help us make the EU Great Again.
For instance, transparency can go a long way. If all EU laws and provisions, in details (i.e. broken down into their components) would be online just like wikipedia with a discussion page, this European Union Wiki could be open to all Europeans and companies to criticize and talk about.
This way, bad legislation or too detailed legislation etc. could be easily spotted and removed or corrected. this could create a working legislative framework and reduced red tape.
The EU is essentially a free trade area. If it works well, then everyone benefits. The "political" elements of the EU are barely noticable, with the exception of free movement of workers. But the negative effects of free movement can be easily remedied by stop handing benefits to foreigners unless they have worked several years and paid into the system for several years.
Bomber Harris did NOTHING wrong.
>>74073784
>Greece
>Spain
>maybe even Turkey
Hans I thought you of all people would know your "union" has been nothing but trouble.
>>74073784
Fuck you, we're leaving.
>>74073910
DAS RIGHT
>>74073784
We tried Hans, every time we ever suggested improvements to make the EU more competitive, transparent and accountable we were defeated, bitched about by the lazy French/Spanish, called 'Little Englanders'.
Your on your own now.
>Britain instead of deciding your own shot pls stay and get veto'd on every decision by the other 20 something states that despise you
Ha no.
Sorry lads, we've come to far to back out now. There is finally some hope. Video related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UCm6LNj7P0
>>74073896
>Hans I thought you of all people would know your "union" has been nothing but trouble.
Turkey is not in the EU.
Greece should have not been bailed out. Not sure what this has to do with the EU. Porto Rico is not in the US and still bankrupt.
Spain is recovering fast. Read up about it. Ireland and Spain are actually good examples of why it can sometimes help to bail out countries instead of letting them go bankrupt.
>>74073910
>Fuck you, we're leaving.
Why are you against free trade?
>>74073980
>We tried Hans, every time we ever suggested improvements to make the EU more competitive, transparent and accountable we were defeated
That is BS. The UK is the prime reason why the EU is negotiating TTIP in secret (the US told the UK that they would not negotiate TTIP unless it was in secret and the UK pressured the other EU countries to not demand open negotiations).
The UK is one of only a few countries which is opposed to a directly elected EU Commission president.
The UK votes 95% of the times it votes in the EU Council with the majority and only 5% of the times against.
The UK has pressured the EU to create tough banking laws following the financial crisis, while Germany was saying "what the fuck, let's not be THAT bank unfriendly."
etc.
Don't buy all of the Cameron BS, m8. Read up on shit.
Anyway, there is an agreement in Europe to make the EU more competitive and remove unncessary red tape. But someone has to be in the drivers seat. Brits can try to be the driver, but only if they remain in the EU.
>>74073784
>brexit now
>dexit next
fuck of shill
>>74074012
Two things are striking:
• There was a big increase in the level of conflict in the council between 2004-09 and 2009-15.
• The UK government was on the losing side a much higher proportion of times in 2009-15 compared with 2004-09 (2.6% in the former period and 12.3% in the latter).
The next most frequently “losing” governments, Germany and Austria, were only on the minority side 5.4% of the time in 2009-15. However, one thing to note is the high level of agreement in both periods: the UK voted on the winning side 97.4% of the time in 2004-09 and 86.7% of the time in 2009-15.
>>74074260
Well Merkel vetoed large parts of Dave's reform package. And I don't believe Cameron one bit which is why I'm voting Out.
>https://www.yahoo.com/news/brexit-camp-says-berlin-vetoed-uks-eu-reform-084211983.html
>>74074512
>Well Merkel vetoed large parts of Dave's reform package.
What reform package?
And just because the "Brexit camp" says anything about reform, doesn't mean that actually happened.
There are certain disputes in Europe, but the push for transparency, democracy and free market reforms is mostly driven by Germany and to a large extent opposed by the UK - especially on the transparency and democracy front.
Plus, the UK is notorious in opposing any harmonization of the EU economy which can create more free trade. For instance, Germany has pushed for a more tightly integrated electricity grid and electricity market, which has been vehemently opposed by the UK. As a result, the UK and Germany have high electricity prices and France has low electricity prices.
>>74074098
It has to do with the eu becuase of a lack of unified monetary policy
As it sits now any nation can be a fuckup and wreck your currency.
Thats what happened with greece. Spain. Ireland.
Even if you say
>muh entry requirements
We all know many of your member nations werent up to chops and either bought thier way in or lied through thier teeth.
Is it fixable? Sure
But i dont aee why the brits would want to stay, especially with political clash over laws handed down by brussels.
DO NOT GIVE US BROTHERS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UCm6LNj7P0
VOTE LEAVE
>>74074934
You can go on about free trade all day, but a well crafted international trade plan would work better, and not carry with it all the eu regulations if a nation didint want them.
>>74075228
>As it sits now any nation can be a fuckup and wreck your currency.
And in America, states cannot fuck up and wreck the currency? You do know that California has big problems in the past which actually had a negative effect on the USD, right?
>>74075228
>Thats what happened with greece. Spain. Ireland.
They fucked up. Big deal. We bailed them out and told them to man up. Of the PIIGS, all countries except Greece have maned up and reformed. Greece is the odd one out, for various reasons. But even they are changing now.
>>74075228
>But i dont aee why the brits would want to stay, especially with political clash over laws handed down by brussels.
The problem with the UK is that Brits think once they leave the EU, red tape would be reduced. The opposite is the case. First, the UK would incorporate ALL EU legislation into UK national law when leaving and would then slowly change things. But it is hard to remove legislation and easy to change it or add to it. So, the UK will do the same thing it did for decades before it joined the EU, ADD legislation and red tape to existing legislation and red tape. Especially if LAbour wins again - which they will if Brexit happens. And then in addition to these UK legislation, in order to trade with Europe certain additional standards for products need to be adhered to.
Not to mention that it probably takes anywhere from 5-10 years to negotiate a comprehensive EU-UK trade agreement.
>EU
>reform
Pick one.
>>74075364
>all the eu regulations if a nation didint want them.
What regulation is that? Standards for cars? Regulations for all kinds of products so non-tariff barriers are removed and all companies in every EU state can sell their products everywhere?
Freedom of services across Europe?
Let's get real. If the Brexit campaigners could actually point to a specific provision in EU law which they do not like and which should be changed and they had a good replacement provision, don't you think they would bring this example all the time? The truth is, the Brexit campaigners can't even come up with a single provision they would truly want to change in EU day-to-day legislation.
>>74073784
>But the negative effects of free movement can be easily remedied by stop handing benefits to foreigners unless they have worked several years and paid into the system for several years
Cameron literally just tried this as part of the renegotiation but it was vetoed by the Polish PM because it would affect too many Poles in Britain. We're out. Bye.
>>74075706
EU has been subject to constant reforms since its inception.
>>74075758
>Cameron literally just tried this as part of the renegotiation but it was vetoed by the Polish PM because it would affect too many Poles in Britain. We're out. Bye.
Last I checked, the UK has the ability to stop ALL social benefits that are not work related and all in-work benefits for up to 4 years. Plus, the UK can limit child benefits to the level paid in a person's home country etc.
So what else should Cameron have demanded? An end to free movement? What then? Through out all the foreigners and wreck havoc to the economy?
>>74073784
>transparency in the EU
>reduced benefits
Keep dreaming, Hans.
>>74074934
>>74073784
Sod off for your lunch break shill.
can see your multiple threads touching on all this shit in various forms.
> Democracy
Unelected bureaucrats are not a democracy.
> Transparency
Your joking right? You deliberately hide events like rape murder and militancy to push your economic agendas.
> You are trying to rush through admission to TURKEY while preaching about "human rights violations" by opposing parties.
You also rushed through many other countries before resolving issues that have ruined the EU.
Now you are inciting hysteria and turning Europeans against each other to force your stupidity through.
>>74075900
Fuck off m8. Rip Germany. Muslim majority by 2025 ahahaha scum
Sucks 2 be nazi
We're out :^)
>>74074260
There is a trade agreement with all countries. You mean tariffless trading. Its simply not worth being ruled be unelected officials.
Lisbon was a red flag
>vote to streamline the EU and make everything more efficient by removing some of that pesky democracy!
Fuck EU, we got our roads, now fuck off
>>74073910
Based Britout.
>>74073784
>if we stay in the EU we could make it idealistic
You sound like Bernie. Britain needs to take back its sovereignty so it can undo its 1984-ness.
I've yet to meet people who are educated politically who are truly in favour of "out", and it makes sense that the more wealthy and the more intelligent you are the more likely you favour in.
Either way there are people in the out side that actually believe
a) that we can actually "leave", don't people understand that a leave process would likely take a decade and we would be left with a shit tonne of EU baggage
b) that we can actually escape the EU's influence. Every single country around the EU is suffocated by it. Do you really think its acceptable that a country like the UK is cuckolded like Norway or Switzerland? Is that really what a country of our power deserves. The UK is supposed to lead.
c) That the enemy is Europe? 100 years ago all of the great countries were European with the U.S and Japan kicking about. Thesedays its a different story. You want Europe to be a great and powerful/influential region, then why not this. Aren't the Roman Empire and Napoleonic empire supposed to be interesting or what if scenarios. We get the modern day inception of it and its wholly rejected.
Public opinion is shifting, the EU is a body that can be changed on that. Do you not think that it is rather an vehicle for a greater Europe if it is changed. Or do you want to divide Europe and let it burn again?
Do you want to make it harder for a German, French, Polish or based Hungarian to come to the UK and instead make it no harder than for Indians or Pakistani's. Sure pro-IN people are quickly dismissed as "fucking ahmed", but I'm not the one calling for "commonwealth immigration" over European immigration, nor the one who wants to shut it out.
The UK is one of the most multi-cult countries in Europe, probably the MOST in the Europe apart from Sweden. Especially in attitudes. You want to cut the common ties with the EU and let that develop? Fuck it.
>>74075737
The best economic booms (Industrial revolution, America's boom, Germany's economic miracle post war, Modern day Switzerland) have all come as a result of less government involvement/Bureaucracy. The EU is all about both of those things.
>>74073784
EU is Hitler
>>74073784
>EU Great Again
There's nothing "great" about selling out your national sovereignty to a bunch of unelected bureaucrats. There's nothing "great" about having your leaders sit around with other nation's leaders and conspire against their own populations. The ONLY way Europe can come back is a return to nationalism, where all peoples have their independence and self-determination and look out for each others first.
>>74075900
>UK has the ability to stop ALL social benefits that are not work related
These were In work benefits that are paid because all the eastern euros work the lowest paid jobs
>the UK can limit child benefits to the level paid in a person's home country etc.
The amount of ridiculous bureaucracy to go through to do that would be insane. Bulgarians, Romanians, Poles etc. Albania, Serba, Monenegro, Turkey still to joing.
Just no.
>>74076863
You have valid points but do you understand that Germany is abusing power in EU, we are saving their banks when we "save Greece", Germany is pushing sick agenda of getting millions of young muslim men here and forgetting Doublin Regulations to force migrant quotas to Poland
>>74073784
You have no power here shill!
>>74076863
>a) that we can actually "leave", don't people understand that a leave process would likely take a decade and we would be left with a shit tonne of EU baggage
That is only if we leave via article 50, which nobody wants to do. We would still be left with the EU directives (which are transposed into UK laws), and it may take a while to repeal the ones which we don't want but that's better than not being able to repeal them at all and piling more on every day
>b) that we can actually escape the EU's influence. Every single country around the EU is suffocated by it. Do you really think its acceptable that a country like the UK is cuckolded like Norway or Switzerland? Is that really what a country of our power deserves. The UK is supposed to lead.
Any idiot can see that Europe will never accept British leadership, and why should they? Their culture and attitudes are different from ours in small but significant ways. Even when we were a second or third rate power, Britain's interests have always been best served by remaining aloof from continental entanglements as much as possible. In fact you could characterise the entire history of England as an endless struggle on the part of the people and parliament to stop the crown from sticking it's cock in europe
>Hey guys, lets make Communism great again by talking about it!
>said the holol while waiting in line for five hours for his bread
>>74073784
Love Europe, hate the EU as the saying goes. I don't want to stay in a union run by people who think Europe should be African and Islamic.
>>74078421
The EU countries have an attitude of weakling and why wouldnt they? they tend to get dicked in every war unlike GREAT BRITAIN
>>74074260
>>Fuck you, we're leaving.
>Why are you against free trade?
Free trade and being a member of the EU are mutually exclusive.
Britain (and no other EU member) can decide on their own which trade deals they want to have and which not.
If you think that is "free" you are lacking a basic understanding of the world.
>>74078421
>but that's better than not being able to repeal them at all and piling more on every day
I agree. It seems as if the biggest argument from the IN-crowd is "it's just too late to leave, you will be stuck having to make laws for yourselves, it would be an inconvenience at this point." Frankly that seems like a great reason to leave
Also hilarious how they refer to their artificial markets as "free trade" after imposing some of the most strict trade regulations in the world
>>74073784
Disregard mohammed.
vote exit nigel, you have a chance to peel a scale of the kike dragon that is the EU.
>>74073784
>help us make the EU Great Again.
>again
when was the first time?
>>74079170
Tariffless trade is something that can be negotiated. The EU has no power to stop trading being done between countries. All they can do is put in barriers of entry that stop it being viable in terms of money.
>Britain
>Helping Europe
>Caring about Europe
They are so far up their own ass that they would rather see the continent crash and burn than help it.
>>74078896
>I don't want to stay in a union run by people who think Europe should be African and Islamic.
That's actually great and I agree with it, except you keep importing poo in loos and other darkies in general, EU or not. You've always done so.
>>74073784
>help us make EU great again
just let this Zionist monstrosity die, VOTE OUT!
>>74079456
Before their motives started to be questioned by plebs
I hope Brexit happens and then Frexit, then Grexit, then Spexit, then Swexit.
Leaving poor little Germany with all the debt.
>>74073784
Halt dein Maul du Spast. Ab nach Syrien mit Hurensöhnen wie dir.
Haha Germancuck lobbying as he knows his country will turn into a shithole the momeny German loses its export countries.
>>74073784
Nein Anon, Brexit JETZT!
>>74073784
EU needs to be broken down and dismantled.
Let it fucking crash and burn.
Why the hell would you want to say in the " E.U "
I want to get the hell away from u.s.a and tear up every cuck trade deal we have going and enforce borders and strengthen our own business instead of globalizing ourselves.
>>74079546
Its not about caring about the continent. We dont like being told what to do by unelected officials.
>>74074098
Turkey will be in the EU if Merkel has her way.
The European border will then, in essence, border that of ISIS.
Please uncuck yourselves Britain, before the EU floods you with more fucking roaches.
>>74078421
>muh reddit history of Britain
Why try and invoke a centuries dated British attitude towards Europe as an argument, this is nothing more than a romantic ploy that has had no basis in reality for living memory and further.
And more again the idea of Europe as the other, we have more in common with France than they do with Hungary. Spain and Portugal are not Denmark and Sweden. I imagine you are a nationalist so what purpose do you have in reducing European nationalism to a single entity and thus undermining the vast array of European nations that are equally or further detached from each other as our own. The one thing that almost all European nations follow are common values of liberalism, freedom, democracy etc and these are values common to us also.
Why does leadership have to come from one state, we have plenty of power to lead and we have weight inside Europe well suited to our power. Why then people who want a "Great Britain" want to have us attached to the EU with as much sway as minor nations is beyond me.
