Your friend posts this.
What do you tell him?
If you think unfriend, imagine you are very personally close but ideologically separate.
I don't have a goybook so what the fuck is even going on here
>>74105649
I would tell him that once you start giving people shit for free, no one will have incentive to work hard.
>inb4slipperslopefallicy
It's a goddamn fact. Why would I work hard at a job 40+ hr's a week if I can get food and shelter without working?
I'd tell him he is wrong because it is not money that drives the economy but ultimately productivity. If everything was given to people for free they would become lazy and uninterested in maximizing human potential. Money is the perfect incentivizer because it links humanity's natural propensity to self interest with our overall goal of advancing as a species. Take that away and we succumb to our own worthlessness.
>>74105649
He's right though.
We have this completely broken system where we can't solve a problem for cheap because we don't want to, but then have to solve the problem a more expensive way in the end.
For instance, we don't want to house homeless people for $7,200 a year, instead we spend $30,000 a year on the extra medical care and homeless shelters, and eventual prison sentence. People literally commit crime so they can get a free house, food, and medical care since they can't survive any other way.
Speaking of crime, we won't fund drug treatment centers, but we will imprison people for using drugs.
We refuse to have universal healthcare, but are perfectly fine with letting people go to the ER and not pay, and let our prices and insurance costs get jacked up. It's hundreds of times more expensive, but we do it anyway.
We won't fund abortion, but we will fund childcare. (But not directly of course, that would be too cheap.)
Nearly everything the government does is more expensive that it needs to be, but we can't do it the easier way because we don't want to seem like we're giving away free stuff, even though we give away the free stuff in a more expensive way.
But why build homes if we'll get them for free? Why work a job if you'll give me the food for free?
>>74105649
i ignore it because im an adult who can do that
>>74106029
>>74106163
>>74106234
If that's all it is,
Then why don't you work exactly hard enough to cover your food and shelter costs, and then stop working for the rest of the month?
It's almost like you have a reason to work other than shelter and food.
>>74105649
>Living beings who only want to continue living in peace and safety
Nature doesn't work that way. You need to produce the food. If they can eat ,it's because someone else produced it.
Civilization were built on commerce. It's the trade economy.
Nature doesn't give a shit about you being hungry. If you want to eat you gotta earn it
Start a polite conversation and hope we enlighten each other
>>74105649
Im pretty sure if you expect every thing handed to you for doing nothing and being a fucking brown person then you are profoundly retarded.
>>74106439
Do you think I work? I'm on social welfare.
Government pays my bills.
>>74106439
Because most jobs will fire you for not showing up to work after the first few weeks you dumb cunt
Besides, many people do exactly that with internet and work from home jobs these days
>>74106439
>It's almost like you have a reason to work other than shelter and food.
Ever heard of "greed is good" locution? Greed is the thing that drives humanity forward.
>>74106626
This
>>74105649
Feel good politics don't work and would cause anarchy/chaos to a degree that would destroy society as a whole if implemented to the extent that he appears to want
>>74106439
>work assigns me 40 hours a week
>Actually boss, I just want enough hours to pay my food and shelter costs!
>Get fired because no one wants to employee someone who's only available to work a couple days a week
Living beings...there is absolutely nothing easier especially in a societies where women do not have equal rights to pop someone into "living".
The idea anyone deserves anything for the mere reason he is is stupid.
>>74105649
>if
I would tell him I do not look at the world and say that, therefore making his entire argument moot.
>>74105649
Ask them to name the leader of the system.
>>74105649
Not everyone deserves a house. Home, sure, house, no
>>74106439
>Only work enough to cover expenses
>car breaks down
>mechanic refuses to fix it for free
>parts supplier refuses to give me theirs for free
>car yard refuses to give me a new car for free
Fucking greedy kikes don't want to give me things because I only did the bare minimum can't they see how destructive they are?
>>74105649
I don't let myself get close to people who subscribe to this kind of whiny, radical bullshit. I've cut people out of my life for consistently talking about shit like this and I regret none of it.
>economy collapses
>run out of food, shelter and money
Yes, totally a better decision. Well done, bleeding heart liberals.
>>74107480
>Companies totally have no incentive to employ part-time workers even though it gets them out of providing benefits.
Where are all these people that should have hoards of cash because they only care about housing and feeding themselves?
Also you could easily rewrite the statement as 'work normal 40 hour workweek for a year and use cash to just pay for food and housing for X time after quitting.' instead of doing it on a monthly basis.
>>74105649
>thinking that the reason people don't give money for free is because they think "earning" it has anything to do with it
why do we care about the opinion of children
Who here actually wants a government powerful enough to decide who eats what and when?
>>74106178
Offering them food, shelter, health care, all of that shit doesn't treat the fundamental problems that these people have with society, though.
Maybe for a small percentage, but speaking from experience most people who don't want to be on the street simply wont. They wont push it, they wont abuse the trust of their family and friends, they won't get themselves thrown out repeatedly.
The people who live this way do it because they refuse to change their lives for the better. They'd rather be king nothing of the tent city or be left alone to their own devices (drugs) than change their situation.
I know this because I have been homeless, I have had friends who have been (some still are) homeless. I've watched people live in tents and under bridges by choice because they would rather run amok and shoot up than participate in society. They're running from people or from the law and the easiest way to fly under the radar is to be a fucking vagabond. It's easier to lay around and beg for money than it is to work for a living or raise your children or explain to your family you're a worthless degenerate.
Giving them a roof over their heads doesn't make fuck all of a difference, no half way house or shelter or anything is going to change it. There is help out there for the people who want it and need it.
>>74105649
>ECONOMIC COLLAPSE
ECONOMIC COLLAPSE
>ECONOMIC COLLAPSE
ECONOMIC COLLAPSE
Literally how do these people live like this
>>74108185
explain yourself retard
The only argument here is if you believe his above quote "if we give it away for free they won't have earned it". Who would support that position? It is a weak position in the sense that it assumes there is a giant surplus of resources in the way of land, homes, food, etc. and the government is in the position where it can just give free homes away? The only way something like that would be possible is if citizens signed deals with banks to trade bank owned homes for their labor somehow. This country is based upon the fact that you get nothing for free unless you make it yourself and if you want to work for a state that will give you the same as every citizen, move to a socialist country.
Is it safe to say that if a country has more empty homes than it has homeless people, there is an underlying problem from a humanist perspective? I think yes.
I mean, obviously in a capitalist system, you can't just give away housing. Nonetheless, we actually do have more empty housing than we have homeless people in the USA.
It's quite easy for a person to look at just that fact and say there's no reason for people to be homeless.
But let's not mince words - homelessness is a choice. There are safety nets. If someone is just willing to use them, they can have housing, and food, from the government. They can obtain furnishings, electronics, and other household items from charitable organizations. And they don't have to work at all, they can just sit around and do nothing, forever. It will be a rough life on the perimeter of society, but when you have nothing to offer, that's what you get in return in the USA.
If someone is too proud, or just too lazy, to take advantage of charity, they're also too proud for me to feel sorry for them.
As an American, you are already doing everything you should be doing for the homeless simply by paying your taxes.
Could you do more? Of course you could. But if you do, you are wasting your time and resources on people who simply aren't worth your time and resources.
who's going to make all that stuff?
I like having free shit but it's not that hard to figure out that somebody has to make that.
I subvertet two best friends into nationalistic chauvinistic selfishness (everything for the Russians, fuck the others), you won't scare me with this.
Although thetr is this one girl who I used to date who is moving to fucking Ukraine and it's embarrassing. I won't argue with her, she's a lefty liberal social media queen anyways.
>>74105649
>babbys first economy view
And if noone had an army, we would have world peace.
>>74105649
He's right. Your brain is tiny and can-t think beyond the system you were born in. You are not visionary and pretty much a sheep
>>74105649
Tell him those homes didn't build themselves.
They were built by hard working people who are driven by the desire to not be homeless themselves.
If they were given everything they wouldn't have a reason to work hard and build homes and then the system would collapse.
>>74105649
I ignore it because he's entitled to his own opinions even if I don't agree with him.
I support her argument and I'm an economist. The system has become so twisted in the last 50 years that it's about time it turns to shit.
When did /pol/ become a communist shithole? Is this a flood of berniefags from reddit or something? Fucking kill yourselves
>>74105649
>peace and safety
That's where he's wrong. Human beings do not want peace and safety. They want resources and power, and they will do whatever it takes to acquire more of either.
The people in charge of distribution of these things, in the case that they are manually distributed, will simply keep more for themselves.
>>74109370
B-but it hasn't even been tried!
>>74107480
I know a friend who had that happen to him, he said he didn't needed that much money and he only wanted to work 20 hours a week and he got fired
>>74109370
Yeah /pol/ has become such a commie shithole that tards are advocating for a leftypol board every other day in /qa/ because they have to actually discuss shit instead of having a hugbox
>>74106439
>need $ to buy food, water, shelter
>get a job at a factory
>owner of factory needs to sell x product to make enough $ to buy food, water, shelter, and to sustain his factory and advance it in order to make more $
>consumer of factory owner's product uses $ he got from his job at another factory to buy food, water, etc
the list goes on, and all parties rely on the consumer who dictates prices through the power of buying what seems to be the best deal, lowest cost for most amount of product.
it is by no means a perfect system, but it is the most peaceful and natural economic system known to man, and is a system that is not in place today
>>74109370
But it isn't. Go back to /r/the_donald or some shit if you want a hugbox.
>>74105649
Alright, start with your house, then.
Come on, those third world Jamals and Ahmeds are waiting for some housing.
Oh right, you just want other people to give away their shit while you keep your own stuff.
>>74105649
i dont discuss it. why take away someones innocence like that? its cruel
>you have chosen capitalism (a constructed medium of exchange, which has created the most free and prosperous societies in history) over communism (a constructed medium of exchange that has always resulted in tyranny, destitution, and mass genocides wherever it has been deployed).
>You have been brainwashed, capitalists!
>>74109370
the election has drawn a lot of attention
>>74105649
"Let's make everyone live mediocre lives so that the people who do nothing to earn it won't have bad ones! Who cares about the people who work their asses off to have a nice existence on this earth."
>>74109370
How much weed have you been smoking, Justin?
If you think rape is "bad" or "pedophilia" are bad you have been brainwashed into supporting an artificial system of constructs designed to repress human nature
>muh constructs
>>74109241
Presumably there are items within your residence that are not instrumental to your survival. In addition to this there is most likely a lot more space than would be strictly necessary for you to live in.
At what point after providing bare minimum to a given population does the desire for the above cease to exist.
>>74105649
If you look at the world and say "Yes, there are enough homes for people" you don't know how to count.
Also: economics is not fucking voodoo. Even in a full commy society economics is still a daily reality used for measuring the flow, production, distribution of goods, services, supply and demand, etc. To shit on the concept as if it were capitalist is dude weed LMAO tier retarded.
>>74105649
if we do that, then there won't be enough homes and food left for very long
>>74105649
its not about earning it
if you give 10 people food that can barely survive on their own you will have to give food to 100 people tomorrow
>>74105649
You say "if only the world were so simple.." and leave it at that
>>74105649
Yes there are enough homes for everyone, thats why house prices keep going up
>>74105649
Tell them that the next time I see him, I'm going to punch him in the head.
If they were hungry enough they'd learn how to make their own food and how to hunt. People have been doing it since the dawn of time and if they can't manage something as base as feeding themselves then they don't deserve to live.
>>74105649
>Get free car, free house, etc.
>car breaks down, too stupid to fix it yourself, why should mechanic fix it for you for free?
>house needs a roof eventually, too stupid to fix it, why should roofer fix it for you for free?
>fridge breaks down, too stupid to fix it, thankfully you die of starvation.
>nothing_of_value_is_lost.JPEG
>>74105649
Start giving free shit so that economy would collapse and remaining 99% people who are fine right now will suffer, makes sense. I have a better option that will satisfy everyone, kick leftists who propose this out of their houses and them to homeless.
>>74110129
you sound like such a douche
>>74105649
Someone had to made it and THEY HAD TO WORK, so these others can be lazy doing nothing. Why did no one do anything for free the people who made them?
When did he last time do something major, such as giving a car to someone for free or supplying them with food for entire week, just because he wanted to feel good that others are happy, without feeling any regret or having any sorts of expectations towards that person?
>>74105649
Scarcity exists; to debate that there is enough food, shelter, and safety for every human is to deny that numbers exist. Society is the attempt to politely mimic natural selection by rewarding the successful of the species.It is often skewed and imbalanced. It is never fair.
Ideally, if one was to go about providing for every person there would have to be serious
population control, as we do not generate enough resources to provide a first-world
standard of living for everyone. This would
entail giving the power of life and death to
the very kinds of people posts like OP's buddy
decry. It wouldn't work in the common man's
favor.
Barring all of that, enforcement of standards and redistribution of wealth requires a stronger
state than we have (yes, yes, the Scandinavian countries-they're tiny, resource rich, and provide little aid to other countries) now. Power corrupts.
>>74110422
I appreciate your candor
>>74107925
i really like this image
>>74105649
Spoken like somebody who has never taken a basic economics course.
I would be all for free basic income/housing/healthcare/education in a homogeneous, nationalist society.
But on the condition that if you're not working or in education by 21 you are drafted into the military.
Yeah you won't starve and you have a place but if you don't pull your finger out you're going to shoot some arabs and pay your way in stolen oil.
>>74105649
>using facebook
>>74111555
>Double trips
>good post
PRAISE HIM!
