>socialism doesn't work
It's funny because you can never explain why.
>>74102835
it only works with 100% white countries who's DNA is very very close to one another and view each other as extended family members with shared interests.
>>74102835
Because a lack of a free competing market reduces motivation
>>74102835
It never:
spends less
requires fewer taxes
fights fraud, waste and abuse
pays for itself
delivers on its promises
>>74102835
What the leaf said >>74102955
Also posting a pretty gook with big tits doesn't justify socialism either.
>>74102835
Because it takes away incentive.
"The people" "own" things, but it ends up being distributed and managed by "the party" who is nothing more than a aristocratic class who rule over the nation and live in luxury.
A man strives to work for himself, not his neighbor. Boundless altruism is the white man's cancer.
>>74102835
100+ yrs of failure on the part of "Muh Socialism" is enough for anyone but a mongoloid, Swedecuck.
Kill yourself.
>>74102835
If the nation can't maintain itself without heavy reliance on taxation of corporate entities, then the nation is under the power of those groups. We can't let businesses fail because the lack of tax revenue would tank all the social programs.
Socialism can ONLY work in homogenous nations
E.G: Nazi Germany and Gaddaffi's Libya
>>74102835
> You can never explain why
State-run production has always been and will always be shit. There is no profit motive, hence no motivation or incentive. That's why it's only been duties that can't be handled by others (for the sake of order) have generally been given to the government (Such as police... Even though privatized police are becoming a thing.)
Inefficiencies and lack of incentives
>>74102835
>you can never explain why.
Yes I can.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_rider_problem
>>74102835
Give all power of distribution to bureaucrats results in them giving everything to themselves.
>>74102835
>capitalism doesn't work
It's funny because you can never explain why
>>74102835
It requires that everyone from the farmer all the way to the head of state to pay their fair share.
No one can abuse the system. Ex. Staying on welfare/unemployment even though they could work from home. Of shore accounts.
The entire populous must have a strong community centric philosophy.
The budget must be extremely well balanced.
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DO NOT REPLY TO SHILLS
>>74102835
Niggers of the East. Typical Swedeposting.
>>74102835
>you can never explain why
I don't have to, you see, there was a man in the 20th century who dedicated his entire life to explaining the flaws of collectivism. His name was George Fucking Orwell. Read a book sometime, collectivist scum.
>>74102835
>1. Lack of price signals
The system couldn't allocate and adjust resource allocation because prices were always fixed, often for political purposes. So, whereas a market economy can be dynamic and adjust rapidly, often the Communist leaders were reacting to problems from last year and so their command economy adjustments were too delayed.
2. Nature of Incentives within Hierarchies
People within the power structure need clear incentives. You see this even in the West now, where since so many things are politicized, the incentives are all fucked up. It's why half-retards in business can outperform brilliant people in government: because all the incentives are well aligned in business to focus on efficiencies and profit. Even if you're a shithead in a corporation, you can look at the profit and loss statement and identify where to focus your energy. Under Communism, no one really knows what's going right or wrong and why. It's constantly flying blind. Reading the history of Communism you see these periods where the political elites just arbitrarily say, "This decade: consumer goods and not tanks!" That's no way to run a country. Gorbachev said he knew Communism was fundamentally flawed when they had to set up a party committee to ensure nylon stocking production was sufficient. Cont
>>74102835
>>74102955
FPBP, Globalist Socialism never works, National Socialism is best system ever conceived by man.
>No mention in thread of Misesian calculation problem
>learn some fucking economics people
https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem
>>74103545
Lybia
>>74103648
>3. Human Nature/Incentives/Rejection of Egalitarianism
People like to talk about equality but they don't like it in practice. Tall people like being tall. Guys with big dicks like being the biggest. No one wants equal-everything. As such, the idea that everyone gets an equal-sized apartment being paid the same amount, regardless of merit, work, etc., was a fatal flaw. People revert to the lowest common denominator. Why would you try to be the best employee in a Communist system?
4. Violence
The only way to solve the free-rider problem in egalitarian systems is through fear, coercion and eventually violence. This is why every Communist system kills, it has to use terror.
Eveything becomes unique and adapts to that uniqueness. All constants will adapt and adjust to their respectable variables.
It retarded 20th century economic growth in Russia and Eastern Europe worse than any foreign power could have managed, even by pumping billions in sabotage.
Planned economy and isolation from the global market caused the creation of many redundant, woefully inefficient businesses. The public was their sole investor and the public bore all their losses.
Sadly looking at Western Europe now, no lessons were learned from the endeavor, seeing as they're now all infatuated with planned economies and collectivism.
Thats why
>>74103648
Effort post/10
>>74103654
National Socialism is just a fancy way of saying, "The ideal tribe". Tribalism is evil, deductive reasoning.
Because every attempt of something even close to it has ended in failure. Only an idiot would think pushing it farther in that direction would somehow alleviate all its problems.
>>74102835
any system would work in Europe if it was completely white desu
>>74102835
You're going to be a 3rd world country by 2030.
>>74103798
Ever notice how nearly every single collectivist is someone either without a job or completely hates their job? Collectivists are just failed capitalists. They don't know how to compete, so they want those in power to level the playing field so that they don't have to.
>>74103054
>requires fewer taxes
*Less* taxes, not *fewer*. I don't care how many taxes there are (income tax, VAT, inheritance tax etc), I care only about the amount I have to pay.
Also, don't switch from less to fewer, that's bad style. Always use "less", it's always correct.
>>74102835
...because it don't, old pigface had it right with 'socialism is the philosophy of equal failure and envy'... aka jewish egalitarianism
Socialism exists to soften up western societies for invasion, as you should know sven.
>>74103648
>The system
would
>allocate and adjust resource allocation
not by a roundabout way of reacting to market, and not in interest of pushing up abstract economic values, but according to consensus of competent professionals who actually work on that factory, workshop or laboratory, so that scientific and cultural progress marches on.
Capitalism results in a world that goes in meaningless circles, wasting raw resources to sustain that cycle, while producing almost nothing of value.
>>74102835
Corruption and inefficiency. It's incredibly difficult for one group of people to determine the needs of an entire country without getting SOMETHING wrong and ending up with shortages.
Take the example of Mao-era PRC. The new communist government collectivized agriculture under state control, and began getting estimates from the communes as to how much grain would be produced by them for that year. What they failed to consider was that the communes were incentivized to exaggerate their estimates to meet quotas and appease the government, resulting in horribly inaccurate statistics every year for the central planners to rely on. This created the artificial famine in the early '60s that unarguably killed tens of millions of people. As well, once the communist party came into full power, officials inevitably began to become corrupt, and oftentimes grain needed for the people would be sold by the government on the international market to enrich themselves. Even Mao himself turned from a dedicated revolutionary to an old fuck who had his buddies get virgins for him every day to have sex with. If you look at the old SSRs or even modern day countries like Venezuela and 1990s DPRK you'll see similar stories. Also, I'm talking about actual socialism here, not democratic socialism (e.g. still having a capitalist economy but with a government that has high taxes and provides more than usual services and welfare).
Nice pic btw.
>>74102835
Adam Smith destroyed the concept of communal work three hundred years ago, faggot.
>>74103008
Capitalism results in this new aristocracy of super-rich who have both absolute control and no motivation to progress because it harms status quo.
>>74102835
Mises debunked that crap 100 years ago. Socialism.
>>74102835
Because labour is valueless and the more money goes to the government the more powerful it becomes the more regulations there will be on the market the more inefficient workers there will be.
Market regulation and government inefficiency doesn't work and will slowly destroy the economy as no valuable products or services will be made.
Government distribution never works to equalize the economy. The only thing that equalizes the economy is de regulation.
>>74102955
This and you need a small population and country that has a common heritage and culture for it to work
>>74103963
Yes. This is very easy to see when you look at the backgrounds of the men who preach this shit.
"Sure they were a failure at anything practical, but their ideas on economics are brilliant!"
It's sickening.
>>74102835
>http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/16/world/americas/dying-infants-and-no-medicine-inside-venezuelas-failing-hospitals.html?_r=0
>>74104070
>PRC
>communist
It was state capitalist. As was USSR and Cambodia.
The only society to implement communism is kibbutz, Israeli settlements. Unfortunately, communism requires both herculean undertaking of entirely changing humanity's collective psyche, eliminating mistrust, AND is a colossal administration hurdle.
Communism on state scale is unattainable atm.
>>74102835
We don't have to. The burden of proof is on you to prove that your thing works.
In fact, historically we know that it doesn't work. You can make all these theories and shit, but does that matter? No. What matters is that when people try it, it fails.
>>74103446
"my only motivation is to not be hassled, and the fear of losing my job, but you know bob, that'll only make someone work just hard enough to not get fired."
>>74103798
It ended in failure because the rulers never had any intention of implementing it. They created state cap system and became new kings.
People like Trotsky, who try to actually fulfill their promise, get bonked by their barbarian "friends".
>>74104164
>absolute control
Thats not how the free market works
>>74102835
The entirety of human history you silly faggot.
>>74102835
>It's funny because you can never explain why.
It works well until you runt out of other peoples money. See Venezuela and Brazil!
>>74104458
>historically we know that it doesn't work
And when in fuck was there a socialist state?
>>74104341
But but its never been tried!!!!
>>74104595
>Communism and socialism only fail because they never actually do it right like MY way!
Love this dank meme.
>>74104618
Being able to order everyone below you to do whatever you want (and this is exactly what super-rich do) is control.
>>74102955
FPBP
Worked fucking great in Sweden 40 years ago, then every one got a brain damage and started to import humanitarian problems from abroad because there wasn't enough problems to go around at home.
>>74104053
>meaningless circles
>wasting raw resources
>nothing of value.
Whenever a resource is depleted yet still required to complete a product or process, an effort is made to either modify the process, introduce a new resource in its place or introduce a new process to reclaim the resource.
Through these efforts a society advances in ways a more resource conscious society wont.
Take this scenario and move a timeline some 50 years and you will realize that the more resource conscious society will not be able to compete with the resouce hungry society will.
Example the native americans vs European colonists
>>74103723
>socialism works
It's funny because you can never explain why.
>>74104389
>atm
you mean never.
as long as we are human and have basic human nature, communism will always fail.
>>74104747
I know american education system kinda sucks, but you've got to be literate, right? Go read Kapital, by Marx and Engels. It's written in simple language for peasants to understand.
After you are done reading it, read up on Lenin's NEP and subsequent policies.
I love it when people try to look serious while having second-hand knowledge at best.
>>74102835
I don't care about socialism,what's the name ofthe girl?
>>74107410
>employment is authoritatative
At least in this system there is a choice on whether you want to be controlled or not
>>74104852
But the rich can't do that. The rich have to pay people to do what they want and even then the person doesn't have to do it if they don't want to.
>>74105141
>go read marx and engels
you realize they completely ignore human nature and are based in pure fantasy, right?
>>74104595
>Socialism works
"Socialism works for niggers" is a more accurate statement.
>>74104908
So, in your opinion, yeast that thrives and then dies in its shit is a model organism? Welp.
>>74102835
It doesn't work because of the tragedy of the commons, simple as that.
>>74102835
see flag
>>74105141
>I know american education system kinda sucks,
We objectively have the best schools in the world here, try again.
>I love it when people try to look serious while having second-hand knowledge at best.
I love it when people rewrite history and then say "But if you read this book by (idiot communist) then you'll realize why if we did it like they said (despite that it was tried and doesn't work because they're just lazy idiots who literally don't understand how society works) it will totally work!"
Try again.
>>74105141
>marx
that retarded old guy. You know just because some old guy wrote a book doesn't make it true.
Ok faggets I'm tired of muh motivation. If they put a rifle in your head you're gonna work harder than in a capitalist society.
The true reason it fails it's the impossibility of allocate production because there is no price that tells us what to produce.
>>74105196
>what is embargo
>what is blacklisting
>what is PMC
Sure, they might lose some tiny fraction of their wealth by pwning you, but the next guy will catch the drift and submit to them without them expending any resources.
>>74105241
Not anymore. If you don't want to starve on the street, you work for the big guy.
Understand that I am not against control, I'm against control by those who are not interested in humanity's continued survival and prosperity.
>>74105359
"I will find you, and I will re-inform you until you agree with me. Also, overpriced vendors, that will teach you information that is free on the internet, will be looking at this score that we say represents your intelligence, but it actually represents your obedience to the system." The American Education system.
>>74104693
>Venezuela
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/16/world/americas/dying-infants-and-no-medicine-inside-venezuelas-failing-hospitals.html
>>74105312
You don't seem to realize that humans are only animals. We are no better than yeast, viruses or dogs. It doesn't matter if a virus kills other things what matters is that its alive and thrives.
>>74105680
The best scientific, medical and law schools in the world are here. Our schools are the best.
>>74105312
>yeast that thrives and then dies in its shit
>thrives and then dies
>dies
Everything shits and everything dies, but not everything thrives and you should know that better than anyone here vodkabro
>>74104164
That's not capitalism, that's crony capitalism. In capitalism everything is voluntary: businesses only have power if people decide to give them money in exchange for services. In crony capitalism businesses are able to gain control by corrupting the government.
>>74105680
Yeah the education system in America sucks. Its just a giant communist propaganda system. Despite this our colleges are still better than anywhere else when it comes to STEM
>>74102835
>wasn't real socialism
>>74105585
why is 'humanity' more important than 'nations' or 'countries' to you? vague globalist ideals grounded in 'muh humanity' are exactly the reason why the world is in the mess that it currently is.
>>74103640
George Orwell was a leftist kek keep eating that shit you call truthfinder
>>74102835
Name one country where it has worked that isnt
A) Drowning in Immigrants
B) Have Absurdly High Debt
C) A Downward Trend in Economic Innovation
or
D) Corrupt Politicians
I await your reply.
>>74105250
Do you realize that everything that divides humans and animals is those unnatural things like architecture, medicine, data analysis, etc.? "Human nature" is an idiotic concept. There is an animalistic part, that very "human nature", and there is our part that goes against nature.
Animalistic part of our being needs to be dismantled if we are to progress.
>>74105359
>objectively have the best schools in the world
>schools push out hordes of retarded nigs and wiggers that think books is something you eat for breakfast and Hobbes is a furry tiger
Doesn't seem like it, lad.
>>74105491
You illustrate complete lack of knowledge of what socialism actually IS. I suggested you a way to rectify that. But, of course, you are free to stay stupid and proceed to commit collective suicide with your corporate overlords. Too bad you're dragging me along for the ride.
>>74105585
Starving on the street is better than leeching off of the other workers
>>74104164
State Capitalism is not real capitalism. That's like saying you hate Coca Cola because you don't like how diet coke tastes.
>>74106072
Nazi Germany
>>74102835
CHINA
>>74105970
>muh humanity' are exactly the reason why the world is in the mess that it currently is.
I agree with this statement, the animal kingdom doesn't subscribe to this concept and socialism is a prime example of how equality is a failed social construct.
>>74106098
>we need to become more robotic if we are to proceed
Okay then m8, you can start by not thinking about anything except work from now on. Lets see how far you get.
>>74106098
>Doesn't seem like it, lad.
http://www.thebestschools.org/features/100-best-universities-in-world-today/
You're literally retarded and ignore facts because of your preconceived notions and feelings.
I can see why you think Marx was smart.
>>74102835
Please don't be one of those that think we are a socialist country.
Every time they have tried to turn us into one, it have gone to shit.
>>74105970
Nations and countries are means to an end, subsets of humanity.
Nations are an optional mechanic, sometimes shrouded in divine mandate or some inane origin stories to help them stay stable.
If humanity buys it, there will be noone left to, well, be citizens.
Apathetic people and ego-tastic elite is the reason the world is going down the drain. You are defending the current state of things.
Ta livet av dig jävla drägg.
>>74106199
the irony is that the only successful socialist state was nazi germany, and that was because they were racist as fuck.
>>74102835
>It's funny because you can never explain why.
>>74094921
>>74106199
Actually, it does. Countries are extended tribes/packs.
>people realize you don't need to work because the government will pay you
>nobody works
>everything falls to shit
>>74105250
You realize that "species being" is one of Marx's big concepts and is central to his account of alienation? And that "species being" is virtually a synonym for "human nature." If anything, this uncritical humanism is a problem in Marx because he just asserts "species being," as though we can simply know it's true.
I'm guessing you've read almost nothing of Marx and understood even less. Try being less of a dumb fuck, even on anon imageboards.
>>74102835
>socialism works
It's funny because you can never explain why.
>>74106098
>You illustrate complete lack of knowledge of what socialism actually IS. I suggested you a way to rectify that. But, of course, you are free to stay stupid and proceed to commit collective suicide with your corporate overlords. Too bad you're dragging me along for the ride.
Sorry did I offend your gospel. You're as bad as religious people who believe everything thats written in the bible is the truth. I'm not dragging you along any ride. We live in two separate countries.
If anything you're the one dragging me along because apparently communism only works of every single country in the world does it.
Communism is slavery. Having the freedom to not worry if your slave master will feed you at night is not freedom.
IT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE MUH FREEDOMS
>>74102835
Because not everyone is a racially homogenous nation with military needs subsidised by the US. Now you aren't the first, and hopefully soon you won't be the second. It decreases motivation and only works if people in a state see themselves as extended family.
But that is a very pretty asian with very nice BIG boobs. are you telling me if i adopt socialism i can put my peniss in her? Wow i take it al back. Pleas give me socialism and also Happa babies pleae. not so badd after all
>>74102835
>98 replies
>1 post by this ID
well done, Sven, now back to your shed
>all the arguments involve government
every time
>>74106140
Pretty sure some of the Nazis were corrupt.
>>74106112
Exactly! Socialism prevents useless middle-management, stock traders, bankers and other parasitic people and organizations from hampering creation of wealth or unjustly appropriating it.
>>74106072
NS Germany. Most of Europe prior to a globalist scheme to arrest the countries culturally and ethnically, that has nothing to do with socialism.
Also,
>absurdly high debt
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
>>74106586
Oskar Schindler, for one
>>74102835
It focuses on everyone increasing consumption, but completely ignores increasing production. It is based upon a belief that some people are better than others, with superior rights, particularly the right to force others to work to support the entitled ones.
>>74106422
>Countries are extended tribes/packs.
Maybe in prehistoric times.
What does this have to do with the failure of socialism in history?
>>74105585
>what is embargo
>what is blacklisting
>what is PMC
Things that have nothing to do with what powers a rich person has. A rich person can not embargo a country unless he get everyone to do it. All it would take is one person who didn't want to do and saw that he could make a lot of money in this newly opened market.
>>74106653
>It is based upon a belief that some people are better than others, with superior rights, particularly the right to force others to work to support the entitled ones.
he was talking about socialism
If socialism don't work why does most of the planet use some form of it?
>>74106355
>nations are an optional mechanic
They're the most efficient way of maintaining an in-group and an out-group. Again, basic human nature. White flight is another example of this sort of in/ out-group psychology in play.
You seem to have no idea exactly how much this human nature you hate so much is ingrained in the human psyche; the only way you will ever get rid of it is by turning humanity into an ant colony, and good luck in successfully brainwashing people into behaving as such without leaving any cracks, because we sure as shit won't be human any more if you do.
>>74106221
Work is means to an end, Ahmed.
In capitalist societies, a worker works to feed himself, to protect himself, thus staying at the bottom of Maslow's pyramid. In a socialist society, a worker works for betterment of the state, or humanity as a whole.
THAT is what one thinks about. Capitalist thinks about food, security and sex, socialist thinks about progress and creation.
>>74106653
So you're a communist?
>>74104164
>things that only happen in socialist countries like Russia
>>74106355
Nations and countries are a means to an end. Is that a bad thing? Do you have any other suggestion on how to stop the tribe around the corner from raping your women and stealing your crops.
>>74106594
>Socialism prevents useless middle-management
You must not have read my previous statement
>Gorbachev said he knew Communism was fundamentally flawed when they had to set up a party committee to ensure nylon stocking production was sufficient.
Stop resisting
>>74106285
>says that US schools are the best
>posts "proof" about universities
Bravo, you tard, you've just proved my point!
>>74104900
>Worked fucking great in Sweden 40 years ago,
yes as long as someone else is paying for YOUR defense it works...
>>74106392
>successful
>>74107014
First of all, drop the quotation marks. By every metric, US schools are the best. This is fact, and you are objectively wrong.
Second, I should have realized that you're still in high school given the garbage "philosophy" you've been spouting, and I apologize for assuming you meant big boy schools.
>>74107005
>usa is the blonde girl
nice try
>>74106571
socialism doesn't work without a government. Who would stop me from doing something for capital?
>>74106884
in a socialist society, a worker works, or dies. they have no individuality, they have no hobbies, they are simply a cog in a machine.
capitalism actually allows for individuality, and as such allows us to have this discussion in the first place.
Socialism goes against freedom.
>>74107179
how doesn't capital exist in socialism?
>>74107128
Nazi germany successfully reclaimed german clay that was lost after WW1.
>>74107005
>USA is not incredibly obese and in a electric wheelchair
Stop lying to yourself Chris.
If everyone is treated the same and gets the same pay what makes a person want to be their best self?
>>74107128
they were successful until they got '2big2fail'
>>74106829
Thats what socialism is though bud.
Waah give me your hard earned money because I have the "right" to it.
>>74106860
First off, I'm not against nations. I'm against nation-first mentality. Sure, aiding your nations is a good thing, but only if humanity as a whole doesn't lose out because of it.
Sure, but there are examples when patriotism and ideology prevailed. During Siege of Leningrad, botanists preserved seed banks instead of eating them, despite starving to death. Suicide missions and charges are common today and were especially abundant in WW1 and WW2.
If our bestial part can't be beat, what separates a human from an animal, then? A passage in Qur'an that says otherwise?
>>74107375
and thats what capitalism has become
if thats your argument, then the two are indistinguishable
>>74107173
>nice try
Its not that difficult. Stop resisting
>>74107242
Where in fuck have you read that?
>>74107128
>Fixed Economic and unemployment issues
>Pretty much paradise before the war and a year into the war.
They fixed alot of things.
>>74106884
Thats just not human nature. The only time humans ever work for the betterment of the state is if the states existence is in question.
Industrial revolution was made possible because of capitalism by the way.
Socialism work fine in a specific context: communities smaller than Dunbar's Number.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number
Once a community grows larger than that, social cohesion is lost and disregard for the health of the community grows. The tragedy of the commons is rare in Dunbar size communities but expected in larger ones.
>>74105901
>US not even that much crony capitalist
I'm genuinely surprised. Why do we get so much shit for being crony then?
>>74107375
That's what Capitalism is though; expecting us to support a rigged system where we do all the work and you take all the money.
>>74104900
>brain damage
its jews doing this and you know it
>>74107164
Are you going to post proof about desirabiliy of american SCHOOLS (not universities) or quotes from Kapital or other Marx/Engels/Trotsky's teachings that prove me wrong, or are you going to embarass yourself further?
>>74102835
Race to the bottom
>>74107463
capitalism ceases to be capitalism when the country implements socialist policies. Its not that hard of a concept.
>>74107663
You don't have to buy a watch. You do have to pay tax.
>>74107343
>a fucking leaf
Quiet chinaman, the western world is having a real discussion
>>74107507
it's how the systems work when applied in reality. take off your gommie lenses and look at what happened to the USSR, Korea, China, Vietnam et al
Socialism is brilliant!
1. remove the carrot
2. government has to excessively use the stick since that's all it's left with
3. ???
4. Mass killings
And after all that you have to listen to unbearable faggots explaining why socialism is the ethical thing to do. Sure, mass killings follow in a deterministic fashion, but apparently that's not a problem according to them.
>>74107749
>>a fucking leaf
You Americans are no fun, you don't even try anymore.
>>74107005
What does Gorbachev have to do with communism? USSR was a state capitalist country.
>>74107745
then why aren't all the boogeyman stories in this thread happening in america?
>>74107663
You don't have to work. You don't have to give me your money. Regulation is the only thing rigging the system. Free market capitalism is the best economic system in the world and is directly responsible for every great thing in western civilization.
>>74107858
>it wasn't communist because I say it wadn't!
how long are you going to keep spouting this meme, Ivan?
>>74107814
>>74107827
>You Americans are no fun
See Australia for shitposting or visit /b/ for /b/ tier posts
>>74107698
>SCHOOLS (not universities)
I know English isn't your first language, but stop embarrassing yourself. We're not all stuck in the high school mindset like you, our high school education is garbage because of minorities, that I won't deny, but our smart kids easily move past it and proceed to attend literally the greatest institutions of higher learning in the world.
The only one embarrassing themself is you. Reading your other posts actually makes me feel second-hand embarrassment for you because of how zealous you are about asserting your ignorance and lack of understanding of literally every topic you comment on. The "intellectuals" you revere so much were idiots, and their teachings are borne of feelings of inadequacy and a desire to bring everyone down to their level. Get over it.
>>74107814
See >>74103739
Number 4.
>>74107904
Because we are fighting it every step of the way. Its a losing battle since most teenagers are taught communism is great in school. Its only a matter of time.
>>74107575
Industrial Revolution didn't last long, though. Leeches very quickly figured out how to become new nobility, and we are now back to neo-feudalism.
>>74106594
But the redistribution of wealth is not bad? How does that work?
>>74107062
It's really great, paying taxes for the defense of another country, so if you meet their beautiful woman, they can tell you how much better they are than you, and how you should be more like them.
We're Ameri-cucked.
>>74102835
It worked somewhat in Sweden and other European countries before they went all batshit about open borders and immigration.
Why can't people just realize race and nations are real and use that fact to cater a socialist system to their needs?
Also, having a few handout systems should be compatible with free trade. Why not see capitalism and socialism as two parts of a working government instead of standalone philosophies?
>>74107967
As in intellectual responses instead of just memeing. Those seem to be rare among you guys now, mainly calling people cucks instead of putting up a good argument.
>>74107774
>USSR, Korea, China, Vietnam
What do 4 state capitalist countries have to do with socialism?
Do you guys get tired of the fact that 90% of threads are made by leftys just to antagonize us?
>>74108208
>industrial revolution didn't last long
exactly. we industrialized so quickly because of capitalism and that made society advance like it has never advanced before. Capitalism is the best system for advancement.
>>74108351
>wanting this to be more a a hugbox shithole than it already is
>>74106594
The stock traders who give people in small promising companies their paychecks are leeches?
>>74107937
>That piece of bread is moldy.
>No, it's not!
>Look, nigga, here is that fucking mould.
>How long are you going to keep spouting that meme?
Until it gets through your thick skull, Mohammed.
>>74108311
Your original post was a shitpost that didn't contribute to the argument in any way and instead attempted to move goal posts. Fuck off leaf. Americas fatness is a sign of wealth.
>>74108311
>USA is not incredibly obese and in a electric wheelchair
You're asking for an intelligent response to a meme?
You asians really are as aspergery as they say.
>>74102835
Sweden isn't Socialist. You still have private property and means of production. All you have is high taxes and a complex system of redistrubition of said tax money.
On the other hand Cuba is a real socialist country.
>>74108536
Really stop trying to pretend that communism isn't shit when it clearly has mold all over it.
>>74108155
what class is that again, i don't remember having it throughout high school and 6 years of college
>>74108782
Humanities and history. The one that you spend the most time in throughout those 4 years. Did you not take them?
>>74108474
As far as threads made go its more like a hugbox for leftys
>>74108658
>Americas fatness is a sign of wealth.
You're right, I have no idea why I contested it in the first place by attempting to use that as an insult. I apologize for that.
>>74108690
I don't know what you're talking about, looks pretty Canadian to me.
>>74102955
Holy shit, Canadian with a FPBP. What the actual fuck?
>>74108072
Dude, I've been to USA many times. Don't lie to me. Your 18-year-olds have barely any knowledge of mathematical analysis and analytical geometry (must-have in every ex-USSR school), they know about as much about physics and chemistry as an 8-grader here, their knowledge of literature ends at Harry Potter, never mind basic comprehension of Kant, Gegel, Locke and other essential philosophers. Your kids study in their freshman years in unis what our (ex-USSR) study in middle or high school.
And, judging by your responses, your knowledge of Marx consists of /pol/ memes and second-hand snippets from your McCarthyist aunt.
So I sincerely suggest you read up before making idiotic assumptions.
>>74108340
There it is! He posted it again!
>>74106072
Nazi Germany is the only example I can think of. However it only worked because of the homogeneity of the population ( white German , Christian).
because history gives a ton of examples
>>74109126
thats why russia is a world economic superpower today like the usa instead of a corrupt shithole...
oh wait
>>74109007
who cares when the content of those threads is 98% hugbox for the other side. IDGAF. at least this place has some variance because most places just ban the side they don't like
>>74108877
history was in high school, took socio and psych in college, nothing you speak of ever came up
are you sure you aren't projecting a conspiracy theory as fact?
>>74109126
>I've talked to a few American 18-year olds so you're all stupid
Thanks for proving that you're both a child and a retard.
>>74109377
what's the point in banning lefites when they're so easy to BTFO for quick entertainment?
>>74109126
>mathematical analysis
>analytical geometry
>physics and chemistry
You cant really make too much money trying to export any of these things. We're wealthy as a result of creativity.
No wonder Soviet era people are mostly idiot savant. top kek
>>74109126
I've studied math with Russians and the difference is very obvious. Your average American 18 year old would struggle with pre calc and has basically never been asked to think analytically. Russians are much better at math to a huge degree it's pretty embarassing really
>>74109515
the majority of the fee fee internet bans people they don't agree with because if they engaged in a debate of ideas they would lose. They only exist if they are allowed a hugbox
>>74108229
You seem to misunderstand what redistribution of wealth is. It's not a glorified robbery spree that early USSR and PRC saw. It is a carefully thought-out initial phase of socialisation that sees capital hoarded by parasites redistributed among those economic agents that actually produce value, proportional to their importance and resource requirements.
Basically, you get specialists to organize production process, and you give those specialists the capital that was previously appropriated by unproductive managers and bankers, so that production could start.
>>74109662
It's why I don't browse forums and only use facebook to shitpost, m8
lol
One post by the OP.
ONE.
NICE SLIDE THREAD FAGGOTS
>>74109710
Suppose those 'parasites' earn more money than you because they work harder than you and are better at their job than you.
Still think taking their hard earned cash out of spite for the fact that you suck and they don't is fair?
>>74108478
The hardship of small business is a product of capitalism. A capitalist somewhat alleviating his own doing is still not producing any value.
>>74102835
Except that it has been thoroughly explained since the 20s
>>74102955
It doesn't work that way either
"Scandinavian third way Socialism" working is a.myth
http://www.iea.org.uk/publications/research/scandinavian-unexceptionalism-culture-markets-and-the-failure-of-third-way-soc
>>74104164
Mercantilism isn't capitalism
>>74102835
>It's funny because you can never explain why.
Yes I can.
There is an entire science built around it, encompassing more than 300 years of Western knowledge. It's called Economics.
Socialism never works.
The extreme left command economy leads to economic stagnation, shortages of basic goods, hyperinflation and massive poverty.
See: Venezuela
The social democratic variant can work for a time but ultimately results in mass migration of free loaders, loss of work ethic, creeping taxes and regulations, foreign debt and economic crisis, resulting in reforms being needed to reintroduce capitalist dynamism.
See: Greece
Your system will never work because it is based on promoting envy rather than hard work, and helplessness instead of self-reliance and strenght.
>tfw redpilled my mum on socialism yesterday
>>74109740
>>74104053
Its a good thing they didn't waste resources by creating surplus goods at low low prices like them wasteful capitalist pigs :^)
>you can never explain why
Take a look at every socialist nation ever.
>>74108765
Holy shit you are retarded.
In a communist society, tools of labor belong to everyone (that's shit BTW, I believe in a centralized gov't). In a socialist society, tools of labor belong to those who use them, the workers. In a state capitalist society, tools of labor belong to the state.
Every country you've listed had tools of labor belong to the state.
Tools of labor mean not literal tools, but factories, farms, logistical lines, etc., if you didn't get it.
>>74109904
Yeah because in a socialist country you'd just get all the funding you need from the government so every citizen can be a CEO for a massive multinational company.
>>74102835
Not an argument.
Because I don't want to share my swimming pool.
>>74110148
In a communist society, the state and 'everyone' are interchangable terms. How the fuck do you not know this?
This 'state capitalism' you keep talking about is a meme you made up to shitpost about capitalism. It's time to give it up, Stalin.
>>74109863
Are monopolies justified in your ideologue? If one person works real hard through lineage to amass so much power as to be your king, do you bend over and let him exert that power at his leisure?
>>74109374
Sadly, education here took a steep dive nowadays. I have a hard time finding anyone younger than 25-26 years old that doesn't believe state propaganda or just, y'know, has a functional brain.
Say thanks to that conga line of retards that started after Andropov.
>>74104008
Fuck off retard. The number of different taxes we pay is quantifiable and thus we pay "FEWER TAXES" when we get rid of income tax and "LESS TAXES" when we simply lower it
>>74110383
Have they added fluoride to your tap water yet?
>>74109396
Stop putting your words into my mouth. I've stated that your school-level education sucks and suggested you read Kapital. You are yet to post any proof that proves me wrong, prove that you know what Kapital is actually about, or stop being stupid.
So, I'm waiting.
>>74110372
Monopolies in a free market? Sure.
>>74110372
Is the guy who earns more than you at your job your king? No? then why are you trying to steal money from his paycheck when you could be putting the effort in to earn more money on your own paycheck?
>>74102835
socialism doesn't work
because just look at my goddamn country
>>74110055
>The social democratic variant can work for a time
Actually the breakdown of "social democracy" was almost immediate
See
>>74109967
It really is a fascinating book
>>74102835
I can. The State is always less effective at setting prices than a competitive market, and Bureaucrats have less of an impetus to optimize efficiency than involved Capital does. This is why given the same resources a Capitalist society will always outperform a Socialist one.
>>74109863
A tick works hard to find a good spot, bite through your skin and suck your blood. Are you going to let it stay there because baaawwww it worked so hard?
Truly a cuck.
>>74102835
>all these countries that are fucking shit under their socialist/communist regimes aren't actually suffering, they're working!
>disregard all those short comings pls
>>74110595
>>74110541
>I've stated that your school-level education sucks
And your lack of command of the English language means that you're not saying what you think you are. You're an idiot, and namedropping books written by abject failures only praised by other abject failures does not assert your intelligence the way you're pretending it does.
>>74110224
>Yeah because in a socialist country you'd just get all the funding you need from the government so every citizen can be a
scientist, engineer, or artist.
You know, someone actually working, instead of figuring out creative ways of getting paid for other people's sweat and blood.
>>74110541
>and suggested you read Kapital.
>read this book which has been entirely debunked.
No
It's like telling someone researching physics to read the works of scientist 1000 years ago that were arguing that the earth was flat
>>74110687
>comparing someone who does a better job than you to a tick
jesus christ Ivan, stop being such an entitled little bitch.
>>74102835
How about we define first what we mean by socialism?
>>74102835
>say socialism works
>socialism loses cold war
Go abck to be raped by a muslim
>>74110805
The Soviets litteraly paid people to watch lightbulbs
The Chinese paid people to use shovels for excavation to "create jobs"
>>74104900
>because there wasn't enough problems to go around at home.
This is the real problem
We thrive on hardship, so when there is none we make our own
>>74110610
>http://www.iea.org.uk/publications/research/scandinavian-unexceptionalism-culture-markets-and-the-failure-of-third-way-soc
Seems like an interesting read, I'll try to get that book.
>>74110347
>state and 'everyone' are interchangable terms
Correct. That's why it's decentralised, which I don't like.
>meme you made up
Wow, you are both delusional and retarded. Are you a HAES activist? You sound like them.
>>74110805
>someone actually working, instead of figuring out creative ways of getting paid for other people's sweat and blood.
This is why you lost. Both in WW2 and the cold war.
Socialism is great!
>>74110935
It is free online
And I believe a PDF for it is in that link.
>>74110579
I asked you if you'd bend over for a man who has amassed enough fortune via monopolies to become your king through force. After all, he earned it through hard work.
Socialism isn't about the guy earning 10% more than you. Hell, it isn't even about the guy earning 100% more than you. It's about the guys making 1,000,000% more than you.
>>74110805
Oh boy here we go, it's a "it's only a job if I, the commie deem it to be one" episode
>>74110538
We had fluoridation for ages. That's why our teeth are not as ugly as brits'.
Also, you don't DRINK tap water here. Sanitation tech is cheap and uses fucking chlorine (chemical weapon, basically), so if you drink that shit, you nuke your intestines.
>>74108782
>>74109387
Every public health course, every anthropology course, even economics courses were polluted by socialist propaganda.
>>74111019
Ah, silly me, it does link to the full book.
Downloading right now, thanks!
Too bad the leftist retards like the OP won't bother with it.
>>74111043
>It's about the guys making 1,000,000% more than you.
No it isn't
Lenin slaughtered kulaks because they were "hoarding" grain and they were hardly above peasants
>>74102835
>Sweden still needs explanation why socialism doesn't work.
>>74102835
Socialism is a possible destination, not a path. Mankind is never supposed to reach a destination though.
>>74111167
No problem.
> Too bad the leftist retards like the OP won't bother with it.
Most retards here won't read it either because the author is a "lol shit skin"
>>74111258
>>74110780
So, are you going to, khm, DEBUNK KAPITAL, or are you going to keep rehashing that second-hand knowledge?
Go on, post me some of these hardcore debunked myths! Are you a pussy?
>>74111043
>it's about the guys making 1,000,000% more than you
no it's not, it's about stealing from everyone who makes more money than you because you can't be bothered to put the effort in to do a little better.
If you're so buttblasted about the guy who took power through hard work and effort, then work as hard as he did and amass your own power through your own effort, don't be a bitch and try to leech money off of him because you lack any confidence in your own abilities.
>>74111312
>Sanandaji
Some of the brightest minds those two brothers in Sweden currently.
>>74111086
A job is a good one if it creates value. What is so hard to understand?
>>74110918
Neither USSR nor PRC were socialist.
You remind me of idiots on our state TV who use Nazism and fascism as synonims.
>>74111516
And a stock broker creates value, as does a bank manager, as does a vlogger on youtube.
>>74103780
>tribalism is evil
Can you explain fucking why?
The USSR was socialist and look how they came out
>>74111430
What happens to people that are genetic failures?
The types you can hand success an they will still fail.
>>74110805
>We'll pay a huge department of bureaucrats to organize labor so that nobody is unemployed. There are no consequences for them failing to allocate this labor efficiently, nor rewards for succeeding to do so
VS
>We'll allow people to organize labor on their own using their existing capital and knowledge of the markets. Failure to allocate labor efficiently is punished by the market, success is rewarded with wealth
I wonder which of these will produce a society that is more productive and efficient in its use of resources overall... Could it be... The one where the individual fortunes of the organizers of industry are directly tied to their performance?
Socialism is fine when your entire civilization is working towards an uncomplicated goal, like producing more tanks than Nazi Germany, or constructing infrastructure en-masse in Central Asia. Where it falters is in managing the complex economies of normal, developed nations. Allocative Inefficiency isn't a problem when you have an effectively unlimited demand for a good (tanks in WWII) but it becomes a problem when you have some dipshit in Moscow trying to guess how many rolls of toilet paper Kazakhstan is going to need next month.
>>74111379
Socialism debunks itself.
