If you have never read Marx´s books I will just sum them up for you:
>"I dont wanna work and people have to give me money cuz I am a lazy fuck who wants everything handled to me, but I dont want people to know that, so I´ll just blame capitalism and call it oppressive."
So basically he was the first SJW ever.
>>73922119
You've never read them, have you?
>>73922672
yes, I have. The difference is that I understood it and you didn´t.
>>73922119
I read the manifesto too and came to the same conclusion. The ideology of useful idiots and mindless parasites who only know how to destroy and not create.
Never let your country fall to communists like my parents country did. It will set you back culturally and mentally.
>>73922119
You forgot the part where it says if you don't gib dem moneys the state should kill you.
>>73923411
-cue a retarded communist yelling about how it was never tried and how every bad communist country is actually a fascist country-
>>73923345
not sure you actually did read the manifesto, he says it was a conservative movement, and some of his biggest complaints are about how capitalism destroys the family and leads to degeneracy
>>73922119
Can you cite quotes where he says anything remotely like that?
>>73923821
> conservative movement
You definitely didn't read the manifesto
>>73923345
Stoned
>>73923900
"The lower middle class, the small manufacturer, the shopkeeper, the artisan, the peasant, all these fight against the bourgeoisie, to save from extinction their existence as fractions of the middle class. They are therefore not revolutionary, but conservative. e. Nay more, they are reactionary, for they try to roll back the wheel of history. If by chance, they are revolutionary, they are only so in view of their impending transfer into the proletariat; they thus defend not their present, but their future interests, they desert their own standpoint to place themselves at that of the proletariat."
Chapter 1 of the communist manifesto faggot.
I just graduated from an liberal college
You're almost right
The one thing is, Marx genuinely believed he was helping people with his theories
The problem is literally his Jewishness, i.e. his proclivity to revolt against authority and reject the Logos
This phenomenon is so consistent among Marxists that one is led to simply take E. Michael Jones' thesis at face value and run with it
>>73923786
lmfao they're swedes
>not even mentioning Engels
You sound like my yugonostalgic retard of a cousin OP fuck off
>>73924226
how the fuck are you supposed to do things like stop immigration when the profit motive is favorable to immigration?
how do you stop divorce when the industry is worth tens of billions of dollars?
it doesn't make sense not to stop immigration because thats an ever increasing customer base and cheap labor. doesn't make sense to stop divorce because it's more beneficial to consumerism.
There's a chapter about Marx's life in this book (he was even lazier than I first thought):
https://mises.org/library/requiem-marx-0
Everything is sourced, most of it is taken from Marxists. I read an Amazon review which had a mild complaint about the lack of neutral tone in the chapter about Marx's life, but I found the occasional quip quite funny.
If you intend to read the entire book I'd first start with the introduction, then chapter 3 (the biography), then finish the rest of the book in its intended order. Chapter 4 was the most enjoyable chapter for me, followed by the final chapter, written by Murray Rothbard, which discusses various quasi-communist Christian regimes from centuries ago.
He was a disgusting kraut, first and foremost.
Here I'll sum them up for you:
The words don't mean anything. It's a plan to create mountains of corpses and concentrate power in Jewish hands.
Daily reminder that Marx was an upper middle class intellectual and Engels was a factory owner.
Every time they or their disciples spoke of how the upper classes were trying to sedate and divide the lower classes with political ideology, it refers to them first.
>>73922903
>>73923345
>>73922119
>>73923411
>>73923786
>>73924626
>>73924673
Ebin trollposting XDDDD
>>73924374
>how the fuck are you supposed to do things like stop immigration when the profit motive is favorable to immigration?
You limit it with government regulations, like the US did multiple times prior to immigration-related legislation from 1965. It's nearly impossible to "stop" these things.
>how do you stop divorce when the industry is worth tens of billions of dollars?
I have no idea. Hope for another Great Awakening?
>it doesn't make sense not to stop immigration because thats an ever increasing customer base and cheap labor.
Sure, but if you want to keep your gene pool, spiritual life, or culture distinct from those of other countries, it makes sense to limit it a bit and not simply disestablish borders as an institution.
>doesn't make sense to stop divorce because it's more beneficial to consumerism.
Consumerism cannot possibly be the ultimate justification of a good policy. That's how we got into the mess that made people think Communism works.
I don't understand the point of your post, desu, did you reply to the wrong person?
>>73923891
Shhh
Don't disrupt the circlejerk.
>>73922119
I guess this is why you are a third world country, can't even comprehend basic economy.
>>73924729
>>73924880
Americans sympathetic to communism are the most disgusting creatures on the planet
>>73925139
Why aren't there T-shirts with that pic on them? It's not even edgier than the ones with his face on them.
>>73924673
Reminder that just like Jewish intellectuals producing poison today, they were well-insulated from the results of their policies.
Fact: Marx never worked a day in his life.
That should tell you more than enough about his theories on labor and capital.
>>73924156
Where are you from in Australia? Are you here on vacation, or will you be working while resident in the United States?
>>73923821
>describing an revolutionary ideology with the singular focus of dismantling the "old order" as conservative
>>73924799
are you literally retarded? you think with the degeneracy running around you are simply going to have a great awakening?
are you fucking high nigger?
no they will do what is profitable because that's the game in capitalism. wake up all capitalism is always about consumerism.
the point le nigger is that no matter how hard stormfags want society to magically become traditional, it's not happening because capitalism is the root problem rotting the foundation of the family and hence society.
muh traditions muh families
they need time and money for that to teach children and to raise them to be adults. capitalism doesn't facilitate a high birth rate, right now the market says they are extremely expensiv. so no matter what you do they won't have more, because it's not advantageous. you want people to go against what's advantageous to themselves?
>>73925439
attack the argument and not the man.
Maybe a handfull of people on /pol/ actually read any of Marx works. Only like 10% or something actually know that communism is a stateless society, ergo communism wasn't tried is a valid affirmation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
/pol/ is a case study of this effect.
To be fair Marx actually did have a really shit life and it was partly because of the government that was in power.
The problem is people take his work out of its original context in the sense that no one today outside of third world shotholes has any reason to think they are oppressed.
>>73926290
>MUH REAL COMMUNISM HASNT BEEN TRIED
how about I just cut your head off instead?
>read communist manifesto
>"gibs me dat" and "kill bourgeois scum" repeated for 100 pages
engels and marx were probably the two worst people in human history
>>73926429
>communist manifesto
>100 pages
Dude by all means Criticism Marx, I'm a libertarian myself. But please stop embarrassing yourself. Manifesto is literally a pamphlet length document. Though I admit you are better than the faggot who claimed to read das kapital in 3 days and "refuted everything"
>>73926407
It's a objective truth. Comunism hasn't been tried. Catalonia during the spanish revolution is a probably the nearest we got, but still far away.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
For you
>He thinks Soviet Union was communist
laughinggirls.jpg
>>73925664
>are you literally retarded? you think with the degeneracy running around you are simply going to have a great awakening?
Not really, I was just answering your question. It would take something like that to lower divorce rates, i.e. some incentive that transcends economic self-interest.
>wake up all capitalism is always about consumerism.
Describing one -ism as being "about" another doesn't make much sense to me. Both are components of the other.
>the point le nigger
>>>/9gag/
>is that no matter how hard stormfags want society to magically become traditional, it's not happening because capitalism is the root problem rotting the foundation of the family and hence society.
1. I'm not a stormfag
2. Capitalism and organized religion go hand in hand, the Great Awakening is by definition an event from a capitalist country's history. This isn't an argument against the possibility of a spiritual movement occurring in America, it's an argument about how well spiritual concerns are genuine concerns. It isn't a very good one, either, since you don't even realize what you're doing.
I'm not interested in curing every ill that ails the modern world, that's not possible. I'm interested in addressing the problems that concern me and that I can affect. More than that, I'm interested in living a life that is at least not bad and at most good, and I don't think spending all my time trying to institute a utopian economic order would make me or anyone else very happy. You seem to have a savior complex.
nice meme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SUWK_pWrbw
Communism is shit
Nationalist socialism is great.
>>73926733
Kant a shit, desu
>>73926765
You guys would probably elect a shitty Maple Hitler, anyway.
>>73922119
Karl Marx was always a lazy faggot.
The only people who think he was smart are libfucks who hate any established government. Same with retards who worship that Che Guevara moron.
Fuck all of them.
>>73926723
>Capitalism and organized religion go hand in hand
No they don't. What goes hand in hand is liberal capitalism and ''religion'' as practiced in America. Your religion is a joke. 20,000 people gather in a stadium to sing songs. Wow.
>spiritual concerns are genuine concerns
No such thing in America, outside of some cults. In any case, religion plays little role in politics. It's mostly about irrelevant issues, like faggots. And still, faggots prevailed.
>trying to institute a utopian economic order
You're right about that.
>>73926765
>Communism is shit, because everytime it was tried it turned into shit
>But Nationalist socialism is great because everytime it was tried it ened up in ... Oh check out this cool SS uniforms!
>>73927061
This. Communists at least managed to build somewhat functional states that lasted for few decades.
Hitler's state lasted for 6 years if we don't count WW2.
Low-rent shit really, similar to the watered-down Foucault that passes for academic scholarship in the modern humanities departments.
>>73926261
>attack the argument and not the man.
>post picture of a straw-man
>>73927061
Not kidding about the SS uniform. They were God tier
>>73922119
Well of course, dude. Most people know this.
>>73927185
So i take it you are WW2 master Montenegrin bro? How is law school?
Any good books on Eastern front/Japanese?
>>73927061
He could mean that one is anarchism which allows any sort of degeneracy to run rampant and the other is an authoritarian state which somehow makes everyone moral, righteous folks.
>>73926429
At least top 10, yes.
>>73927061
>>But Nationalist socialism is great because everytime it was tried it ened up in ... Oh check out this cool SS uniforms!
>what is Spain, Italy, Chile, several other Latin American countries, Imperial Japan, Nasser, Portugal, etc.
kill yourself
>>73927404
forgot pic
You guys should look up some of Marx's angsty teenage pottery.
>>73927042
>No they don't. What goes hand in hand is liberal capitalism and ''religion'' as practiced in America. Your religion is a joke. 20,000 people gather in a stadium to sing songs. Wow.
How is that not organized religion? I didn't say "true religion," did I?
>No such thing in America, outside of some cults
I'm starting to think you're one of those Europeans who doesn't know anything about America and thinks of it as Shitty Europe.
>In any case, religion plays little role in politics. It's mostly about irrelevant issues, like faggots. And still, faggots prevailed.
Which is why I'm hoping that these faggots come to Jesus and the country can turn around. It probably won't happen, but it's the only way to lower divorce rates. Even then, this isn't a Catholic country.
>>73926624
Yeah sure. Go make a tweet about that on your tablet while you're in Starbucks, idiot.
>>73924729
I hope you get gassed. You should leave America if you hate freedom.
>>73927453
>Portugal
>National Socialist
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>73927539
I support this. In fact send then here so we can kill this kind of stupid people.
>>73927061
Hitler was invaded by 3 military super powers at the same time, before the war however, Germany was doing p good.
>>73926614
>Manifesto is literally a pamphlet length document.
i have a nice, wide print with an opener exclaiming how amazing marx was and how we should be proud to regurgitate such treasured historical ideals
>>73922119
you should explain how you got to that conclusion.
i don't think you've read marx.
>>73926765
>adding racism to socialism totally makes it work!
>>73927453
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>73924156
Why are commies so delusional?
>>73926624
That just shows how communism is not viable, if they can't never get past the transitory state before the entire society collapse.
>>73927646
meanwhile i had to hack apart my hardcover print of mein kampf because that fat fuck from the ADL was given a chance to rant about how evil hitler was in the introduction
it's amazing to me how modern literature is still so politically biased
>>73922672
I have. I don't think OP's summary is very good, his book is more like
>Teh EBIL Factory Owner CEOs obbress the poor innocent worker, but teh worker will ALWAYS rise up to defeat the EBIL CEO, and take their RIGHTFULLY DESERVED money which they RIGHTFULLY DESERVE because they are so OBBRESSED and DISENFRANCHISED because teh EBIL CEO went and STOLE their money.
>Teh only way to stop the EBIL CEO from OBBRESSING the poor worker is to institute GOMMUNISM where the workers own the factories and everybody shares everything and holds hands and sings and it's all one big happy hippie paradise.
Marx's book is trash. I wouldn't recommend it unless you want a laugh.
>>73927515
wow, imma #cruzmissile now
>>73922119
He's a kike, what do you expect?
>>73922672
You realize that the point of marxism and other flavors of cuckoldry is to trick people into submitting to the power of the state right?
>>73927693
Yah it still doesn't work. It still works better than socialism with different races. White nationalist free markets would be the ultimate system.
>>73927453
what is war for 500
>>73927747
because his main arguments through most of his literature were conservative, about restoring the family to more than a monetary arrangement and against consumerism.
>>73927842
Too bad your man dropped out already
Evangelicalism is what's wrong with this country
Can't wait to see the constituency dissolve and its congressional representation disappear
>>73927796
Dude get this one.
http://www.amazon.com/Mein-Kampf-Stalag-Hitler-2014-01-27/dp/B019NRVSRY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1463183172&sr=8-2&keywords=mein+kampf+stalag
No introduction or footnotes or edits or anything, just Hitler being based.
>>73927529
Don't have a twitter account and there isn't even a starbucks in my city. I don't like coffe btw.And i don't have a tablet.
>>73927636
>Hitler dindu nuffin
If he hasn't embroiled his country in perpetual violence, made agressive expansions into peacefull neighboors, then maybe he wouldn't be invaded. And i think Hitler declared war on 2 of those "superpowers", except for Britain wich declared war to support a public alliance she had with Poland
>>73927606
>>73927696
your Arab blood is showing, you get absolutely blown out and can't do anything but spam.
>>73927061
It ended up with Germany becoming a world superpower and fighting the entire world and almost winning.
>>73927988
does it have the grammatical/editing errors of the first edition?
>>73927842
#cruzmissle will never not be funny
>>73927785
Read Marx works. I haven't, but i am sure he adressed tose points. he didn't intended the revolution to happen in 3rd world shitholes, but in highly advanced countries.
>>73927964
>Says he wants to abolish the family
Are you fucking retarded?
>>73922119
The power of manifest destiny is unique in comparison to all other forms of human organization in that you have the ability to stand on your own as a single entity and succeed. All other forms of organization end in a few having power over all of the many. America is the only country ever that has tried this. Liberalism has now destroyed that
>>73928086
Yes, but it's still perfectly readable. The errors extend to commas in weird places, and run-on sentences that ramble because Hitler wrote it while pacing back and forth in his cell.
Is it an issue for you, or...?
>>73927693
>falling for the national socialism is racist meme
Read a book instead of listening to libtards. Actual National socialism is not racist. Neo-nazis that praise it for its supposed racism just take the jewish lie as truth, there for hypocritical.
>>73927997
I dont even find worthy to reply seriously to that guy. He claimed my country was National socialistic, even though Salazar was disgusted by Hitler.
>>73928080
>with Germany becoming a world superpower
lol, are you a retard? There were only 3 superpowers in the world history. Great Britain in victorian ages, USa and SU.
>>73927990
He had to fight Stalin either way, communist have tried to take Europe over before, communism is globalist and Stalin arming up anyway. And he sorta had to take france a some countries to stop Britain from deploying on the ground, which worked for a while
>>73922119
you missed out the "I'm a jew and all goyim are slaves" bit
>Hey, let's set up a society of workers, soldiers, peasants and intellectuals
Bill, you can be the worker and manufacture all our goods
Jim, you can be the soldier and get your leg blown off fighting all our wars
Ted, you can be the peasant and supply all our food
and what will you do?
>Oh, I will be the intellectual and sit all day on my arse telling you all what to do
Some animals are more equal than others
google Why Johnny Can't Think pdf or check 4+4chan /pdfs/
>>73928080
This.
Communism is so weak that it depends on receiving food, money and material from capitalists.
Natsoc is so strong it takes the rest of the world to kill it.
>>73928080
They became a super power because they invaded half of Europe.
>>73928317
>falling for the national socialism is racist meme
Are you seriously going to argue that national socialism(at least German Nazi party) wasn't violently racist?
>>73922672
oy vey goyim, if we all vote to take their property, it isn't theft, because we all wanted to, right?
don't you get it? they don't own their stuff, WE DO!!
cuck pleb moran(grade F)
>>73928193
are you?
the family is now a monetary arrangement, nothing more or less in capitalism. the free market has determined that the value is high for marriage, the market likes divorce as it has created a huge industry around divorce itself create billions of dollars, divorce fuels consumption, lawyers etc.
communism wished to restore the family, oh yeah which places are more family oriented? the faggots in the west who claim to be religious or the former communist states.
>>73927877
>implying a free market would work either
Adding nationalism to something does not make it automatically better.
>>73928320
Theory of labour is a lie. Distribution economies will never work.
>>73928311
not an issue, but i always took the surviving errors as yet another slight against hitler and his intelligence/credibility
>haha stupid hitler can't even write correctly
>>73924374
by realizing that survival is more important than money
>>73922119
yup
>>73924626
Same can be said about capitalism.
Just take a knife, gutt every commie you see and use the entrails to strangle any bilionaire or banker, easy as that.
>>73922119
every capitalist should read Das Kapital. Capitalism is the best system, imo, but it isnt without problems that need addressed.
>>73928193
Apparently you are because he did say that, in the very first chapter.
>>73928320
maybe not full-blown National Socialism but certainly right-wing dictatorship based on alliance of industry and traditional elites with a focus on the middle classes. I'll add South Korea and Taiwan to my list, I'm sure there are some southeast Asian ones too like Indonesia but I'm not well-versed on that part of the world.
>>73928512
Individuals decide for themselves what marriage means to them.
>>73928349
>He had to fight Stalin either way
No he didn't. The country would have dissolved itself had no war started, or it would take decades before being a power to consider.
> And he sorta had to take france a some countries to stop Britain from deploying on the ground, which worked for a while
Why did he had to declare war on this countries?
>>73928080
>almost winning.
I found your post so retarded that i didn't even read the whole. Now i will laugh a little more with this part
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>73928512
>is now
Tell me again how the family used to be about love romance and totally wasn't a monetary exchange since the begining of human/ animal kind.
>ITT: Class cucks
topkek
>>73928686
industry + military + some traditional elites, more accurately.
>>73927875
It's a genius plan. If they were truly oppressed, overthrowing their leaders and taking what is now theirs would be the logical step.
Instead, they take what is now theirs, and give it directly to an even greater, more cruel, less invested and more abstract entity than the bloke who used to be paying you wages.
Marxism is truly mentally retarded.
>>73922119
Se fudeu no 4chan,volta pra page da quebrando o tabu
>>73928541
Yes it does. it automatically removes all shit skins and puts the nation first. How has nationalism ever hurt the people of a country before?
Nationl socialism has docile cohesion, homogenous countries are more happy and less full of racial struggle class warfare internally.
Minorities also will attempt to undermine the majority and demand special rights and more Gibmedats.
>>73926765
Nominally, socialist policies mixed with racialism and nationalism is perfect, but what the whiny faggot Hitler did was utter shit
>>73927636
The Republic was recovering even without the Nazis... So not a big deal
>>73927693
Socialism is something that can work, since unlike its cringy cousin, Communism, Socialism entails only that all the private sectors become nationalised.
Add nationalism to it and you prevent all possible ways that could lead to communism.
>>73922119
He actually advocates the fact that some people work harder than others and that they off course will earn more rewards because of it and that some people will always trick others to get benefits and that's just the way humans are in das kapital.
He actually writes alot that goes against modern socialist thought.
>>73922119
Pensei que vc fosse um mortadela,terminei de ler,foi mal
>>73928923
National
And social cohesion. Fucking auto wrong.
>>73928647
I never understand when people say the Frankfurt School and Cultural Marxism were a deviation from Marxism and are the source of the problem. It's perfectly clear reading Marx, and especially Engels, that communism has always been deeply hostile to Western civilisation. Simply look at how much more persecuted Christians were in the USSR than certain other religions. I'm sure we can guess which one had its own autonomous region.
>>73927875
>the state
That is socialism, communism is a step away from abolishing the state. Communism leads to anarchism, thus the state is a foe to them.
And what is bad in that, the state is truth, the state is justice, the state is honor and unity, no person should be allowed to posses the means of production.
>>73928512
>communism wished to restore the family
Some of Lenin's first policies were to legalise abortion and divorce, as well as permit homosexuality. How very pro-family.
>>73928563
>Distribution economies will never work.
They are working pretty nicely
>>73928686
> right-wing dictatorship based on alliance of industry and traditional elites
ok
>with a focus on the middle classes.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>He thinks there was a middle class in Salazar regime.
But if you are going to equate every "right wing" regime with natioanl socialism, then i can equate every "left wing" regime with socialism
>>73928647
Again, marriage has always been based on capital. its been based on capital since the humans existed. Men give capital to their women and women give them babies. Its always been this way and to pretend it hasn't been is retarded.
This is like saying feminism is promoting the family because now people only create families because they love each other. Instead what actually happens is what you get now.
Just a reminder. Love is only a temporary lapse in judgement and the only thing that keeps many families together is their children.
>>73929017
I'm sure most of us don't even have to guess
>>73929017
>that communism has always been deeply hostile to Western civilisation
That's because they viewed every single aspect of Western civilization to be born out of oppressive systems of power, like Christianity being a mental shackle, and capitalism being an economic shackle.
They are fixated on oppression to the extent that they fetishize it, and feel resentment towards anyone who does not agreed with their narrative.
>>73923345
Ah, your face! You're practically hollow!
>>73922119
>Brazilian education
>>73928460
Well yeah. If the jews lied about the Holocaust, what makes you think that they wouldn't lie about other things? Jews literally make conflict between other races to make it easier to control them. Look at these racist books. Notice the last names?
>>73922119
Stupid nigger you can't outperform a machine.
It's not question of wanting to work but human labour becoming obsolete.
The elite is is going to off us all when they got their solar charging autonomous flying death robots and orbital habitats.
>>73929082
>communism is a step away from the state
How is giving all your money to the state in the hopes that they distribute it to the pleb commoners a step away from the state?
>>73929417
>the shepherd is going to kill all his sheep once he sells enough wool
>>73922672
>Marx is now considered a difficult author
reminder that marx never had a job, not even for a day, and yet he spent his entire life writing books about how workers are exploited by the rich
>>73923821
>conservative
he basically calls for cuckoldry as a national policy m8
and im being literal here, he wants men to be forcefudly denied knowing who is his child and just raise all of them as children of the group
>>73929609
according to the wiki he was a juorno
not that that is a proper job
>>73929190
>they are working pretty nicely
No they aren't. When you compare them to free market capitalism they are always shit. Your entire ideology is based on the idea that we should all drag everyone down to the dirt so we can all be happy in the dirt.
>>73922119
Ah, Marxism. The true believer's Communism.
You understand that Marx was your trademark stereotypical lazy Jew, whose entire philosophy was built around the desire to not work and still maintain a certain comfort level, correct?
You can even conjecture that everything he preached was a rationalization for his absolute refusal to contribute to anything, his bullshit eaten up by the poor and disenfranchised who embrace him as some paragon of financial equality, when in fact he's just as much of a parasite as the business owners he rallied against.
He wanted to live the life of the wealthy elite, without the aptitude nor hard work put into building an empire, and to a large extent he did just that, on the dime of deluded rich friends who may have recognized the potential Marx may have had, insomuch as there was an element of control over the minds of the poor.
>>73929738
> free market capitalism
When did this existed? You actually know our current societies are based on redistribution?
>>73929811
>Communism is anarchism
I can sort of see your point, but it just reaches the same place by doing the complete opposite
>>73929357
From personal experience alone I can tell you that the IQ distribution is very very real.
>>73929811
>not using an actual argument
Tripfag, you are disappointing. No wonder the jewish media manipulated you so easily.
>>73929811
Thats not an argument.
>>73929590
There won't be any more wool for harvesting once it becomes a literal impossibility for humans to outcompete supercorporations wholly staffed by robots.
West is being turned back into a feudal state with this accelerating wealth concentration.
The EU is in process of banning private firearms and pulling the 500 euro bill because its too much for simple peasants.
>>73928764
>>73927990
You might want to check basic facts about WW II, you are lacking crucial information.
>>73926290
>Maybe a handfull of people on /pol/ actually read any of Marx works
>>73928109
>Read Marx works. I haven't, but...
Right. Okay.
>he didn't intended the revolution to happen in 3rd world shitholes, but in highly advanced countries.
Not really. You're thinking of his theory which claims that class antagonisms increase as a society progresses through various stages until socialism/communism is finally achieved —in this order: primitive communism, Asiatic, ancient, Germanic and Slavic, feudal, capitalist, socialist/communist. That is, the proletariat become sick of capitalist society, they revolt and finally live in harmony. This is one method by which socialism/communism can be achieved. Marx also claimed that some societies may skip various stages, and he also used Russia as an example of a country that, although not as developed as Western Euoprean capitalist countries, was ripe for socialism/communism. There's more to it, but fuck you, I'm going to bed.
>>73930116
my point is there have to be classes for the ruling class to exist you mong
"the elite" would never cull the "lower classes" because the classes need each other to survive
>>73929911
I know, and thats why they all suck ass right now.
Free market capitalism existed in early America for staters. I'd also like to just remind you that the entire industrial revolution was a result of capitalism. Exploring the new world was the result of capitalism. The advancement of almost anything in history is the result of capitalism.
You have never read them at all.
You've very likely never read much of anything.
>>73927222
The man informs the argument.
>>73927818
Much better.
Capitalism leads to corporatism if not regulated proper, certainly happening in USA right now slowly. Rise of jobless people and automatons and lobbyists.
Communism isn't anarchism and anarchism-socialism is something else also.
>>73930330
>>73930116
The only thing stopping people from lower classes from rising is market regulation
>>73929955
That is not the point. IQ is based on genetics, yes. But things like environment and education over shadows genetics by a mile. Now, before you go "liberal argument REEEEE" I'm completely aware that stupid blacks exist, but blame shouldn't go ONLY to them. We should make the minority smart black into the majority.
>>73930230
His predictions for the future were all over the place. He expected the richest countries to become socialist before all others, but that never happened, all the socialist revolutions have happened in poor second/third world countries. The West adopted the welfare state and moderate Keynesianism to curb the edges of capitalism, while Marxism-Leninism proved a dismal failure that barely lasted 70 years despite having a totalitarian grip on society.
>>73930230
>Not really.
Well, he was basically, right. Mao was the one who made the undeveloped and unintegrated masses central to the Communist revolutionary process. Marx thought the revolution would begin in Germany, since that was where the conditions seemed most right for the proletariat to rise up against the capitalist class during his lifetime. The Russian Revolution happened because Jews riled up starving and poor Russian soldiers with Communist rhetoric during a particularly bad military campaign, not because the industrial culture of Russia was producing a proletariat capable of overthrowing the government and instituting a new social order. The Empire had the largest steelworks in the world, but only one such workplace existed in the country, and it was barely integrated with the rest of Russia's infrastructure.
Marx was simply wrong all around: the LTV is a load of shit, and he was wrong about where the Communists would first take power.
>>73922119
tfw you can't criticize the system you're a part and if you do you're lazy
>I dont wanna work and people have to give me money cuz I am a lazy fuck who wants everything handled to me, but I dont want people to know that, so I´ll just blame [feudalism] and call it oppressive.
>>73930074
I'm not gonna argue with a guy that thinks the nazi regime wasn't virulently racist.
>>73930077
You can't give your goods to the state in a communist society because there is no state in a communist society.
>>73930193
What part?
>>73930522
But thats not possible. Why do you support ethnic genocide of the white race. You realize no matter how educated a nigger is they are still going to act like niggers. Its in their nature.
>>73930257
>my point is there have to be classes for the ruling class to exist you mong
Yeah, the few mortal serfs wearing intellect tracking gear that instructs their every action and propably automatically fines food credits from their account for swearing out and the biologically immortal aristocracy.
>"the elite" would never cull the "lower classes" because the classes need each other to survive
>because the classes need each other to survive
This only holds water until it doesn't. There is a finite distance between that point and where we are and we are currently accelerating towards it.
>>73922119
his work is trash in both content and form, man
his writing is poor as fuck: I've read Das Kapital in German and it's one convoluted mess
Hegel's works, just to pick someone who conveyed concepts way more difficult to put in words and to grasp, have crystal clear writing style in comparison
>>73930668
>But thats not possible.
Have you not heard of eugenics, or do you simply dislike the concept of active social selection?
>>73930783
Either way, if we're gonna give niggers intelligence we should do so in Africa, not in America because then they'll start having more niglets
>>73930301
Tbh, in early america, every system would have worked.
> I'd also like to just remind you that the entire industrial revolution was a result of capitalism. Exploring the new world was the result of capitalism. The advancement of almost anything in history is the result of capitalism.
Depends on what you see as capitalism.
>>73930499
lol
>>73930613
>You can't give your goods to the state in a communist society because there is no state in a communist society.
You can't give your goods to the state because you won't have any goods. Goods belong to the people.
If there is no state whose going to stop me from selling my goods and services for capital?
So what you actually want is free market anarchism or essentially pre historic tribes.
>>73922119
In truth, he uses an arbitrary definition of value and using it claims non-labor factors are non-productive, so any compensation they get is undeserved.
Then, his theory on the coming collapse of capitalism depends on businessmen irrationally hoarding ridiculous amounts of money (what he calls capital accumulation).
The only good point he made is about worker alienation: the issue that workers become so specialized that they do not recognize the value of their own work and, because of that, are not engaged with it.
>>73930668
>>73930783
Why would you bother with a black eugenics movement for intelligence if you could just start with a already more intelligent race?
>>73930890
Now you're going to try to change the definition of capitalism.
>>73930967
Not an argument.
>>73930971
desu, i know close to nothing about Marx and his ideas. And i don't care much for it. there were some posters here who probably know much more, so you would do better asking them
>>73931051
>attempted to murder his brother.
>>73930613
What the fuck you are doing on /pol/. Shouldn't you be in your women's studies class now? Your response is the most liberal thing I have ever heard on /pol/. You'll believe anything the jews tell you. Liberals call us ignorant, but automatically dismiss any opposing thought. National Socialism appears racist because of false information, and your too lazy to dig deeper.
>>73922119
If you have never read Adam Smith's book I wills sum it up for yuo
>I dont want to work I just want to live off daddys rich inheritance money and dont want to be taxed I'm going to blame government for helping poor people because im too lazy to do it.
You don't understand anything.
>>73922119
He is not even blame capitalism.
>>73931122
define it.
>>73930852
Eugenics involves eliminating undesirable segments of a population, so that wouldn't even be much of a problem. It would necessarily involve control over their breeding habits, not just their intelligence.
>>73931058
If you want to address the issue at all, doing something is better than doing nothing. Black genocide is probably impossible. The best option is to try to utilize the best of them for our own ends before those useful niggers get too full of themselves and try to form an African-American revolutionary movement.
>>73931189
Says the /leftypol/ faggot. Damage control throttle control on maximum.
>>73930613
The whole?
>A French offensive in the Rhine valley began on 7 September, four days after France declared war on Germany.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saar_Offensive
>>73931250
>leaf
>>73931239
triggered much from the truth, bro?
>>73931314
lefty/pol/ != /leftypol/ bro.
>>73931346
And remind me again why did the french declare war on Germany again?
>>73927244
they do look pretty cool, if you do not have to wear that retarded armband
too bad they are stained now
>>73931269
An economic system where people can privately own property goods or services. Or a system where people can own their own and create their own capital.
>>73931499
Yeah, i sometimes like to go there for the feel threads, and rekt threads to show my friends. But apart from that i dont use it.
>>73931580
>lefty/pol/ != /leftypol/ bro.
So you're basically even more of an idiot than the people who post on /leftypol/.
>>73931306
Black genocide in white countries in very possible. I'm not advocating invading Africa.
>>73931630
>too bad they are stained now
I feel you bro.
>>73931653
Was feudalism capitalism?
>>73931580
As I said, go and read up on the war if you want to participate in the discussion. You clearly lack the historical knowledge, yet you keep talking about it like you know everything.
I think in this very same thread, some poster mentioned something like the Dunning–Kruger effect, you might want to check it out...
Yeshuah ben Yosef was the first SJW.
>>73931665
>>73931697
You are actually triggered, bro. lol
>>73931842
Nice projection bro. Tell me what part i said is wrong. I don't care for this shitty tactics.
>>73923821
>capitalism destroys the family
Really? Then why does he advocate for the dissolution of families?
>>73931934
I believe I won the argument. If all you are going to post "triggered,bro. lol." it only proves my point even more.
>>73931722
>Black genocide in white countries in very possible.
Is it feasible, though?
>I'm not advocating invading Africa.
Why not?
>>73931934
Pic related
>>73932240
https://www.google.pt/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=marx+dissolution+of+families
>>73932333
>>73932458
I don't even now what we were arguing. But if it makes you happy.
>>73932635
>I don't even now what we were arguing.
I think it was about whether or not leftist ideologies are practicable, and the history of attempts at the implementation of Communism.
>>73922119
I despise Marx, but here is where he was profound
>actually defined capitalism, describing it in-depth, and then criticizing it
>concept of human essence as labor is interesting and deserves analysis
>questioned conceptual boundaries
>brought to attention how culture and upbringing can create conceptual boundaries
>brought psychology into the philosophical field
>overall, an interesting offshoot of Hegel
where Marx went full retard
>half-assed philosophic system; metaphysical materialism is lazy, his epistemology is nonexistent and presupposed on his metaphysics, he has no ethics, and he skips all the way to political prescriptions
>his response to critics: "you just don't get it/you're brainwashed"
>did not practice what he preached at all, setting a bad example
>more interested in political and material gain than intellectual pursuits; used his ideas as a means to an end, rather than as an end in and of itself
>led to lazy critical theory in the humanities which is more interested in criticizing and breaking down boundaries than actually doing anything
a perfect example is history, which I abandoned as a potential profession in my 20's. historians are more interested in talking about new ways to talk about history, rather than actually doing history. a scholar can write a 500-page book with entirely new archival sources, but his or her peers will be more interested in the politics of their narrative than the new information.
>>73932852
> leftist ideologies
Such as?
> and the history of attempts at the implementation of Communism.
if we include the power hungry politicians looking for dat juicy Soviet Union money, thenalmost all ended up in disaster
>>73932635
If I really need to spell it out to you, we was arguing that National Socialism is not inherently racist, and evidence proving other wise is propagated by Jews
>>73933048
>Such as?
Socialism and Communism, specifically Maoism and Marxism-Leninism.
>if we include the power hungry politicians looking for dat juicy Soviet Union money, thenalmost all ended up in disaster
Why would anyone overlook those people?
>>73933108
Oh, you are that retard. No, i was not arguing with you, because i don't bother myself arguing with people that deny reality.
>>73933348
Refer to >>73931239
>>73933348
But he was almost right. Have you heard of Giovanni Gentile? I know this anon was talking about National Socialism specifically, but there are forms of fascism that aren't based on racial purity or whatever.
>>73922119
>marxism contradicts my neckbeard capitalist lifestyle, tear tear!
With these arguments you're only contributing to the idea of lazy fucks getting everything handled to them.
>>73930333
How am I supposed to know who these men are with their eyes censored?
>>73933108
> we was arguing
Omg, you are a nigger or a Cletus.
>>73933170
>Socialism
Socialism as many broad definitions, that the very own word as lost most of it meaning nowadays. You will have to be more precise.
>Maoism
If by Maoism, you mean the tim e in wich China was rueld by Mao, then it was a major fuck up, no doubt. It's what happens when you put retards in front of a country. It didn't matter what ideology he was. Hitler was capitalistic, yet his regime killed dozens of millions of persons. Great Britain too.
>Marxism-Leninism.
I know 0 about Lenin
>Why would anyone overlook those people?
Because it's somewhat dishonest to make a argument a gaisnt a ideology by starwmaning it. Slandering Communism with Pol Pot is nothing more then a strawman. We we could do the same argument against capitalism using Nazi Germany, african warlords...
>>73933549
There are forms of National Socialism that the term "Aryan" is used in it original purpose, just person that expresses noble traits. It's goal is to preserve this traits, regardless of race.
>>73933966
Excuse me. *were
>>73933549
We were both talking about German Nazi party. I cleared that up too. I'm not bumping fascism and ever "right wing" ideology with it. I am just adressing Hitler National Socialism.
>>73933983
*a person
ITT: most of the people pretend they've read marx by poorly paraphrasing rhetoric/literal propaganda they've absorbed over the years
I'm not a communist, but most of you clearly haven't even bothered to read it. It seems that many of you assume the bits you've absorbed from other sources gives you a picture of the whole, but make the mistake of conflating things that spawned from marx's writing to marx's writing. Like assuming you understand the torah because you've read the new testament
>>73935396
I don't blame anybody, though. Kapital is a fucking snoozefest.
>>73922672
>implying you have to read something to understand it
If you actually have to read the primary text in order to comprehend something then it is not worth my time.
>>73922119
>I dont wanna work and people have to give me money cuz
You just described every rich person.
I dont wanna work and people have to give me money cuz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0VXlslFFCQ
>>73936477
>implying you have to read something to understand it
Americans...
>>73922119
Lambright here.
Carl marx is a genius. Get back to work slave.
Marx never talked about what should happen, he only talked about what he thought was going to happen. He didn't really advocate for Communism as much as he tried to predict what Capitalism was and what would happen as a result of centuries of Capitalism.
I'm not a communist, but you are seriously retarded if you think Marx's teaching is about encouraging communism instead of studying capitalism
>>73936777
>He didn't really advocate for Communism
The only people who say this are those who've never read the Manifesto.
>>73936917
And what is 99% of the Manifesto? Talking about capitalism. Sure, he makes some vague statements akin to 'Down with capitalism,' but the grand majority of the text is talking about what capitalism is and why it will fail, not why it is evil and why it should be implemented. He doesn't even really explain what communism would look like. Go read a book
>>73937134
>Go read a book
I have, and you haven't. That's the rub.
>>73922119
Brazilian intellectuals
>>73937191
Nah, you probably didn't. Try reading it and then coming back, it's not very long
>>73937229
You poo in the loos literally wipe your asses with books (or your hands)
>>73927818
Well said.
>>73937559
>Nah, you probably didn't.
No, I definitely did. It's about 50-60 pages. I'm sure you could finish it within an hour and then be back here to admit your wrondoing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glzXtLvloVo
>>73936777
Those are the theoretical presumptions with which Marx wanted people to approach communism, but he was also an advocate for revolutionary organization himself. He thought religious and moralizing brands of criticism were reactionary and encouraged people to attempt turning back the clock rather than struggle for a future that included all of the advantages of capitalism without its ills. Basically, he was anti-romantic.
>>73929082
You literally have shit for brains. The state is a single entity that supposedly represents the people. The opposite of the state is the single free human.
State = Public (which is a lie)
The free man = Private
>>73938206
>State = Public
Not for Marx, sorry. The state represents the collective interests of capital.
>>73938086
>but he was also an advocate for revolutionary organization himself
Yeah, of course, but that was mostly outside of his writings, like his involvement in the International Workingmen's Association, but when it comes to what he actually wrote about, it was never about why Communism SHOULD be implemented, but why Capitalism WILL fall and communism WILL inevitably be implemented.
When it comes to his writings, he was an informer, not an advocate
>>73931840
Capitalism is an economic system not a form of government. If lords let their people own their own capital then yes.
>>73938536
>When it comes to his writings, he was an informer, not an advocate
Yes and no. His position was that the mere fact of the proletarian's situation in capitalism would tend to drive him to resist it and eventually to overthrow it. The less working people were deluded by religious or moral utopianism, so much the less stood in the way of their embarking upon a consciously revolutionary struggle. For Marx, strictly factual analysis of capitalism was revolutionary propaganda.
>>73932458
Is it feasible? No and thats why we are fucked.
We wouldn't invade Africa. Why bother? I don't want to wipe an entire race off of the planet. Instead we could just visit from time to time and see if they ever advance themselves.
>>73922119
>"I'll write about how shitty the capitalist system is while mooching off my best friend Engels who profits off the capitalist system :DDDDD"
>>73922119
Jesus Christ OP, you didnt read it too.
>>73936527
keyword is have
>>73930333
is this like "remember the six trillion"? No credible estimates are anywhere near that high - the Black Book of Communism had to ridiculously inflate its figures (Stalin killed a third of the USSR's population! Really! And somehow won WW2 anyway!) just to get to 100 million.
>>73922119
t. someone who has never read marx
>>73922119
Better late than never, welcome to the anti-marxism club.
>>73939091
Marx never said that capitalism is shit.
He just said that the next step was destroy the burgoise and put the workers on power, like the burgoise did to the nobility in the french revolution.
Not that I support it, but marxism is much more complex than just "muh oppression",
>>73922119
It's troubling because the man actually has a lot of good points, but his followers are so BATSHIT RETARDED it makes it hard to like him.
At the end of the day though, Marxist movements and governments have been tried and always ended up badly.
>>73939091
Marx spent a great deal of time outlining the revolutionary character of capitalism and the increasing dominion of mankind over nature inaugurated by it. He was something of a fan, and like all the greatest fans, a critic.
>>73939266
>is this like "remember the six trillion"?
No, it's serious. Based on US/GB reconnaissance during and after the war.
>USSR
>somehow won WW2 anyway!
The United States won WWII you complete fucking moron.
>>73938384
so like democracies? You're literally retarded and don't know what you're talking about.
>>73938888
Right, his intentions were to support communism and the dissolution of the aforementioned religious institutions. But as you said, he saw critical analysis of capitalism as propaganda for communism, which really doesn't support OP's poor summary of
>>"I dont wanna work and people have to give me money cuz I am a lazy fuck who wants everything handled to me, but I dont want people to know that, so I´ll just blame capitalism and call it oppressive."
Considering he didn't really talk about anything of that nature. In fact, he often talked about how the numerous poor were not as deserving of help as the suffering workingmen, which isn't really SJW-like at all
>>73939559
US fought against the least trained soldiers of Germany.
You guys destroyed the gooks though
>>73939749
I pointed out how Marx viewed the state. Whether the collective interests of the bourgeoisie require the support of the people (broadly conceived) or the backing of the aristocracy, as in earlier history, is a matter of historical rather than theoretical consequence. Democracy does not represent a departure from bourgeois rule so much as the weakness of bourgeois rule in the face of organized, popular resistance. To rule by the consent of the governed is no less a form of rule.
>>73939789
Sure. OP is just trolling, though. You know the shtick; post a hyperbolic image attacking straw-Marx or straw-communism and wait for your 300 replies. Honestly, I support it. Marx's image is never really damaged and it provides a space for counter-points that otherwise would never be seen by this milieu.
>>73940739
What's it like being a feckless commie?
