>referred to as global warming for 30+ years
>starts getting cold as shit
>suddenly it's called climate change instead
>>74143682
>Climate now begins to settle down and stop changing
>They now call it long term change
It's funny because the climate is and has always been changing. So now they're back to the "default" position.
I'm convinced it's all a plot to justify the fact that America somehow ruined the planet with its chemtrails bullshit and their trying to find a justification for it.
>>74143752
I don't deny that we're probably fucking the environment up, but the amount that people lie and exaggerate about global warming is fucking ridiculous.
The UN released a statement in the late 80s predicting NYC would be underwater by now.
>>74143682
Whatever it is, it's white peoples fault, and an ominous international taxing agency will been needed to "fix" it. You can count on that.
>>74143908
>>Whatever it is, it's white peoples fault,
ironically it's not
china is by far the world's biggest polluter and there's nothing we can do about it besides do what Trump suggested(restrict trade with them until they abide by higher environmental standards)
driving a prius and drinking your toilet water isn't gonna do shit
>>74143682
ecoism beats nationalism/patriotism on all levels
>it doesn't matter what your nationality is, we are all on this earth together and to work as one people to protect it
If we as species were to demand global eco laws to protect us from this 'threat', who would have the authority to enforce the new laws?
It would take a one world govt(NWO) to make that dream a reality.
So the MSM pushes the ecoism meme and the idiot masses end up begging for the NWO to protect them.
It's genius is you stop and think about it.
>>74143833
what humanity is destroying is the soils and the rivers, the seas and the biodiversity, the only impact on climate we have is not industrial but is by cloud seeding justified by bullshit climate pseudo-science.
>>74144006
>china is by far the world's biggest polluter
Whose fault ?
Also that's counting coal, which was widely used in the west, and still is, before nuclear.
Germany reverted back to coal after fukushima.
>>74144148
>Germany reverted back to coal after fukushima.
because germany is ran by retards
greenpeace has done more damage to the environment than any other organization
I hope france sinks more of their ships
>>74144218
Don't worry senpai, our greens and socialists are making sure we get out of nuclear as well
>>74143682
>Global Warming doesn't exist because its cold outside today
That assertion is the reason they changed it, because idiots don't understand the concept of average temperature.
>>74144148
>China is the white man's fault
>look at flag
Of course
>>74144309
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=SJ&s_site=mercurynews&p_multi=SJ&p_theme=realcities&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EB7304FF9A84273&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM
>w-w-we're right this time
>we promise
eat a dick
>called global warming because global climate temperatures were trending upwards
>some regions have colder winters as climate shifts
>"it's not warming it's getting colder morans! It's all shilling!"
>scientific community changes the name for it to better help people who can't grasp what global warming means as a trend
>muh backpedaling
This literally happens because people are idiots and don't bother to read into whatever is russling them.
>>74144349
The most polluting factories in China are either western or producing for the west, your solar panels, wind mills, smartphones and other shit have a larger environmental imprint than anything else they could make.
ya next it'll be """"""""""'" ocean acidification """""""""" lol fucking stupid atheists
explain the ice age
>>74144398
retards like you will defend the fact that 95% of the climate models were wildly inaccurate
>>74144480
>the west forced the chinese at gun point to build and run these factories
really?
>>74144398
did you read the IPCC's reports ?
All their projections are crapshoots that basically say we don't know what we're doing so we averaged everything 'cause everyone likes baseless graphics.
They even several times admited it.
>>74144309
Good morning ledit.
Reminder coal is for the goy
>soviets can't even build tractors by 1986
>look at chernobyl as argument against nuclear energy even though chernobyl was held together with tape and string
>fukushima
>old ageing plant with outdated tech
>cant build new plants because of backlash
>>74143682
Don't think to hard just take their word for it and keep giving them money, that will surely do something right?
>>74144480
Why don't you fuck off back to r/whiteguilt you stupid stick of fuck? Actually Sweden tier.
>>74143833
It's been going on longer than you think
see: Malthusian catastrophe, the population bomb
It's part of the broader meme of capitalism that there are always going to be some psuedo-intellectuals who are able to climb the ladder of academia or the public sector, but don't understand capitalism or common sense, and these people are always going to cling to the idea that capitalism is a generation away from killing us.
Fortunately by that generation the deadline will be pushed back to the generation after that
>>74144564
>if you didn't force someone to do something you are not responsible
>>74143682
>Let's tax the air!
>>74143682
When you have fever, do you also get chills?
Right.
Now kill yourself.
>>74143682
A man named Frank Luntz and his company Luntz Global are behind this. He is a jew of course.
it's an economy
>universities make money from environmentalist studies and activism
>banks make money because kids take out loans to pay unis
>kids graduate and go into 'green' jobs
>their entire existence depends on climate change being humans' fault, so they spend their lives trying to convince everyone
>green energy startups
>hippies
>SJWs who argue that climate change is racist
>all trying to make a lie real so that the government keeps giving them funds
>g-g-gee I bet nobody is profiting off of buying all brand new expensive GREEN™ "GOOD FOR THE EARTH" products to replace products that work
>a-a-and I sure bet nobody is profiting off of buying billions of dollars worth of solar panels and windmills
>or the fact that if we cut solar subsidies by 99% in USA they'd still be above nuclear subsidies per kwh
People who buy into this are fucking idiots because they're taking you for a ride.
>>74144690
you're more triggered than an actual SJW, gotta love it.
>he doesnt believe that co2 traps heat
>but he probably believes that a magic cosmic jew is coming back to judge us all
Murica
>>74143682
Huehue
April was the warmest month on record according to NASA.
>>74144716
That is pretty much how reality works.
If I call you a faggotfrog and you an hero tonight, am I responsible?
>>74144716
...yes?
>>74143908
>international
Not quite that, but Bernie is proposing Carbon Tax as part of his "Struggle to Pay for All That Free Shit I Promised" tax plan, also known as the "Laffer Curve is a Lie" plan, or "Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act Went Great!" plan, or "My Supporters Joking About Moving to Canada if I Don't Win Doesn't Mean that the Rich Will Move There if I Do" plan.
remember, nuclear power is BAD! It explodes like a bomb!
Now buy my hugely inefficient solar panels made from toxic plastics that put more co2 into the environment than just burning coal.
Not an argument.
Not EVERY place is going to be warming all the time but the overall trend is warming worldwide. Climate change as a term was supposed to make it easier for dolts like OP.
>>74143682
>referred to as global warming for 30+ years
Except it wasn't.
In the late 60s and early 70s liberals were terrified of a new man-made Ice Age causing niggers to starve to death.
At that point, the wirld had been getting cooler "for decades!!!!111!!!!"
Turns out, niggers are too stupid to grow food no matter what the temperature.
>>74144879
So why are >95% of their models inaccurate?
>>74144761
Don't you worry about my trigger you French sack of cum
I'm like a gun in the hands of a French soldier-untriggerable
You're going to be south Africa 2.0
>people actually still deny climate change
Maybe when LA and NYC are completely submerged by the ocean these retards will begin to accept reality.
>>74144760
>>74144758
This is actually the lamest of all arguments.
Courtesy of a fucking leaf.
>>74144879
>Easier to believe the lies so they'll shut up and pay us already.
![ar1_12000YearsBeforeNow[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/OYNcgCU.png "ar1_12000YearsBeforeNow[1].png")
>>74144309
>idiots don't understand the concept of average temperature.
you mean like this?
>>74144914
We're denying the ridiculous exaggeration you idiot.
Do you deny that >95% climate models are inaccurate?
Do you think, maybe, just maybe, someone is profiting off of this?
>>74144928
They're like that autistic kid who follows the group around and can't figure out why we all hate them
>>74144928
> Lefties tricking normies into shitty degrees and becoming career public service isn't a real thing
Ah, to be young
brainwashed cucks WILL DEFEND THIS
>>74144914
I'm perfectly happy to let it reach that point before I believe it.
>>74144779
>he doesn't know that CO2 stimulates plant growth
>he doesn't realize that the increase in temperatures is due to concrete trapping heat at ground level on massive scales
>>74144811
>crooks in America take advantage of social/industrial situation in another country for profit
>people in America lose their job
>environment in the other country takes a hit
>American crooks are not responsible for what their factory produces or the social impact in their own country
China is literally the AnCap dream of Libertarians, they can completely disregard norms and safety, make big bucks, and say they're not responsible because it happens on the other side of the world.
>>74144928
it's true and it's the same reason SJW professions exist even though they literally contribute nothing. are you posting from the cuckshed cus the emu bull came to visit?
>>74144914
sea level decreased over the past 20 years not increased. florida by this point should be smaller but is not
>>74145028
The observations don't even go up to 2020 what a shit graph
Al Gores mansion
>$30,000 utility bill
>>74144928
He's right
>>74143682
Okay try to get some insurance on a piece of beach front property, see how much that costs you
>>74144779
explain this then. was it all those caveman factories and coal plants that made all that CO2 thousands of years ago?
>>74145043
China govt had the right to say 'no' to the americans.
They made their choice though, and now they get to suffer the consequences of that choice.
To say the chinese have zero liability for what happens in THEIR country is absurd.
Now you need to kys faggotfrog.
>>74145100
bernie sanders took a jet to the Vatican to do a 20 minute speech on climate change then took another jet back to NYC.
All in a 24 hour period.
surprise:
these people profiting off of climate change don't give a fuck about solving the issue
>>74144758
/thread
>>74144716
... yes... ?
>the world is getting warmer because of too many people!!!!!
>send more money and food to Africa because they need more people!!!!!!!
Even male liberals use chick logic.
>>74145152
I didn't say they have no liability, I said that the west is responsible, not exclusively, but at least partially.
The industrial revolution was a mistake and forcibly exporting it is literally killing the planet, but eh, who cares, I can make money in my lifetime and won't be alive when lakes and rivers become toxic.
>>74144758
The best part is that Bill "THIS PLANET WILL DIE" Nye BTFO his own field while trying to insult his opponents.
>"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"
>>74145100
What a dump.
>>74145282
>I said that the west is responsible
No, moron.
The chinese govt is responsible. They could have told the americans to fuck off, but they didn't did they?
They chose this. It's their responsiblity. The west has nothing to do with it.
If chinas govt had decided to do this on their own, without the west recieving any good or service from china, would it still be the west's fault.
Nope.
And it still isn't.
>>74145282
>literally killing the planet
>>74143752
>>74143757
>>74143802
>>74143833
>>74143908
>>74144006
>>74144031
>>74144037
>>74144218
>>74144309
>>74144349
>>74144398
>>74143682
OK LISTEN UP THREAD FAGGOT! HERE IS THE RED PILL ON GLOBAL WARMING vs CLIMATE CHANGE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Luntz#Global_warming
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2003/mar/04/usnews.climatechange
It was literally changed by a George Bush speech writer. He changed it because climate change sounds less scary than global warming.
>>74145152
I am dying to know how we hold third worlders accountable for anything, let alone the industrial progress which we had been telling them to want (prior to this craze).
Daily reminder that climate change and transexual bathroom policies are non-news stories that globalists use to distract the populace from the real issues (mass immigration and destruction of native populations).
>>74143682
it was 6°C (43°F for burgerino's) this morning, i mean, come on, it's 16th of May!
but i guess the best way to prevent climate from changing is to tax the people, amirite?
>>74145507
>which we had been telling them to want
Did they have to listen to us?
They had a choice to make.
They are responsible for the consequences of their choices.
No one else is responsible, just them.
>>74145566
>but i guess the best way to prevent climate from changing is to tax the people, amirite?
yes
and use the taxes to buy my super efficient solar panels that barely work
reminder that germany has 25% of the world's solar panels and they make up <6% of their total energy production
>>74145493
*killing the planet as a provider of untainted natural resources for mankind
The regions with cancer prevalence in France are the rural ones because the soils are massively polluted by decades of chemical fertilizers and insecticide use.
>>74143682
When ice melts it turns into cold water
>Cold water
>Cold weather
>>74145635
Frog you are right.
You should stop eating the food grown in regions that use chemical fertilizers and insecticides, and instead you should plant your own crops and raise your own livestock so you can make sure no poisons end up in the ground.
That'll teach them.
>>74145147
Are you honestly suggesting the aliens didn't produce massive amounts of co2 while making us rapebabies?
>>74145615
I love how Croatian taxpayers are taxed so we can subside buying, not producing, but buying imported solar panels (which aren't effective in the first place). Literal retards, the law making people of this country.
But it seems to me that this subject is debated more and more everyday.
>>74145635
>The regions with cancer prevalence in France are all of them because the French became the biggest cunts to ever walk or crawl the Earth over the last hundred years
I know, Pierre. Let it all out.
>all these climate change deniers
/pol/ confirmed dumbest board.
>>74145771
I can't grow shit because I have a government that even controls what goes on on my property.
They even wanted to outlaw firewood last year, all the while legalizing GMO in secret.
>>74145615
> they make up <6% of their total energy production
WRONG
http://www.sciencealert.com/last-sunday-95-percent-of-germany-s-energy-was-provided-by-renewables
http://www.geek.com/news/germany-produced-so-much-renewable-energy-it-paid-people-to-use-it-1654913/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3584461/Germany-PAYS-people-use-electricity-Excess-energy-created-wind-solar-power-meant-consumers-profit-prices-driven-low-went-NEGATIVE.html
>>74145920
>deniers
Call the Inquisition, there are Heretics afoot!
>>74143682
>>74145920
>questioning the science behind something is now denial
BLINDLY BELIEVE OR ELSE
>>74145955
meanwhile every winter we sell them our Nuclear Electricity surplus
>>74145970
Negros and communists are animists by nature. They believe everything has a spirit. They believe things "just happen". They have no understanding of the toil and sacrifice it takes to build a modern civilization. That's why headlines written by liberals always read "child killed by a gun" instead of "child killed by a negro".
>>74145955
>doesn't know the difference between 'renewables' and 'solar'
retard
>>74144971
Learn to read a graph, that says temperature change, not temperature you fucking retard. That graph doesn't even have current statistics.
>>74144365
Congrats, a scientist in 1989 over-estimated global warming's effects.
>>74143682
pretty soon we'll be back to:
>Today sky make big thunder boom
>We must pay priest 25,000 shekel to calm god
>>74146180
>I mean, it's 2016.
>how can ANYONE argue with facts like that?
>>74146277
>h-h-he's just a scientist bro!
>official statement of united nations
>>74146052
>He thinks a 4 year old graph without a source is relevant.
Here, from the first article
>Energy consumption in Germany at the time came in at 57.8 gigawatts - solar power met 45.2 percent of that total, wind power 36 percent, biomass power 8.9 percent, and hydropower plants 4.8 percent.
In case you missed it
> solar power met 45.2 percent of that total
> 45.2 percent
You said less than 6. You fucking idiot.
>>74146277
well it seems we solved both the greenhouse effect and the hole in the ozone layer since then
>>74145928
Sounds like it's time for a revolution.
Maybe that should be your priority over trying to get that govt to change it's eco laws.
It seems like the ecoism is a distraction from the real issue.
>>74146353
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-climate-germany-solar-idUSBRE84P0FI20120526
>Germany has nearly as much installed solar power generation capacity as the rest of the world combined and gets about four percent of its overall annual electricity needs from the sun alone.
>four
>percent
>FOUR PERCENT
>>74146384
well the problem here is that ecology was hijacked by the left for profit, last year the FN in the EU parliament tried to pass a bill to outlaw some dangerous chemicals but the greens of all of Europe voted against because it was presented by the far right.
So yeah "democracy" fucks everything up but at the same time most people are too apathetic or brainwashed by entertainment that nothing will happen, ever, unless we stop the gibsmedat and cause a negrocalypse.
>>74146482
>Article from 2012
I gave you 3 articles from this week. Solar uptake and efficiency is increasing exponentially.
>>74146542
>"democracy"
I like how you put that in quotes. The EU isn't democracy in my opinion.
>>74146720
>>>Article from 2012
because official German reports are 3 years behind you fucking idiot
>>74146542
Did they try to outlaw your magical chemtrails >>74143802
Seriosuly, I've been having a go at the American, but you're the biggest crackpot in the thread.
>>74146782
>cloud seeding is not real
And by the way no, they tried to outlaw some Monsanto shit.
>>74146755
>The EU isn't democracy in my opinion.
it's as much of a democracy as anything currently in the west except Switzerland, which is not saying much
I sure do hate working for the MAN 9-5 every day.
If only I knew who this guy is who gave me this job.
Oh well, time to get some Mexican pussy in my car and house I got loans for!
Glad I got this degree in Biology so I could work as a datatechsalesman, I'll pay off a million some day
>>74146720
https://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/de/downloads/pdf-files/data-nivc-/stromproduktion-aus-solar-und-windenergie-2014.pdf
>>74146482
>>FOUR PERCENT
Solar power is great.
I own an ISP in the Western Rockies.
My main relay is on a mountaintop.
No signs of civilization for miles.
It runs entirely on solar.
I have two radios and a switch there.
The radios eat 6-7 W/hr each. The switch eats 5.
Total of 17-19 W/hr.
To keep this working year round, I use 4 100W solar panels and 8 110 Ah batteries. The best solar panels I could buy cost about $350/100 W. The best batteries cost $250/110Ah capacity.
Total cost: $3400 (before wiring, secure weatherproof storage, and redundancy).
$3400 to run the equivalent of a nightlight's power consumption (17-19W).
Solar is fantastic. The cost for a land line drop there was over $75,000 not including monthly access charge.
Solar has come a long way, but it's still about 15% efficient. It's a looooong way from saving the world.
>>74146720
I know I should just dismiss you because of your flag and the deliberate misrepresentation of instantaneous power generation being the same as average generation, but I'll give you a few questions to see if you've really thought about solar/wind:
What do you do with surplus power on a large scale? Do you believe that paying neighboring countries/ other producers to use your power is a long term/ profitable solution?
Do you believe that solar/wind can replace nuclear and coal baseload facilities? If so, how? If not then what generation niche do solar and wind meet?
Does the price of electricity matter? Or rather, would doubling or tripling the price be worth it if it meant there was less/little reliance on coal plants?
If your position on solar/wind comes from an environmentalist standpoint, what do you suggest as alternatives for oil products in fuel and plastic production?
>>74143682
>yet the ice caps are still melting and sea levels are rising
>thinking about a global system but only looking at localised evidence
You fucks really are this dumb. /pol/ is wrong here
>>74147580
what should the temperature of the planet be them oh great one
>>74147580
>>yet the ice caps are still melting and sea levels are rising
that's wrong though, and even if they were, it happened before.
>>74147580
please buy my energy efficient solar panels, friend :^)
they are very good
>>74144554
Gee, the fact that they're called 'models' might have something to do with that, sport.
>>74147873
they're as much of a model as letting a toddler doodle on a piece of paper is
>>74143682
Where exactly has it been getting "cold as shit?" I would like to go to this place that is "cold as shit." Maybe my state's snow wouldn't have all been gone last year if it had gotten "cold as shit." Maybe it it was "cold as shit," we'd have water here.
Go fuck yourself.
t. Commiefornian
>>74147873
read the IPCC reports for fuck sake, they have never, ever been able to obtain the same results from the same experience under the same controlled conditions twice, it's just random shit with no scientific credibility.
>>74144277
Why the fuck would greens and socialists be against Nuclear energy? Its far and away the greenest energy source available that can handle the demand of an industrialized nation. Do they think we should just stop producing energy altogether?
>>74147580
>the ice caps are still melting and sea levels are rising
The Holocene is an interstadial period.
For all the Aussies here, that means "a warm period in the middle of an Ice Age".
>it rained last summer, the world is gonna end!!!11!!
No, faggot. The Earth has been warming for the last 12,000 years. That happens during an interstadial. That's the fucking definition of an interstadial.
>Summer is hot!!!!!!
Yes. Good bogan.
>we're either gonna freeze to death or drown!!!
Only the stupid ones.
Evolution is a cruel mistress.
>>74148032
retards that are easily spooked by fearmongering got fearmongered by greenpeace
more at 11
>>74143682
>Evidence changes
>Theory is adjusted
I know it's hard for you burgers with your mayo encrusted brains to understand this, but that's called the scientific method.
>>74148032
>Why the fuck would greens and socialists be against Nuclear energy?
beats me
>Do they think we should just stop producing energy altogether?
I have no idea, but for reference, Germany, since fukushima, reverted back to coal under the pressure of greenish people, and thanks to them when the wind blows from the east the whole north of France has unbreathable air, but eh, at least it's not nucular.
>>74148096
and yet the solution is still the same:
THROW MORE MONEY AT IT!
fucking idiot
>>74143682
Climate change was pushed by the other side of the spectrum. In early 2000s back then they were denying it was getting warming all together and was stating "it was fluctuating"
Now everyone accepts it, even they are forced to. Now they are trying to push human dinduism
>>74148096
>bullshit statistics, bullshit projections, bullshit everything proven to be bullshit
>change rhetoric and pretend you never talked about hole in the ozone or global cooling, then warming
>that flag
>>74143682
Global warming turned into global cooling when pic related came out. Hollywood proved to us goyim that every tornado and monsoon was because of 'climate change'
I don't get it, is man-made climate change happening or not?
>>74148246
no but there is big money involved in acting as suck and making brainwashed people believe it does
>>74148125
>0.25$ have been donated to your BigOil account
>>74148183
Literally everything in this post is made up. Land ice is consistently and verifyably becoming smaller, contributing to a consistent and verifyable rise in sea level over the last 100 years.
>>74148032
Because:
>It doesn't give money to Muslims
>It's effectively self regulated and doesn't require their "intervention"
>You can't see it. Left wingers rely solely on visuals.
>It's mind warpingly complicated and they get annihilated if they get into debates
>It can only be used by a few select countries
They are against fracking for similar reasons
>>74148246
it's happening but not on a scale they pretend it is
we've been "doomed" for decades yet we're still fine.
>>74148323
>€0.05 has been deposited into your GreenEnergy™ account
>>74148400
Green energy isn't even within 0.001% of big oil in terms of what kind of money is at stake here.
If you seriously argue with the "THE RICH DON'T WANT THIS TO GO AWAY" standpoint, one look at the numbers will reveal to you who is pulling the strings here.
Hint: It's called a Petrodollar for a reason.
>>74148323
>Land ice is consistently and verifyably becoming smaller
you can google it and be proven wrong and also google Doggerland
>>74148323
>Climate people didn't predict ice to increase in the Antarctic
>Climate people tell us worry about climate change
>Muh models
>Muh ice
>>74147992
>Where exactly has it been getting "cold as shit?" I would like to go to this place that is "cold as shit."
/pol/fag here.
I live in the Western Rockies, above 9,000ft.
We have a 5' base here right now. 39' of total snowfall for the winter.
The trees will start to leaf out in 3-4 weeks. I'm guessing we have one more big storm to come this season.
Average snowfall here is 35'. We're well above average this year. We were last year as well. Good thing, because we were below average in 2013 (32') and 2014 (34').
It all balances out.
>>74148468
>>Hint: It's called a Petrodollar for a reason.
because retards like you keep using that word?
If we cut solar subsidies by 99% in USA it would still be above nuclear subsidies per kwh you retard.
keep believing everything mein fuhrer merkel tells you, don't forget to go prep jamal and tyrone
>>74148323
I distinctly remember being told that Lech, Ischgl and so on would be completely melted by 2015, when I was at school in the 90s.
Instead we had snow at the end of April and the roads remain closed until early mid May at higher altitudes. Our glaciers have not melted.
Conveniently this isn't reported on for some reason.
>>74148002
Of course they are, professor.
>>74147919
That might have something to do with the amount of variability that exists in trying to quantify atmospheric metrics. Regardless, there is still an indisputable upward in both CO2 and Temperature over a long time interval.
>>74143682
>starts getting cold as shit
what? global temperatures are still rising. Just cos it's slightly cooler than normal in Baddidilyboing Odawidaho doesn't mean it's cold as shit
>>74148246
Yes
>>74148556
How will we achieve the balance between good and evil?
>>74148105
I think Europe is still scared because of Chernobyl and Fukushima cast a giant shadow of doubt on modern systems.
>>74148361
Isn't fracking horrible for the environment or is Gasland considered meme-tier?
Liberals are deluded into thinking renewables can actual power a first world nation without any thought to scale-ability or energy density.
>>74148552
Land ice juan, LAND ICE.
Paco, please put on your reading aid.
Sea ice by definition doesn't raise or lower the sea level, BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY IN THE OCEAN
>>74148566
Nuclear doesn't need any subsidies, it's already an established and successful concept and it works.
>>74148690
>it's already an established and successful concept and it works.
so lets scrap something that works to go use something that doesn't work
BRILLIANT
Climate is changing, and anybody older than you retarded edgy teenagers has been able to observe it personally.
>>74148677
>I think Europe is still scared because of Chernobyl and Fukushima cast a giant shadow of doubt on modern systems.
But France never had a single nuclear accident, ever, and we have no risk of earthquake, even tornadoes are freak incidents here.
The only nuclear accident we ever had was superphenix
>Against a background of ongoing protest and low-level sabotage, on the night of January 18, 1982 an RPG-7 rocket-propelled grenade attack was launched against the unfinished plant. Five rockets were fired across the Rhône at the incomplete containment building. Two rockets hit and caused minor damage to the reinforced concrete outer shell, missing the reactor's empty core. Initially there were no claims of responsibility.[6]
>On May 8, 2003, Chaïm Nissim, who in 1985 was elected to the Geneva cantonal government for the Swiss Green Party, eventually admitted carrying out the attack. He claimed that the weapons were obtained from Carlos the Jackal via the Belgian terrorist organisation Cellules Communistes Combattantes (Communist Combatant Cells).[7]
>>74148096
>the scientific method
Doesn't involve Deniers and Heretics and witch hunts.
That's religion you're thinking of.
Religion needs Deniers and Heretics and Un-Believers.
Global Warming is a religion.
> What else floats?
Small Rocks? Gravy?
>>74145304
Also Bill only has a bachelors in engineering. He's a science guy not a scientist.
>>74148723
You can't cover the country in nuclear plants. There are only very specific places where they can be.
Unless you're a genuius like the Japs who put them on a fucking fault line.
They need to be far away for statistical security from: Tornados, Floods, Earthquakes, Tsunamis, Hurricanes and half a dozen other natural phenomena that can fuck them up.
Ontop of that, they need to be close to where they are delivering power to, because powerline resistance means every mile you add to the network away from a source is penalized heavily.
This means that the future of power generation is decentral. Ideally every town generates their own power, every household even.
This is why solar energy is subsidized and nuclear energy isn't. It's space efficient and locally independent.
>>74148835
k
climate change has become a religion
keep rewriting history until you're correct
>>74148677
Fracking was never proposed here but there were huge "demonstrations" against it. Strangely enough, all the fracking was to be done in the most beautiful part of Austria.
A short online campaign costing next to nothing ensured that something would never happen, by pretending it was about to happen.
>>74148660
Through kek's (DBUH) guidance.
>>74148239
>Global warming turned into global cooling when pic related came out.
No. Global Cooling turned into Global Warming in the 70s. It just took another 20 years to finish the movie.
>>74148690
I though ice was less dense thsn waer
>>74148856
>Doesn't involve Deniers and Heretics and witch hunts.
Confirmed for never being inside any sort of academic environment. Skepticism is welcome, but you better be able to make a solid argument against. Protip: you can't, cunt.
>>74148922
>They need to be far away for statistical security from: Tornados, Floods, Earthquakes, Tsunamis, Hurricanes and half a dozen other natural phenomena that can fuck them up.
Good thing we have none of those here and when we do they are weak as hell.
>Ontop of that, they need to be close to where they are delivering power to, because powerline resistance means every mile you add to the network away from a source is penalized heavily.
Isn't it already the case where central produces for their sector and surplus energy is the only one to travel ?
>>74148993
>Protip: you can't, cunt.
>>74145920
You even have "sj" in your ID faggot.
It's less dense by exactly as much as it sticks out at the top of the water.
If it melts down, it results in a net zero increase or decrease of sea levels.
Land ice on the other hand isn't in the ocean yet and does contribute to a raise in sea level and has CONSISTENTLY been going down year after year since we started pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere.
>>74143682
>some guy has scientific theory
>other guys collect data for 30 years
>decide it wasnt completely accurate and change name
>>74143682
April broke global temperature record
2016 to be hottest year on record
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/may/16/april-third-month-in-row-to-break-global-temperature-records
>>74149133
and yet the solution is still the same:
throw more money at it
and if you dare question them repeatedly being wrong you are part of their witch hunt now
>>74149021
France, I'm talking to a burger, of course you can supply a majority of the power in the small yurop countries with a few key nuclear plants, but the US is HUGE, it doesn't work that way in the US. You can't stick a plant down for a single town of 500 in buttfuck nowhere.
He saying solar power shouldn't be subsidized, I told him why it is. The government wants to shift more energy production near the population that consumes then in a low cost fashion.
A coal plant that supplies 10,000 homes is bound to be less efficient than 10 solar towars supplying 1000 homes each. Simply because of geographic proximity and losing charge over the distance. The closer energy production is to the receiver, the better.
>>74149058
was meant for >>74149021
>>74149184
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Ni%C3%B1o
>>74149200
actually, it was meant for >>74148990
>>74148599
>That might have something to do with the amount of variability that exists in trying to quantify atmospheric metrics.
Wrong, it's a settled science. Tehre is to be NO disagreement about this, DENIER.
if you cucks want to continue defending climate change you have to defend scientists altering the data for political reasons
>>74148323
>Land ice is consistently and verifyably becoming smaller
>>74143682
So tell me how the largest and most powerful industry on the planet can't fund independent research to irrefutably disprove climate change
>>74149312
because they benefit from it, like with the myth of peak oil, you can bet your ass the day "green" energies become more profitable they will come out with a new revolutionary shit
>>74149202
>The current blast of hot air around the globe is being spurred by a massive El Niño, which is a release of warm water across the Pacific Ocean. But it’s not the biggest El Niño on record and that spike in temperatures is occurring over a background of rapid global warming, pushing temperatures to all-time highs.
You should have read the article
>>74148993
>Skepticism is welcome
kek
>>74149271
>i-i-if we just nudge the data a little...
>there we go, it fits our bias!
>>74149312
>prove a negative
This is how you know you have nothing to defend your zealous dogma.
>>74149281
What is "over time"
Next
>>74148856
Does gravy float?
>>74149243
>it's a settled science
Science is never "settled".
Science is a process, not a belief.
Dogma is religious territory, not scientific.
>Heretic! Denier!! Un-Believer!!!
That's me.
This is Ivar Giaever. Nobel laureate, Oliver E. Buckley Prize by the American Physical Society in 1965, and the Zworykin Award by the National Academy of Engineering in 1974. Ph.D. in physics.
In 2011 he resigned from the American Physical Society stating
>In the APS it is ok to discuss whether the mass of the proton changes over time and how a multi-universe behaves, but the evidence of global warming is incontrovertible?
As part of the 62nd Lindau Nobel Laureate Meeting, Giaever referred to agreement with the evidence of climate change as a "religion"
>>74148977
>>74149023
This.
Its just scam artists taking whatever trend in the weather and making it out to be an "existential threat" for personal gain.
>>74149023
Alright fuck face.
You've given me a news article that is pointing out only what I can assume is a decrease from ~1940 to 1960. A decrease which has been documented in every other graph of annual mean temperature. The problem is, climate change isn't measured over 5, 10, 20 years. Notice from 1880 to 1940 it's an obvious increase?
If you cared to actually cite a source which showed the annual mean temperature up until today you would see that the pattern of increasing temperature continues to go up. We're well aware of of variability, thats why you do it over a long time scale.
>>74149437
Not an argument.
This is Harrison Schmitt. Geologist and Apollo 17 astronaut.
He resigned his membership in the Planetary Society because of its stance on the subject, writing in his resignation letter that the "global warming scare is being used as a political tool to increase government control over American lives, incomes and decision-making."
>>74149605
>Does gravy float?
Are you denying that gravy floats?
Are you a Denier?
The only reason gravy doesn't float is because it's frozen. Which it can't be because Global Warming. Found the Heretic!!!!!!
leftist version of apocalyptic doomsaying to galvanize the base, like the right does with evangelists
>>74149743
>We're well aware of of variability, thats why you do it over a long time scale.
Happy to oblige, fuck face.
>>74149823
>>74149663
Argue with evidence, you fucking faggot.
>>74149958
GIVE ME A FUCKING SOURCE YOU USELESS CUNT
If co2 causes the temperature to rise,
why was the temperature fine in the 19th century when we were pumping the entire atmosphere full of it?
>>74149945
except only America has evangelists
>>74150004
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/abrupt/data2.html
>>74150072
where is the correlation?
>>74150072
because of the memes
>>74150165
woops, forgot my image
>there is no science here, only religion
>>74149841
Fuck you got me. You're a smart goy… I mean guy.
>>74150004
>GIVE ME A FUCKING SOURCE YOU USELESS CUNT
The "97% of scientists believe in Global Warming" meme came from an Australian.
Yes, Virginia, Aussies shitposted Global Warming into it's own religion.
>Surely the most suspicious “97 percent” study was conducted in 2013 by Australian scientist John Cook — author of the 2011 book Climate Change Denial: Heads in the Sand and creator of the blog Skeptical Science (subtitle: “Getting skeptical about global warming skepticism.”). In an analysis of 12,000 abstracts, he found “a 97% consensus among papers taking a position on the cause of global warming in the peer-reviewed literature that humans are responsible.” “Among papers taking a position” is a significant qualifier: Only 34 percent of the papers Cook examined expressed any opinion about anthropogenic climate change at all. Since 33 percent appeared to endorse anthropogenic climate change, he divided 33 by 34 and — voilà — 97 percent! When David Legates, a University of Delaware professor who formerly headed the university’s Center for Climatic Research, recreated Cook’s study, he found that “only 41 papers — 0.3 percent of all 11,944 abstracts or 1.0 percent of the 4,014 expressing an opinion, and not 97.1 percent,” endorsed what Cook claimed. Several scientists whose papers were included in Cook’s initial sample also protested that they had been misinterpreted. “Significant questions about anthropogenic influences on climate remain,” Legates concluded.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425232/97-percent-solution-ian-tuttle
>>74150072
Because concentration increases with time, idiot.
>>74150185
Because there are thousands of other interactions with temperature, not just CO2. Do a linear regression through that temperature data. Can you start using primary literature instead of morons off of google?
>>74150258
>The "97% of scientists believe in Global Warming" meme came from an Australian.
Couldn't give a fuck what other scientists believe it, but if you're so inclined, if you were to go around the science faculties here or at CSIRO and asked them if they believed it was human induced it would be >90%
We make decisions with data, not the feelings of other people.
>>74150618
>We make decisions with data, not the feelings of other people.
top kek
>>74150258
Oh, dear!
I didn't accidently deny shitposting, did I?
Where did all the Global Warming True Believers go?
>>74150618
>Couldn't give a fuck what other scientists believe it, but if you're so inclined, if you were to go around the science faculties here or at CSIRO and asked them if they believed it was human induced it would be >90%
French universities were purged of all the people who disagreed
>do you believe in global warming and do you believe it is manmade
>I don't know/data is inconclusive
>get your resignation letter on my desk first hour tomorrow
>>74150648
Not an argument.
>>74150695
>French universities were purged of all the people who disagreed
Gee well maybe thats a problem with french universities, you frog cunt.
>>74150618
>if you were to go around the science faculties here or at CSIRO and asked them if they believed it was human induced it would be >90%
>We make decisions with data, not the feelings of other people
You poor dumb bastard.
Wasnt it just confirmed april was the hottest its ever been? This thread is retarded. 2016 will go down as the hottest year on record until 2017
>>74150780
That flew right over your fucking head didn't it lardass. If you were so inclined to do that, that is the result you would get. Whether you let that influence your decision making process is up to you, I don't.
>>74150765
>Gee well maybe thats a problem with french universities, you frog cunt.
except that happened in many places, we even had a government member that said he doesn't believe in it and was forced to literally vanish off the face of the earth, silencing any possible opposition and then conducing an opinion poll is literally a communist technique of opinion control.
>>74150861
>truth is what others really, truly believe it to be!!!!
Tell me again why I should believe in Jesus, because my soul will be tortured forever and ever if I don't.
>>74150946
Thats an issue that needs to be resolved in those institutions then. As for "many places", I am dubious.
I haven't heard of any such things happening in Australia. You might be called an idiot, thought.
>>74150978
lol, what.
>>74144914
nothing of value would be lost, desu
>>74151033
Jeezus loooooves the little children, and Global Warming toooooooo!
What should we do with all the Non-Believers anon?
Is an eternity in the Lake of Fire punishment enough, or should they and their families be tortured here too?
Being a filthy Heretic runs in the family, ya know. Where you root out one Denier, you can always find more.
>the recent pause in warming doesn't count because its too short of a time scale
>the geological record doesn't count because its too long of a time scale
>this isn't confirmation bias
>We make decisions with data
>mfw
>>74151500
>>74151529
>the recent pause in warming doesn't count because its too short of a time scale
Correct. Run it over 100 years.
>the geological record doesn't count because its too long of a time scale
Cite
>this isn't confirmation bias
Correct
>We make decisions with data
Correct again
Whats the problem, cuck?
>>74151755
Global Warming True Believers and Creationists have something in common.
You both only count the last 6000 years.
>>74151755
>cite
>>74150136
spoonfed babby but he's a fussy eater
>>74151898
Buy yourself a rope, advance the world one funeral at a time.
It was also called global cooling before it was called global warming. Does the government even believe it?
>>74143682
Because science can admit when it's wrong. The mechanism is exactly the same, it's just that we've learned more as technology has developed and we're learned more.
Let me use a similar example to show how dumb your argument is
> smoking causes cancer
> people stop smoking but still cancer
> now caused by red meat
It's because we did studies later that we know meat can cause cancer. It just gets overhyped because news and reporting can't into science.
>>74152117
Buttmad cuz you're wrong.
I wont forget Nigel Farage showing up the EU, by showing satellite photos of the north pole and it had gotten bigger, those fucking leftist commies of course have nothing but rude remarks.
>>74143682
>>74152213
Please excuse my American female. She know not what she say.
Educated Americans know that global warming heats the planet, causing ice to melt (Ice Caps), causing sea levels to rise, causing mass relocation(eventually), causing resources deletions.
> Causing SHTF
>>74152388
Link? I wanna see it!
>>74151529
The goddamn sample sizes are fucking annoying. That is the single most annoying thing about this whole shit.
Millions of years of climate and climate changes but we can somehow extrapolate a permanent trend in climate temperatures over a 100 year sample size.
>>74143682
>starts getting cold as shit
summer 2015 was exceptionally hot
autumn 2015 was exceptionally hot
winter 2015 was exceptionally hot
We'll see summer 2016
>>74143682
Global climate change was in use during the 1970s and early 1980s. One aspect of that was the greenhouse effect.
Moron mainstream media latched onto OMYGARSH!!T3HGLOBEIZT3HMELTING!!!!!
The scientific community has always referred to it as climate change.
tl'dr - OP is another uninformed sheep.
>>74152020
>Buy yourself a rope, advance the world one funeral at a time.
The arguement of a True Believer.
Fuck data and sheeit.
>97% of scientists are True Believers of Global Warming an sheeit!!!!
Really?
>I means, 97% of Climate Scientists be True Beliebers
Really?
>I means, 97% of 41 out of 11,944 papers written by Climate Change Scientists agree.
Read it again. Slooooooooowly.
>The "97% of scientists believe in Global Warming" meme came from an Australian.
>Yes, Virginia, Aussies shitposted Global Warming into it's own religion.
>Surely the most suspicious “97 percent” study was conducted in 2013 by Australian scientist John Cook — author of the 2011 book Climate Change Denial: Heads in the Sand and creator of the blog Skeptical Science (subtitle: “Getting skeptical about global warming skepticism.”). In an analysis of 12,000 abstracts, he found “a 97% consensus among papers taking a position on the cause of global warming in the peer-reviewed literature that humans are responsible.” “Among papers taking a position” is a significant qualifier: Only 34 percent of the papers Cook examined expressed any opinion about anthropogenic climate change at all. Since 33 percent appeared to endorse anthropogenic climate change, he divided 33 by 34 and — voilà — 97 percent! When David Legates, a University of Delaware professor who formerly headed the university’s Center for Climatic Research, recreated Cook’s study, he found that “only 41 papers — 0.3 percent of all 11,944 abstracts or 1.0 percent of the 4,014 expressing an opinion, and not 97.1 percent,” endorsed what Cook claimed. Several scientists whose papers were included in Cook’s initial sample also protested that they had been misinterpreted. “Significant questions about anthropogenic influences on climate remain,” Legates concluded.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425232/97-percent-solution-ian-tuttle
My Grandfather smoked his whole life. I was about 10 years old when my mother said to him, 'If you ever want to see your grandchildren graduate, you have to stop immediately.'. Tears welled up in his eyes when he realized what exactly was at stake. He gave it up immediately. Three years later he died of lung cancer. It was really sad and destroyed me. My mother said to me- 'Don't ever smoke. Please don't put your family through what your Grandfather put us through." I agreed. At 28, I have never touched a cigarette. I must say, I feel a very slight sense of regret for never having done it, because this thread gave me cancer anyway.
I come to /pol/ when I feel down to remind myself how retarded and mad others are.
>>74153413
My Great-Grandmother smoked her whole life. She told me the story of the half finished Lucky Strike she picked up off the ground when her daddy tossed it diwn and went inside. She was 9. She really started smoking three years later. Always Lucky Strikes. She smoked a carton a week until 14 months before her death. She had a total of 7 children, 16 grandchildren, and 44 great-grandchildren. She buried 6 husbands. Put two of her daughters into nursing homes, and took them both homecooked dinners twice a week for almost 20 years. At 91 she stopped driving. At 94 she sold her home and moved in with my grandparents. At 97 she moved to a retirement home and only smoked 6 packs a week. She died one week after her 98th birthday.
She told me to never smoke because "It's bad for you".
Did you have a point?
>>74144716
Yes?
Fucking surrender-monkeys cant even com u with a coherent retort.
> its cold so climate change is a hoax
> biggest heat wave Israel has had since 1988, rain in the Middle East, in April, is normal
> weather is just fine
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>74156823
also
> I KNOW BETTER THAN SCIENTISTS
>>74143682
Global Warming is used because world temperatures will go up on average
Climate Change is used because that's what is happening everywhere
It's not that hard to understand, is it ?
Also having a shitty spring where it's cold doesn't invalidate global warming. Maybe you had the snowstorm of the decade and Fox News railed about it, but we had the mildest fucking winter I can remember here in continental Europe
The fact you don't comprehend the notion of a global, average change and believe local oddities invalidate it clearly shows why you have the flag you do
>>74143682
This shit, along with the lovely carbon taxes that my fucking shit government is implementing, is just another cash grab.
I will say though, the weather in my area has been fucking weird lately. Daytime it's actually pretty warm. Around 15-20 degrees celcius (celcius is a real word, acknowledge it american spellcheck), yet there's been a few nights where it's dropped down to near 0.
But hey, keep spraying shit in the sky. I wonder what could possibly go wrong.
>>74158421
nevermind. I'm drunk. It's celsius.
Global warming was/is pure fiction made up by the jew to distract us while they pump cultural marxism into our veins.
We're never going to be more green. It will NEVER fucking happen. It will just be used as a political tool to get votes for Democrats.
>>74143682
NJ reporting in. It's pretty chilly today, considering it's spring and I've already had time to adapt to the warmer weather.
>>74143682
Tax on exhaling when?
>>74143908
The media always jumps on studies that can be spun in a sensationalistic way despite it not representing the consensus.
>>74143682
The worst aspect of /pol/ has to be climate science denial.
>>74147992
In northern california
Tahoe had a record year for snowfall
>california is a big place
And San Diego is cold as shit for May
Where the fuck do you even live?
http://www.moralcaseforfossilfuels.com/data/
http://www.moralcaseforfossilfuels.com/data/
http://www.moralcaseforfossilfuels.com/data/
>>74144365
>yfw they were hoping the worse would happen so they could bring in refugees
>yfw when it didn't get that bad but they found a way to bring them in anyways
>>74143682
My statistics professor says climate change is BS. I'm more inclined to believe him than Bill Nye
>>74162381
not an argument
