all they do is bitch about society's consequences and secondary symptoms (social justice, equality etc.)
>>74160480
I take it English is not your first language. Please correct my grammar if you are so intelligent.
>>74156447
> Socialism
> "Work"
Wew lad
>>74160517
>the US is Europe's safety net
tell that to Iceland's financial sector after they followed the US role model
>>74156447
>If socialism is so bad then how come it works in europe?
>works in europe?
>requires the replacement of the whole European population
''It's not stealing if you take from the state''
-Yugoslavian proverb.
>>74160142
average age to move out of mommies house in London is? Sounds great for a manchild. lol
>>74160626
I didn't imply jack shit.
Though, germany isn't allowed a military, and neither is japan. USA is pretty much honorbound for their defense, otherwise they would rebuild their military.
The point is that it is as it is, and it makes socialism seem possible, you retard.
>>74160721
I think he was pointing out the implications of looking at Europe as a singular entity more than the grammatical validity of your sentence.
>>74156447
The italian left almost makes mafia look like the good guys
>>74159686
>The people who want to import these migrants are CAPITALISTS.
>Comprede you stupid burger muching fuck?
>The same people who want to give visas to Mexican border jumpers in the US.
Nah those are globalist crony capitalists that benefit from a strong federal government that fucks the country to destroy competition
>>74160749
First of all, if there was no US and NATO all our shitty little nations would descend into ethnic conflict as we have done numerous times in the past.
>>74160658
No, you are the memester here.
You're thinking about Marxism.
Etymology
Attested since 1832; either from French socialisme or from social + -ism
Noun
socialism (usually uncountable, plural socialisms)
(Marxism) The intermediate phase of social development between capitalism and full communism in Marxist theory in which the state has control of the means of production.
Any of several later political philosophies such as libertarian socialism, democratic socialism and social democracy which do not envisage the need for full state ownership of the means of production nor transition to full communism, and which are typically based on principles of community decision making, social equality and the avoidance of economic and social exclusion, with economic policy giving first preference to community goals over individual ones.
>>74159681
>Of course the Soviet leadership, due to its totalitarian nature, had no means of implementing those advancements.
And this is the main reason of USSR collapse. Moscow commies fanatically preached to a false bible. Any attempt to reform were doomed to collapse.
>ideological flaw
>>74160973
Marx was anything but modest, but I don't believe the USSR is what he envisioned.
>>74160924
Shut up and educate yourself, this is pathetic and sad to watch.
>>74160812
And?
In the context of this thread viewing Europe as a single entity seems appropriate. Especially since nearly half of all posters including OP have done it.
>>74161053
Marx has neither invented nor consolidated socialist theory. Social democracy and national socialism are based. One day, you'll realize that both the left and the right are mistaken.
>>74156447
Because capitalist USA bears the brunt of medical development costs with huge prices.
>>74160543
Nobody cares. Stay in America with your niggers and ignorant, obese rednecks then faggot.
>>74160604
Yeah, that too. But primarily for cheap labour for the corporations that fund these politicians. Nowhere is this more ostensible than in the US btw.
>>74160806
I rent my own flat. You'll be able to as well someday if you stop being such a faggot.
>>74160924
You're the one who's confusing SOCIALISM with SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIORS.
They're not the same thing Hans.
Read a fucking book. It's like kids get their political education from Twitter and Facebook these days...
>>74157126
Fpbp
>>74160310
Socialism is a wide spectrum but it's not far off from democracy imo.
Soviet socialism, national socialism, democratic socialism, progressivism, liberalism, democracy.
It's mob rule with the goal of integrating minorities into the majority. People being identified as a class, instead of individuals until everyone is truly equal under a one party system without any divisions.
China comes the closest in the modern world. Islamic state is pretty close too.
It's basically genocide.
>>74160811
you do realize that military spending stems from a government budget, right? You do realize that given the characteristic nature of the military as a non-rivalrous, non-exclude-able public good, it fits the bill for most other "socialist" provisions of what they regard as rights of inhabitants?
Military spending is literally an element of socialist policy, applied to defense programs instead of education or other programs. In other words, socialism isn't made possible because of military spending, military spending is part of socialism.
The irony is, you guys did make significant forays into socialist policies. It is possible, even in the US. FDR, who everyone lauds as a hero, was a democratic socialist, through and through, and he had to deal with financing a world fucking war.
>>74160906
>talks about the private sector
>I mention US private sector policy & it's implications
>constructs a strawman on defense
you can do better.
>>74161093
Fuck if I know, but by sheer probability he views Bulgaria as an element that does not conform to the 'singular entity' approach you mentioned given the fact that they've been divergent in policy (when compared to the EU) of late.
>>74161239
This has nothing to do with what's known today as SJWs. That term was stolen by people who believe they can make up their own definitions of words.
>>74161172
Seek help
>>74160280
Not surprising considering you benefit from all of the shit countries who use the Euro.
If Germany had its own currency it would be valued much more highly and it would be harder to export your goods.
Conversely a Greek currency would be valued much lower than the Euro and the Greeks would be able to attract money to their country.
>>74160864
That's how capitalism works dummy.
"crony capitalism" is capitalism.
The rich and powerful will always snuff out percieved threats to their dominance.
They will always lobby the powers that be to get what they want.
>>74161400
>>74157362
>Because we're slaves by nature
Kys
>>74161052
>but I don't believe the USSR is what he envisioned.
>The road to hell is paved with good intentions
This is theory vs practice thing. His limited mind (well everyone's mind is limited) could not fully understand consequences of the Marxism which corner stone is making private property literary crime against humanity. Theoretical concepts need test runs, experiment. USSR was such test run which outlined full range of consequences of such ideological basis.
>>74161443
Where's the webm where your country loses two world wars?
>>74161443
>get told
>huh duh I'll post my... anime reaction...
>no sorry, my sp epic rebbuttal
>lol, I won
>>74161488
hue
>>74161412
>If Germany had its own currency it would be valued much more highly and it would be harder to export your goods.
We wouldn't have it any other way. There are ways to soften up a currency. Little known fact, the Euro was imposed on us precisely because the D-Mark was too strong for the rest of Europe. The Euro and the EU were two of many means „to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down" as they said. There won't be an America or a Russia for much longer. You all brought this on yourselves.
>>74161488
Haha, good one paulo
>>74161307
I'm not wrong. You just seem eager to debate and show off.
>constructs a strawman on defense
Here's an ad hominem for you, swamp jew piece of shit.
>>74161301
No it isn't. Holy fuck just stop posting.
Socialism is very clearly defined as the public ownership of the means of production.
The smear tactics of capitalists and zionists have become such that we can't even have a discussion about socialism because retards don't even know what it means any more...
>>74161514
I haven't gotten told in the entirety of this thread.
Germany is a thoroughly social democrat country
+Germany is also on top of the world economy
= socialism can work
>surrending your national economic sovereign to supranational interests
>>74161628
>Socialism is very clearly defined as the public ownership of the means of production.
That's Marxism
People wonder why we need capitalists and fat cats in general when all the means to produce shit is right there for the taking.
Why don't you workers do it, then? Oh, that's right, because the poor is stupid.
The poor lacks ideas, that's what makes them fucking poor.
>>74161418
Happens all over m8.
Arguably it's worse in Socialist countries because you can't strike it rich with good investments or by building a big company.
Socialism just replaces the upper class with the political class.
>>74159377
Sandy Kunt is a whiny bitch, one day after elected mayor thinks he's king nigger and believes he can shit talk Trump.
>>74161681
>I haven't gotten told in the entirety of this thread.
Because it isn't true.
>>74161681
>have strong work ethic + fully industrialized nation that has high agreggated good that other nations can't produce
>see socialism can work on every nation
>venezuela isn't real socialism
>>74156447
Socialism is for the insanely selfish. It sells the future generations down the river.
Why do you think baby boomers are hated so much as a generation. Because they got the good end of the socialist stick. Good housing prices and permanent jobs.Now countries who embraced social welfare policies are left with a new generation of people who cannot afford housing and will rent for the most of their lives and who cannot maintain permanent jobs but will instead do contract work for the rest of there lives.
Also you say socialist but they are not really socialist in europe they have big social welfare programs and there is a difference. Just look at Greece and Spain, look at the economy of the countries were a large chunk of the population works for the government. It does not work.
>>74161815
Germany isn't special.
>strong work ethic
I wish. How often have you been here?
>>74161701
It really isn't.
I mean if you're too fucking dumb to even Google these words then I don't see the point in arguing with you any further.
Go back to school. And try to pay attention in class this semester.
>>74161883
It comes as strong work ethic when the rest of the world is lazy as fuck.
don't feel special for winning the retarded olympics.
>>74161832
Can confirm. We call it "mortadela" over here and it encourages people to slack off instead of working.
And policies of wealth distribution are not socialism/communism, it's just a leftist policy.
We don't have Socialism so the point is moot.
>>74161914
Ask any social democrat whether they think the state should own all means of production, and they will tell you "no".
>>74161978
Germans are also lazy as fuck, but our lack of friends and resources left us with an elevated historical need for a practical, no-nonsense, equitable system and we've come pretty close to it.
>>74161989
Any change in your leadership yet?
>>74162126
We can only choose between center right, right and extreme right here.
feels good your only political options is a neoliberal right wing vs a extreme conservative right wing.
>>74156447
>implying that Europe isn't falling
>USSR
>China
>North Korea
>African Communists
Yeah, really works well.
>>74156447
It won't work for long.
>>74162166
>Ask any social democrat whether they think the state should own all means of production, and they will tell you "no".
Of course not because "social democrats" are not socialists you stupid kraut.
>>74162255
>china is falling since 1998
>yup, the next year they will fall
>>74162271
>"social democrats" are not socialists
>>74162271
should also be mentioned that Bernie's democratic socialism is neither socialist or democratic in its nature.
>>74162410
they're not socialists, they just want social equity and those social values that marxists promote without taking over and destroying those evil capitalists.
>>74162410
>socialists advocate public ownership of the means of production
>social democrats advocate free market capitalism
Are you fucking high Hans?
It's time to put down the crack pipe m8.
>>74162172
Yep, we kicked the commie president off four days ago with an impeachment and all her ministers left with her. Brazil is in for a wild ride
>>74162528
>they just want social equity
That's everything socialism implies.
>>74162529
>socialists advocate public ownership of the means of production
Marxists advocate public ownership of the means of production. Democratic socialists or social democrats advocate the means of production to be used for the common good.
Divorce yourselves from right-wing dogma already. They're not any less foolish than Marxism.
>>74162613
nice, well done
>>74162652
except social democrats saw what happened to china and russia and cuba and don't want a totalitarian state.
holy shit, that's entry level politics.
they don't want to destroy the free market.
>>74162759
Again, socialism does not imply a totalitarian state.
>>74157126
Hold kjeft Ahmed.
>>74157126
käften jävla tattare om en blatte kan ta ditt jobb äre du som är värdelös, gå tillbaks till 9gag
It didn't work.
>>74162796
>I can't learn with the past mistakes of others
>>74162796
Ok adolf, I believe you.
>>74156447
By working you mean ruining the continent with immigrants?
ok guys, does China fits the original meaning of communism?
>>74162796
except taking over the means of productions of private owners means a totalitarian state.
socialism implies centralized production and that implies free market is illegal.
>>74162652
And who decides what 'the public good' entails? The business owners? No? They they aren't really the owners.
>>74157215
DELTE THIS
>>74157347
>spain
>bernie-tier
pls explain
>>74163084
Wiping out White people is a major goal of Leftist socialism so overall socialism has been a roaring success in Europe.
>>74162982
It is because of our ability to learn from past mistakes that we can build social equity without absolutist methods.
>>74163124
>except taking over the means of productions of private owners means a totalitarian state.
We don't do that. All we do is make sure that nobody has to end up in the gutter or die just because they lack commercial perspectives. That's the best for everybody.
>>74163243
The public body, i.e. as many people as we can feasibly include in the decision making process.
>>74157451
>state capitalism
>>74163351
>All we do is make sure nobody end up in the gutter or die because they lack commercial perspectives
By taking over the means of productions from private owners... So... Yeah...
You are confusing wealth distribution with socialism.
>>74163351
do you realize that a centralized economy is extremelly ineficient?
do you know about a country called venezuela where the people (the state) can decide what is best for their people?
>>74163124
>socialism implies centralized production
Not necessarily.
You're as ideologically dogged as those Marxists you hate.
>>74163454
>By taking over the means of productions
No. All this can be achieved through educating the people. No rich guy wants to be surrounded by hordes of starving zombies. Social equity is in their best interest as well.
>>74163584
Socialism does not imply a centralized economy, either.
>>74156447
Those northern Nordic countries are all ardent capitalist states with massive social welfare systems. Govt does not control production, it isn't socialist.
This meme of calling them socialist needs to stop.
>>74159415
The PRC is economically the most capitalistic country in the world
>>74163859
then you're a social democrat, not a socialists.
fucking hell, this is high school politics anon.
I don't understand how people don't see obvious flaw with socialism aka communism.
How is Socialism more equal or better for common people when you have clear power structure.
There is always some Big leader in Communism and Socialism why does Socialism need any supreme leaders isnt socialism supposed to be For the people By the people thing...
Why do communist even celebrate those leaders are they so retarded to not see flaw in whole system these big leaders should be working with normal people and have equal pay but in reality they have lavish lifestyles and dont do jack shit.
Because whites are superior
They could make ANYTHING work
>>74157549
>hurr durr I don't know what is socialism
We can do this all day, faggots.
>>74163874
You're brainwashed.
Who is to be believed what socialism entails - the socialists, or the billionaire monsters who would stand to lose a lot of influence in a world permeated with socialist theory?
>>74163993
I still can't understand how socialists/commies are unable to answer basic shit I read on a economics 101 textbook.
>>74164114
sorry, I must have missread the comunists manifesto where they talk about the abolition of private ownership.
I'm sure it was a misstranslation.
>>74163976
Indeed I am. Social democracy saved Germany from getting carved up and allotted to the neighboring countries. But I've been called a socialist too often. I am one of them. Big business, especially the monolithic banks, must be smashed into pieces for the good of all of us.
>>74164153
Socialist faggots believe :Workers own means of production but they don't account to State owns Workers...
>>74163859
Tell me then how you are going to make sure no one starves.
Let me tell you: Capitalism is all about a meritocracy. It gives opportunities to everyone, those people can take up the opportunity and live comfortably. The only ones who starve usually rejected the opportunities they were given or just simply don't want to work. And there are always opportunities to work and at the very least ensure survival, even if it requires heavy work.
>>74164226
I've said it before, Marx is not the inventor of socialism.
>>74164313
>>74164360
then you're the same shit as those FARC and ELN faggots with their commie ideology.
you're the natural enemy of my nation.
>>74164360
>Marx was wrong about socialism, the real definition is this one I made up inside my little head
>socialism works in europe
nope
>>74164482
What worth is your nation if it can't even feed everyone in it?
>>74157423
You're next Cuckmany.
>>74164348
>Tell me then how you are going to make sure no one starves.
By giving them legal means to eat.
Without absolutism. We're clever and strong enough to do that. We're the Germans, not just anyone.
>>74164630
>By giving them legal means to eat.
No shit. I am asking how. What are you going to do? Stop dodging the question.
Keep an eye on sweden the next 10-15 years, during those years we will find out whether socialism truly works.
>>74164682
One method is a social welfare program backed by a market economy that's as strong as an ox. There are no homeless in Germany.
We don't actually have socialism, but I wouldn't expect americans to understand.
>>74164791
>There are no homeless in Germany.
Ahahahahaha get out.
>>74164540
like I said, the left is extremelly unpopular here and has never archieved power in our history.
left here is basically cuba-venezuela-farc-eln-russia faggotry.
pls kys.
>>74164791
That's not socialism and most countries have that, even the US and Brazil. It's a "WEALTH DISTRIBUTION POLICY". Get your shit together Mohammed.
>>74164838
Jeder Erwerbslose in Deutschland bekommt eine staatlich finanzierte Wohnung gestellt. Was stimmt nicht mit dir?
>>74164899
Actually it's called subsistence minimum.
>>74164905
This is an american site, speak american.
Either way, take a walk in the city someday. Look around. You'll see quite a few of them. They're there, the city is just pretty good at keeping them out of sight most of the time.
>>74165000
do you realize not all countries can afford that, right?
>>74165012
Ich muss dazu erwähnen, dass ich in einer der wirtschaftlich erfolgreichsten Regionen Deutschlands lebe. Hier gibt es nicht mal Arbeitslose.
>>74165043
Sure. All countries in Europe could, however.
>>74165000
You can rename it as much as you want, the fact it is not socialism remains unchanged
>>74165121
>Ich muss dazu erwähnen, dass ich in einer der wirtschaftlich erfolgreichsten Regionen Deutschlands lebe.
I'm in Munich. We still have them.
Smaller cities may be relatively free of them, the homeless tend to gather in the large cities.
>>74165121
do you realize that welfare is a waste of money that causes the goverment to grow and reduces your economic growth, right?
also it makes your civilian population into lazy niggers, right?
>>74163448
It's the hallmark of Trotskyites.
When a socialist state is doing well, it's socialist.
When it goes awry, it's state capitalist.
>>74165254
Welfare spending doesn't just disappear. It may not have peak economic efficiency, but the social impact offsets that, by preventing social unrest. It's money well spent on the foundation of the economy - society.
>also it makes your civilian population into lazy niggers, right?
We have two kinds of welfare. One for the short term, when you transition between jobs, which lasts a year at most. You also only get it after having worked a year for it.
The other is way lower, and it's a shitty way to live. It doesn't make you lazy, it's given to those we have already given up on, and those who were lazy to begin with, to shut them up.
>>74165182
You don't get to make up your own definitions of words.
>>74165183
München ist ärmlich im Vergleich zu meiner Heimat.
>>74165254
Bullshit.
>>74165416
You are the one making up your own definition of the word "socialism" and you are literally dismissing Karl Marx because "he did not invent it" (as if socialism is a brand owned by its creator)
>>74165416
>München ist ärmlich im Vergleich zu meiner Heimat.
In other words, you're living in a small community leeching off the cities. And then you claim we don't have homeless because you've never actually taken a look at what the country looks like.
>>74165397
read a fucking economy book nigger.
It makes your state to grown and reduces your economic growth.
It actually keep people in the cycle of poverty rather than your country having enough economic growth to sustain good jobs and take them out of poverty.
fucking hell, read a high school economic book.
>>74165458
>you are literally dismissing Karl Marx
Why wouldn't I? His theories ended in failure.
>>74165475
In meiner Stadt gibt es über 600 Medizintechnik-Unternehmen, die allein 50% des Weltmarkts chirurgischer Instrumente decken. Ein ewiges Wirtschaftswunder. Wir sind ökonomisch völlig unverwundbar.
>>74165508
>It makes your state to grown and reduces your economic growth.
Yes, I've addressed this. The stabilizing impact on society, something that economists can't really work with, offsets this lowered growth.
>It actually keep people in the cycle of poverty
m8, by the time you're on the shit tier of welfare, you're already balls deep in the cycle. Those people aren't going to get out by losing their home because they can't make rent.
It's not like a lack of welfare would start such a massive boom that everyone suddenly can have a job. That's delusional.
>>74156447
multiple nations being kept on economic life support by a central bank and the imf through multiple waves of bailouts
oh yea sure its working verry well for them i cant possible see how this will doom all EU nations to a cruel pathetic death at the hands of debt they will never be able to pay off and are not allowed to default on
>>74165639
His theories ended in failure because socialism is a failure. And you can't simply dismiss him and say "g-guys marx was wrong, the real socialism consists of WEALTH DISTRIBUTION (something capitalist countries have been doing since decades) and it works haha"
>>74158039
>They both aren't shit.
At least most of us Americans know the fix is in. Europeans cream themselves over their socialist ideas.
>>74165639
In other words, you notice your city isn't the normal case, and then proceed to assume your city as the normal case for your claims.
The homeless exist. Look a bit past the borders of your city sometimes.
MULTITRACK SHITPOSTING
>>74165733
The real socialism consists of a strong market economy and the refusal to let anyone live below the subsistence minimum.
If you have a strong market economy, there's no reason not to add a little socialism to it.
There's no benefit in letting people rot away in the gutters.
>>74157373
>as long as europe had america taking risks
Nigga what the fuck you on about you dumbass commie? My country built itself to a first-class economy and democratic nation all on it's own with zero american, british or anyone's economical backing.
We owe our success to fucking no-one but ourselves
>>74165908
>The real socialism
There, he said it.
>>74165656
except welfare keeps people in poverty and reduces their chance to leave poverty.
read a book nigger.
also it encourages something in the usa called nigger culture.
also it encourages people to be lazy niggers if welfare is more profitable than being a worker.
nigger read a book.
>>74165802
Every community could be as amazing as mine if they tried harder.
>Europe
>Socialism
You mean Sweden? Because that's a Capitalist country with a Capitalist welfare state made by keynesian economics.
They have a social economy and a big social democratic party, not Socialist.
If you mean Venezuela, theyre not Socialist but hey have one of the worst economies in the world living solely of oil production.
Denmark isnt Socialist either, It's true that Denmark has a tax-financed health care service, but not muh Socialist 'free' health care as misinformed Socialists wrongfully call it. They also have a 57% income tax and a 25% sales tax for that 'free' care as well.
There's only a bunch of countries that are Communist in name only that switched to a more social capitalist form.
But you pinkos are right, Socialism in its purest form has never been accomplished, because its impossible to create.
You can skip a step and force full communism like the AnComs but it doesnt work either.
Thats why most of your buddies are social democrats nowadays.
We have the tools to see what works and what doesnt nowadays and when used by Communjsts they'll ways come to the conclusion that it doesn't work.
>>74165676
You have bigger debt than whole EU together....
Watcha gonna say now, nigger?
>>74165935
Germany is doing one hell of a lot better than Columbia, why should he take your advice instead of vice versa?
>>74165935
m8, "read a book" isn't a good way to support your claims.
Please explain me how losing your home and having to beg for scraps because there aren't enough jobs for everyone is better for leaving poverty than having a home and the secured time for job hunting?
Are you aware that no employer will even consider you if you're homeless?
>also it encourages people to be lazy niggers if welfare is more profitable than being a worker.
It's not.
>>74165989
>keynesian economics
>hey guise let's offset our debt with credit and die before we have to pay off
>>74165994
The US has internal debt which is irrelevant
The EU on the other hand...
>>74165924
>Finland
>Success
Kek
>>74166148
>The US has internal debt which is irrelevant
Nice meme.
