If Devil will deceive more people than God will save;
does that mean that Satan is more evil than God is good?
So that does also mean God lost the fight against him in relation to humanity
>>74121831
How is this related to politics in anyway shape or form
Read the bible nigga
Skip to the end
God wins
>>74122004
fucking spoilers
>>74121831
Both girls in the OP are dating Asian guys
>>74121831
It means humans are more evil than they are good, and more easily seduced by it. The evil path has always been the more tempting one, or else Noone would choose it. If good and evil were equally appealing then everyone would choose good.
>>74122189
Germany is cucked again.
>>74121831
I dont believe in god, nor satan.
I win.
Believers lost.
No. Each has his own role. God created all people and gave them the Bible as his half way to us.
The devil tempts everyone which is his half way.
People, through our own imperfection choose temptation more than we do salvation simply because we are lazy, weak-minded, and want quick pleasure instead of subscribing to a plan of long term joy.
It is not that the devil is winning over God, but rather that the people are losing to imperfection.
>>74121831
>tl;dr MERKEL IS SATAN
>>74122344
best post
>>74122004
he does win the fight against the devil, but he looses more human souls than he can save, correct me if im wrong
>>74121831
>does that mean that Satan is more evil than God is good?
no, satan can only influence he cant force
>So that does also mean God lost the fight against him in relation to humanity
it was never a fight
>>74122344
That just means theres another for the devil.
Things look bad? God knows what he's doing.
Would you rather rule a vast kingdom full of niggers and degenerates or a small settlement of righteous men? It's the whole "quality vs quantity" thing.
>>74122344
You lose.
HERES THE DEAL...
BE GOOD: WALK ON CLOUDS FOREVER
BE BAD: WALK ON FIRE FOREVER
BOTTOM LINE: AFTER ABOUT A WEEK, YOU WILL BE BORED OUT OF YOUR SOUL EITHER WAY. SO WHAT DOES IT MATTER?
ITS JUST WEAK PROGRAMMING SAUCE FOR THE MINDNUMBED IDIOTS. INVENTED BY THOSE IN POWER TO REMAIN IN CONTROL. LET IT GO.
LET IT GO.
>>74121831
Let's remember that it's catholic teaching that Lucifer was followed by only a third of the angels, precisely because God created creatures more inclined towards good than towards evil, at least angels I guess.
>>74124565
Everything is called god, it seems...
Thus, you lose.
>>74124807
Boredom doesnt exist in heaven
>>74125001
Why not? Have you been there?
>>74125104
Nothing bad exists in heaven. Not even sadness.
>>74125104
god told us in the bible m8
God was happy with just Adam, every other Child of the Covenant is just bonus.
go to blessyahowah.com
>>74123642
Your right though jesus says that the path to damnation is wide and straight and many people will take it. Doesn't mean God is less powerful than satan it just means being evil is easier.
>>74124282
What if he doesnt? What if he's lying or fucking with you? A true god is under no directive to do what you believe, or even what he told you. And based on the bible, god seems to get quite angry at times. Angry like an alcoholic, who rages without reason.
You ever have faith in a violent alcoholic?
>>74121831
>If Devil will deceive more people than God will save;
>does that mean that Satan is more evil than God is good?
No, because that would imply human beings lack agency, which is false.
>>74125193
Show me what passage it says u will not be bored in heaven!
>>74121831
>no citation
>unrelated pic
>left looks like my temptress Catholic ex gf
triggered m8
Satan was created from an infinite God so no Satan cannot be more evil than God is good.
Just because cultures ignorant to the grace of God are swayed into a Satanic lifestyle does not necessarily mean that Satan "won". The fight of redemption of the soul never ends as more people hear the word of God every day. After all God is illumination and not deception like Satan would want.
>>74124565
>nothing can move itself
>except the first mover who is so magical that he doesn't have to move itself
ok kid
Will there be jobs in heaven? Will there be endeavours in heaven?
Or will we all stand around with big smiles on our faces like a bunch of retards, filled wth love and peace for all?
>>74124808
Satan is a nigger, kek
Are there animals or plants, or insects in heaven? Or just human souls? If so, why exclude all of gods other creations?
>>74125400
>the path to damnation is wide and straight and many people will take it.
it's "for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
strait means narrow
>>74125744
He kinda looks more Brazilian desu
>>74121831
John 4:23
But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him.
>>74125824
Gay means wide
>>74122356
eighth post best post
>>74121831
Just tell me who they are for God's sake.
>>74121831
No, it means the one you this ni is God is actually Saran and the one you think is Satan is actually god.
>>74126061
>Just tell me who they are for God's sake.
see
>>74122189
They do beauty vids on Youtube and both are with Asian guys. If you want more info about them, just let me know.
>>74125964
Some religions teach that evil is a force outside ourselves that seduces us into sin. This force is sometimes thought to be generated by Satan or various demons. The faithful are encouraged to seek strength outside themselves to fight evil, by looking to God.
The Buddha's teaching could not be more different --
"By oneself, indeed, is evil done; by oneself is one defiled. By oneself is evil left undone; by oneself, indeed, is one purified. Purity and impurity depend on oneself. No one purifies another." (Dhammapada, chapter 12, verse 165)
>>74126279
NOT AN ANSWER
>>74121831
see
>>74122356
God gave us the free will with which so many of us choose the way of Satan.
>>74122262
Someone who have good testimonies of heavens, near-death-experience or if one would say; visions.
said that the ratio of going to hell or heaven is 1000:1.
But that doesnt mean that you are "good" or "bad". Gods good or bad doesnt need to be the same as what stupid people think.
One is not saved or dismissed by God through a single action.
One is saved by faith and asking for forgiveness.
Correct me if Im wrong.
>>74121831
>>74122004
Its called "Christs second coming"...
Regarding good or bad, specially check out Bill Wiese!
Pray the Lords prayer in Matthew 6:9-18 and ask Jesus Christ to show you and repent your sins, and mean it from your heart.
Afshin Javid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2-L1KIU7lao
Ian MacCormack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CsbQeCYJ0Do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N1-ezZ9hkD8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WLoc1yDYzlo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HbTAmN4m2lQ
Bill Wiese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoYCUtIRP30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G13ArSGr4es
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7rQow8NzZo Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX3Ow_VEkuM Part 2
Tamara Laroux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HGQDkCi-OIY
Mickey Robinson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xRSjzY0s0SM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=s66DchGhhD0
Howard Storm Atheist Professor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8vj0qKthCgg
Atheist Dr. Donald Whitaker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=X54dYbfCSR4
A dying mans last message
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TeE2xg3REtA
Ex-satanist confession
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6l7A4cQHxuY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZOj76xrG62k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BY6xD4dl1x8
Ugandan Pastor Shocked he would not enter Heaven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nnM_NtZfQTM
Orthodox Priests in a cave monastery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FcvPDNz9xHo
>>74126477
Saved from what? When you die, you die.
>>74125657
mongrel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ2oY7nvM-M
>>74126594
>>74126541
Bill Wiese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoYCUtIRP30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G13ArSGr4es
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7rQow8NzZo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX3Ow_VEkuM
>>74126603
The butt hurt is palpable. Thank you.
>>74126658
I aint clickin on stupid videos. Give me brief answer
>>74121831
Discussion Fiction is not related to politics.
>>74126398
>NOT AN ANSWER
>>74122189
The girl on the left in the OP with her Asian boyfriend. Do you want more info on them?
>>74126803
So go and live in Ignorance u shill
>>74127048
JUST
>>74125824
Sounds like God should have made it easier to be good than evil.
>>74121831
>If Devil will deceive more people than God will save;
Not every deception will result in sin that requires a person to be saved, and not every person that sins through the Devils deception wants to be saved.
You can only be saved when the deception that has committed you to sin becomes a burden of sin; or to say that you regret what you have done.
>>74121831
no, it means that before the fall of adam and eve God made us perfect and because we disobeyed him we are more akin to the devil, but because of God's graciousness he allowed us to repent of our sins and put in place a way for us to give our lives to him so that he can make us new and dead in our sin
>>74127082
God created everything.
Therefore god created evil.
Checkmate.
>>74127048
>looks much worse than on OP's pic
No, you were right. I accept my defeat.
>>74121831
Well according to St. Augustine, evil does not exist. What we call evil is merely the lack of good.
Similar to heat in the physical world. Cold does not exist, it is just the lack of heat.
>>74127305
Perfect creatures chose to be imperfect...
>interesting
God is a dumb fucking cunt (oh gosh darn it, just blasphemed again :/) and according a John Constantine, "mad as arseholes."
If god cared about people getting to heaven, free will wouldn't exist.
>>74122004
Fuck you, man. I haven't even finished Joshua yet.
>>74127305
Great post
>>74127326
God bless you, I hope you will find God one day.
Ask him.
>>74127444
You better read up on the laws of thermodynamics.
>>74127326
God created that which created evil through its own free will.
Dumbass
>>74127126
What do you mean he should?
One should be good because the want to be good.
Whatever "good" means.
If it would be so easy to be good, than it wouldnt be good.
One have to be good with resistance.
>>74127737
What about them?
>>74127733
Why do you wish for me something of which i have no belief or desire? I am true to myself, and good in my interactions with others.
I know your god tells you to spread his word and all, but so do almost all other religions. So there must be another reason...why?
>>74126306
>Some religions teach that evil is a force outside ourselves that seduces us into sin
people do evil things because people love darkness.
>>74128104
I honestly hope you are happy with what you do then.
>>74121831
It is harder to convince a man he's been duped than to dupe him
>>74127819
So god created a being with free will, knowing that meant choosing other than following gods way was a possibility? If so, than surely god would not hold those who made that choice in contempt, right?
>>74128273
Thank you. I am. Same to you.
>>74125704
Will there be walls in heaven?
>>74121904
Since when was /pol/ about politics. It's about memes like any other board.
>>74125893
>>74128201
So god created people with this affinity for darkness? Why?
"deceive"
like forgiveness isn't possible...
>>74128104
>I am true to myself, and good in my interactions with others.
I am true to myself
no one is good
Proverbs 3:
Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding.
Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Isaiah 64:6
We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment. We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
>>74128426
Oh yeah! And they are infinite in height!
Scientists can literally switch off a person's morality if they sedate the right neurons. Meaning they could literally turn the most devout god fearing man into an apathetic, remorseless monster. The religious ideas of evil are complete nonsense.
>>74125704
>Will there be jobs in heaven? Will there be endeavours in heaven?
>Or will we all stand around with big smiles on our faces like a bunch of retards, filled wth love and peace for all?
that second option sounds pretty good to me
i like smiles and love and peace
working is a punishment that adam received in the garden
most people in the world would rather retire today than continue working
it takes a blessed person to actually enjoy their toil on this earth
>>74121831
All it means is that evil in the short term seems more fun than good in the short term--after all, what matters more than you having a good time? The thing is, evil in the long term is infinitely worse than good in the long term
>>74128546
Bill Wiese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoYCUtIRP30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G13ArSGr4es
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7rQow8NzZo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX3Ow_VEkuM
>>74128631
you don't have to tell me m8 i know its real.
>>74128426
Look it up in Revelation. It's described in great detail. Big beautiful walls, with 12 big beautiful doors adorned with gold and precious stones.
>>74121831
The christians believe that from when Christ was crucified until tribulation is the day of grace. Once revelation begins we will be in the time of tribulation. Revelation is nuanced and dense, but in a nutshell, yes the earth and its people will be over run by degeneracy and evil (including a global govt) and eventually the earth will be destroyed but not before the return of Christ, who will call the "faithful" home either before or after (a point of contention theologically) tribulation.
The idea is that the humanity is destined for apocalypse and destruction (sorry no replicators and galactic exploration), but the earthly destruction is a necessary step in the path to the eventual heavenly existence. Santan will destroy the earth and mortal man, only to be cast out from the perfect heavenly existence which is to occur after the destruction of the earth. The lost souls will be cast into hell at the white throne judgement, and the saved will join Christ in heaven.
This is what some of them believe at least, when you try to put revelation in a nutshell it sounds insane. it's a bizarre read and very very metaphorical, but it's actually a though provoking myth about the fate of man, even if you only read it as myth.
>>74128546
So dont be true to myself and just trust god? That makes no sense if in fact he did create me with a rational brain.
>>74127048
Off to /r/AsianMasculinity with you boy.
>>74128590
>Scientists can literally switch off a person's morality if they sedate the right neurons.
you can call anything you want anything
just because scientists can observe a phenomena now and give it a name doesnt mean it isnt the same supernatural process of the old days
so if a demon leaves or enters a individuals brain nobody ever said there couldnt be an actual physical component to what that actually entails
>>74128590
That sounds very interesting. Care to provide a link? I'm on my phone and don't want to exit the thread
>>74127048
>dat pic
qt chicks confirmed for prefering ugly losers
chadlets btfo
>>74128847
>Christ will call the faithful home
So only those one or two generations of humans alive at that point in time get to go to heaven? What about the rest of us now? What about my dead grandpa? He was good...
>>74128323
Why wouldn't he hold that which made an evil choice in contempt? What you're saying makes no sense.
God wants quality, not quantity
>>74128870
>if in fact he did create me
he did. who would you trust your brain, or God who has the power to give live and who made the universe
>>74129198
life*
>>74129124
Because why would he create us with free will?
If i gave my toddler the choice of a teddy bear, or a magic marker, and he chose magic marker - then proceeded to write on the walls; how could I get mad?
>>74129190
>God wants quality, not quantity
absolutely wrong on both points
he wants the lowest quality of people, and he also wants all men to be saved
Matthew 19:30
But many who are first will be last, and the last will be first.
1 Timothy 2:4
who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
>>74121831
There is no evil without good.
There is no good without evil.
They are balanced perspectives of the same entity.
Which you choose to accept as which, is your own prerogative.
The very nature of "good/evil" is the assumption that humans are somehow in control.
We were not, are not, and can never be.
The control over the universe that we believe ourselves to exert is an illusion.
Nothing more than mosquitoes or mold, or any other nature of parasitic creatures.
>>74124565
>My name is Thomas Aquinas and if I don't understand something it must be god.
>>74129190
Your excluded then...
>>74128590
Bullshit. There's no piece of scientific equipment capable of doing such an invasive procedure, NOR is the complex interplay of neurons bouncing off each other so simple that certain pieces of the brain could be turned off to so finely tune a personality, without compromising entire segments akin to brain damage.
>>74129442
False equivalency
Again, you make no sense.
>>74121831
Do you measure good and evil by soul count?
If so, how did you arrive at this conclusion, if not, well, then, your entire question becomes obfuscated.
>>74129198
I trust my brain.
>>74129442
adam had full brain capacity and he rebelled against god willfully
>give your son everything in the universe do whatever you want
>doesnt obey one simple thing
adam clearly is the one who is in the wrong
>>74129198
Considering my parents gave me life, I trust them a bit more than a reclusive skyfairy.
FYI "God" didn't seed this planet, but that's something humans will have to come to terms with in the future.
>>74128971
Yeah I mean not to be prick but the best way to read it is just to go through revelation in the Bible. But if you aren't familiar with the rest of the text it won't have a whole lot of value or make much sense.
I would recommend just reading the New Testament. It's a ubiquitous text, which is necessary for understanding many of the themes and references of the best art and literature from most of history. It's one of the most important cultural and historical documents in existence, even if you think it's garbage.
To answer your question, the best link I can give you is just to find a copy of the Bible in something like Holman Christian Standard. Give it a read through, it will make classical literature so much more understandable. Shakespeare and Ben Johnson, as well as any Renaissance artwork, you almost can't appreciate unless you have a command of the biblical references and such. It's just a ubiquitous cultural theme.
>>74129787
>>give your son everything in the universe do whatever you want
DO WHATEVER YOU WANT
HE DID WHAT HE WANTED, YET NOW HES IN TROUBLE?
>bad parenting tbth
>>74129997
>disobeying an order from God himself
>BUT...CHOICES
Victim mentality at its finest, folks.
If god created imperfect creatures,
Then god is imperfect.
An imperfect god is not the real true god.
All gods are imperfect,
Therefore, there is no god.
>>74129997
ya but being that he didnt follow that one command shows a disregard for god after he just provided you with everything in the universe
if your dad was a 100 billionaire and said you have to just not do crack anymore and you can inherit the full 100 billion but then he keeps doing crack
well you done fucked up you obvioously dont even give a shit
>>74121904
Politically incorrect doesn't mean politics you dolt.
>>74129840
These are the true seeds of humanity, not some hand-waving God.
http://www.panspermia.org/pressreleasemiltbcab2013.pdf
Whether or not we are our own creations is the real nut.
>>74129537
>>74128971
>>74128968
http://news.mit.edu/2010/moral-control-0330
My bad. The news is pretty old and I did read it a while back. It was actually magnetic fields they used not manipulation of neurons.
Not turning someone into a full psychopath, more like an Adrien Veidt (watchmen) type remorseless evil.
>>74127126
That comes from within my man. God doesn't force us to do anything, He has given us the ability to love Him, or reject Him. Many people will reject Him.
>>74130297
>if God created imperfect creatures then God is imperfect
Nice assertion, bro.
>>74130667
i could have less serotonin in my brain naturally because my diet is shit which causes me to be less of a noble character with motivation for good deeds
thats the faulty flesh of this universe and eventually will be put away with when the rapture comes
if you can do some magic trick to make people more evil then thats just showing the evil coming upon the earth even more
it doesnt mean god doesnt exist because man can observe and manipulate gods creation in detail today............
i dont understand why people think that. god created all the physical components and spiritual components
>>74127461
Yep. Eve was deceived in the Garden of Eden. We were perfect, but at the time we still had the ability to choose. God doesn't makes us slaves, never made us to be slaves either. The is what Satan tries to do.
>>74129442
Because we aren't slaves that is why.
>>74129525
No, on the contrary. He understood things so deeply the only rational explanation was God.
>>74121831
that means God is incompetent. God is not real.
>>74130667
>“It doesn’t completely reverse people’s moral judgments, it just biases them,” says Saxe.
I could do the same with pic related.
>>74130429
This board is for the discussion of news, world events, political issues, and other related topics.
>god is omnipotent
>god makes satan lucifer knowing he would betray him
>>74121831
>believing in God
>Germany
Please stop and make some more BSDM porn
>>74131137
Funny how you keep talking about Him, what He is and what He isn't.
You will continue to do so too, until the die you die. Funny how that works. People who reject God spend their whole lives thinking about Him.
>>74131137
*tips fedora*
>>74131284
lmao how is that an argument against omnipotence?
Do you know what that word means?
>>74131284
You should look up what omnipotent actually means.
>>74131268
The spread of the evil virus of Islam, versus the less evil virus of Christanity is quite current, senpai.
>>74131441
It means EVERYTHING makes you hard.
>>74131268
>discussing one of the most controversial topics (religion) that spans the globe and impacts billions of lives
>somehow that's not related
Sounds pretty relevant, don't you think?
>>74130297
>>74130916
It is not that he is imperfect for creating imperfect creatures.
Originally, Adam and Eve were perfect, the only reason they became imperfect is because God gave the reigns of free will over to them so it was their responsibility to remain perfect.
We were perfect because we had free will, otherwise we would have been slaves to God's Will which then would obviously make the people perfect, but it would ruin the purpose of giving life if you are going to run it all yourself. That's not a life.
If God maintained control over the will of Adam and Eve, then Satan would not have been able to tempt them therefore maintaining their perfection.
In the most clearest sense I can put it, God did not follow the saying "if you want something done right, do it yourself," because he is a team player and gave creative control to the little guy, but the little guy didn't know how to handle it and failed the team.
Blaming God for our imperfection is synonymous to saying trust, free will, and family are evil. Because those are all what God invested in us.
This is why God told us not to eat the fucking fruit of good and evil. We'd be blinded to everything important by petty questions that only an infinite and all-powerful being can answer.
>>74131284
and how do you know what happened before time in another dimension possibly trillions of years ago
its not as simple as that stupid omnipotent philosophy meme
god wasnt sitting around one day and said i think ill make an angel just so i can have an antagonist and star in a reality tv show and be superman
>>74130934
The fact remains we have all the physical proof that no god is necessary. As opposed to not a single shred of proof in favor of some "spiritual realm" beyond what we're aware of.
>>74131211
The difference is knowing you're intoxicated with alcohol, knowing full well it inhibits decision making. As opposed to walking through somewhere the EM field is changing.
Difference is awareness I'm saying.
>>74132340
The Bible is physical proof and it has never been wrong.
>god doesn't just will satan out of existence
>>74132340
>no god is necessary.
necessary for what?
youre going to die dude.
you might die in 20 minutes
you know how fucking flimsy this earthly shell is
im glad your entertained and caught up in the spectacle of gods creation but its futile with no hope therein
theres nothing wrong with being involved in the scientific community but you dont have to be an atheist rejecter of god to do that
>>74131800
Thank you
>>74132477
It could be if anything in it could be proven. Unfortunately to this day there hasn't been any proof that it wasn't completely made up.
>>74132772
More or less not concerned with where my eternal soul lands. If your faith rests on a foundation solely of avoiding hell, its not very strong.
You can be a good person with/without religion. And I do believe good people should have a good afterlife if one exists. But if it takes the threat of eternal damnation and torture to make you good, then you're not really that good in the first place.
>>74123642
Well that is an interesting prospective; haven't really thought of it that way
>>74132477
What about the quran or the torah or other religions books?
>still believing in stone-age fairy tales
>discussing it with straight face
>>74133759
>believing there was ever a stone age
>professing belief with straight face
Also in the bible its written, after the end of the world the rebellion against god will be ended
does that mean, he will destroy them enitrely after they suffered through hell or what?
>>74121831
Stop wasting what little time you have on this earth thinking and talking about obvious bullshit.
>Mfw when I write that and realise i'm on 4chan
You know what, enjoy germany for all its remaning past glory.
>>74133461
Oh so the Ocean doesn't really contain deep valleys and mountains?
>>74133614
Long discussion. None of the Jewish books contain the Gospels, Jews hate Jesus and say He is in hell. The Qu'ran is evil.
>>74123642
isnt the people who save themself? like by following Jesus
>>74134013
time get yourself more comfiest new bigger tinfoil hat
>>74133759
*tips fedora*
>>74134301
Exactly. But not everyone does. They think it is a made up fairy tale.
why does god make people who go to hell? since he knows everything he knows before he even creates you what your destiny will be (salvation or damnation), but he still makes you anyway? free will does not matter because god still knows the outcome
>>74128590
And anyone dies if you blow up their brain, even if they are the most or least religious man on earth.
>>74125190
>Find out your son is actually going to hell forever since he didn't believe in god
>You won't be even capable about feeling sad about that
>>74123642
>>74133526
Which, according to human perspective on good and evil, this exactly what is supposed to happen.
To give a historical plurality, look and the allies versus the Nazis in WW2, and more specifically D-Day and on. The Nazis had control of all of France, there was small resistance groups within but it wasn't widespread enough. Nazis got France on lock. D-Day happens, thousands die and a major sacrifice for the Allies and this was a one chance situation. The invasion is successful and it leads to a steamroll over France and into Germany where the war is won. Good won over evil (assuming the allies were good if you aren't a fascist)
This is exactly what has been happening with God vs the devil. Jesus was D-Day. His sacrifice led to a direct offer of salvation instead of all souls being lost. Of course God isn't steamrolling over evil, but this will happen as soon as everything is in place.
Meaning all the profecies being fulfilled and the tribulation happening until Jesus can come back and destroy evil. This is paralleled by the only reason we could steamroll through France was because the Russians were in place on the other side plus our front coming up from Northern Africa into Italy.
I hope this makes sense.
>>74134245
Dont get where you're going with that oceans thing, but yes they do.
>>74134535
maybe God knows every future that can happen but we make our own
>>74121831
god created evil, therefore god is evil
fuck god, fuck his blind followers, fuck this existence
>>74128847
Thank you for your contribution, you write very well.
>>74121831
it means that Christians are idolaters and that none of the main religions are correct
>>74134759
so you're saying god knows all the paths, but not necessarily the path we choose? doesn't that violate omniscience?
>>74134013
there was a stone age in the sense of there was an age where stone tools and weapons were the paramount of technological innovation just as there was a bronze and iron age.
But the notion of neanderthals that were half monkey who rode on triceratops (hyperbole) is ridiculous, I agree.
>>74134843
i dont know
>>74134689
Yeah, the Bible always said that. There was a time we believed it was flat.
>>74134535
>>74134759
He is right.
God knows all possible outcomes to our lives. We make the choices.
>>7413476
God did not create evil.
>>74134843
I'm not sure about that. If anything it reinforces omniscience but adds the realm of free will. Therefore he's never technically wrong.
I am now a #CruzMissle
>>74131768
Are you kidding me?
>>74134935
>God knows all possible outcomes to our lives. We make the choices.
But since God knows everything, God knows all the choices you will make, and knows whether those choices will lead you to salvation or damnation. It doesn't matter what we choose to do, because God has always known the outcome anyway. There is no free will.
God created people who go to hell. Why? Doesn't God love people?
>>74131768
>news, world events, political issues
How is OPs post related to that
>>74126594
ugh, temporalfags are so fucking bland and empty
>>74134682
How can you be on /pol/ and not know the nazis were the good guys?
>>74135155
maybe when you are doing something wrong and God knows it's going to be bad for you, he gives you a hand, if you dont take it your are making your own damnation
>>74134908
neanderthals riding dino's?
do you even know how Google works?
i do understand american education is total shit, but at least stop pretending and act smart, you only digging youown grave this way
>>74134522
>hat meme
>>74135348
Still, God knows before he even creates you that you will or will not accept his help. If he knows you won't accept his help, and you won't achieve salvation, why does he still create you? If God really loved you, why would he create you knowing fully well that you will end up with eternal suffering?
>>74133461
its not based on avoiding hell exclusively its based on the word of god
god doesnt care if you think youre a good enough person to go to heaven
that would be human logic" im good enough ill just reject christ for no reason and be on my way ,well see what happens"
god has a specific way of handling things not just weeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllll ok ur a nice guy sometimes
>>74121904
thinly veiled cuck thread
>>74127126
yeah typical fucking bitch wants the easy way out, it's a test, stupid. challenge breeds reward
>>74134843
He does. That is why it is such a big deal about spreading the word of the Bible.
Mark 16:15
"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."
Everyday we are faced with choices. God is the way, He shows us the way. Other people also try to show us the way, some of us choose to reject it. God is always trying to bring us back to Him though.
>>74135526
maybe he knowing your salvation, he still have hope you will follow that future
>>74134236
you're totally right
I will have to try
>>74135155
Here.
>>74135627
>>74135526
maybe people who go to hell arent actually people they have serpent dna mixed in
they lost their soul along the way
>>74135627
Why would God create people who reject him in the first place? Doesn't he love them?
>>74135630
>hope
God doesn't need hope. God knows EVERYTHING. God knows everything you've ever done or will do. Therefore God knows whether you will accept him or reject him.
Why would God "hope" for an outcome when he already knows the outcome? There's nothing to hope for. It's like saying I know it's mathematically impossible for my favorite sports team to win, but I still hope they do. It makes no sense.
>>74121831
>does that mean that Satan is more evil than God is good?
Nah, it only means most people are stupid fucks. Just look at who all you deal with every day.
>>74135541
But it's not for no reason. I don't see why I should worship, read doctrine, pray, recruit others for some being I don't believe in and can't prove.
If god chooses to punish me for not having the faith then so be it. But faith, like trust is something earned.
>>74135526
This is wrong. Remember the paths we mentioned earlier. God is always trying to have a relationship with us, even just before we die. We choose to reject Him, or love Him. God does not condemn anyone from the get go, in fact, that is the exact reason why Jesus came to the Earth. So our sins can be forgiven. But we have to seek it, we have to make the choice to accept it, to learn it, to follow it, and ultimately, carry the message to other people the best we can.
>>74135813
He doesn't. We choose to reject Him.
Also
>>74136155
>>74134535
>>74134759
I think (speculation here) that, because of either God's gift of free will allowing us to make our own decisions, or because of Adam and Eve's eating of the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, God knows the path of humaity and the outcome as described in the Bible, but he does not know every individuals' personal decisions, just their past and their role in society/what contribution they will make towards others. Sort of like he is the bumper rails on a bowling lane at a bowling alley, keeping the ball out of the gutter.
Or God created these people for a Butterfly Effect situation which leads to a list of events causing those who he know will be saved to be saved.
God doesn't exist in an Abrahamic term so your question is moot
>>74135347
It's not hard to both be on /pol/ and not be retarded
>>74135813
you can choose whether you will accept him or reject him, God knows the end of those two paths but you take the choice
>>74124565
>>74134637
I think a mourning for lost souls might be present in heaven, but it could simply be a realization that sadness would be a useless emotion in this situation because it is eternal damnation and longing is futile, therefore joy will be present for what one's son/ other familiar person had contributes to others and a cherish-ment of the good times with that person.
>>74135992
no its not salvation by works its salvation by grace and faith alone
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Those other things are not required for salvation but it would be a benefit/blessing to your life to do all those things because god created the universe and the scriptures which point to the highest form of living automatically which you only discover by growing in the faith
but ye you have to believe in Jesus though
just ask him to save you thats basically the leap of faith really
>>74136242
You're close.
God desires for everyone to be saved.
1 Timothy 2:3-4
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.…
>>74121831
humans are arrogant and think their lives have meaning. they think higher beings would give a shit about them on a personal level and actively fight over them
this at best is a proxy war. you think america cares what happens to the people of the baltics? if you do your a idiot
>>74121831
>If Devil will deceive more people than God will save,does that mean that Satan is more evil than God is good?
No it means the people have a right to fuck themselves up if the choose to do so, it is entirely upon them as God created humans to be free to choose the path of righteousness or temptation.
>So that does also mean God lost the fight against him in relation to humanity
God wins, a lowly fallen angel cannot compete
>>74136508
James 2:14-26
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
Both are needed. Luckily, true faith leads to works. But do not believe the wicked man, who perpetrates wicked acts, can simply profess faith and be saved. For we will all be measured according to our works.
>>74136211
>He doesn't. We choose to reject Him.
How many times do I have to say this... God knows you will reject him! Doesn't God know everything? Of course he does.
God makes people who reject him, then punishes them with eternal damnation, even though he made them that way. He's an asshole.
>>74135364
That's why I said
>(hyperbole)
as in an exaggeration, and in context, for jocular purposes. Also in reference to the cartoon show The Flintstones. It was a nod of recognition of the green text poking fun of the existence of a Stone Age in the knowledge sphere of the person I responded to.
>>74136682
Since you are convinced humans are so arrogant, which takes arrogance itself by the way, none of us have any reason to consider what you say.
>>74136242
>but he does not know every individuals' personal decisions
So God is NOT omniscient?
>>74136682
You think it be like it do. It don't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO3auFJYiKU
Every piece is a whole of the one.
>>74136682
theres a scale of human value 1-100
you can say they have infinite value (christian) value of 100
or no value (nihilism ) value of 1
its you just guessing in a lower value asyour subjective opinion theres no reason why we couldnt be infinitely valuable
think about it
>>74136750
>Can faith save him?
notice how theres no answer to that question because the answer is yes it can save him...
faith without works is dead in a productive sense like someone who sits on the couch all day and doesnt do anything
you produce no value which is very important for god to mention because he wants ppl to advance the kingdom
>>74136849
let make it simple, do you reject God right now?
>>74137208
CATHOLIC GENERAL
>>74137213
If we're talking about the Christian god, I'd say I don't reject it, because I don't believe it exists.
More broadly, I don't believe personal gods exist.
>>74137001
Like I said, speculation. I think as another anon stated, he knows all possible outcomes which I would say would be real omniscience and the only variable is the free will of man.
This is one of those situations where the overused corrupted statement "God works in mysterious ways" is appropriate because this is beyond our comprehension. The only way to know his reason why he creates people who will not be saved is to get the answer directly from him.
>>74136849
No, he does not make people that are going to reject Him.
God desires for everyone to be saved.
1 Timothy 2:3-4
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.…
Try this
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/destined.html
>>74137199
There is an answer. It comes at the end of the verse.
>Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
Again as I said, we are measured according to our works.
"If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man according to his works?"
Proverbs 24:12, KJV
"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works."
Matthew 16:27, KJV
"And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:"
1 Peter 1:17, KJV
". . . I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works."
Revelation 2:23b, KJV
"And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them."
Revelation 14:13, KJV
"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works."
Revelation 20:12-13, KJV
>>74137472
so you have no faith about God
>>74136849
Its a bioware game. You got 2 options. God knows the ending to both and every little quest and NPC you talk to will either make you good or evil. Choose the right dialogue options for the good ending.
>>74121904
This is why we need a /rel/ board
>>74137831
the faith being dead doesnt mean you go to hell it means your faith is dead, non operative
and they wont be receiving any rewards for the lack of well doing
>>74140058
Which means they won't go to Heaven, the reward of our works is Heaven or Hell. Nothing else.
Faith is what makes salvation possible, our works testify for each of us, if we are found lacking, touch luck.
So by faith being dead, you are definitely not getting into Heaven. Because that is what makes salvation possible in the first place.
No faith = No Heaven
No works = no faith
>>74140385
no gospel is very simple
John 3:15
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
if you are trying to save yourself with works
you got major problems i would be worried
the rewards its talking about is additional goodies when we get to heaven like a better mansion or a crown or a robe or stuff like that
its in corinthians it explains all that i forget the chapter
>>74136370
You do know the role of international banks in the world wars right? And they were the descendants of the Pharisees. Guess if Jesus would side with or against them.
>>74140794
Yeah the Gospel is very simple.
James 2:14-26
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
"If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man according to his works?"
Proverbs 24:12, KJV
"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works."
Matthew 16:27, KJV
"And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:"
1 Peter 1:17, KJV
". . . I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works."
Revelation 2:23b, KJV
"And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them."
Revelation 14:13, KJV
"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works."
Revelation 20:12-13, KJV
Works come from faith. Faith does not get you into Heaven, faith is what makes Heaven possible. Our works are what give us the ticket in.
>>74127048
he's not even handsome asian, what the fuck
>>74141403
dude we all know that were all going to be judged everything we do
the bible isnt always talking about whos going to hell though
the Father has layed out the criteria blatantly of what is required to go to eternal life
John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
hes not going to change his mind on judgement day and say "NVM little johnny didnt obey his parents enough im gonna revoke my statement in John 6:40"
god can never lie
btw i can come up with 10 faith alone scriptures like you did and post them i just dont have it on copy paste sorry lol
heres my favorite verse
Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness."
>>74141773
>And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works."
Revelation 20:12-13, KJV
James 2:14-26
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
You literally want to pick one passage in the Bible, and ignore everything else it has to say about getting into Heaven.
James says it himself, he asks us a question. Then he answers it for us.
>faith alone is dead
To ignore this is to ignore scripture.
You could go ahead and post away. You would still only be using a few pieces of the whole puzzle.
>>74141773
By the way, key word in John 6:40 is "may".
>may have everlasting life:
Not will, but may. Which goes directly back to the others verses I have been showing you this whole conversation.
>>74142344
none of those verses say anything about the criteria for going to heaven
all those people were in hell already but people who are in for a life sentence still get court hearings dont they
>but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?
it doesnt profit anyone anything its dead! god would be infuriated with you if you didnt help the destitute christian
hes still going to heaven if he has faith because of what Jesus did on the cross
its set in stone in gods word
nothing about hellfire in that verse
>>74142545
I hope you are kidding. I really do. As I said, ignoring the rest of the puzzle.
Revelations 20:12-15
"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
>books open
>judged by works
>the judgement of our works land our name in the book of life, or not
It is entirely about getting into Heaven.
Read Revelations. This isn't about what you say, nor what I say. This is about what the Bible says, a lot of which, you conveinently ignore.
>>74142485
I do hope you understand friend that in the english language, "may" is just a variotion of the word "will" or "shall" and is properly used in a sentence where is goes "that every one [. . . ] may"
It's just like if I said "I took my pajamas off so that I may put some pants on," I'm not saying that now that my pajamas of there is a 50/50 chance that I might put my pants on because I said "may." I will most definitely be putting my pants on.
Stop picking words out of context and ignoring the actual meanings of the words you pick. It's not subjective. It is a clear statement that everlasting life is an assurance if one believes in him.
I could also pick out the word "on" out of "and believeth on him" and say that no one will get everlasting life because they didn't believe directly on Jesus's body.
Just no, dear friend.
If Satan is real then I'm just going to sin until I get on his good side.
>>74143047
the book of life was written before time who god chose to come to faith in christ
yes we will all give an account for every word we have ever said and every deed and all that
thats not what determines your eternal destiny
though .
its a separate judgement
look up "bema seat of christ " on google i think thats what they call it
its like a side judgment for believers who are already guaranteed to go to heaven
idk if i believe in all that i havnt looked into it a lot but works salvation come on m8
>>74143640
Are you a Calvinist?
>>74143404
Tell me where the Bible says that in the End we are judged by our faith.
>>74121831
Who is that Goddess on the left?
>>74145869
Nevermind I read the thread
I am fucking devastated, she could do so much better than this >>74127048
Beauty wasted.
>>74127048
Not the same person.
>>74146857
>>74146084
>Not the same person.
LOL at your denial
>>74147346
>>Not the same person.
She has a nice body also. Seriously alot of your anon have to accept that Asian guys get the very BEST white girls.
>>74121831
the two specimen in OPs photo are splendid examples of beauty. Whether one trusts in anything enough to derive faith, one will always be undeniably veering to the benefit of that which is sacred, worth a sacrifice and beautiful. All are capable of evil, all are capable of good. The eternal balance will see parabols of the two, and the correction. The only honest evil becomes of a man who would betray this correction when the opportunity for preservation is most dire.
>>74122344
it only means your life is so meaningless (fakt) that you can't begin to understand a metaphor for your waste of opportunity.
i.e. you're a tool
inb4 wahh I lead my own destiny meow meow I think I'm clever cuz I subscribed to the neutral ride-a-long flume ride of can't read into it and discern own philosophies.
you consider selling your asshole to more appropriated souls? and then to the inmates when you become man enough to take a stance instead of "comfy"
>>74131116
this
>>74148120
>Seriously alot of your anon have to accept that Asian guys get the very BEST white girls
How to spot a chink: The Post
>>74151938
Lol too true
>>74136750
If you knew the truth you'd spit at the bible and reject it in it's entirety right now. It's all a big lie. It within it's self is the great deception. Go to the time before hebrew scriptures.Marduk the coward struck a deal with the angels that put mankind in service to the angels. James is trying to convince you to take on his job. He was nothing more than a cowardly jew who seeks to keep those annunaki angel ancestors of his in power.
