Whats wrong with a 15 dollar minimum wage? Will it really fuck up America?
8.50 minimum wage is already ruining this country.
Minimum wage is stupid, because it pushes out of the market people whose jobs are worth less than minimum wage.
establishing minimum wage, doesn't increase the value of these people's work, it just makes some of them unemployable.
>>73939290
It already is, Wendys is now replacing cashiers with kiosks. Good luck socialist leftys. Now the working man gets fucked again.
>>73939290
everyone who supports it has no understanding of economics and/or is too lazy to go to uni
>>73939290
Where do you even get that number from?
these niggers just pulled 15 out of their asses it seems. Did they research anything?
Fuck off Jamal ... You don't deserve 15 an hour for frying chicken at kfc.
>>73939290
How will an increase in minimum wage help when there's no jobs?
Why pay minimum wage when you can replace most of those jobs with machines?
>What's wrong
Small businesses would go under because many of them can barely afford to pay their employees as it is.
>>73939290
Because those that ask for it don't even earn half of it.
>>73939610
One of the organizers admitted Fight for Fifteen made for a better motto.
>>73939488
>tfw it was a scam by the Democrats to push automation onto society faster
Trying to dictate market values is how you make yourself communist.
>>73939290
Bam.
Why $15? Why not $10? $12? $20? $30
Why is it fucking $15, and why has nobody explained WHY?
>>73939290
This is what '$15/ Minimum Wage" means: http://www.govtslaves.info/wendys-to-switch-to-self-ordering-and-automation-to-avoid-15hr-wage-hike/
The 'adults with families' working these jobs is a tiny, tiny percentage of who is working them.
>>73939290
>fight for 15$
Is this some military advertisement?
>>73939290
Also, as anon said,
Higher minimum wage will shut down local/small businesses which will leave our society/country with more dependency on the big companies that are already involved in corrupt government and market take over.
As minimum wage goes up, employment will go down as corporations won't want to pay higher wages for low to no skill work. This means increased dependency on the government which means more government control.
>>73939290
Fuck. Could you imagine if this were to happen county-wide?
>jobs at fast food resturants worth as much as mid-tier IT jobs or nursing positions
>have to go through multi-group interview process to get a job flipping burgers
>Cheeseburger costs $45
>>73939983
I refuse to believe arcade revenue climbed so much in the 00s
>>73939290
Meh. I don't see how the other minimum wages fixed anything. So I don't see how this one would.
>>73939834
hey man you just don't get it
it's all about feels not reals now
$15 just feels right
>>73940075
Have another then.
>>73939834
DUDE MONEY LMAO
>>73940075
I don't know man if they are counting adult arcades that serve beer and food then its possible
>>73939627
>Small businesses would go under because many of them can barely afford to pay their employees as it is.
this is a point that is always overlooked by the 15$ supporter. They always use big corporations like McD or Walmart as example of corporations with lots of money to spare forgetting that, while these giants may be able to afford it, the small business owner who struggles to compete with them won't, therefore leaving more room for these big corporations to expand. They are basically helping the very corporation they claim to hate.
I remember learning about price inflation and minimum wage in high school. What are they teaching people these days??
>>73939983
>>73940138
is this someone trying to make a shitty "correlation =/= causation" meme, cause these are fucking terrible examples if so
I'm all for it, fuck it. I'm 25 years old working as a steelworker shitty manual labor job only making 11.50/hr. I work my balls off up there working most areas of the shop averaging 60+hour weeks yet I can barely afford to rent a 1br apartment that isn't section 8, and I don't even do that. I'm still at home. atleast with 15/hr I might be able to live outside of shitville, independently with nobody else's help. that's all I want.
>>73940301
I dont even think the giants could afford it.
McDonalds employs millions of people.
>>73940138
Thinking about space causes existential dread and more suicides or something kek
>>73940138
To compete with the Japanese excellence in science and technology the US adopted a high spend and eastern culture to compete. unfortunately this lead to a higher level of seppuku, due to the higher standards people now held themselves too.
In two years I went from an entry level position where I made 10 dollars an hour to a real job at the same company where I make ~21.50 an hr.
People should not be rewarded for being too lazy to pursue employment outside of fields that were intended to be staffed by literal fucking children.
Fuck these entitled faggots, bring on the robots.
>>73940386
That last one has an r-score of like 0.997. I'd say that's a pretty good example that correlation and causation don't necessarily imply each other.
>>73939290
Raises the cost of living for everyone else, inflation and the fact that employers/businesses will ramp up automation to replace workers.
A moderate minimum wage increase to $12 or 12.50 bucks a n hour with some logical regulation is the smartest thing to do, but that won't be happening.
>>73939290
I think you guys are ignorant gredy capitalists.
we deserve 40 dollars an hour minimum wage.
>>73940437
yes, I thought about that after I posted
It's weird, this guy runs legal sweat shops, right here in the states. The working conditions are HORRIBLE, from all the accounts I've read.
I'm surprised that no one has asked his opinion.
I'm sure he'll get some sort of waiver, though, he usually does.
Only 2% of full time workers are on minimum wage
Someone post the Wendys thing!
>>73939290
#FightFor15
Stupid, entitled, lazy America. You think you are such Kings and Queens that any position available will provide for your comfort.
You use the Government to stuff your own greedy pig faces hahahaha! You even want to Government to legislate financial security now?
You are finished. You are BROKE America, I'm debt and beyond debt.
>>73940657
i didn't even see my state brother had requested it before posting it. we're mind linked
>>73940516
>Raises the cost of living for everyone else, inflation
Yup, especially those now unemployed due to the aforementioned automation.
These people are literally retarded.
Fuck, I miss when fast food joints were actually staffed by students instead of dropouts and ex cons. At least a 16 year old is still learning.
>>73940437
>>73940600
It's because people who support minimum wage only look up and see assholes so they think everyone must be like that since they don't look down to see the shit. Little do they know that they're a shitty asshole as well.
Kinda easy to propose stupid ass ideas like "fight for 15" when you have no idea what you're talking about. Did you really expect a liberal to think big picture instead of just them self?
>>73940727
What stops companies from doing this right now?
Why would they even need to wait for minimum wage to get hiked up?
>>73940437
they can afford these tho
>>73939290
A better question is why it should be $15. The entire argument is backwards - the amount a job pays isn't determined by the standard of living it's supposed to support. It's the same sort of argument used by people who complain that CEOs make too much money, as though compensation has passed some sort of threshold and any extra money is just being wasted.
>>73940898
because it's cost efficient to have employees over the machine system at $8/hr, but not at $15/hr?
>>73940798
I feel really bad for 16 year olds/teenagers who won't be able to get a first time job soon. The ones who value hard work and wanting to gain first time experience and learn to be independent will be denied a job because leftists pushed for minimum wage hikes that resulted in robots taking all the jobs.
Kids won't be able to learn any valuable job skills.
>>73940414
Bullshit. That's almost $3500 a month gross. Takehome would be at least $2500.
>>73939834
>>73939610
>>73940123
Want to see what happens when you start asking them questions about how it all works?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q437BX7IXd8
>>73940898
Even if machines don't save much money compared to workers presently (and they probably do) there is a start up cost associated with implementing electronic kiosks. As a result companies think, eh, we don't need to book losses for a quarter if we just keep things as is. But if a minimum wage hike gets approved and they suddenly need to start paying out the ass for their employees they may as well bite the bullet and buy a machine that doesn't need benefits.
>>73940836
>Did you really expect a liberal to think big picture instead of just them self?
Of course not, but I expect their craziness to be tempered by the politicians on the left, who should know better, rather than pander to the idiocy.
How about being reasonable? What the fuck is wrong with ten?
Respectable entry level posititions all pay ten now anyway, those will go to 12 or 13, burger flippers can make ten, and we can all carry on with an improvement that doesn't completely collapse the economy.
>>73940981
>>73941102
Makes sense.
>>73939290
It's a tax on everyone earning more than 15 dollars an hour.
>>73941025
That's right. And even if they can find an opening they'll be undercut by an illegal.
The only "skill" future teenagers will learn is how to blame the system for keeping them down just like blacks. Crazy how "progressive" policies keep reinforcing this cycle. But I guess that's the point right? Make it shit for everyone and we're all finally equal.
>>73941095
Posting again with a picture because that gets attention!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q437BX7IXd8
>Neil asks a question.
>Naquasia says "Let's just say..."
>Follows with a statement that doesn't follow.
>Plus it's not an argument.
>>73940301
this
I have been working for my father for one year, for free, because if i dont work for him the business will die, and he's not old enough to retire yet.
They take 40% of our income every year, and recently i've been trying to figure out ways to save money via tax cuts. I cant even grant him a tax cut by declaring work hours because there's not enough money to pay me minimum wage. I did the math, with the money we on average declare, he's living(my mother subsidizes my non existent income with food money with her 50k/yr income) on 28.37 dollars a day.
And the govnerment keeps bringing mexicans in, which have over saturated the job market, and the ignorant goyim shop at these big companies like walmart and target, further killing off all the local business.
The government has become a tool designed to destroy independent family and culture. They send wave after wave of ignorant, uneducated, scum into my neighborhood, and now i'm part of the 10% white left in my county.
THEY DONT EVEN SPEAK ENGLISH.
>>73941360
Well it only encourages more and more young people to be dependent on the system, since eventually the government will start handing out basic income cheques every month because they can't get a job.
As a moderate liberal I just don't get why so many leftists want these outrageous skyrocketed wage increases that will hurt more than help.
This planet is going to shit.
>>73941138
>10 dollar minimum wage to flip a burger
I worked in a call center making $10 an hour and earned every cent of it. I've also worked in fast food.
>Little Caesars
>McDonalds
>Burger King
I'd rather flip burgers and make pizza for $8 an hour than make $10 wanting to kill myself at a call center. Keeping the minimum wage what it is isn't a bad idea at all mostly because it keeps the competitive market. I've only seen crap jobs pay min wage and that seems reasonable. It also motivates the individual to say "I can flip burgers or make phone calls but one pays more" and get a new job that pays more learning something new.
>Being reasonable?
7.25 at 40 hours is roughly around 250 every 2 weeks meaning roughly around 500-600 every month. I had a one bedroom apartment on that same salary just fine. What I think the problem is that people want to be payed more for shit work because they know they bombed out at life.
I haven't heard a good argument in favor of minimum wage increase that didn't involve "MUH FEELS!" or "It's [current year] come on!".
>>73939488
They only hire 6'4" chefs with a 9" cock at $130,000 no more no less. It's a bizarre hiring practice that has nothing to do with the minimum wage.
>>73941095
Wow, she really doesn't seem to grasp just how expendable people like her are.
>>73941539
>I just don't get why so many leftists want these outrageous skyrocketed wage increases
For the same reason that this dog is doing what it's doing.
Today Obama said that the US should be more like Nordic countries.
Swedes and Norwegians apparently get government mandated 25 vacation days every year
will the dems push for mandatory paid vacation days for every worker next?
it'll mean more automation like what Wendy's is doing
How come there are no liberals who protest against the Fed?
>>73941089
my point still stands.
>>73939290
It's already happening, Wendys and some McDonalds have self service kiosks now, eliminating cashiers
>but m-muh easy jobs, muh $15 an hour
http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/05/13/wendys-increases-self-service-kiosks-overcome-minimum-wage-hikes
>>73941800
Eh an extra week of vacation is fine. Don't go overboard though.
>>73941632
>7.25 at 40 hours is roughly around 250 every 2 weeks
Not sure if woman or nigger...
Why not give the $15/hr minimum wage to Poland or North Korea instead? They need it more than American liberals do.
>>73941823
They're not told to.
>>73940657
I'm a professional cowboy and I use catheters. Been cowboyin' for 25 years. I've had 14 broken bones, 2 concussions and a punctured lung. I know pain and I don't want any more of it. Especially when I cath.
>>73941539
That's what I'm afraid of. If we ever become dependent on the government to the extent we depend on it for our very livelihoods we are completely at its mercy. The government of this country was supposed to fear the people, not the other way around.
We keep getting closer and closer to a reality where we stagnate and forget everything we swore to believe in as a people. And what will bring this about is nothing more than lowbrow, cynical, identity politics. Breaks my heart.
>>73941943
>>73941928
>Fed assfucks the entire American population for the past 30 years
>nobody cares
>>73941823
Their universities blame all fed/banker/government actions on "the rich" aka people who make between $60k and $500k per year. The proles lash out at the rising gentry, so the entrenched aristocracy can stay entrenched until their inbred nepotist heirs wind up dying in their 20s.
>I'm educated because my degree in opinions says so
>>73941138
a reasonable minimum wage is a min wage set on the average cost of life which goes up about every two years or so at the same rate as inflation.
the minimum wage should be set by states and not by the feds in order to reflect the cost of life of that state.
This is what we currently have in Canada and it's working just fine.
>>73941978
The future is going to be Mass Surveillance Socialism mixed with corporatism. The Government and Mega Corporations will be in complete control, everyone will go to the breadlines and go back to their tiny homes. Anyone who speaks out will be charged a terrorist.
We are fucked.
>>73941824
>my point still stands.
What point is that?
The one where you can't afford an apartment when you make $2500+ a month after taxes?
You poor dumb bastard.
>>73941095
>peoble `re oleady losing they jobs
>losing they homes
>Receibed a raize
The way she couldn`t properly pronounce her words hurt. I don`t know what to think man. They are working at fast food because they made one mistake after another and wound up there. But the way she said she deserved 15$ bothered me. A secretary can make that. A roofer can make that. But that involves effort.
>>73941865
Honestly I'd get behind a candidate that offered the idea of federal mandating three or four weeks of vacation every year. I don't have a shit job that pays less than $15 and I'm about $3k from paying off my student loans so I don't need college freebies.
>fight for $15
>fight/15 in white
>the silhouette is black
GIBS ME DAT
>>73939290
inflation, how does it work?
>>73940727
Order. Eat. Repeat.
Is this really there slogan?
holy fuck
>>73942146
>>73941138
plz take note that while cost of living should not include smartphones and other expenses that are not necessary for life, it should still be higher than welfare in order to keep people at work
>>73941632
I earned 10 dollars an hr doing shipping compliance for a half billion in revenue a year company and was promoted twice in two years and now make more than double that.
Why were you attempting, or expecting, to make a career in fast food or answering phones? Those jobs are LITERALLY for part time women and children who are in school.
You may have earned your pay but you did not accrue any skills that would justify paying you more. The work force is a ladder, if you refuse to even attempt a climb you don't deserve shit.
>>73939290
http://www.investors .com/politics/policy/wendys-serves-up-kiosks-as-wages-rise-hits-fast-food-group/
THE FUCKING PLEBEIANS TOOK THE B8. RIP IGNORANT MASSES.
>>73939481
Underrated post
>>73942312
>The work force is a ladder, if you refuse to even attempt a climb you don't deserve shit.
this 100%
if you're not willing to do more than the minimum, you don't deserve more than minimum
>>73942273
>plz take note that while cost of living should not include smartphones and other expenses that are not necessary for life
Good luck explaining the concept of wants and needs to these people we have here. You might as well be speaking Spanish.
Actually speaking Spanish would probably help you in conveying your point. Fucking Christ we are so fucked..
>>73941882
Sorry about that been a long day.
7.25 at 40 hours is about 500 every 2 weeks roughly around 1k/month depending on your state.
My point still stands that you can live on minimum wage the problem is that most businesses don't give you 40 hours a week. My gf works at Pizza Hut and only gets about $120 every pay period because "they can't afford to give her full time".
>>73942312
You're right on everything you said there. That's why I'm not lobbying in favor of a minimum wage increase.
If you want to get out of making a life of an entry level position you don't deserve $15/hr. period full stop.
>The work force is a ladder, if you refuse to even attempt a climb you don't deserve shit.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
>answering phones
I wish that was what it was. More like survey data collection but the point still stands it is worth paying more than flipping burgers. I'm not saying $15 because that would be too much but not min wage. $10 seems like a good idea for things like this because it gives you incentive to stay at the company.
>>73942256
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>>73941943
Why is this so funny?
>>73939290
>unemployed, unskilled, and unfrugal people asking for immediate $15/h
JUST SQUANDER MY SHIT SENPAI
>>73939290
>falling for the minimum wage Jew
You realise its a trick created by the banks to keep people from ascending a ladder based on their jobs worth right?!
You also realise it doesnt matter if its $12,15, 20 or $50 as inflation will just push the cost of living up and it all evens out anyway right?!
Thats the beauty of non-gold backed currency.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUIgft1ZXZs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpePh4Cal58
One of their first spokespeople was a woman who had been working there for ten years and thought she deserved a raise for doing the same job for that long and having two children during that time.
They don't even try to persuade people any more, they just try to get you to accept the worst bullshit by acting like they're not fucking with you. It's like a shit test.
>>73941095
>letting a nigger who can barely speak onto national television
why
If fast food workers are gonna earn 15 bucks, I fucking better too. I don't like the idea that shuffling from side to side at a counter is somehow more demanding then working outside in New England weather 8 hours a day
>>73942550
>My gf works at Pizza Hut and only gets about $120 every pay period because "they can't afford to give her full time".
I ran a large nightclub for years. Sometimes we'd have a shit night where I'd have to cut staff. It happens. I'd always ask who wanted to get cut before telling anyone to click out. Funny enough, I never had to cut anyone who didn't want to go. 90% of the time it was chicks, and they were excited to go, until they saw their paycheck. Then they cried because it was less than they expected. They always forgot this by the next time I had to ask if anyone wanted to leave early.
>>73939290
Why $15? Why not $12 or $20?
Posted it before, they're going to have to wait up to six years before they even get $15, if there isn't an economic collapse or laid off. In that time they can get a degree. If they really are getting welfare while working, I'm sure they can get financial aid.
>>73943195
Read the thread. It literally won't matter because prices will go up. Raising the minimum wage doesn't do anything, it's a big jewish meme.
isnt the min wage in the usa around 10 bucks an hour? here we raise the min wage like 5 or 10 euros every year or so ( on monthly wage) and lots of ppl lose their minds saying it will cause trouble to small companies.
>>73943401
$7.25, higher in some places by local/state ordinance
>>73940727
Thank God.
I bet the fucking robot will actually get my order right.
>>73942483
I have two Polish coworkers, both came off the boat at the same time and both started working at my company at the same time. Let's call them Pole A and Pole B.
Pole B:
>speaks English but generally prefers to only use the language for cursing when "kurwa" won't convey his points
>has only learned how to drive a hi-low and wander off when there looks like there might be work in the vacinity
>goes to smoke a cigarette every 30 mins despite us having a corporate policy that you're only allowed two breaks a day in addition to lunch
>he knows the door he smokes at is monitored by camera due to CTPAT and just doesn't gaf
>drives a shit car, lives in a shit house, is poor and angry
Pole A:
>started in the same position as Pole B
>hasn't had to drive a hi-low or lift heavy boxes in years
>he was promoted to inventory control supervisor years ago
>speaks English fluently
>everyone leaves him the fuck alone so long as he does his job (which he does, excellently)
>drives a new Chrysler every couple of years and has a nice house out here in the rich ass suburbs with his Polish wife and his two Polishly named boys.
Some people get it and some people are retarded. We need to stop giving attention to retards, it's validating their shit tier decision making.
>>73941411
>Dat name.
Fucking niggers.
>>73940414
Where do you live and who lives with you?
>>73939290
> 1 post by this ID
Just another hit & run shill poster.
nothing to see here
>>73941095 >>73941411 >>73941669 >>73942170 >>73942974
Oy. Vey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmji36q8E4o
>>73942930
I still don`t understand why these people just don`t get training and move on. I`m going to bet they literally can`t. Their education is what limits them from moving on.
>>73942930
Did any of these people ever think to develop skills, get a real job, or get legal citzenship?
Like holy shit, these jobs ARE FOR CHILDREN. Saying that you're doing the job and then appealing to me with the fact that you are not a child does not move me, it only proves to me you are not a person worthy of being taken seriously.
>hurr durr I'm paid like a kid to do a kid's job
>but I'm actually an adult
That's your fucking problem right there you stupid fucking nigger.
>>73939290
>Whats wrong with a 15 dollar minimum wage?
A bunch of retards hate working to get rich so they want to get rich from their shitty noskill jobs.
>Will it really fuck up America?
>Will it
It already is.
http://www.investors.com/politics/policy/wendys-serves-up-kiosks-as-wages-rise-hits-fast-food-group/
>>73943895
Doesn't matter.
Not a bad thread anyway.
While it's true that minimum wage hasn't kept up with inflation, a lot of other variables have changed as well.
My mother worked a part time job winding transistors for minimum after high school. Jobs like that are now offshored to China where the workers make in a day what she made an hour over 40 years ago.
Minimum wage jobs now are all monkey work. Anyone can do them. How much skill amd training does it really take to push on a pucture of a burger on a register, or to slide a UPC code over a scanner?
Hell, a flagman--the guy who stands next to road construction with a Stop/Slow sign--already makes $15-20 an hour or more. Monkey work, yes, but also hot/cold, dangerous, and dirty.
There's a reason a Starbuck's barrista with a "4 year degree" makes less than a retard holding a simple sign--she's worth less.
>>73939290
>>73943895
op here. hi!
>>73939290
It wouldn't be as bad if everything else in the country wasn't fucked financially. Also Fast food jobs are supposed to be for teenagers not taco niggers.
>>73939290
>FIGHT FOR SL15
>>73945632
Bottled water defines Millennials.
Can't wait for GenZ to start working and buying shit with their own money, we'll see canned air become a necessity.
>>73945632
Good. Fuck em.
>>73945632
What's sad about this is that there's calls to index the minimum wage to the inflation rate. It will be impossible to work by the year 2020.
>>73939290
Because of Obamanomics entry level positions formerly occupied by children learning how to work have become primary income sources for unskilled and uneducated people. The minimum wage is hard, impossible, to support a family of six welfare babies on. So they think they deserve 15 and hour. Well. Its cheaper for companies to eliminate those positions with available technology, so goodbye to those positions. Its actually doubly bad, as it puts these idots completely on welfare and eliminates the unimportant job market so the vast majority of children will have absolutely 0 chance at any work experience.
Back in the 90's before the Mexican Invasion if you lived in even a moderately successful area most of these jobs paid between 9 and 12 dollars an hour, almost double the minimum wage. The Mexican moved in and crashed the labor market, as they were willing to work for or below the minimum wage. Of course then the 90's bubbles burst and collapsed the worldwide economy so there was never another chance at increasing these wages naturally.
lessons that Democrats and socialists are incapable of learning: You can't tax or government spend your way to a better economy.
>>73944477
That one's actually mild compared to this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNbPuFfvnkA
>bring up consequences of or antecedents to the free college plan
>"We're not talking about that, we're talking about free college!!!!"
>>73939290
Fight for a real job
>>73946637
>Back in the 90's before the Mexican Invasion if you lived in even a moderately successful area most of these jobs paid between 9 and 12 dollars an hour, almost double the minimum wage.
Back in the 90's, I remember cashiers at grocery stores picketing for $18 an hour right after UPC scanners made their jobs so easy a nigger could do them.
Huge spoiler, the grocery stores fired all the entitled cunts from their $14.50 an hour jobs and hired niggers for $5.25 an hour to replace them.
Much butthurt was to be had.
>Will it really fuck up America?
Maybe not the whole country but it'll certainly fuck up small business, do you like massive multinational corporations having increasingly dominant market shares in every industry imaginable? If so support raising the minimum wage, it'll speed up the process.
>>73942974
Tbh it's right wing propaganda. They make her look like a monkey so that minimum wage arguments look like shit. They could have had an economist explain it, but then it would be intellectual.
>>73939983
Why are they measuring the number of computer science doctorates awarded in 1000s of degrees?
>>73947601
>Get economist to speak instead
>He shows exactly why it's retarded
I don't think you thought that through.
>>73939290
Get fucked uneducated millennials.
>Bern outs lose
>>73939290
We're long overdue for a 20 hour work week. At $15 per hour it would put us 10 dollars over the national full time 40 hour average of $360 a week (pre tax - and it would be ideal if taxes only existed as a consumption based tax, but anyway).
A 15 dollar minimum wage won't be without some compromises, some good some bad, but the market will adjust itself.
That being said, minimum wage increase without price caps on rent and such is pointless.
>>73939290
Working at minimum wage is wrong. These are jobs for fucking children and you have like 40 year old retards working the jobs for 30 years and then complaining they ain't being paid enough because they were too stupid and unambitious to advance past cleaning toilets
What the fuck.
>>73940502
At the same time though just because two things correlate doesn't mean they're definitely isn't a causal relationship, maybe it's not definitive evidence but it could certainly indicate something. And while there's no reason to think government spending on science could be linked to suicide rates it's pretty obvious why making it more expensive to hire people could lead to less people getting hired, a hypothesis that that graph does a very good job of providing evidence for.
>>73939829
Correlation doesn't mean causation. The world economy started to tank in 07. But it's okay, statistics is hard.
>>73947748
I have read articles that show there are exceptions (sure, Texas sharpshooter, but in some cases, 15 works). I disagree with federal mandate 15/hr but the reason why they picked Sharkeshia was bc she looks like a baboon on TV, thus republicans right again.
Although it's an improvement over the status quo, what we should really be fighting for is the abolition of the wage system and its replacement with worker ownership of the means of production.
>>73940069
>Nursing
>$15
For a CNA maybe
>>73947601
>>73947748
You think the Fight for Fifteen and Million Student March would have an economist with them or representing them.
>>73947907
But why would the line for minimum wage match the line for unemployment so closely? I get why you mean but it's kinda weird how closesly the two match up, also why in the hell where the government raising minimum wage in the middle of a recession? Seems like the worst time to do it seeing as companies are already struggling to stay afloat.
>>73941823
How come there are no conservatives who protest against Israel?
>>73947601
>They make her look like a monkey
Haven't met many niggers, have you anon?
>>73948017
>>73948017
It's the US government. They don't make rational choices because they're beholden to their corporate donors/masters.
>>73947917
I don't think FOX picked her?
see
>>73944477
She's one of the national leaders of the Million Student March
>>73948034
They're cucks
How come there are no anti-illegal immigrant Republicans protesting against churches that help and house illegals?
>>73939481
This. Minwage fags don't understand pic related.
>>73948087
>are you sure you want me on TV? I don't know what to say.
>don't worry, just be yourself
>>73947907
>>73939983
>minimum wage increases have been shown to cause an increase in unemployment
>do you have any statistics to prove that?
>sure. here they are.
>UUUUUUHHHH.. UMMMMMM... CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION!!!!!! THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING! I SAW THAT THE NUMBER OF SPIDERMAN MOVIE TICKETS DIRECTLY CORRELATES WITH THE NUMBER OF NEW STARS DISCOVERED! LOL IDIOT!!! DUMMY!!!
Remember, people only use this argument then give ridiculous examples of correlation vs causation scenarios when they lost the argument.
>>73948034
I'm conservative and am against foreign aid to Israel
>>73942544
Given so many employers insist on online applications and the fact that a smarphone (a very basic one obviously, not a fucking iphone) is far and away the cheapest way to get online you could argue that it's a necessary. Sure they could use the computers at the libraries but it's not quite the same as having your own way to access the internet is it?
>>73939290
>Whats wrong with a 15 dollar minimum wage?
$15 in CA is the de facto min. wage.
$15 in say ND, or South Carolina is reaching low middle class there.
>>73947863
The irony being that cleaning toliets in America is likely to pay you at least 50% higher than minimum wage.
That is how fucking lazy these shitcunt minimum wage entitled niggers are. They literally think they deserve more money than the people who clean toilets.
>>73939834
>Why $15?
Because $24k is the poverty level for a family of four in places like CA, NY, and Chicago.
>>73939290
That's basically 20 maple dollars. The minimum wage in my province is 10.25 maple dollars. If you double it you'd make more as a cashier than many other jobs that require more effort and skills. Like why California? Why?
Setting arbitrary minimum wages is stupid, and a waste of energy.
It'll help some people and hurt others. In general, its bad, as many of the people fighting for the $15 minimum wage will lose their shitty jobs.
>>73948588
>Given so many employers insist on online applications
Where? Not in the United States.
>and the fact that a smarphone (a very basic one obviously, not a fucking iphone) is far and away the cheapest way to get online you could argue that it's a necessary.
Being online is not a fucking need. If you really need the internet go to the God damn library you lazy piece of entitled shit.
>>73939290
nothing, libfags lose their jobs and the rest of us make bank.
>>73947939
>what we should really be fighting for is the abolition of the wage system and its replacement with worker ownership of the means of production
You niggers can't manage to save $30 a week without the government forcing you at gunpoint to pay enough taxes to warrant a refund, yet you think 'the workers' could buy a $5 million CNC machine or spring for the $2,000,000 for the land to build a McDonalds.
Sure, with enough backing, cunts like you could kill the people who already own those things and steal them.
But, what happens in 6 months when those machines need $15,000 worth of maintenance, and you and your glorious comrades have managed to save a total of $36.50 because pot be expensive, yo?
Are you gonna force the maintenance guys to fix your shit for free?
Remember, if you kill them they can't fix your shit again in 6 months, and if you don't pay them they'll never come back again.
That means fucktards like you who demand $15 an hour plus an award just to get the fuck out of bed are now in charge of fixing the machines you stole.
How long do you really think that will last?
>>73941411
>dey already losin dey jobs
>>73948214
could you remind me what the q and w means? I remember that chart but I don't remember those
All that ends up happening is that employers pass on the costs to customers.
In Australia we have a higher minimum wage but you look at prices at McDonalds and they are way more than the US.
In some ways it actually does work because our professional class don't really get more than they do in the US so I suppose the gap between rich and poor is smaller.
That being said they have rolled out kiosks in most McDonalds now to cut down on staff numbers. Often there will be one person on registers and most of the time they will be helping with other things as well.
Also it's very difficult to get anything unskilled full-time here. I've never heard of anyone full-time in fast food or retail except for people in retail that have been there for 20 years and are in the union.
>>73939540
Implying people who go to college nowadays understand economics
>>73948826
>everyone lives in Chicago, NY, and LA
>t. mexico
You poor dumb bastard.
Under bernie if you get $15 wage it will be taxed down by a lot, so effectively, it will be around 10 or 11.
>>73947939
Co ops are perfectly doable right now. Why are they not the dominant business model?
>>73949081
Quantity (of workers) and wage. It says right on the axes.
>>73948914
This. The America we remember was comfy because of lifetime employment in reasonably remunerative careers that did not require decades of training and re-interviewing every year, not because of government imposed price schedules. Making it easier for people to live does not mean giving all power to the holy god Inflation.
>>73948826
A couple who only is capable of making 24k a year between the two of them should not, in any way shape or form, be encouraged to have any children at all, much less two.
>>73949236
God I hate fucking communism. I hope that Jew gets cancer.
>>73948964
>Where? Not in the United States.
In Australia it sure is, it's much more convenient for the employers they can just have a bot scan the applications for the requirements and only send the ones that meet them onto an actual person. Everything's going online now and that includes basic shit like applying for a job.
>Being online is not a fucking need. If you really need the internet go to the God damn library you lazy piece of entitled shit.
Oh yeah having to travel god knows what distance to wait to use some shitty ass computer that a million other people have access to input personal information is a perfect substitute for just having my own internet access. For fucks sake a basic smartphone and a basic internet plan isn't even that expensive, I don't know why you guys sperg the fuck out about this idea so much I guess it's because you're stuck in the mindset the internet's solely for deatmatch and lolcats.
>>73941095
>IQ means absolutely nothing, you're just racist
>>73946659
I shouldn't have to answer that question, f am. We wuz kangs not government peeple.
Lets be real y'all, these were inevitable regardless.
>>73949427
>Oh yeah having to travel god knows what distance to wait to use some shitty ass computer that a million other people have access to input personal information is a perfect substitute for just having my own internet access
Heaven forbid people actually have to make an effort to advance in life.
Fuck off you entitled faggot. The internet in the palm of your hand is not a fucking human right.
>>73949014
>You niggers can't manage to save $30 a week without the government forcing you at gunpoint to pay enough taxes to warrant a refund, yet you think 'the workers' could buy a $5 million CNC machine or spring for the $2,000,000 for the land to build a McDonalds.
Yeah because when the socialists talk about this they mean every single worker on the entire fucking planet taking part all at once with no exceptions. Jesus christ read a fucking book,
>>73939290
http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Wendy-s-to-roll-out-self-service-kiosks-7467867.php
>>73949236
>Under bernie if you get $15 wage it will be taxed down by a lot, so effectively, it will be around 10 or 11.
That's only Federal taxes, milkbag.
Also subtract State, County, and City taxes.
Don't forget sales tax. And, mandatory health insurance.
Congrats!! You get to keep $6 an hour!
>>73949613
>Heaven forbid people actually have to make an effort to advance in life.
Heaven forbid have to post their personal information in public place on a machine that an unknown number of other people have free access to in order to get a job. The two aren't comparable.
>>73940909
You don't have to pay a machine a wage, or increase working conditions or give it benefits or have it disrespect customers you deciduous douche. Automated order machines will force all these teens into the manual labor were letting the immigrants take.
>>73949245
>Co ops are perfectly doable right now. Why are they not the dominant business model?
Because most people are too stupid, lazy, and entitled to make them work.
You really think Shaniqua gonna cough up her $400 share of maintenance costs when LeRoy done sold her TWO 8 balls last week and she's jonsin for a third right now?
>>73949703
>Heaven forbid have to post their personal information in public place on a machine that an unknown number of other people have free access to in order to get a job.
Then don't get a job. Starve for all I care.
Just don't come to me with hat in hand with the excuse that going to a library is too much to ask when it comes to looking for a job because I'll piss in it.
>>73945632
>>73940909
This might sound completely dumb. I admit I have no idea how most state laws or federal regulations would work. But what would happen if say they made it mandatory you had to have a bare minimum of human staff along with kiosks? As stupid as that sounds. Would it be one of those "How would you enforce it?" kind of situations? Or is my question too dumb to even need an answer? What if they tried to force Wendy's to have a bare minimum of actual human workers?
I'm actually curious if that shit tried to get pulled. Trying to force a business to have a bare minimum number of human employees if you had kiosks to shut up all the people complaining about how "there is no work or jobs!"
>>73949630
See
>>73949245
It can happen right now with no legal impediments. Where are all the worker-owned factories? You people have what you asked for, and it turns out nobody actually gives a shit.
>>73949778
That's probably what's going to happen in the end and the competition for that tiny slice of token human positions will be absolutely fierce, expect lots of nepotism and cronyism that makes the average mcdonalds into a pseudo-aristocracy.
>>73949918
>Then don't get a job.
I hope you never bitch about people getting welfare then
>Just don't come to me with hat in hand with the excuse that going to a library is too much
Have you not read anthing I've said? Having to share a computer wtih an unknown number of strangers is not comparable to having your own computer, at all. You can't ensure it's well-maintained and anything you post on it could theoretically be accessed by anyone else that uses it, including the sorts of personal information you post on it in order to get a job.
>>73939290
Yes, because nobody SHOULD get a """""Livable""""" wage for a bottom line job.
That's for high school graduates to start making their savings and earn skills.
Too much of those positions are already occupied by middle aged failures and raising the minimum wage would only give them an incentive to never fucking leave.
>>73949427
>For fucks sake a basic smartphone and a basic internet plan isn't even that expensive
So, surely you wouldn't mind paying for 5 other people to have that service, would you?
It's cheap after all.
Why should those 5 people have to pay, when you are already capable of paying?
You aren't racist, are you?
>>73950064
>I hope you never bitch about people getting welfare then
I do, precisely because they deserve to starve. They are entitled to exactly what they earn, which is nothing.
>Having to share a computer wtih an unknown number of strangers is not comparable to having your own computer, at all.
It isn't, and you are not entitled to your own computer or anyone elses. If you want to use a computer get a job and buy one or go to one of the inferior public ones at the library.
>>73939290
>all those hipster shops can't balance their sheets because of the 30% to 60% increase in payroll.
the anti hipster effect is glorious
>>73949985
I'm not saying it's easy just that that persons post was really, really, really fucking stupid on a couple different levels. You're response was what they should've given, just because you're basically right doesn't mean you can't give a really stupid argument that is itself completely wrong.
>>73950183
The argument was over whether or not it's a necessity, that's all. Would you argue that having a phone in this day and age isn't a necessity? You'd have a pretty hard job getting regular employment without one.
>>73939481
Basically
>Fifteen dollars an hour
>Eight hours a day
>120 DOLLARS A DAY
Holy shit, man, that's a lot of damn money, not even people with degrees get paid that amount of money here.
I mean, that would be the minimum. If I remember well the current minimum should be around 7.50 or 8.00 dollars, right?
That might not be much and I understand your country is more expensive to live in than ours, however, it's the minimum wage; people can easily work their way out of it by not being a bunch of lazy fucks, or perhaps, have two people work for a minimum wage in your household and that's it.
Send my kind back, please, send them back and let them suffer with our minimum wage, the amazing amount of four dollars a DAY.
>>73949593
I've been waiting for the death of registers for near 20 year now. It has taken far too long for them to spread from their introduction at movie theaters at the end of the 90s.
It's just so much faster and easier.
>>73950238
Not talking about entitled talking about necessity, having your own internet connection in this day and age (at least where I live) is a necessity. You don't want to pay for other peoples necessity's because you're a turbo-right winger, okay, that's your choice, but it's still a necessity.
As a minimum wage worker, we are definitely not worth $15/hr. If you think your McDonalds job is hard pressing a button all day then you are retarded and shouldn't be getting any money in the first place.
>>73950339
Internet is not a fucking necessity anywhere in this country, and while I sincerely doubt it is Australia, I wouldn't presume to project my personal agenda on the taxpayers of a country fifteen thousand miles away.
I'll ask you kindly to do the same.
>>73949630
>Yeah because when the socialists talk about this they mean every single worker on the entire fucking planet taking part all at once with no exceptions.
Of course they don't.
Socialists mean "from each according to their ability, to each according to her need".
That means if I save $10 a week and you save $300 a week, we each have $155 extra next week.
I mean, if you and I each make $15 an hour and you can save $300 a week, you don't really NEED that $300.
I obviously need half your savings more than you do.
>>73950339
This """""Necessity""""" is free in almost every fast food restaurant in their area.
Just because you can't do certain operations in your own home doesn't mean everyone has to chip in to pay for your slack.
>>73949970
We could just set up federally mandated labor camps, gulags if you will, so we can reach full employment.
>>73950245
>You're response was what they should've given, just because you're basically right doesn't mean you can't give a really stupid argument that is itself completely wrong.
What? So are you for or against worker-owned businesses?
My point was that there is no "system" keeping this kind of thing down. Anyone can start a co op right now, and yet all commies do is whine and bitch about how capitalism is keeping the proletariat down, instead of starting those collective factories and farms that they're arguing for.
>>73950278
Better get here before they build that wall if you wanna see that kinda money.
>>73940414
>implying you're going to be getting the same hours
No because the wealth will trickle down to us
Just listen to our leaders they know what's best for us
>>73939290
Why make it illegal for the unskilled to work? What do you have against them?
I only make like $12 / hour. Shit I only bring in $930 ~ $1000 a month and I live quite comfortably in a 1 bedroom apartment with utilities paid. I manage my money very carefully, learned to manage. And I -still- live comfortably and can eat healthy. These people whining they can't live off of that are doing something horribly wrong with there budget.
>>73950564
What do you not get about the idea that not all socialsits want to force people to do this, can you not get that they're not all marxist-leninist lunatics who thinks society can only be improved through the application of massive amounts of coercion? Maybe they're all wrong but they're not all evil, some of them actually respect people's right to choose to do what they want. How can you not understand this?
>>73950632
I think they're a nice idea but as you point out probably not workable seeing as they haven't really caught on despite they're being no real impediments. It's just that guys whole argument was based on the idea that all socialists are marxist-leninists with very little variation which is just wrong, there are many different forms of socialism.
>yet all commies do is whine and bitch about how capitalism is keeping the proletariat down, instead of starting those collective factories and farms that they're arguing for.
It's so much easier to bitch and moan then start a successful small business, hell it's easier to do almost anything else then start a successful small business.
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>>73950645
No need, my good man, I earn money by coding software and sometimes scripting video games, but also, I'll eventually immigrate to either CA or your country.
Not really a fan of those gay proud events though you guys have in the US.
>>73950855
>What do you not get about the idea that not all socialsits want to force people to do this,
Just use the full power of the state to coerce and compel them?
No means no Karl.
>>73948317
>graph only for a period of nine years
>unemployment spikes during the worst economic collapse in decades
![chloe_grace_moretz_black_girl-chloe-grace-moretz-poses-in-a-revealing-bikini-and-cornrows-jpeg-289013[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8ING0aC.jpg "chloe_grace_moretz_black_girl-chloe-grace-moretz-poses-in-a-revealing-bikini-and-cornrows-jpeg-289013[2].jpg")
If you've full time workers that rely on welfare programs to pay bills because of low wages then american taxpayers are basically giving subsidies to the low wage industries regardless if you shop for their products or not.
tl;dr: KUCKS
>>73950994
>Just use the full power of the state to coerce and compel them?
What if I told you that there were socailists who didn't want to involve the state in what they want to do at all? What if I told you that the term socialism actually predated Karl Marx? Would that just blow your mind?
Read a fucking book.
>>73950700
"Trickle down" is a nonsensical term created by people who think spending money you don't have is the path to prosperity. Which, interestingly enough, is the same mentality shared by most minimum wage drones.
>>73950855
Ah I see, that's more reasonable. I don't think co-ops are effective on a large scale, but there is nothing inherently wrong with them and I don't give a fuck if people do them without coersion.
>>73950994
Also what in the hell form of coercion do you think I was referring to in that post? Fuck you're retarded.
>>73949970
>I admit I have no idea how most state laws or federal regulations would work. But what would happen if say they made it mandatory you had to have a bare minimum of human staff along with kiosks?
You and I both work for Burger Barn. I decide to sleep all next week, while you decide to wake up, shower, and go to work even though you'd rather sleep like I'm doing.
You work 40 hours, but the owner of Burger Barn needed to report 80 hours to the Benevolent Supreme Government.
The Government then shoots him in the face for breaking the law.
Burger Barn is now closed. You now have no job next week, but you still have to give me half your paycheck because we're equals.
Make with the gibs, faggot.
I'm hungry.
>>73949970
Companies would do their best to find ways around it, and if there is none and they can't make a profit, they'll just shut down or lobby to repeal those laws.
Bottom line, if a business isn't profitable it won't stay open.
>>73951109
>What if I told you that there were socailists who didn't want to involve the state in what they want to do at all?
I would tell you that you're delusional with no workable plan to make the fantasy land that exists in your head a reality.
If you're ever able to prove me wrong I'll be the first one to sign up for your utopia, but forgive me if I don't donate to the kickstarter just yet.
i think the minimum wage should be $3.00/hour
our standards should be up to india's or china's
you just have to know how to budget your money
>>73939290
Maybe OP and half the other posters are simply too young to remember when people were bitch in about 5.25 and wanted it raised? We raised it 2.25 bucks. Basically. We should do the same thing here because honestly the liberals will just want another increase in another 6-7 years.
>>73941650
Now just what the fuck am I supposed to do with this post?
>>73951274
>I would tell you that you're delusional with no workable plan to make the fantasy land that exists in your head a reality.
And I'd agree with you, I'm not arguing for socialism just that this post >>73949014 is completely and utterly fucking retarded, you're trying to offer an opinion on a subject that you quite obviously know nothing about. Have a look at what this fellow >>73951115 has been posting if you want an idea of an actual, credible refutation of libertarian-socialist ideology based on what those people actually believe rather than half-remembered cold war propaganda horribly misapplied. My problem isn't that you're against socialism, it's that you're a fucking moron who can't admit when they're wrong.
>>73939481
Hi korwin
>>73951208
So simply put... Worse comes to worse they would leave the USA and take there jobs with them? I know that's an extreme case but it's a reality now, isn't it?
>>73939290
No. Just speed up what was already happening.
Automation of nonskilled labor was happening it was just an issue of cost. With the inctease to wages it will push automation below that and what would have happened 50 years from now. Happens now.
Not inherently bad. But sorta like a pulling a bandaid. Its gonna hurt but just do it quick.
Might as well do it now.
>>73951577
No, as the minimum wage won't be raised to $15. The few states that passed it have high costs of living already, namely California and New York. Its still retarded to do, but it means less in those shitty states.
It'll be repealed if it ever gets implemented federally because companies will tell people that they can't do that and make a profit, i.e reverse the law or we have to fire you all.
You shouldn't worry about it, it isn't an issue for most people to deal with. If the time comes you can lobby with the corporations to repeal any laws that get passed.
There's technology available to reduce manual labor. It doesn't matter if it's in fast food, a lot of jobs have been replaced especially in farms to save money.
Think of it this way, we lose 2 minimum wage workers and create 1 large wage to operate the machinery.
What do you make this out to be? Is this good or bad?
>>73951494
Wrong about what? My position was that it's a shit idea and always has been.
The fact that you even defend it as a credible, non statist, school of thought is baffling when it's fundamentally an economic school of thought that isn't possible without coercion of the state. And which jsn't possible as a societal model in anything larger in scale than a medium sized village walled off from the world at large.
Socialism is not actually a thing, it is just a collective mass hysteria a people may delude themselves into thinking they're following, all the while haphazardly ammending it due to need as reality drives their dreams, prospects, and freedom directly into the ground.
>>73951296
The "minimum wage" is already established based on supply and demand and a living wage. People won't take a job if they can't survive working it. It's why the whole minimum wage is just a meme proliferated by the cancer known as keynesianism. The minimum wage is just a coercive enforcement of unemployment by people who can get a job below it.
>>73939290
Because it's undeserved. Any job paying under $15 is less for a reason. If anything, raising the minimum wage that steeply will trigger automation much more quickly. McDonald's would absolutely cut their staff, because almost everything that workers do there can be replaced with machines. Cuckold """economist""" dwarf Robert Reich would say otherwise, though.
>>73949824
some customers need to be disrespected.
there are a lot of really big fucking shitheads.
>>73951800
I'm just more worried about managing what money I have properly. I think that's the main issue. I might be getting a promotion soon since I busted my ass for 5 years. So I might legit get paid $15 instead of $12. $3 extra an hour adds up and I just got to not mismanage it. Like I said above >>73950742 I think the biggest issue is people just don't know how to manage the money they obtain or they don't seek higher forms of payment / employment. They just don't want to look / laziness whatever. I'm not saying the situation is entirely true but after I started managing money very carefully, I had zero problems for years so it works for me.
>>73952028
>some customers need to be disrespected.
You're entitled to your opinion, I respect your right to have it.
I hope you will respect my right to give your job to C3PO.
>>73952053
You are the very person this change would hurt most. Either cost of goods increases and you have less purchasing power or your wages increase marginally and cost of goods goes up commensurately causing you to still experience slightly more or less purchasing power (or having it stay the same).
You'll be fine if you keep doing what you're doing.
>>73951993
shut the fuck up
wages haven't risen with inflation since the 1970s
asslicker
>>73951993
>People won't take a job if they can't survive working it.
People will if there's government paying the difference with welfare programs which is basically the middle class paying subsidies for corporation labour (there's anything more keked?)
In germany it was called Hartz reforms/ Ein-Euro-Job.
>>73952250
>what are wages+benefits
I can imagine you won't say anything I haven't heard before
>>73952424
>People will if there's government paying the difference with welfare programs
So people take a job that they can survive working... ok...
>>73939290
>Whats wrong with a 15 dollar minimum wage?
Not all jobs are worth that.
It's all well and good to believe that a working adult should be able to provide for their family, but the solution there is to get them a better job than flipping burgers at McDonalds, not to force McDonalds to pay their burger-flippers $15/hr.
McDonalds will just find ways to hire less burger-flippers if they have to pay them that much, whether via automation or simply telling their employees to do twice as much work because they're now getting paid twice as much.
>>73952250
And what he said is correct:
>the minimum wage rises with supply and demand
Inflation is irrelevant when it comes to the demand for the labor of flipping a burger.
What he, and you (though you don't seem to realize it) are actually saying is that a burget flipper is far less valuable to society than he was 50 years ago.
And that's absolutely true. The only real debate is over whether a person finds that to be a good thing or a bad thing.
>>73952236
How did it even get to this point? I busted my ass at the zoo I work at for years to get to where I am. And now since upper management has noticed it, It's going to get easier and better for me despite me working maintenance. Forcing $15 an hour I can guarantee will raise admission prices and all goods at the zoo I work at by a metric fuckton due to all the normal employee's that don't handle the animals.
>>73939834
>1 nigger yells $15
>because gibsmedat
>2 liberals college student heard
>tweet
>100 more liberals see
>10000 sjw who never ever worked in their life see
>entire campaign based on $15
Yep. Before social media such a stupid ass shit would go ignored whitin week.
>>73939290
>Pay too low
>rent too high
>house too expensive
Do liberals not know about roomates? Shit you can get a decent 3-4br home for ~$1,000/mo financed. Split that up with roomies you're at $250-$300/mo rent. You can easily swing that on minimum wage and have enough left over for food, health insurance, smartphone, and other misc bullshit.
>>73942974
Sorry m8 I'm as hurt as yourself
but in reality people might push even further to say she's INTELLIGENT because muh race issue muh appreciation muh Facebook good feelings
idk if this has already been said but a basic principle of economics is that any price floor or ceiling placed on a market shrinks it. so, theoretically speaking, any minimum wage shrinks the job market as a whole and the larger the minimum, the more damage it does. in real world terms, this happens because it incentivises firms to automate or outsource and continue to maximize profit which would be cut by the increase in wages.
>>73952707
Attempt to get on local news speaking about this. Its an important point most people ignore.
>>73939290
Why stop at 15? Lets make it 10000 an hour and we can all be the top 1%
>>73952638
>Not all jobs are worth that.
Well no shit, that's the whole point of the minimum wage, to get the state to pay you more than someone values your work as. It's blatant theft.
>>73952923
Since I work for a large zoo, admission is a bit high as it is due to the cost of running it. I don't think the average person would want to pay $20 for admission. I can write to the newspaper about it instead of news. That should get attention. $15 an hour will effect more than just the cost of the mcburger holy fuck.
>>73952516
>>73952638
>>73952652
>>73952707
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOqtl53V3JI
>>73953217
why quote me on this? its not like he even came close to addressing or refuting my point (not that he could, its irrefutable)
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>>73953217
er, reply not quote. forgot what fucking site i was on for a second
I earn $6.50 US p/h
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I'm not saying we should kill the 1%
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>>73953451
Exactly, can't even see what the masses think on it to even engage. My opinion won't change that I feel that $15 would destroy a lot of personal hobbies (theater tickets, ect. ect.).
>>73939290
>I don't understand supply and demand: The movement
If they really wanted wages to increase they'd be more concerned about stopping unskilled labor from pouring into the US and working for any amount offered.
>>73953217
The only thing this convinced me of is that we need to cut welfare, medicaid, and food stamps, so people are forced to obtain real work and skills.
Every other argument is not an argument, it's just an appeal to pay people a wage the market clearly dictates they do not deserve.
If your job can be done better by a touchscreen you don't deserve anything.
>>73953217
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>Wage increase will come out of profits, not prices
Where the fuck does this genius think the business's money comes from?
>>73953217
Haha, biggest joke. Scratching smiley faces on paper without any intuition or reasoning behind it.
>b-because w-we deserve more
Obviously not if people don't want to pay you more
>The value of employees grows linearly over time
Minimum wage jobs are entry-level jobs that are actually losing value to our society. That's an economic price signal to start working a job which has more value. Simple stuff.
>MUH POVERTY
What does this even mean now? Single bedroom apartment? Only a 50 inch TV rather than the latest models?
>Increasing the cost of labor increases the number of jobs
What is this counter intuition? We don't apply this to any other scenario. If a good in a store costs more, we aren't going to buy a larger supply of it! Quite the opposite! This completely ignores the basic law of supply and demand.
>EVIL PROFITS
Profit margins are very tight on most businesses because of some concept called competition and regardless, you would have to argue that profits are inherently immoral in the first place.
>It's just what's right!
>it's also smart!
Is this the video that you honestly gobbled up, you must be hilariously uneducated.
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The NYT article that I'm sure you are referring to was refuted as bullshit, even by some of the Amazon employees quoted in it.
It was a shit article used by a left-wing publication to promote the idea that successful business entrepreneurs are the "guilty 1%" that are stealing food from the mouths of the "working poor."
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Yeah, but JITB is god-tier
The inflation argument is so fucking stupid.
>if it kept up with inflation since 1950 burger flippers would make $37 an hr
And if candlestick maker wages had kept up with inflation since 1690 they'd all be making six figure.
Newsflash: burger flipper is not an in demand profession. Your job can now be done by a disabled Mexican and a disabled robot for less than half the price. Find real work.
