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are there any legitimate objections to Christianity? Even if you don't believe in God living like jesus is without a doubt the best way to be a human
>>74100956
Depends on what you're going to qualify as "legitimate" or "not-legitimate".
Christianity was created by Jews to control the goyim
>>74101019
It wasn't. Christianity is too simplified and retarded to be created by Jews. Once you compare Judaism and Christianity, you have no options but convert.
>>74101004
give me a good reason besides da joos or selfishness
>>74101106
>Russia
Not surprising. You have Muslims in Moscow.
>>74101106
What are the differences besides other stories and etc. in the new testement?
>>74100956
jesus did not fight to protect hismself, people who really exist don't come back to life by being really nice
Except christians don't live like jesus. Not a single one of them. And the very action of trying to "live like jesus" is what prevents them from doing so.
>>74101382
And you're not even white.
>>74101448
New testament is basically good thoughts stolen from Talmud mixed with Pagan bullshit. Jesus was so self-loving, he couldn't even formulate basic rules of morality for goyim without getting himself praised. It is too obvious once you learning about Judaism somewhere besides /pol/ and stormfront.
>>74101123
What do you qualify as 'good"?
>>74101106
>>74101448
The message is the same.
But, the Messiah opened the reliogion to non-jews too.
And thats about it. God came to save humanity. The Father is the same of the Old Covenant but He made changes in some rules.
>>74100956
I personally find the problem of evil and suffering convincing. Not something I can prove.
I can't prove that a loving God would disallow the evil and suffering we see in the world. In fact, I'm not sure how you could prove what God would or would not do.
A neutral, even indifferent God seems to resonate with what I've experienced though.
>>74102348
Thats such a bad b8
It's a Jew slave religion
>>74100956
>are there any legitimate objections to Christianity?
Yes, it cucks up everything.
>>74100956
>are there any legitimate objections to Christianity?
Yes. Its immoral.
>>74101652
Underrated post.
I believe the healthiest is to live ones own personal life IN Christ, not AS Christ.
>>74100956
first of all, jesus was a degenerate stoner.
second, he was a terrorist who terrorised temples and attacked people.
the only thing that saved his ass was his father, highly situated person of power with "godlike" power. and when the "sins" of little bastard jesus weren't tolerable, the plan was hatched to nail him on a cross, take him down asap, nurse him back to health in a cave and them proclaim his a saint a bring him to the castle...
so, I don't know what is a better representation of a "best way to be a human": him being a jew, him being a bastard son of a whore who cucked a hard working carpenter, him being a socialist sjw or him being a degenerate stoner...
>>74103993
>>74104955
>Being this brainwashed by memes
>>74105524
ikke så verdsatt fjert
>>74100956
Well, the old testament contradicts the new testament and essentially declares Jesus a pretender as he declared parts of the old testament obsolete.. even though the old testament was supposedly given by god.
Well, only a minority of christians /actually/ strive to live like jesus.
>>74100956
Jesus was a fucking proto-SJW.
>There's nothing wrong with women being adulters or whores, guys!
>If you so much as look at a woman with lust in your heart, you've sinned!
>If someone attacks or robs you, never defend yourself. You wouldn't want them to get hurt, right?
He's pathetic, and anyone who worships him is even more pathetic.
>>74105874
All Christians necessarily do. Else they're not Christians in the first place.
>>74106060
I guess Buddhism and millions of other religions preaching for peace are sjw
pol is so autistic
>>74100956
Only objection I have, is that it is heavily under control of Zionism and edited right now.
Ever since Martin Luther was funded by the Rosicrucians. More and more people believe in the rapture. They want a get out of trouble without earning it.
I think it's possible to reconnect with the King James bible and just let intuition and the holy spirit lead you.
If it's leading you to protect the false state of Israel and and live like a hypocrite, watch tv all day and judge everyone, or be a total Cuck. Maybe change something.
If it's leading you to think like Jesus and live like him and as a Judean. Maybe you are on the right track.
>>74100956
>Let someone else define you
Be my slave then. Turn both cheeks if you want to.
>>74100956
>Even if you don't believe in God living like jesus
no fucking American, including a fuckhead like you "lives like Jesus".
Get the fuck out.
>>74100956
and don't get me started on degenerate lore...
A. there is god. who is just...
2. then this god gives his bad attributes to lucifel and bananas him out of heaven.
3. god who forgot evil becomes cruel and murderous faggot. since egyptians are niggers and not human, serves them right.
4. god splits into insane god and sane holy ghost.
5. god becomes satan as is proved through the lore - davids story.
6. holy ghost finds lucifel and takes his soul
7. holy ghosts fucks the brains out of mary and implants lucifels soul
8. jesus is born and he's just a weed smoking vigilate kike.
9. jesus gets nailed by some nine inch nails
X. jesus goes to hell, nukes dat shit out of it and comes back.
J. he respawns in the cave
Q. he ascendes to heaven and becomes one with god and holy spirit.
K. god is whole again, and as a being that knows both good and evil, god becomes just...
so, why would anyone sane proclaim satans spawns spawn with lucifels soul be "best way to be a human"? are you a complete moron?
Jesus’ real mission to come to earth
Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has “come not to send peace, but a sword.” Matthew 10:34
Jesus says, “Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace on earth! No, rather a sword lf you love your father, mother, sister, brother, more than me, you are not worthy of being mine. “The real beauty of this verse is that Jesus demands people truly love him more then they love their own family. I ask you how can we love someone that we can not see or interact with? Love is an emotion pertaining to physical existence not to faithful ideologies, yet God threatens you with death just because your love for your mother maybe stronger than your love for him. (Matthew 10:34)
Families will be torn apart because of Jesus. “Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.” (Matthew 10:21)
Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. (Matthew 5:17)
Jesus advocates murder and death
Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn’t care for his preaching. (Matthew 11:20)
Jesus, whose clothes are dipped in blood, has a sharp sword sticking out of his mouth. Thus attired, he treads the winepress of the wrath of God. (The winepress is the actual press that humans shall be put into so that we may be ground up.) (Revelations 19:13-15)
The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest of us, the unchosen, will be killed with the sword of Jesus. “An all the fowls were filled with their flesh.” Revelations (19:20-21)
>>74100956
fuck you satanic kike! Jesus died for YOURS AND MINE sins! He's the son of God, and He should be praised!
I cannot understand how you won't love somebody who died for you, you ungrateful heretic!
Praise Jesus!
Jesus says he is the only way to salvation yet he purposely disillusions us so that we will go to hell
Jesus explains that the reason he speaks in parables is so that no one will understand him, lest . . . they . . . should understand . . . and should be converted, and I should heal them. (Matthew 13:10-15)
Jesus explains why he speaks in parables to confuse people so they will go to hell. (Mark 4:11-12)
Jesus advocates child abuse
Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. (Matthew 15:4-7)
Abandon your wife and children for Jesus and he’ll give your a big reward. Jesus asks that his followers abandon their children to follow him. To leave your child is abuse, it’s called neglect, pure and simple. (Matthew 19:29)
Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. (Mark 7:9)
A few other things about Jesus
Jesus says that those who have been less fortunate in this life will have it even worse in the life to come. (Mark 4:25)
Jesus sends the devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. Clearly Jesus could have simply sent the devils out, yet he chose instead to place them into pigs and kill them. This is called animal abuse. (Mark 5:12-13)
Jesus kills a fig tree for not bearing figs, even though it was out of season. Jesus must not be as smart as Christians would have us believe, for he was dumb enough to do something this silly. You’d think the son of god (god incarnate) would know that trees don’t bear fruit in dry season. (Mark 11:13)
Jesus okays beating slaves. (Luke 12:47)
>>74100956
>jesus is without a doubt the best way to be a human
I doubt that.
Brainwashed Polacks call Jesus a cuck yet he will come in the end of times and KILL the anti Christ
>>74106663
Jesus will come down and lick refugee feet
>>74100956
But most "Christians" aren't like that. Jesus knew some shit was bad and you shouldn't do it, but if you did he didn't give a fuck. Just quietly acknowledged that yea this guy/girl is going to hell/prison but they're still pretty cool.
Today's Christians go completely off their rocker apeshit when people wanna live their own lives.
"he that is without sin cast the first stone" just doesn't mean shit anymore.
>>74106782
Do you have a cuckold fetish?
>>74106624
>muslim detected
>>74106663
But he didn't according to Matthew 16: 27, 28 - which makes the whole faith redundant and me wonder why they'd include that bit in the bible when it's been written hundreds of years after the fact.
>>74106966
Except even Muslims are cucked to Jesus, they call him Isa (pronounced Eesa)
>>74106596
>“come not to send peace, but a sword.” Matthew 10:34
HE BROUGHT A FUCKING SWORD TO FIGHT THE EVIL YOU FUCKING HEATHEN!
>>74101106
Judaism is STEM. What goes on behind the scenes is that complex.
>>74106624
>>74106596
You have taken a few quotes out of context, strawmanned a bit, cherrypicked the rest.
The core message was to put societal love above one's selfish interests, including familiar ones, so every human could live in a society where everyone is part of a family. Such an Earth would be a paradise
Regardless of the applicability, it's a very noble concept that was never even mentioned before. And you clearly misunderstood his critique to the pharisees by calling them hypocrites for not following their own law to the fullest. He clearly didn't advocate killing kids.
You are just pulling things out of your ass like a spoiled kid who wants to be edgy to spite his grandma.
>t. atheist
>>74101019
That explains why Jews make full time jobs out of attacking Christianity.
Thats why jewish media shits on Christianity everyday.
Thats why Jewish Supreme court justices always rule against Christians.
Yeah dude sounds like you have this figured out.
>>74107016
No Christian would say that Jesus will not kill the anti Christ. It's part of the basic Christian belief.
fuck off shill
>>74107054
How many fights are there in the NT? I can think of one instance where a sword was about to be used and Jesus interrupted it like a wimp.
>>74107037
They also say that he was just a prophet and not the son of god and didn't die on the cross, kinda shitting all over the central tenants of Christianity. I don't see how that means that they're "cucked to Jesus".
>>74106060
He never said anything about whoring around being good.
The situation was a trap: They wanted to catch him.
If you analyze the situation closely you can see it: They catch a supposed adulteress in the act, yet her partner was not brought to him, why not?
So most likely there was no adultery involved and it is possible that the whole situation was later added as a fake as it is not in the earliest manuscripts of the Gospels.
>If someone attacks or robs you, never defend yourself. You wouldn't want them to get hurt, right?
This was a hyperbole, he tried to counteract the whole excessive revenge thing that was and still is going on.
>>74106624
you need to start taking your meds again, none of what you write is making any sense whatsoever.
>>74107054
>HE BROUGHT A FUCKING SWORD TO FIGHT THE EVIL YOU FUCKING HEATHEN!
No, he was predicting that sometimes being a true christian will not be tolerated even by ones own family members, thus creating divisions in the family.
Nonetheless it is also said in the Bible: "As long as it depends on you, try to make peace with everyone" thus the division should not come from the christian.
>>74107037
>>74106966
Have you ever noticed that Muslims never call Jesus anything bad when you make fun of Muhammad?
>>74107106
this x10, fucking heretics quoting Jesus out of context, I was going to debunk all of his copy paste from Reddit, with my Holy Book by my hands one by one, but this anon was quicker than me, also I'm not that good with english, nevertheless, this.
>>74107287
Did you not understand my post?
The time he said he would come back has long passed. Either he's incapable of coming back, which makes him weak and not worthy of worship, or he was making it up, which makes him a liar and not worthy of worship. Your pick, but it seems like a waste to me.
>>74107106
>Regardless of the applicability, it's a very noble concept that was never even mentioned before.
Really?
>>74107054
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
Luke 19:27
>>74107502
>Hur dur therefore weak and not worthy of worship
hell is waiting for you my friend
>>74107502
"No one knows the time and the hour, neither the Son, nor the Angels but only the father".
He never gave an exact time, on the contrary, he advised everyone to keep on the watch as he would come when we least expected it.
>>74100956
>living like jesus is without a doubt the best way to be a human
amen
>>74107690
If I was to threaten you with some made up horrible afterlife you'd care just as much as I do right now.
Your greentext kinda misses the point. I personally think that he was just a fucking liar, of course.
>>74107298
>They also say that he was just a prophet and not the son of god and didn't die on the cross, kinda shitting all over the central tenants of Christianity. I don't see how that means that they're "cucked to Jesus".
The Bible also says that, shame even mudshits know the Bible better than cuckstians.
>>74107841
>“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
Where's this immortal? You'd think he'd be around, spreading the word of Jesus, being a cornerstone of the religion, living proof that it's the truth.
>>74107662
He was talking about the pharisees (aka jews)
>>74108068
that happened a couple of days later when he took John, Peter and James with him on the mountain and was transformed before their eyes and spoke with Moses and Elisha (?).
>>74100956
People have been trying to live like Jesus for 2000 years now. It obviously hasn't worked out so any rational person would realize it's time to move on and try something else.
>>74100956
>living like jesus is without a doubt the best way to be a human
No, being a shiftless monk-errant is objectively the worst way to live. How you could idolize such a lifestyle instead of scorning it I can't understand.
>>74108314
>any rational person would realize it's time to move on and try something else.
Such as Islam and Feminism in your country. :^)
>>74108314
Like trying to be a Mohammed?
>live like jesus
>can't get job because of bum hair
>>74101019
>>74102348
>>74103993
>thinks Jews invented Christianity to deceive goyim
>The whole premise is, 'we killed your God.'
kek ok
>>74106239
>Because Jesus used the KJV, right?
The most devote Christian Zionists I've met were all KJV-only fundamentalists.
>>74108200
Ah right, so its ok to slay Jews so he can witness the bloodshed?!
What a wonderful character, I have enemies yet I do not wish them to be dragged in front of me and slaughtered in a blood bath.
Not to mention all the slaying of men, women and children he ordered. even animals and plants, then when the men returned he said "wait a minute lads, you left the women alive?" "well yeah" "Go back and slaughter them too like I ordered!"
Such kindness and love.
>>74107662
What an egregious misquote. He was not referring to himself: he was quoting someone (a royal) in one of his parables.
>>74100956
Christianity can only create a world utopia if the entire planet was Christian.
Christianity would have gotten slaughtered and trampled a long time ago if there weren't for the "war on terror", which is anti-Christian and contradictory to the Christian principle of "loving your enemies".
>>74108583
Nope, literally Jesus' words and orders.
Read Luke 19 yourself instead of having it read to you by lying preachers.
>>74104955
How can this be true when all the sjws and "progressive" liberals in the West are anti-Christian atheists?
>>74100956
Preaching and pimping are 2 of the biggest cons in the world Why would anybody believe in an I invisible man in the sky, and why wouldn't a man take advantage of a stupid bitch?
>>74108594
Every religion claims and teaches peace but they also teach to fight back and to be harsh
>>74107298
>I can think of one instance where a sword was about to be used and Jesus interrupted it like a wimp.
Do you mean whrn they came to arrest him and his buddy stepped in to protect him? He actually cut the guy's ear off but Jesus said "naw bro, don't defend me" and put the guy's ear back on.
>>74105621
I keked
>>74109201
as are Muslims in the Quran (not counting the vile Hadiths) but Christians sure love cherry picking quotes out of context against them.
Not that Muslims need it because they follow the Hadiths which do a better job of turning them into sadistic murderous vile scum than any Christian could ever do.
>>74109207
>He actually cut the guy's ear off but Jesus said "naw bro, don't defend me" and put the guy's ear back on.
There you go. His faggot of a follower didn't even get the neck - that's the kind of warriors Christianity promotes.
You can't win battles when you immediately stop and heal the enemy.
>>74101652
You can only try your best and repent when you sin. All have fallen short of the Glory. Better to try than to just give up cuz "I'll never be perfect"
>>74100956
Christians have some really stupid views.
1. Hell eternally
Dumbest concept ever infinite punishment for finite crimes
2. Suicide illegal
I never understood the point of this besides "muh God doesnt want you to die"
3. No sex unless it's to have a baby
Retarded
4. Gluttony
So you can't enjoy or crave food?
5. Pride
Pride is what causes accomplishments.
>>74108300
I've read the entire Matthew 16 now. It doesn't say that anywhere.
Isn't bearing false witness a no-no?
>>74108888
>Nope, literally Jesus' words and orders.
Are you sure that's not a later scribal addition? New Testament historians bobble over all kinds of quotes and passages.
>>74100956
>living like jesus is without a doubt the best way to be a cuck
ftfy
>>74101748
moral relativists gtfo
>>74109632
>Are you sure that's not a later scribal addition?
I don't know, who wrote Luke?
>>74109667
>asking people to define their terms is relativistic
I'm a moral absolutist senpai.
>>74109626
chapter 17:1, seriously its like 3 verses later.
>>74109442
Yeah, it's shit like that shows Jesus was a gaywad and no kind of leader any honorable man would follow.
How could anyone follow someone who shuns honest work, never took a wife or fathered a son, never took up shield and spear and actively discourages defending him and yourself?
>>74105854
How do the two contradict? The New Testament is riddled with promises (made in the OT) being fulfilled, most of which through Jesus.
The Bible is full of heinous crazy garbage.
As Voltaire said, Christianity was 1000x better under the pre-Gutenberg Catholics when they refused to let anyone read the Bible and had based philosopher priests like Aquinas who used the church to actually improve people.
One thing that astonishes me is that there aren't more popular secular arguments for religious traditions.
>>74106516
>>74109442
the whole point is that it's not easy to forgive but it is holy. Jesus had hoardes of followers before he died who watched him preform actual miracles. He could have led an uprising against rome itself and rule the world as a king. But just like the final temptation in the desert jesus he denied it and healed his enemy even when being led to death. That's why he's the messiah and the other religious leaders (Muhammad) were just glorified violent kings.
>>74109620
>1. Hell eternally
Hell is eternal because people in hell continue to blaspheme God (which is sin).
>2. Suicide illegal
If He created you, He owns you. Who are you to decide when your purpose in this world is over?
>3. No sex unless it's to have a baby.
Only Catholics teach that lie. Don't listen to them. Sex is between husband and wife though.
>4. Gluttony
God isn't a killjoy. Do you think obesity in our two countries would be a problem if people obeyed just this one thing?
>5. Pride
"Whatever you do, do with all your heart, as to the Lord..." Colossians 3:3
Doing things for the glory of God is a much better motivation senpai (see Isaac Newton, Blaise Pascal, etc.)
>>74110251
leave troll.
>>74100956
I don't think sharia bloody allows it.
>>74100956
I believe in god, but jesus seems like a massive pussy. If he comes back seeking vengeance against the jews then i'll believe.
>>74110515
you are mixing up kindness and weakness. that's prision nigger tier mentality that you should always oppose.
>>74110006
>How do the two contradict?
The whole thing the LORD used to say Israel would always be his people and they had to keep to his commands but now anybody can be his people and most of those commands no longer matter.
>>74110338
>temptation in the desert
That story was stupid too. He's god, he can do whatever he wants. How can he be tempted when he can just have do anything because he's god?
>That's why he's the messiah
He's the messiah because he let himself be killed? I don't think that's any kind of messiah I want.
>>74109750
I was only asking if you were familiar with the critical, historical study of that passage. I'm not a historian, and I wouldn't claim that Jesus 'literally' spoke a thing without being familiar with the current critical, historical study.
As I've said, scholars don't always agree that what's written in the gospels is actually a quote from Jesus.
Oh, and I don't know who wrote Luke.
>>74110731
so you'd rather have a violent, tyrannical God than a peaceful, selfless one? Really?
>>74110409
>Hell is eternal because people in hell continue to blaspheme God (which is sin).
See the next answer
>If He created you, He owns you. Who are you to decide when your purpose in this world is over?
Father loses child to horrible painful disease, already lost wife to cancer, so depressed he commits suicide.
Eternal torment in Hell is the result.
What a lovely caring God.
>Only Catholics teach that lie.
They tell a few, but why are the lies you were told any more relevant? Could it be because you were born into that belief system based on geography by any chance?
>obesity
Not all overweight people are due to gluttony, some are fat because they eat cheap junk due to being poor. Look it up and educate yourself.
Sometimes its a thyroid problem, or a disease, sometimes psychologically people overeat just as some under eat. That wonderful perfect creation in action.
>Colossians 3:3
Written by Paul, who wasn't ever around Jesus, who also contradicts other commands in the Bible like don't eat pork.
>>74110731
also the temptations are kind of a misnomer. They were more like tests than temptations. He was being tested if he would abuse his powers as the messiah and give in to corruption.
>>74110807
>As I've said, scholars don't always agree that what's written in the gospels is actually a quote from Jesus.
You are absolutely correct, hence the various sects of Christians, multiple variations of the Bible (and im not talking translations), missing verses, changed verses, missing books, etc.
Yet people take it all as 'Gospel'....literally.
>Oh, and I don't know who wrote Luke.
Nobody knows.
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>>74100956
>post 20th century christianity
>a religion
Pick one.
Here is the truth
>torture a devout muslim
>say that you'll fee him if he says "muhammad was a sob, fuck him and allah"
>he wouldn't say it even you burn him alive
>torture a devout christian
>say that you'll release him if he says "jesus was a sob, fuck god"
>he says it as soon as you touch him with your knife. (even jesus died for them)
you know this is the truth. you can't deny that. modern christianity is no different than a new age "lets feel good and all will be good" "religion". it got no value compared to islam or judaism.
you see people defending what they got with shit tier weapons vs top tech armies. it's because they believe in heaven, that's why they don't fear death. christians pretending to believe in heaven, but they are not sure and they do afraid of death because of this. e: that's why shellshock is a christian majority thing or they are more vulnerable to it.
christians go to church to show how /fa/ they are, or to make their neighbours not to talk shit with them or smth. muslims go to mosque to feel the god, to pay their love and respect. they even wake up at 5 am to pray while christians don't pray at all. oh they eat turkey and sing songs.
a muslim that went to kaaba and holy lands are the happiest of happiest. while christians go vatican or hagia sophia to fill their instagram album. also hagia sophia is the symbol of christ cuckery atm. just think about kaaba being a church or museum. it would be a massacre.
anyway modern christianity is no different than an average "lets feel good" new age religion. bible is no different than average osho book. it doesn't worth shit anymore, it's not that spiritual. it's degenerate. it's WEAK, it's LOW ENERGY and it will get more emptier, more new ageish and eventually will be forgotten.
that's the fact.
>inb4 m-muh scientific contributions
see, you are still obsessed with material world thats how weak you are.
>>74109620
>>74110409
>>74111042
There is no Hell (as in: place of eternal torment) the bible teaches that death is the wage that sin pays. Thus once you have died, all your sins are gone, you cannot be punished for them.
Hell comes from a word that means "covering up", thus it was originally meant to mean the common grave. Which is why some bible translation say that Jesus went to Hell for 3 days after his death. Since he was without any fault, he could not comit sins for which he could have been tormented.
The concept of a fiery hell cam from pagan beliefs that infected christianity later on. It is completely contrary to everything that the bible teaches.
Lot of Edgyptians here
>>74101019
Sure it was.
Hell is a meme, it doesn't exist; there is only oblivion.
God is not an autist. He follows the spirit of the law not the letter. The father will be reunited with his wife and child.
>>74111303
Sorry if I got you wrong here but...
So there is no punishment for not sin in the afterlife?
So why bother caring about the Bible or God then? Surely its all rendered irrelevant?
>>74111297
Leafs submitting to islam
Go kiss some refugee feet
>>74106060
>>There's nothing wrong with women being adulters or whores, guys!
"Go and sin no more"
>>74111506
>not sin
ignore that "not" in there, I was writing something else then changed it.
>>74106596
>>74107054
The sword has always been interpreted as his word.
Hence the imagery a sword coming out of his mouth in revelations.
If you stand with Christ, be prepared to have the world stand against you.
>>74111506
To show God that you love him.
For all the benefits such a life brings already now.
For example.
>>74111506
The afterlife is stupid to care about. You can live a better life right now if you live righteously and love God and your fellow man.
>>74100956
Peace and love don't actually work as well as intended.
No one can be Jesus. He is perfect.
He is presented that we understand that the only way to heaven is through grace of God and not by works alone.
That doesnt mean we should not try to aproach his perfection, but we must keep in mind that we will always fall short and need his presence to make up the void.
>>74111042
>suicide causing eternal damnation
Not in the Bible as Jesus' blood covers all sin of the believer
>defending any type of obesity whatsoever
I don't have anything to say about this
>y-you cant eats shellfish or pork!!! Hahaha stupid Christian read the Bible for once LOL
Acts Ch. 10
>Paul wasn't around Jesus so his words don't matter
Acts Ch. 9
>new testamnet contradicts the old
Confirmed for not ever picking up a Bible
>>74111708
so what if I don't bother? what if I blaspheme against him too?
what if I simply don't believe any of it and what if I turn into a serial murdering and raping scum that goes on to become a dictator and drive others to commit genocide of innocent people?
Also where would the Devil/Satan come into thing? the Bible sure seems adamant there is a hell.
>>74111761
Peace is the only satisfaction that matters. All other desires in life are fleeting and in one way or another a desperate, flailing effort to catch a small finite piece of pleasure. Peace however is the freedom from the rat race. Through peace we become more than just simple animals that kill or be killed. We can become like God when we shun war and hate.
>>74111297
Western Christianity is not real Christianity. Also Muslims are permitted in the Qu'ran to curse their own belief if their life is on the line. Meanwhile, you have people getting slaughtered every day in other countries for their belief in Christ, so I really don't know what on Earth you are talking about.
>>74111715
I live my life to the best I can and treat others how I want to be treat because I care about setting a good example to my kids and because it feels good to be nice, not because a God told me so in a questionable book of which there are many many variants.
>>74111303
Heretic detected. Romans 6:23 pls
>>74112034
Who wrote Acts?
>>74112142
Guess what?
You won't have peace.
>>74112260
>feels good to be nice
What is nice and what is not nice? What dictates right and wrong? Is there good and evil, or do you deny both?
>>74112392
Judge not lest ye shall be judged?
>>74112258
>no true scotsman
christcucks on damage control
>>74112445
Luke. But you're denying pretty much anybody who never saw Jesus firsthand, but Paul did see Jesus firsthand. Luke wrote the book of Luke and Acts as a defense for Paul before he was executed.
>>74109606
Considering yourself perfect in a sin anyway. Only certain protestant heresies believe themselves 'prefect' once they've given away their banking info, and they're the most hateful Christians.
>>74112260
that feel good feeling is holy. That's the stuff that God loves and you can feel it when you live righteously. Christianity has a terrible image that keeps good people like you out and as a follower I'm sorry for it. I hope that I can help change that image in someway before I die by being a good example of a christian and not shoving it down peoples throats.
>>74112493
John 7:24 pls
>>74112483
If I stab you, it hurts, do I want you to stab me? No, because it hurts.
Therefore stabbing is not nice, and because I wouldn't want it happening to me, how about I don't stab you and you don't stab me?
Same applies to rape, stealing, hitting, being mean to hurt your feelings, etc.
If you need a book to tell you that then I'm sorry but common sense is severely lacking and you are on autopilot not doing things because of fear of Hell or upsetting God, not very human of you.
These moralities are also in tribes found in jungles who have no concept of the Abrahamic God.
>>74112068
That would be unfortunate and when judgement day comes you would be killed with no possibility of resurrection. (Called the second death in Revelation).
Satans eventual fate is the same: Nonexistence.
He has been banished out of heaven, which is why earth is so crappy right now as he is a bit pissed of about that.
There is one text that can be translated as if the demons were cast to hell, but the word used in the original text is "tartarus" as verb. Tartarus in the greek mythology was never a place of punishment for mortals, always reserved for the "higher ups".
It simply means that they have been cast out from the presence of God.
>>74112392
"For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift that God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord"
what does that have to do with Hell being real?
>>74112607
t. Ahmed
>>74112874
Hell is death
>>74112452
I already do, friend.
>>74112693
and yet here we see judgement of fatties.
>>74112034
>>74112932
Not quite, death is nonexistence.
Hell is torment.
Since there is nothing (concious) after death, there can be no torments.
>>74112991
>being this deluded
You can't have peace.
it's not a human condition.
>>74112874
So I will be a ghost forever or just nothingness, like the billions of years before I was born as Atheists describe death?
>>74108314
>>74108314
nobody listens to sweden anymore, your all mudslime sandniggers as far as the rational world is concerned. Enjoy your non-homogenous population growth.
>>74113073
It's greater than the human condition. That's what makes it holy. You can live as a cynic and think I'm silly but I am actually happy. I affirm life and thank God for everything I have even when I'm in poverty. Try it sometime and you'll have peace too.
>>74113097
Before you were born you did not exist at all.
A ghost would imply consciousness.
After your death you will return to that.
However thanks to God he has the power to resuscitate you as a perfect human here on earth, as described in Revelation 21:3-4
>>74112607
That pic is wrong on every level:
>Islam never had a golden age, all their scientific advancements came from the libraries of Byzantium (in other words they were Byzantine).
>Abortion is murder period.
>Judaism was the one true religion before Christ.
>Providing alms is a part of Christianity, it is not forced because you should make the choice yourself.
>God is universal, Mecca is just a place.
>Byzantium fell because the Catholic Venetians stabbed them in the back.
>The Crusades where called by an evil pope.
>Orthodox is growing, the heretical churches are falling. Islam coverts people via conquest and since they got fucked by the industrial revolution they haven't been conquering much.
>>74113374
did you ever think for a minute you are just justifying your unfortunate circumstance in that situation as to not feel disappointed by life?
>>74112607
It's like pol have a cuckold for islam now
>>74100956
Jesus was a jealous socialist upstart
anyone claiming to be the son of God is automatically laughable in present year, so why would it be legit in present year -2000
>>74107913
Hardest*
>>74113406
why would I want to return to existence when I could simply be switched off and not have to suffer life again? its pretty miserable and painful to be honest, look around you, if you have rose tinted goggles on then I guess you can switch off to starving babies, raped children, war, illness, pain of losing loved ones, etc. I can't, and believing in a deity really can't help me stop feeling for people in them situations or myself having to witness and suffer these things personally (some of them). Why on Earth (literally) would I want to return to this planet as opposed to just bam, gone, nothingness, not knowing that im dead because there is no knowing of anything as thought is gone. literally wouldn't care, I'm pretty sure religion is all about fear of death only.
>>74108594
Amen
>>74108888
Luke 19 is Jesus quoting a parable.
Stop lying or at least inform yourself.
>>74113513
I did. I was homeless and I hatedeverything in my life. I felt cursed and ground down by life. Then I looked up and thought why am I bitching so much? I'm alive. The world is beautiful. I don't need anything but to live as God wants me live. Like the lilies that don't have to work but are taken care of by god anyways because they live as they should. That was 5 years ago and I'm now in my own office with a car and a house to boot. I have so much to pray and thank God for.
>>74113374
You don't actually have anything.
Let alone peace.
Deep inside you're as unhappy as the rest.
>>74113898
meh, one day possibly, I have to live for others selfishness for now because I care about the negative impact on others that would do, as selfish as people claim suicide is its selfish to call it that and selfish to want somebody to suffer a shitty life just so you don't have to cry for 10 minutes if you give the slightest shit about me (not you, but my family). Not quite at an hero point yet but don't see the point in life, I looked into religion as I was agnostic and all it resulted in was me becoming an atheist.
>>74114153
Stop projecting anon. Just gotta accept that others out there are actually happy.
>>74114007
I like Luke 17:36, Luke 22:43, Luke 22:44 and Luke 23:17.
Can you tell me what they say in your physical Bible you have please.
>>74114261
>Just gotta accept that others out there are actually happy.
We just gonna see how happy you really are.
it'd be a shame I probably won't be there to see your reaction.
>>74114153
You desperately want to believe that because you are unhappy but it's not a universal condition. I have my peace. I'm alot older than most people on this board and you are probablly a young guy who has a lot of internal anger but with time you can let yourself go from it. Don't let yourself turn from a youthful rebel to an old cynic. It is the path to misery and is unfortunatley becoming more and more common as we continue to abandon hope in the guise of reason.
>>74113881
Life IS shitty right now, sorry if I did not make it clear that this is my oppinion.
However the bible promises that this is only temporary. Soon God will do away with all unrepentant evildoers, with the devil and with all sicknesses and death itself.
This is what he means when he says "I make all things new" in Revelation ch. 21 verses 3-4.
Then it will be as God had originally intended it for humanity back in the garden of eden, before the first Sin.
>>74114565
You mean when God lied to Adam and Eve?!
>>74104955
why don't you read the bible instead of posting retarded shit?
>>74114666
Where did he lie to them?
"On the day you eat from the fruit you will die"
This is exactly what happened, contrary to what the devil promised them.
>>74114787
Did they drop down dead from poison?
At least use the line "God knew they would eat the fruit" like many Christians use. Or else you are saying God giving them free will was a mistake he didn't foresee.
>>74114527
>muh happiness
People are never happy.
One day you'll notice that little feeling resonating in the back of your head.
>>74114393
>Luke 17:36
Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
>Luke 22:43
And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
>Luke 22:44
And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
>Luke 23:1
For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.
What about them?
Could you please take a stance on you taking out of context Luke 19, Ahmet?
>>74114961
They started dying the day they ate from it.
God gave them the gift of free will, making it possible for them to be more than robots.
He could have foreseen it but if he foresaw every single detail of a persons decision this would run contrary to the free will.
Besides just because he could, does not mean that he does all the time. Or do you listen to all tv stations at the same time just because you can?
Free will itself was not a mistake. This was proven by Jesus who also had the free will as a human, was exposed to much more severe temptations and trials as Adam and Eve ever were, yet remained loyal to God.
>>74101645
Have you just discovered death?
>>74100956
Turn the other Cheek has been corrupted into "always surrender" plus all the other shit about not caring about what's happening on Earth.
Christianity is cancer because it doesn't provide for or protect the next generation.
>>74106239
>more and more ppl believe in rapture
>in Luther's time
Rapture is an American protestant invented theoligical theory and one of the dumbest
>>74115062
Which Bible are you reading? KJV, NIV?
>>74100956
Thta's right. Even if you don't believe in God, Jesus teaching were good.
>>74115589
KJV and other ones aswell, mostly on the internet where i do cross reading.
>>74115768
Teachings*
>>74115062
those verses are omitted in a lot of modern versions, he's saying he 'likes them' to be edgy.
>>74100956
Yeah, I'm not into the whole "let other people walk all over me like a cucked little British bitch" thing.
>>74115589
I still can not see anything regarding Luke 19.
Whats that, Ahmet?
>>74115792
You will find those verses are missing in some Bibles.
Many verses are missing or completely changed, some are word for word completely copied between Mark and Mathew, I don't mean matching accounts, I mean literally word for word the same.
Some books are unknown authors.
Here's the biggest problem most Christians never seem to want to address.
By reading the Bible (and having to unfortunately go through the headache of comparing them) I came to the conclusion that Paul was likely a false apostle, yet most Christians today insist on following his word.
He contradicts Jesus' word and the other apostles.
Controversial but something you need to look into.
Upon coming to this conclusion before I had the internet I soon found I wasn't the only one that came to this conclusion, many even believe he was the first anti-Christ.
>>74100956
>are there any legitimate objections to Christianity? Even if you don't believe in God living like jesus is without a doubt the best way to be a human
The more I've been consumed by degeneracy, the more I've begun to realize this.
>>74116352
Calling me Ahmet doesn't make me a Muslim dummy, you're as much Muslimified as Britain so lets not take that cheap argument to make yourself feel better because you only make an ass out of yourself.
I already said it wasn't out of context, if you choose not to believe that, that is your problem not mine.
>>74116394
>By reading the Bible (and having to unfortunately go through the headache of comparing them) I came to the conclusion that Paul was likely a false apostle, yet most Christians today insist on following his word.
>He contradicts Jesus' word and the other apostles.
Could you back this up?
>>74116394
>He contradicts Jesus' word and the other apostles.
Sola scriptura, not even once.
>>74116394
kek, you really are a muslim. the whole 'biblical corruption' and anti-paul shit is their de-facto line of attack
>>74116597
Luke 19:12
>He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
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Luke 19:27
>But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Clearly out of context.
Sorry but, your arguments are remarkably similar to the muslim ones.
If everyone attempted to live as Jesus Christ intended, even if they just tried, we would have peace on earth overnight.
All you have to do is make the choice.
>>74116949
Luke 19:28 "After Jesus SAID THIS..."
>>74117015
Ocourse, he was narrating a story.
Besides, Paul cannot be the Anti-Christ because he heavily advocating for the death and ressurection of Christ, which, if he was one, could not really be possible.
Muhamed, on the other hand...
Come on dude.
>>74100956
Christianity is nothing but a tool, adopted by the Roman elites in order to civilize(break) and domesticate the many Pagans which were under their control. Because of the slave trade and implicit race-mixing, the peoples have also become more numerous and stupid, thus accepting Christianity and it's simplist one almighty God, in favore of the more complex pantheons, which offered more structure and moral archetypes.
