Stop defending humans over automation.
Machines dont talk shit to customers.
Machines dont make errors.
This surely must be a one-sided issue, right?
>Liberals have pushed Wendy's into deploying automated kiosks to over 6,000 stores by the end of the year.
>The company cites the coming rise of minimum wage as the main impetus to invest more heavily into automation. The higher wages make it more appealing to switch to fully automated stores.
http://www.investors.com/politics/policy/wendys-serves-up-kiosks-as-wages-rise-hits-fast-food-group/
Who cares
There is no reason to use people when it becomes less cost-effective to do so.
>>74129843
i see nothing wrong with this
for the plebs that actually eat shit tier food
>>74129843
the vast majority of workers are far from replaceable by machines but yeah there's basically no reason to keep people working registers when it's more cost effective to use computers since the means to replace them already exist right now
>>74130005
but buy a machine today and you'll make up the cost in what a few years? How is this not in every damn fast food restaurant around the country
>>74129843
Ban assault computers.
>>74129843
Holy shit. Going to be alot of unemployment in the next 5-10 years 15-20years tops robots will be doing of the work.
Have fun trying to pay your shitbag employees $15 an hour while paying for thousands of those things
And the employees jobs get even easier
>>74130266
You retard a fucking touch screen is cheap and the whole point is not to have to pay some faggot 15 bucks per hour
>>74129843
wawa did this ten years ago
>>74130164
Less than that. Automation is getting cheaper by the minute.
>>74130164
>but buy a machine today and you'll make up the cost in what a few years?
1k on aliexpress
>>74130403
those things are easily a couple thousand dollars
>>74130801
Mass produced on a bulk Co tract probably less than a grand. And they don't whine about healthcare and scheduling.
>>74130801
They're a touch-screen with a single program loaded attached to a credit card swipe device. They're less technologically advanced than an iPad.
A McDonalds is open for at least 12 hours a day. If you're paying $15 an hour, each employee represents over $1200 a week in money you have to spend. Even if your cost estimate is true, the machine becomes profitable within a month.
I welcome this.
Surplus of labor results in a crisis that culminates in the forced introduction of a universal allowance which in theory would allow those capable in less fortunate circumstances to launchpad themselves into more technical fields and higher education.
Except if you're a dindu, then you're just going to buy fucking shanks and go on the piss with every friday.
Well, what are we going to do with all these unemployed?
Yes we will need then to repair the robots but it seems there will be a very large deficit in jobs lost.
>>74130801
They will save money in the long run and it would create jobs worth a damn, with the maintenance and such the machines will need.
>>74131654
>repair the robots
Implying someone out there isn't working on a robot that repairs robots that can repair other robots that repair robots.
>>74131747
>implying someone is not already working on a robot which identifies broken robots and lets other robots know that the broken robot needs to be repaired and the repair robots repair the broken robot
>>74131747
Oh I agree, just posting that because it's the usual retort people use with automation. I can't see this ending well.
You dumb bumpkins will be the ones giving Wendy's most of their revenue.
The only downside is it's going to slow down the line, because customers are retarded. Human cashiers are retarded too, but at least they use the ordering computer for 8 hours/day. Customers are going to stand there picking their butts and mashing at the screen with greasy, grimy fingers, furrowing their brows in desperate frustration.
>>74129843
>inb4 video of niggers arguing with then assaulting a kiosk
Fuck greedy corps.I hope they rot!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxINJzqzn4w
>>74129843
Suppose the machines get to the point were they feel that being paid in electricity is not enough for them?
>>74129843
Thank god.
Not surprising that they're the first in the US to do this large scale. Wendy's has been pushing hard for a more modern image for the past few years to compete with places like Chipoltle. Pic related.
I still prefer their Dave Thomas "Old-fashioned Hamburgers" 80's-90's style restaurants though. Might be nostalgia.
>>74131654
>repairing robots
Kiosks aren't these error prone machines that would need constant maintenance and tune ups like heavy machinery. If anything they would just have to be cleaned up every now and then, and that doesn't require any new jobs.
>>74130237
You know, when Henry Ford gave people Saturday off, there was this huge thing going around how in fifteen, twenty years they wouldn't be working more than half the week?
Well guess what, robots aren't going to be shooting around that soon either. Fast-Food is prolly going to do this though.
>>74132035
That's why you hire a few guys to make sure everything works right. Get one guy to walk the floor (manager) and one-two people making food. Boom, Kiosk is now profitable.
THE KIOSK DOES IT FOR FREE
>be me
>go into Wendy's
>get greeted by robotic voice
>holyshitmypants.png
>nervous about ordering from machine teenagers
>food comes out pretty fast
>open box
>holy shit it looks just like the picture and it is free of pubes and spit
>tastes really good too not burnt or cold like its been left out
>mfw machines have made the nigger obsolete.
>>74132458
Recent Oxford study showed 47% of American jobs in jeopardy by 2034 due to automation.
It's all fine and good until you have a retard that can't figure out the machines and has a problem, or the machines break down.
Somebody still has to make the food too. Safe bet some fast food joints will be completely automated.
I don't wanna eat in a burger factory with no humanity in it.
>>74129843
Machines don't have an accent that's impossible to understand.
>>74132458
>You know, when Henry Ford gave people Saturday off, there was this huge thing going around how in fifteen, twenty years they wouldn't be working more than half the week?
What about all the unnecessary jobs that are made up to keep people under control? Corporate office slaves, HR. PR, administration of various sorts and so on. Many people nowadays are actually thinking their jobs are pointless.
We need to get rid of the fake jobs, increase automation and implement a universal basic income.
How about machines that get rid of useless bosses? Anyone in the corporate world knows this would save a huge amount on expenses.
>>74132911
Why would anyone agree to basic incomes? The corporations get the money. People who own the corporations get money, and unless they're taxed to shit, the nation isn't getting any of it. If anything, it'd just create a huge unemployment rate. Then, new jobs to fill them. Robotic managers, and programmers. People would be little more than managers as robots worked to do menial labor. Face it, rather than the manager position being eliminated, it will just be transferred.
>>74132729
robots cooking, robots cleaning, maybe some guy sitting there like a hotel manager to make sure nobody is stealing burgers. that's the way I see it.
>>74129843
>Liberals whine until they have a 15$ minimum wage to help the poor exploited employees
>Employees become too expensive for their shit tier labor so they are fired and replaced by robots
>Employee's new wage: $0.00 USD
oh im laffin
>>74133274
Karma's a bitch, isn't it?
>>74133016
robots should replace customers
perfect option for corps
>>74131105
Yes
>>74133274
>more unemployed in your community
>more crime/poverty/insecurity
>property values are driven down
>increased concentration of wealth and power
It'll happen to you some day too.
>>74132538
>mfw machines have made the nigger obsolete.
That's what they said about the cotton gin, and the tractor
>>74133274
That's why I oppose $15 minimum wage. People just get let go and prices go up. Its a temporary fix at best the leads to more problems.
>>74133701
>more unemployed in your community
Liberals love giving welfare because it gives them votes
>more crime/poverty/insecurity
This will give liberals more chances to push nanny-state laws and attack the second amendment
Was this the plan all along?
>>74133704
yeah and they are obsolete I don't get your point
>>74133761
No it doesn't moron, labor is small percent of prices.
>>74130801
Pretty fucking cheap compared to a year's salary
>>74130005
This makes sense only if the fast food workers get the same niggermoney. If not, this only contributes to wealth inequality which is currently a big problem for US society.
>>74131654
>Well, what are we going to do with all these unemployed?
What happened to horses after cars?
You stop breeding so many.
Population control.
>>74129843
agreed
>>74130164
>Machine for 1K
>pays for itself in two weeks replacing one employee at $60/day
>>74131654
Those fast food workers won't be able to repair robots.
>>74132269
All the Wendy's in my area have gone through similar remodeling. Hell, there's a big screen TV on the wall in the one closest to my house usually on the news or the ball game.
They're easily the best quality of the McDonald's-Burger King-Wendy's trio. If they keep pushing they'll reach Chipotle-Five Guys tier.
>>74135542
/pol/ loves to give retardedly absurd solutions which will never work.
>>74135650
i just wonder how they're maintaining it? I guess it would only take a few software developers to replace thousands of employees across the chain
>>74134884
They havent invented a machine that can rape rob loot and murder indiscriminately, burn down its own factory while collecting gibs and blaming whitey yet.
>>74135731
It seems to have worked fine in china to curb population growth.
>>74129843
Your children will be placed in the custody of Carls Jr. Carl's Jr. Fuck you, I'm eating
>>74130233
kek
>>74135774
that's because Chinese are breeding like rabbits. Overpopulation is not an issue in US. Considering the fact that most people are doing mechanical jobs, they will be replaced. Also remember that big part of those people are unable to do anything creative.
>>74135703
My company does a lot of these remodels. Do yours have giant faux fireplaces on the wall? We had to go back and uninstall them all down here in Florida because theyre actual heaters
>>74132035
A fewjack in the box near my place have the touch screen order kiosks, idiots get so confused they interrupt cashiers constantly.
>>74136191
i'm surprised they haven't tried voice recognition yet.
but i guess it's not good enough to recognize nigger babble yet.
>Mfw I'm going to school for industrial automation
they will probably just get moved to the back to make the food anyway
>>74133120
>maybe some guy sitting there like a hotel manager to make sure nobody is stealing burgers
Someone still has to deal with inventory and loading the machines. Even the big guys like burger king and wendys just get a guy coming in the back with a dolly and a load of frozen stuff.
Man im so fucking glad im close to retirement age. The world is changing at a very fast pace now.
>touch screen that every man, woman, child, normie, jigaboo, tap dancer, paki, hobo and nose picking retread in front of you touched
>eat food with your hands after
>>74133120
>robots cooking, robots cleaning, maybe some guy sitting there like a hotel manager to make sure nobody is stealing burgers. that's the way I see it.
What if the robots kill him and steal the burgers?
>>74129843
poor people deserve slavery, not wages. Wages are nothing more than socialist wealth redistribution pushed by liberals and jews.
>machines dont make errors
what if they glitch?
>>74130801
That's maybe 2 months of checks
tax the machines and redistribute the wealth and ultimately realize that socialism is the future.
>>74136730
>>machines dont make errors
>what if they glitch?
That's not the main problem.
As it is now the cashier uses common machines to put in the order and handle the cash.
If you get rid of them the customer has to use the machine. That's what you are changing. But people are stupid and don't know how to use machines. We have self-checkout machines at Walmart and other places. What happens is that you have a bunch of employees at the machines to tell the customers how to use them.
>>74129843
>That person in the lower left hand corner subtly flipping the cameraman off
Kek
>>74136730
>What if they glitch
It can definitely happen
>>74136671
you'll be happy to know they've already touched the door handles, the pop-fountain buttons, your money etc...
beacuse my country is poor, and will have something like that 100 years after 1st world countries
>>74136985
what if a hacker makes all the money go to another account
>>74137173
What if I went back in time and impregnated your mother?
In 10 years things are going to suck. We are all going to forget how to speak. We will all be autistic wizards who can merely grunt. When you're old your robot nurse can do it all while you reminisce about silent Wendy's dinners with virtual girlfriends before you euthanise yourself
>>74129843
>This thread again
GET WITH THE TIMES MAAAN
>>74137346
Now get in your robot car and have it drive you off a mountain to scatter your ashes. The silent majority
>AT LEAST I HAD JAXX'S ARMS
>>74129843
>>74137331
Then I'd be a nigger.
>>74137610
holy shit, KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT
>>74135034
>labor is small percent of prices.
Found the socialist meme fag with no real business experience.
>mfw you espouse nigger economics.
>>74136730
>what if they glitch?
remote reboot or reload of the operating system. Making this redundant and remotely accessible is stupid easy.
There will be multiple systems so its not a big deal if one is down. Send your average geek squad tier pleb with a
new modular unit to replace it.
>>74129843
I told /pol/ a couple of years ago this would happen sooner than later.
Most of you disagreed because you're afraid for your own job security and future instead of facing reality.
I'm a medicine student that is almost graduating. And even I realize that I will need to get reeducated within 10-15 years because surgery will get automated.
You guys need to accept that your entire lives will revolve around reeducating yourselves to switch careers the moment the jobs in one sector dry up.
It's the financial and basic manual labor that starts to get automated heavily right now.
Then it'll be Medical, IT and service jobs.
Save yourself some money while you still can to prepare yourself for reeducational expenses.
This shit is going to hit ALL of us.
they should really not automate after all mcdonalds still provides alot of jobs and all those workers will go on welfare
>>74138089
She should've bought more limes. Poor people need to eat lots of limes.
>>74129843
I love it every time I see news about increased automation on low-skilled, low-intelligence jobs. Simply because this is exactly what we claimed would happen.
So these workers will be stripped down to the bare essentials (like shoving shit out a window into a car), and the rest will be let go, and won't be able to find new jobs. Liberals will then blame it on the evil corporations and their evil need to make a profit.
>>74129843
>using your middle finger to press touchscreens
why do old people do this?
>>74129843
People have always adapted to automation. Nobody complains that we don't have bellhops to operate elevators for us or scarce access to clothing, cars, etc
>>74138089
to be fair "what families" could be 5 people, thats fuck all for 5 people for a week. BUT
BUT
I am a firm believer that people that cant afford kids shouldn't have any.
>>74129843
Behold the transhumanist agenda.
>>74130164
The first company to do it without an excuse will be seen as greedy, and not caring about employees. The liberal/progressive/poor masses wouldve boycotted them. Literally the only reason i have to deal with stupid negresses at the drive thru. I hate fast food but its convienent when im traveling for work
>>74138066
>tfw law fag
Robo-lawyers won't happen in my lifetime
>>74138089
>$29
Ha! I don't know a single "family" that makes less than $150/person/month. And when you combine that with medicaid, welfare cash assistance, housing assistance, and utility assistance, you need like a whopping 200/month for a family of 4.
>>74137610
>>74137656
nice modem restart
>>74130801
Why do you think they're so different than the cash registers that are already used? The only real difference will be the improved UI and an automated change dispenser.
Good.
>>74138236
honestly having anything more then 2 kids should be taxed.
>>74138299
I have some very bad news for you.
http://www.techworm.net/2016/05/ross-worlds-first-ai-lawyer-hired-law-firm.html
Law jobs are some of the first to go (just as medical are BTW, you're in the same boat as me)
Watch this shit to see how fucked we actually are.
https://youtu.be/7Pq-S557XQU
>>74138356
kek
>under 60 sec
>>74129843
I prefer this to piss off Liberals
>UC president announces $15/hour minimum wage
>The mandated minimum will increase to $13 an hour on Oct. 1, 2015, to $14 an hour on Oct. 1, 2016, and to $15 an hour on Oct. 1, 2017. The California state minimum wage currently stands at $9 an hour, and is set to increase to $10 an hour on Jan. 1, 2016.
http://hr.berkeley.edu/news/uc-president-announces-15hour-minimum-wage
>UC Berkeley to eliminate 500 staff jobs
http://archive.is/HMlWz
>>74131654
>repair robots
They're literally computers. Just tell the lady buying 40 mcnuggets to bring her autist son in to fix it for you and the meals free
>>74138356
What?
>>74136985
actually you only need one employee there to man 8-10 automated tellers, rather than one at every register, still broadly more efficient
>>74138295
Yeah, well, it's being rolled out regardless, thanks to LA's new minimum wage. That's literally more than 3 million people in the city, and more than 10 million in the county. Add Seattle to this, and you're at closer to 11 million. That's a HUGE chunk of the population, so you're seeing restaurants, both fast food and chains, like Olive Garden and Applebees saying, "fuck it, we're rolling it out nation wide."
>>74138453
Artificial intelligence is very likely never going to replace human intelligence. CPUs work nothing like brains
They already have these machines at fast food places in Japan. Im surprised these aren't standard in North America yet.
>>74138089
bullshit, when i was on snap, i got $200 a month, $50 a week i was living comfy. A family would get way more than that.
>>74132269
I like the old ones too. There's something charming about old shitty fast food places. Idk why have to pretend to be not shitty. (I love wendy's btw, shitty isn't an insult.)
>>74136671
wash your hands before you eat, goy.
>>74138649
Labor was cheaper in the States, because we aren't sitting at over 200% debt to GDP. Japan wants their workers paid more so they can tax more. You'll also notice a very large NEET culture there. It's basically a bunch of men saying, "Fuck it. My future is gone, and I can't afford a wife, let alone raise a family. Fuck this," and clocking out for the last time.
>>74129843
>>74131654
>>74131747
>>74131851
>>74132295
>>74135655
>>74138519
Only problem, all the machines seem to be owned by outside companies, so they'd have to pay the company to fix them.
I'm sure most companies have enough money to do that and keep automation and some might have enough money to develop their own machines.
>>74138785
So that anon was right about this being a subtle form of population control. Those NEETs aren't reproducing.
>>74129843
This.
Nobody wants to talk to self-entitled douchebags in their early twenties (read: cashiers).
>>74138593
You don't need full Artificial intelligence to replace most jobs.
You can do it with current systems that aren't actually intelligent but can search and link information better than we can.
Things like Law and financial work are analytical in nature. Something CURRENT computer systems are better at than humans.
Especially with deep learning systems google and the tech big boys uses. A lot of mental labor is replaceable.
Remember that most of humanities problems can actually be simplified to search and link problems.
Like medicine, Finding a new vaccine you can just scan a database of data we already have about medicine and reference it to what we need to have. That is already what the pharmacy industry is doing RIGHT NOW.
There won't be a lot of mental labor left for humans to do when we apply these systems at larger scales.
And I'm only talking about technology you can produce and potentially buy in 2016.
>>74138922
Maybe, maybe not. Without kids, the state tends to hit atrophy. It literally withers on the vine. But what's the alternative with that kind of debt? To default and watch the country hit 3rd world status?
Take a good, hard look at Japan. Because Bernie would take us to a very similar status very quickly.
>Trump brings factor jobs back to states
>factories become 99% automated because robots can work 24/7 and don't need health benefits
>still no jobs for low-IQ bumkins
>all the jobs go to the small percentage of engineers and software devs
>rich people who own the factories get to have all the profits and employ no one
Are we ready for basic income yet
>>74138593
>Artificial intelligence is very likely never going to replace human intelligence.
HAHAHA
You're the type of person to say "man will never fly" or "man will never travel to space" or "man will never land on the moon" but for contemporary times.
Unless you're a fan of unprecedented political instability, violence, and bloodshed then automation should scare you. Economically obsolete people living in an antiquated social system that worships money probably won't be up to much good. It's not just dumb jobs like fast food either. Surgeons, truckers, and thousands of others could very easily be replaced by robots in a decade or two. Scary times.
>>74138922
>NEETs
how do NEETs even manage to live in such expensive places like Tokyo?
>>74139094
That will never happen. What will happen is the cost of shit will asymptotically approach zero as the cost of production gets cheaper and cheaper. You'll make a money doing the few jobs that demand a human touch (mostly small business), and less money will stretch farther.
>>74139261
>What will happen is the cost of shit will asymptotically approach zero as the cost of production gets cheaper and cheaper.
This would make sense if resources were infinite.
>>74139206
This was said about tractors and assembly lines and basically every other invention/innovation.
>>74130233
ban assault burgers
>>74129843
>Machines dont make errors.
The fuck are you even talking about?
>>74139094
>factories become 99% automated
you realize automation isnt just plug and forget. their needs to be a process of production engineer, quality control, design, software and hardware support. The people who did things manually will still have to tend to the process. Your idea of automation is too simple.
>>74139425
They are far less prone to errors than humans are, nigger.
>>74131851
kek
>>74139018
You're never going to have robots making the final say on a diagnosis or plan of treatment. They will always be used as tools for doctors, because they'll never be able to truly comprehend the situation. I don't feel like arguing. On intelligence is one good novel that explains why computers are incapable of true intelligence
>>74139361
They pretty much are. Perhaps not on earth, but private corporations are already looking into space, and you can be sure that they wouldn't be doing it if they weren't betting on a profit eventually.
Again, what's the use of the entire industry being automated, able to produce millions of whodits and billions of whatyamacallits per year, if nobody can afford them?
>>74139425
And the most common reason why machines make errors, is because humans introduced that error to them in the first place (programming error etc.).
>>74139206
>Unless you're a fan of unprecedented political instability, violence, and bloodshed then automation should scare you.
So you mean it will finally happen?
this is BS.
they will switch regardless. they just use the min wage as an excuse. the gov't is the scapegoat and they get off looking like they are doing use a favor. anyone who doesn't care - i hope you are ready for the future of droves of homeless. your job is next.
>>74129843
This will work, if there isn't lots of people. Plus with this, there will be bound troubles, such as fights of getting to use it, delay by some retard pushing random buttons and lastly breakdown. Anyway, they need to wait with pushing all things automatic for at least 10-15 years
>>74139375
Those inventions only marginally increased productivity, and were balanced out by vastly increased consumption. What automation does is increase productivity at a vastly higher rate, which cannot be increased by increased demand. No one needs 50 cars. Automation replaces rather than augments human labor. We can already see signs of this in decreasing manufacturing and retail employment, as well as a falling median income. Dumber people have already been replaced by machines. Blacks in Baltimore, for example, only rioted because they no longer have access to the simple manual labor jobs that kept them employed during the last few centuries. They are already economically obsolete. Soon we will be too.
Will Accounting be automated?
Should I change my career path to IT/CIS?
>>74139450
>you realize automation isnt just plug and forget.
>>all the jobs go to the small percentage of engineers and software devs
The problem is that these jobs become more and more selective of high IQ. Which not everyone has. The type of people who expect to retire after working in a factory for 40 years are not the type of people to engineer robots.
>>74139529
>argument is predicated on the notion that resources are infinite
Dropped.
>>74139153
More like industry experts in computer science and neuroscience know that neurons work nothing like microchips. You can get a calculator to compute something for you, but it will never understand why it's doing so
I can't wait until they replace the burger-makers with robots too. Imagine getting your burgers exactly add you ordered them, perfectly cooked, every time without having to interact with dindus.
>>74139521
you clearly don't know much about AI.
like the other poster said, you don't need full ai to do most things. the highly specialized jobs (such as doctors) will be the last to be replaced, so that will take a while. but most jobs can and will be easily replaced with machines in the coming decades.
don't argue. you don't know jack shit about what you are talking about.
>>74139657
>Dropped.
Explain Virgin's experiments with space travel, then. What possible profit could there be to them, if we are not eventually going to be able to move on to other planets and asteroids and get resources from them?
>>74139709
>without having to interact with dindus
They better hire some security guards because dindus are going to fuck up unattended shops.
>>74139656
>what are calculators
I am friends with a student at JHU working on mapping neural networks. We are at most 10-20 years away from functional AI. At that point we are truly, truly fucked.
>>74139709
I can only dream of such a thing
>>74139657
>The problem is that these jobs become more and more selective of high IQ.
being an engineer doesn't necessitate a high iq average. if more you can train workers fairly easily to operate machinery that does complex tasks with a simpler UI reference interface. unless one is braindead he could figure stuff out on the fly its how most people learn.
>>74139794
20 years to achieve it, 20 years to get it cheap enough to begin implementing it, and another 20 years to finish implementing it.
I'm betting that I'll be dead by 90. I'm hoping I'm dead by 80, honestly.
>>74139791
that's fine, businesses can leave if staying is unprofitable
>>74139709
>tfw the secret sauce will finally be "sodium" free
>>74135034
labor is 30% of revenue idiot
>source worked in restaurant for 24 yrs
>>74129843
can't fucking wait. No need to deal with some shitty cashier with a shitty attitude
>>74139912
I don't. I want to live long enough to see the world burn. If I die everyone else needs to go with me.
>>74139988
Ok.
>>74139218
They live in Saitama, or Kanagawa, or Chiba, or almost anywhere else outside the 23 wards.
>>74139988
Literally if one malicious person or group gets ahold of AI capable of improving itself, the entire world is dead. As in every single person wiped out by a more intelligent species.
>>74131297
>Surplus of labor results in a crisis that culminates in the forced introduction of a universal allowance
citation needed
it could just as easily be said that it would be enable the destruction society to "create" jobs for these people to do.
these things are dangerous. I'm not talking about >muh berger makers
what would really happen if 20% of the labor force was obsolete on top of 15% unemployment rates? how is that good for anyone.
>>74139650
At the same time our governments are importing millions of low IQ foreigners. Even if the immigrant themselves is high quality, their family isn't, and their kids will regress towards their racial norm.
We'll be seeing more riots as we continue to adapt to extremely high unemployment rates, such as those seen in europe.
>>74139791
There will still be employees, just less of them doing different things. Think of how the jobs in a factory are much different now than in the past. Many jobs are just supporting machines.
I may not be able to marry a robot, but I guess taking my food orders is a start.
>>74139791
This
What's stopping a BLM riot from smashing all the kiosks?
>>74138089
this dumb goopy bitch is clueless. her site recommends shit that no family on stamps could ever afford.
Where I shop for my food, they now have a self scan system. I dont mean the one where you scan it yourself at the end. In this one you have a scanner as you walk around, and scan each item as you pick it.
You can then pack it instantly. No queues to pay. No unloading to pay to load, to unload. You can see instantly how much you have spent, and any special offers / price reductions. No 3rd worlder touching your food.
One shop person can handle 10 of the stations where you pay.
What a time to be alive.
>>74135735
even if you had to maintain them every single day, it's still 1 technician per hundreds of units, which each replaced 1 person.
>>74140018
still though Kanagawa is a nice area how do they manage to live in a house, pay utilities and get food if they dont work?
>>74129843
if robots dont get paid and everybody is jobless and lives on universal welfare, where does the welfare money come from?
>>74132640
>tfw I work in BI at a large 3rd party logistics firm
>tfw my job is finding the most efficient ways to automate things and trim excess fat
Feels good man. Minimum wage sandersfags will keep bitching about robots replacing them, while I spend my days making more and more of them obsolete.
>>74140401
Better make sure no one knows about that once the happening starts.
>>74140366
from the stuff the robots in china will be producing
>>74129843
youre a fag if you think theres a link between the minimum wage talk and their automation.
>Implying wendys didn't begin the research on this at least 5 years ago
>Implying wendys isnt passing the blame so they dont look bad
wew
>>74129843
>Machines dont make errors.
>>74139709
The only places I see that actually cook the burgers themselves are Five Guys, In-N-Out, and The Habit, ever other store just has employees throwing paddies in some self cooker.
>>74140519
raising the minimum wage made expenses so high that looking like greedy crooks wasn't even deterring them from doing this anymore.
This is the true issue of our time. There is a battle right now between the development of true AI and the instability caused by automation. Our future will be determined by which event happens to come first
>the replacement of humanity by a superior species
>or
>the collapse of western society due to automation
I am just glad to be alive to see it happen
>>74129976
You probably should considering it's the only job you'll ever be qualified to do
>>74139791
>>74140166
They already have these in black areas
Hell, at a gas station and recycling center just down the street from me has glass and a small slot for money, probably can't put a gun or knife through.
>>74140647
In n out will definitely continue to keep people on staff. From what I've heard, they're pretty good to their employees and move them up through positions as they get more experienced. Plus with the "secret menu" stuff they're known for, their image would be better preserved with human employees.
>>74140647
McDonald's is testing cooking burgers
If I owned a chain, I'd bulk buy tablets for >$100/ea and put uniCenta on them.
Humans are prone to error and can be fairly slow, but something else is that because they're prone to error, customers can blame them. Try blaming a mishap on the computer. Computers do what you tell them to do. If in the history of mankind a computer doesn't, I'm jumping ship cause shit's about to get real.
Computers are super efficient, have logs, and are fast.
In the free market, it's only a matter of time before automation becomes feasible enough to take over jobs that don't require human thought. And that's how it should be. It's a leftist trap, as harmful as socialism, to think that people always need jobs. They don't need jobs or money. They need a means. Once you start thinking about the economy that way, everything makes sense. For example, if we had a replicator that could produce replicators, supply and demand would be solely intellectual. Therefore, if your demand was intellectual you couldn't provide for yourself (means) you'd need means to get it (maybe money or goods (boipussy). But if you don't require anything your little mind can't engineer or think of, you'd never need any means. You wouldn't need a job.
And the job creation answer from the left is for the government to create more jobs. That's a pyramid scheme. Eventually it collapses.
But robots and computers are good. Just create something of value they can't. Do you really want to be doing something that's so easily automated? Probably not. But if you can't create anything of value, automation lowers costs via efficiency and you might have to pay a fraction of the price. A very part time job would do. MAYBE A TWO DAY WORK WEEK, VENEZUELA.
>>74138453
its over
its all over
I'm done. what is there to live for.
Machines don't make errors? Yes they fucking do. Quite a bit actually.
If these replace people and people punching in their own orders lines will take 3x as long to get through. People do not like waiting. At all. Especially if they are waiting behind some dumb fuck who doesn't know how to use their thing. They will lose buisness I'd it's only that. I don't even use the self register at panera because it would take 3 times as long than walking up the the register person jumping to take my order and punch it in quickly and efficently. So they will need someone to stand around and help dumb fucks find the mayo option in order for lines to go smoothly. So they would still need to pay someone and have a bunch of new machines anyways. Or just have a register and that same cashier blowing through the line. That's just my 2 cents
>>74140936
>leftist
>think people need jobs
That's an impressive misunderstanding of political terminology my friend.
>>74140936
Doesnt work that way. Shit is more efficient and automated than ever, and people work more on average now than they did 50 years ago.
>>74140936
People do need jobs, it gives them purpose. Without purpose people tend not to behave very well at all.
>>74141058
They believe people need jobs or money in the broadest sense. That's why welfare is so big, and they actually brag about how many people the department of health and human resources employ. It's such backwards logic.
>>74141172
I did the math on a McDonald's cheeseburger. Despite popular belief, the burgers have the same amount of meat in them as when they started in the 1950's. McDonald's has gotten more efficient and so have the logistics of their suppliers. So whereas (and I forget the exact math) back in the 1950's you could afford x amount of cheeseburgers on a median salary, you can afford something like 5x cheeseburgers on the current median salary adjusting for inflation.
>>74141233
That sounds more like a want than a need. Furthermore, it sounds more like a personal want. Not everyone feels the same way. Most of us would rather spend our time having fun doing things we appreciate, than balancing someone else's ledgers or what have you.
>>74141546
>most of us would rather spend out time having fun
Niggers think getting fucked up and shooting each other is fun.
>>74141172
I forgot to add..
I think it's a social problem we have where the status quo standard of living is raised beyond what is reasonable. My point is, we live like kingns compared to a few generations ago off the same median salary and working just as much. You forget, before that they had to limit work weeks and pay over time. They did used to work that hard. Now we work just as hard, but can afford things unthinkable back then. We just think everyone needs a 5 bedroom house, a boat, an RV, and eating out a few times a week because it's a standard.
>>74141650
How does this relate to anything I said?
>>74141853
You need more to succeed in the modern world than you did 100 years ago. Most jobs these days NEED you to have a cell phone, for example. I couldn't do my job with a regular land line phone. I HAVE to have a data plan too because I need to use the maps and internet when I'm on the road.
Did they need that 100 years ago?
Fuck no. They didn't need a personal car and insurance either. I sure as hell do.
>>74141853
Say What?
>>74142186
You don't need car insurance, but in most states it's forced on you as a government mandate. Insurance is a huge scheme, but that's a whole new conversation.
As for a cell phone for work? Well, if your job requires is, your job either pays for it, subsidizes it, or you write it off on your taxes. If you're self employed, that's the cost of doing business because that's competition; but you still gain greater profit than you did 100 years ago.
>>74142721
So your reasoning is I don't need something because its a scheme that I actually do need it?
Bottom line is the baseline for doing anything in the modern world is much higher than it was "in the old days" and every time I see someone make a comparison with 100 years ago like it has any value I can't help but roll my eyes.
>>74129843
People talk about fast food workers messing up orders - I say also consider the disease they spread as well as general ignorance/disregard of food safety.
I had one put my bag of food into a puddle of who-knows-what on the counter and argue with me about how they didn't think it soaked through into the food.
>>74142933
No, my reasoning for not needing insurance is because you don't actually need insurance. You didn't need it before, and you don't need it now. Saying it's a scheme was an aside, but you want to attack low hanging fruit because it's easier.
Roll your eyes all you want, but it won't make you any more correct or more knowledgeable. I feel like I'm talking to a teenage girl.
>libruuuUuUUuUuuUuuuls
Mcdicks started testing these in Calgary before we had a leftist provincial government, which was a completely unprecedented and unforeseeable, nobody anticipated the conservatives 40+ year lock on the province to break, let alone have a provincial government that would substantially change the minimum wage.
These are not about saving money on labour, it's about upselling individual ingredients.
>>74129843
>Machines dont make errors.
have you ever stood behind fucking idiots trying to work the self check out at the grocery store? If not than your in for a real treat
>>74129843
>implying this wont happen regardless of a payrise
>implying he didn't just blame the payrise so People would be angry with the government instead of wendy's
Mans a genius
>>74143183
That is because fucking morons are working the things you cunt! How fucking thick is your skull?
>>74143009
Absolutely. There are pros outweigh the cons like a motherfucker.
>efficiency
>accuracy
>speed
>logging
.. the list goes on
As far as cons..?
>poorly written code (also human error), but some if it hard to avoid. For example, flight software is hard to write cause many things are intuitive to add, but intuitive to do.
>>74143183
That's still human error. User error = human error. We have to make UI's that cater to potatoes, and we still can't win them all. Although, a process update can fix that. One of the problems is that the government gets involved. So for example, you need a control code for all those 18+ items.
>>74136713
>robots steal the burgers
Don't even joke about that maplefag
>>74143183
>machines don't make errors
>gives example of a human making an error
Literally the only time I've ever seen a computer make an error that wasn't directly or indirectly caused by a human was a physical Intel CPU fault caused by a faulty design back in 1994, and even THAT could have been seen as human error.
>>74136713
>What if the robots kill him and steal the burgers?
http://www.hulu.com/watch/2340
>>74143451
so when a computer works flawlessly it is machine efficiency, but when it fails it is human error?
>>74143599
Do you not even know how human error works?
The CPU fault I was talking about directly fucked up the computation of floating point variables ON THE HARDWARE LEVEL, ON THE DIE. The closest thing any human had to it would have been designing the thing.
Everything else can be brought up to storage failures, actual human error in programming, or other human fault.
Automation is inevitable but the question is what do we do with the poors when there are no longer jpbs for them. If your answer is "nothing" we will see a dramatic rise in crime and violence. We need a way to reduce the population of the lower classes.
>>74143709
We can offer them a guaranteed income in exchange for them not having children.
>>74130164
Don't American McDonalds already have self service order boards?
>>74143688
spot the computer
>>74143845
Spot the NEET.
>>74129843
>Machines dont make errors.
They just can't fix their own errors, so you call it a malfunction and need a technician to fix it.
>>74143910
>getting angry at being called a computer
lol
>>74144045
You've essentially been proven wrong, and now you're being salty over it.
>>74129843
Regulations will need to be put in place against automation or education will have to be free. Otherwise we will have a terrible unemployment problem. But with less people laboring we will have time for more significant advancements to society (scientific research, etc). Just not sure where that will leave the people too stupid for education.
>>74144209
Not really. Only a small fraction of the population don't prepare for the future and suffer the consequences. Most people push for their kids to be educated so they have a fighting chance and won't starve in life. Hell, most of the people on welfare today would get jobs if they didn't have a meal ticket.
There is literally nothing wrong with automation. It's immoral to defend a man working a useless job. No one should have to stamp boxes all day when a machine can do it for them. And the people who used to stamp boxes didn't die or become jobless. They became an asset that could complete a more fulfilling role. Anything else is a luddite, quaker tier argument.
>>74132126
>Underrated
>>74144209
This is the exact thing said about any industrial advancement ever and it wasn't true.
Things will work themselves out.
>>74145198
>They became an asset that could complete a more fulfilling role
They stamped a hot lead projectile straight to their brain when the only thing they had ever known was taken away.
![farmer-two-mule-team[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zuDFx7M.jpg "farmer-two-mule-team[1].jpg")
>>74145412
There is zero reason to do that.
Automation has created more jobs than it has destroyed. Consider the number of products available to you, the variety and the scale. It takes more people to produce and manage it all than it did in the past.
>b-but this current stage of advancement is perfect and anything more is evil
completely retarded
I don't really see the problem with this? It will only hurt the trash of society and the poor both of which are cancers to any society. So the only people left are the quality human beings.
>>74130237
You now see what I saw back in 2006 when I decided to become a programmer to persist wealth and relevance in the open market.
>>74145744
You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet, to say individuals won't be destroyed in the process of innovation is completely insincere.
> the number of products available to you, the variety and the scale.
You mean like the 800 brands and shapes of cheese that are all made in the same factory?
>>74129843
I welcome it
Free Market at work
>>74131105
Until someone chimps out and breaks it because they're too old or uneducated to understand computers. "Sorry we're closed until the machines are working again because we no longer have cash registers.
>>74132538
>make nigger collect welfare and not have to work
goodgoy.gif
>>74147333
Or because they're niggers and get pissed off because there is no chicken...
>people complain about jobs being replaced by robots, and not enough jobs to go around
Why don't we just make people work 20 hours a week and have 2 people do the job.
Give people time to spend with family and shit
>>74139709
The high schoolers at in-n-out do a pretty damn fine job making burgers.
>>74130532
And it did wonders for getting orders right and letting them hire decent workers. Damn do I miss wawa, stewarts is not at all a good substitute
>>74138499
I hate all this minimum wage increase shit but it's only 6% (500) of the workforce being laid-off over 2 years. That be like saying your local McDonald's is cutting it's labor force 6% cuz of minimum wage so they have to fire 3 people.
>>74138659
Japan has a NEET/basementdwellerfag problem because no one can work at McDonald's so they sit at home and jerk it to Chinese cartoons
>>74147975
>>74147975
Because no company is going to pay two people the "new full time" and their health insurance while keeping prices low enough to be sustainable.
>>74147975
Everyone will spend time with their families in the dark and cold because nobody can afford electricity when only 2 people get shitty incomes?
>>74140137
Governments place top priority on high-IQ and skilled workers.
Source: My boss is first gen Syrian immigrant, moved here in the 80s, very talented surgeon.
The more skilled you are, the fewer burdens there are to entering any first-world country because you will make a lot of taxable income and employ people to further tax.
>>74139450
>Trump is campaigning to bring back jobs because engineers and other college degree-required employees are mad that high school/GED manual labor jobs are going overseas
nah
>>74140593
Machine broke due to human error in making the machine, or human error via design flaw, or human user error using machine outsode machine specifications.
>>74148794
Then its the machine's error for not self correcting, an employee would at least attempt to solve or bypass the problem.
>>74143821
i like this
>>74148506
>>74148438
They'll have to, because there won't be a huge labor surplus like there was before the wall.
>>74148506
You know for a lot of people they could live off half of their current income. Especially as wages go up
>>74149026
Still human error. It is not the machine's fault that it was not programmed to be self-correcting. If a human wants a self-correcting machine, they need to program a self-correcting machine.
>>74149356
That does not compute how does halving their income by halving their hours to avoid fulltime benefits and doubling the cost of goods and services at the lowest end make it easier for poor people to live?
>>74149569
When did it become the job of intelligent people to live a crap life to make it easier for poor people?
Words for you: Cull. War. Pandemic.
That is what will happen to the useless eaters. Mark my words.
>>74150044
When they started making poor people in distant lands dependent on them so they could have more money instead of just staying at home and raising their own babies.
>>74130164
Because companies are all pushing the customer service angle. Right now it's worth it for them to employ people because it can attract people to the restaurant if they have a good customer service experience. They have some sort of statistical threshold where they can say "Humans in the restaurant brings in X% of return customers more." With minimum wage threatening to double, the math works more in the favour of the machines.
>>74130164
>>74135650
>>74135735
>>74140280
The problem is will cheapskate jewcucks be willing to pay for maintence? Old Train systems and roads are falling apart all over the world because of cheapskates.
