Is Marijuana degenerate? Should it be banned?
I can't really make my mind up. On the one hand it's degenerate and stoners are millennial fags but on the otherhand banning people smoking a plant seems kind of wrong.
>>73858346
>stoners are millennial fags
You realize people have been smoking weed since before the 90s right? Weed wasn't invented in 2011 with smart phones.
>>73858455
That's not what i heard from /pol/.
Who should I believe? People on the internet or real life?
Weed makes you cool and should be legal in all 420 countries
>>73858346
The degenerates are right. It should be legal.
>>73858346
it is literally degenerate as it lowers your sperm count
>>73859327
Yeah but you can make up for it by the 4 consecutive cumshots you get from weed boners. Weed does wonders for the boner.
>>73858346
I really need to save my canned response to this in a txt file to just paste in here every time some fisherman casts his line.
>>73859327
Modern sedentary life lowers your sperm count more than anything.
>>73859327
>it is literally degenerate as it lowers your sperm count
Masturbating to trump on /pol/ lowers your sperm count too
Should be legal.
>>73859241
This. It's like prostitution. As much as you may not agree with it, criminalizing it only causes harm (unless you include stds)
>>73859482
Right? I get high and jerk it to incest like every night
>>73858346
It should be banned because retards will inevitably drive while high, and I don't want my mother to die because John the 18-year-old Stoner decided to drive to community college after smoking 20 joints.
>>73859892
>It should be banned because retards will inevitably drive while high, and I don't want my mother to die because John the 18-year-old Stoner decided to drive to community college after smoking 20 joints
Can't that happen with alcohol though?
Should be legal. Government grown /supervised. And taxed
>it would cripple the gangs income
>would create jobs
>would take a huge hit at the tobacco industry
>more tax money that you only pay if you want a product
It's bad for children, especially teenagers with developing brains. It isn't benign. It is habituating if not addictive. Of course it's a gateway drug, it trains children how to score drugs. It inculcates them into drug culture.
Marijuana also contributes to the exacerbation of mental illness in developing brains.
>>73859892
>going all the way to your car while high when you can just stay here on the couch and eat icecream with my ffriends
>driving fast. No thanks sounds stressful man
>>73859892
>It should be banned because retards will inevitably drive while high
It's already banned, and it already happens
>>73860228
>It's bad for children, especially teenagers with developing brains. It isn't benign. It is habituating if not addictive. Of course it's a gateway drug, it trains children how to score drugs. It inculcates them into drug culture.
>Marijuana also contributes to the exacerbation of mental illness in developing brains.
Why is this not an issue with alcohol?
If we make Marijuana legal only for people over 18 or something is that ok?
>>73860228
No one ITT is arguing for weed for children / teenagers.
And all those other problems essentially stem from it being criminalized
If one can not do with his own body as he pleases, what freedom does he really have?
I dont believe in telling people what they can and cant do to themselves if its no direct effect on others. Smoke fucking cat shit if you want, who am I to say otherwise?
>>73860367
>>73860381
But any form of softening the laws against marijuana would, inevitably, make marijuana more widely available to minors. Just like alcohol and tobacco.
>>73860011
>>would take a huge hit at the tobacco industry
You think people will stop using tobacco products strictly because marijuana is legal?
I've got a bridge to sell you.
>>73859816
fucking degenerate
>>73860517
>But any form of softening the laws against marijuana would, inevitably, make marijuana more widely available to minors. Just like alcohol and tobacco.
But Marijuana is already extremely popular among teens, if this issue isn't occuring with alcohol why would it happen with marijuana?
>>73860548
>fucking degenerate
You are also one.
>>73860548
Nigger lover. Ain't nothing wrong with incest
Every fucking day.
No desu
I've fully given up opiates for organic medical marijuana. Not only is it a pain killer it's also an anti-inflammatory
Which i use to deal with this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankylosing_spondylitis
Even traditional anti-inflammatories have fucked with my eye sight; so i quit them also.
But THC and CBD (good weed and/or concentrates and edibles) yoga, diet control and going to the gym have helped me more than taking every pill doctors threw at me ever has
>Tldr; organic weed, good diet and gym=good
>taking every pill Dr's through at you and self loathing=bad
marijuana helped me through rough times in my life. but i never saw myself continuing using it. as much as it helped, it just made lazy and uninterested in normal activity.
>>73858346
It's no more degenerate than alcohol or tobacco. Should be legal.
>>73860517
No. No it would not. Exactly the oposite actually.
It would enable regulation and government operated dispenseres where people can work and earn an honest living so it won't be jamaal or achmed on the street corner peddling it kids.
And if your talking like a dad has some weed that he bought legally but his stupid son tries some. What's the difference to raiding the liquor cabinet?
>>73859892
Alcohol should be banned for the same reason.
And cell phones.
>>73860801
and anime imageboards
and videogames
>>73860228
Those are all good points for legalization.
Is it degenerate? Not really. It opens the mind and allows you to see beyond the normal day-to-day false reality we've been taught since we were kids. It's essentially LSD-lite for people who are too afraid to really dissolve their internal boundaries. Some people abuse it and become lazy jobless stoners but you can't really judge its worthiness based on the actions of a few.
Should it be banned? No. It's a fucking plant. How the hell are you supposed to justify banning a plant.
>>73860801
He'll why don't we just ban driving? Would get rid of the problem all together! And if there are no cars on the streets kids/teenagers won't be tempted to try them when they get older
>>73860580
Older teens and young adults who can buy alcohol and tobacco may often make straw purchases on behalf of their younger friends. Young people, who might be allowed to purchase marijuana legally, would then make illegal purchases for younger people. Ever heard of "contributing to the delinquency of a minor?"
>>73860898
Why don't we just ask our government what we should be allowed to do based on government studies for maximum productivity?
I don't want to be a degenerate any longer!
>>73860877
All drugs come from plants on way or another...
>>73858346
>Should it be banned?
No. Banning marijuana is the kind of nannystate statism that allows the government to push through bullshit like tranny bathrooms because people are just that used to having the state think for them.
>On the one hand it's degenerate and stoners are millennial fags but on the otherhand banning people smoking a plant seems kind of wrong.
You already answered your question.
It should be legal, you not liking people who smoke has no impact on what's proper.
>>73860801
Do you think that by legalizing marijuana, alcohol and cell phones will magically disappear from the Earth?
What exactly is stopping people from doing all three while driving?
You may say "people already do drive while high," but you should realize that if you legalize marijuana, it will become permanently ingrained in our childrens' minds that it's "okay" to smoke weed. If you legalize it, more people will smoke. People will still drink alcohol and text while driving at the SAME TIME.
THEY'RE NOT FUCKING MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE HOLY SHIT
>>73860959
not jenkem
>>73860919
>Older teens and young adults who can buy alcohol and tobacco may often make straw purchases on behalf of their younger friends. Young people, who might be allowed to purchase marijuana legally, would then make illegal purchases for younger people. Ever heard of "contributing to the delinquency of a minor?"
And how exactly is that different right now?
Only difference is that the multiple drug dealers selling marijuana in every highschool don't ask for IDs or verify you're old enough or legally prescribed it to smoke.
So in actuality it is easier to obtain the illegal marijuana than the legal alcohol. Very poor argument.
>>73860955
Good plan! The government surely has the best platform for making personal decisions for me and what I do at all times
>>73860228
>Of course it's a gateway drug, it trains children how to score drugs. It inculcates them into drug culture.
Which is why it needs to be legal.
Thanks for proving everyone's point.
>>73861055
If anything that shouldn't be illegal, its my shit, I should have a say in what I do with it.
>>73861031
>What exactly is stopping people from doing all three while driving?
No one has made a law against it yet, obviously.
>>73861062
I must contend that it would be easier to buy marijuana from gas stations than from seedy trailer parks. I have a hard time understanding why softening marijuana laws wouldn't make something that is already easy while illegal even easier when legal.
>>73860228
> Of course it's a gateway drug, it trains children how to score drugs. It inculcates them into drug culture.
Actually the only "gateway" drug according to every study on the subject is alcohol. If you hang around "stoners" long enough you'll notice a good bit of them don't even drink, they smoke weed and that's it. That's how I am.
The ONLY valid way weed is a gateway drug is that it makes you realize your government is lying to you and that might open your mind to trying other substances to see what else you're not being told the truth about. I blame the government lying for that.
>>73860501
I don't get why this attitude is so hard for people to emulate? Why does everyone have to try and control everyone else? I'm sick of this shit. My body, my rules remember? I don't tell them not cover their dumbasses in tattoos and drink themselves into an early grave, stop telling me to stop smoking a bowl, reading a book and then having a pleasant six hours of comfortable sleep.
>>73861031
>if you legalize marijuana, it will become permanently ingrained in our childrens' minds that it's "okay" to smoke weed.
If we legalize assault weapons it will be permanently ingrained in our children's minds that it's "okay" to shoot up schools.
This is your entire argument.
Thanks for going full FEELS.
>>73861324
>I have a hard time understanding why softening marijuana laws wouldn't make something that is already easy while illegal even easier when legal
It would only make logical sense.
Marijuana is not remarkably harmful unless you consume it in large quantities as a teenager - something most teenagers cannot afford. But for adults it is still illegal.
and yet alcohol which is far worse, results in countless deaths and costs to society annually remains legal. I just don't get it.
How can you call yourself a free country if you don't allow people to smoke a plant?
Furthermore how do you justify the immense spending of people's tax dollars on fighting a war against an INANIMATE OBJECT? -- A losing war mind you.
>>73861031
>That it's "okay" to smoke weed
What's wrong with that?
>>73861433
Plus alcohol, cigarettes, prescription drugs are all legal and kids don't think it's OK for them to use any of those.
>>73860959
Mushrooms are fungus
>>73858346
Its not harmful so no its should not be illegal.
It doesnt cure cancer or all this other magical bull shit but it is not harmful.
Also the tax money could help support all the niggers we love supporting so much.
>>73861031
>THINK OF DA CHILDREN
i thought /pol/ liked Freedom and Liberty and that reefer madness ended decades ago?
OH SAY CAN YOU SEE
For
>reasonable implementation plans
>facts
>pro freedom
Against
>muh feelies
>muh children
>muh b-but something bad could potentially maeby happen
>anti freedom
>>73861433
...The only purpose of MJ is to smoke it... true.
...The only purpose of "assault weapons" is to shoot up schools...false.
>>73862012
>...The only purpose of "assault weapons" is to shoot up schools...false.
What can firearms be used for other than killing people?
>>73861465
Just to be clear: you're shifting points. I'm still stuck on the subject of severely restricting access to marijuana from minors and other young people.
I will, however, assert that marijuana is harmful for adults as well. I'm not inclined to believe that marijuana should be legalized because society and law tolerate other harmful substances like alcohol.
>>73858346
>Should it be banned?
Just as soon as alcohol
>>73861839
>>73861582
These.
>>73861536
Plus a lot of prescription drugs get pushed on kids by their parents.
People who constantly pump their kids full of antibiotics (usually for shit like viral infections that don't respond to it anyway) or stimulants (usually for DARING to be anything but a soulless drone in school or DARING to behave like a male) shoot be thrown in the ocean.
>>73861465
>A losing war mind you.
Not only logistically but also ideologically, mind you. Even fucking TEXAS has I think two bills to legalize in the works right now.
Legalize it and let degenerate junkies with their nigger culture stay indoors blazing it, who choose to do so. :^)
>>73862012
>...The only purpose of MJ is to smoke it... true.
you mean false
>what is an edible
eating it has never been the issue, it's SMOKING thats bad, eating it has little side effect, under controlled dosage
>>73862196
>Hunting? Not getting mauled by a bear when camping? Removing varmints who are ruining your crops / killing your chickens or cats?
Pretty small usage of firearms tho, other than hunting isn't there better choices?
A bb gun and pepperspray i think would be more humane without aiding mass shootings happening monthly
>>73858346
>Should it be banned?
>On the one hand it's degenerate
>calling a plant degenerate
Everything in moderation.
>>73859892
>>73861031
But it's perfectly fine to have alcohol ads all over the place?
People shake their heads when they hear a drunk driving accident.
People protest when someone is high and gets in an accident.
>>73862254
>Not only logistically but also ideologically, mind you. Even fucking TEXAS has I think two bills to legalize in the works right now.
I don't even know how people on /pol/ can unironically support the war on drugs.
You guys are suppose to be "redpilled" and actually somewhat knowledgeable in politics. Shit like "What if kids smoke it and then become heroin addicts and kill themselves" seems more fit on facebook pages for middleaged moms.
>>73862367
and then there will be a surge in stabbings
wait let me guess
>bin that KNIFE
>>73862371
So take gay porn slow so you don't get the gay?
>>73862367
>A bb gun and pepperspray
you think a fucking bb gun is going to protect you from some heavy coated man running at you?
>aim at the face
good luck aiming with the adrenaline rushing through your veins, hope you remembered to cock it since you cant have one chambered
>Is it degenerate
Yes it causes people to spend time doing nothing but getting high and getting stuff and people waste a ton of time and energy on it
>Should it be banned
No, if you think it should be banned you're letting your emotions drive your decision making instead of your brain, prohibition is not worth maintaining given pots current levels of usage and the fact that pot use isn't actually THAT risky. Allowing legalization is not majority opinion on the left and right, especially among youth, it's not partisan to be pro-legalization these days, just common sense.
>>73862493
>and then there will be a surge in stabbings
>wait let me guess
>>bin that KNIFE
Can you explain to me why countries like the UK, Australia or Canada have little to no mass shootings and yet the US seems to have one every month?
In fact the US has more mass shootings yearly than multiple countries can remember in a decade.
>>73862615
>Go try and live / work on a farm, you'll get a better understanding of why they are a necessary item in the humans tool box of useful things.
Why would I work on a farm?
My IQ is above 90.
>>73862448
>I don't even know how people on /pol/ can unironically support the war on drugs.
Because their 'redpill' is a mix of truth that got forgotten and old lies.
/pol/ just automatically thinks that anything old is good while forgetting that prohibition of marijuana is an EXTREMELY new concept.
>>73858346
>Is Marijuana degenerate?
Yes
>Should it be banned?
No
>>73860877
>Justifuh muh plaunt bans
Well, cyanide comes from plants, and it's illegal to feed people cyanide.
>>73862611
Also medical marijuana is real but only if you narrowly apply it to specific uses like THC helping with appetite particularly with aids/chemo patients, CBD helping with seizures, and stuff like that. I don't really understand why people are against medical pot when pretty much everybody that was a decent person would look the other way if a friend with cancer decided to get a little high so he could keep a meal down.
>sheltered, booger crust NEETs want to force me into jail for getting illegally high
And then you guys all grow up to be the heaviest alcoholics. Fuck off, you dumb faggots.
>>73862634
Niggers m8, they have 30 - 40million niggers
>>73862634
>>73862650
fucking china a true kek
>>73862367
>greentexting his entire post
>>73859892
Perpetual stoner here. Stoned at my job, shitposting on 4chan from my desk. I drive stoned everyday, and the only time I wrecked my car was when I was sober.
>>73862736
>Niggers m8, they have 30 - 40million niggers
Why are the niggers not committing shoot shootings? Still doesn't explain it desu.
>>73862196
Look at those fluffy ears! It's got to be the cutest bear ever.
>>73862650
Haha enjoy starving in the future.
>not owning your own acres and hobby farm for your leisure and enjoyment
City faggot pleb detected, hows Toronto treating you?
Like shit if you're against medical marijuana you're as bad as Mitt Romney in this cringeworthy video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY6UTnS6Z-A
>>73860228
>it inculcates them into drug culture
>it trains children how to score drugs
11/10 b8 m8
>>73862736
>assaulting someone in a driveway
Man...
>>73862732
It does seem to be very much a thing about being frustrated for being excluded, yeah.
>>73858346
It should be legal so you can spot the degenerates and avoid them.
It's basically a big flashing sign saying
>don't date me
>don't employ me
>don't talk to me or my girlfriend's son ever again.
>>73862634
First of all, mass shootings are a hoax, and second of all, the U.K. still has gun crime and their population is only 64 million compared to our country of 300 million. Big gap. And as previously mentioned by another poster, we have a large population of niggers who shoot at each other regularly.
>>73862791
>chicago
checkmate nigger enabler
>>73862827
>City faggot pleb detected, hows Toronto treating you?
Love Toronto, it's really cozy.
>Haha enjoy starving in the future.
Why would that ever happen?
>>73862827
>opening your mouth while boxing
He's lucky he went down when he did.
>>73858590
Do people in real life tell you you're a fag? If so, believe both. If not, believe me, you're a faggot and this thread fucking sucks.
>>73862979
>mass shootings are a hoax
How do you figure?
Got any proof other than alex jones?
>>73858346
marijuana as shitty as that in your pic should be banned. get your shit together, Canada
>>73861031
There really is nothing that wrong with smoking weed if you use it in moderation. Why dont you parent your own kids instead of having the state do it for you cuck.
>>73863054
>Do people in real life tell you you're a fag?
Yes
>>73862827
Enjoy it while it lasts before it goes the way of Rhodesia
>>73863082
>pfft, nice one, alex jones xD
Alex Jones is a snake oil merchant, but I can guarantee that he knows more than you will ever know. And he could beat your Toronto loving ass. But here you go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B3kC-zQfRM
>>73862099
>I'm not inclined to believe that marijuana should be legalized because society and law tolerate other harmful substances like alcohol.
yeah because you're a stupid fucking cunt
>>73863232
I have begun culturally-identifying as part Native-American, I'll be okay with some land, Canada won't fall like SA
>>73862634
The US is 5x larger than the UK
If you compare the UK with the US statistically, you will see that the UK has a lot more knife crimes than the US has in gun crimes
>>73863082
Progressive Liberal as fuck Mother Jones admits there aren't daily mass shootings, saying it's only because some faggot changed the definition from "killed" to "wounded and killed" and others latched on to it.
>No, There Has Not Been a Mass Shooting Every Day This Year
>This inflated stat all over the media isn't just misleading—it's stirring undue fear.
>In fact, there have been four mass shootings this year. Or, if you count using the federal government's current criteria—three or more victims killed in an indiscriminate public rampage—there have been six mass shootings this year.
>I recently wrote in the New York Times about the dubious methodology behind the "mass shootings every day" claim—essentially, an anonymous guy on Reddit made it up—and why it makes little sense in the context of Sandy Hook or San Bernardino:
>What explains the vastly different count? The answer is that there is no official definition for "mass shooting." Almost all of the gun crimes behind the much larger statistic are less lethal and bear little relevance to the type of public mass murder we have just witnessed again. Including them in the same breath suggests that a 1 a.m. gang fight in a Sacramento restaurant, in which two were killed and two injured, is the same kind of event as a deranged man walking into a community college classroom and massacring nine and injuring nine others. Or that a late-night shooting on a street in Savannah, Ga., yesterday that injured three and killed one is in the same category as the madness that just played out in Southern California.
http://archive.is/YYHHY
>>73858346
It should just be decriminalized but illegal to grow or distribute.
W/e negro wants to smoke it - can smoke it care free and the prison system will actually have room for actual criminals.
>>73863345
>Progressive Liberal as fuck Mother Jones admits there aren't daily mass shootings
I never said it was daily.
I said it's very common in comparison to let's say Australia which I believe has almost never had one in a decade.
>>73858455
you realize people have been smoking for centuries now.
>>73858346
Naw it betters the quality of the sleep
One should consume before sleep atleast one time a week
>>73863334
>>73862827
Can you explain why I will starve in the future btw?
You got me worried now.
>>73863496
Austrailia has had several and their police departments regularly call gun crime their major worry.
>>73863496
But there was 371 "mass shootings" last year
There are 140 so far this year
At least those fags now admit it
>We define a “mass shooting” as a single outburst of violence in which four or more people are shot. This is not the same as mass murder as defined by the FBI.
http://massshootingtracker.org/#MSTCY
>>73858602
>Weed makes you cool
Ha so it's all about the social aspect, if no one ever noticed you smoking weed or if you couldn't brag about it online - you wouldn't smoke it, because you would just be a poisoned and function very slowly and automatically you will be aware that it's not a good state to be into... but social brainwashing is stronger
>>73860531
Most people only use one drug
Despite that the tobacco industry is already in decline since years while the weed consumption is growing
Tobacco has become not cool
>>73863694
>There are 140 so far this year
>ONLY
>>73863699
No not really.
Smoking weed feels good, it's relaxing, food tastes better and music is easier to listen to.
>>73859892
the percentage of car wrecks while under the influence of marijuana only are substantially smaller than people who get in wrecks because they are drunk.
>>73858346
Smoke all you want.. Good luck finding a decent job.
>>73858346
No. No.
>>73858346
Its not a problem of a drug but of the user. For that i love the amirican law that point out the use of alcohol etc at 21 years old which is the end real of growing stage.The point is that Marijuana have also the possibility to change in the hormon system and flow of hormons in a growing human like alcohol destroy some of the nerve system etc. So my point is legal above the age of 21 and banned for the young pepole and the money from legalisation its put in a education what could happen by useing drugs which never happen ...
The last poin THC is of use in some medicaments.
don't listen to /pol/ on this subject, OP. I pretty sure I have never seen a single reasonable anti-marijuana argument on here.
It's always "muh feels", "muh arbitrary definition of degeneracy", "muh slippery slope", generalizing and thinking all stoners are the DUDE WEED LMAO XD-type and so on.
I'm gonna smoke a fat one when I get home tonight to honour /pol/. God bless you, anti-weed faggots.
>>73858346
Nope. Millenials are gonna millenial, no matter what. Str8 edge faggots keep trying to blame it on drugs. It's the fucking environment. The media. The music. The entertainment. Did the stoners of the 60's and 70's go out and try and rob other stoners of their weed? Nope. It wasn't encouraged. It wasn't in the people's mainstream consciousness to do that. Were niggas back then talking about smoking blunts and killing people? Nope.
This all boils down to culture. What is considered acceptable in culture and what isn't.
Source: someone who has smoked weed for 15 plus years, but prefers sativas over indica.
Indica dominants induce couchlock and are pretty much a direct cause of the lazy stoner stereotype. Sativa dominants are much more cerebral and help with creativity, focus, and mood, while being uplifting. Most people don't like to think, unfortunately. Ergo, why they prefer indica over sativa
>>73864221
no well becaome sterill then :
>www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6090909
>http://www.ukcia.org/research/EndocrineEffects.pdf
How about the government doesn't tell me what to and what not to put in my body as long as it doesn't kill me or significantly injure me.
>>73864540
>How about the government doesn't tell me what to and what not to put in my body as long as it doesn't kill me or significantly injure me.
The majority of /pol/ is in-favor of socialism and authoritarianism
>>73864361
Sativas also have a chance of starting a panic attack while indica does the opposite
I cant smoke sativa for example but a nice indica before sleep is fine
>>73864540
but THC have a potencial to harm see :>>73864487
ok that is most for growing stage and become sterile its not my problem that some socialistic pigs cant reproduct anymore ...
Everyone who smokes weed should be hanged.
It's a degenerate drug and makes you turn into a leftist freak and then you end up voting for guys like Turdo.
It also makes you like cats and cats are evil.
Get out of my continent you pot smoking commies.
Jam your bong in your ass and then slide down the stairs.
>>73864594
fuck that shit
>>73864753
like i want to have kids lol
>>73858346
Right wing pro-weed is telegraphic.us
>>73864847
>Someone values their time so little they actually made this image
I live in Colorado and legalizing it was a mistake.
Now all the filth air their disgusting lifestyles in public.
I liked it better when it was illegal, people kept to themselves and dodging cops as a stoned teenager at 1am with your friends was a great adrenaline rush.
>>73864608
IMO, panic attacks are bullshit. Sativas are racy, and they often cause thoughts to go much faster than they would when sober. These people feel the anxiety rising, they think to themselves, "Oh, shit! I think I'm gonna have a panic attack!" which just reinforces it, and then they get stuck in a loop of the body doing what they are telling it to do via the mind, or rather, expecting it to.
I've had instances shit like this happen to me. I swear by the hippie speedball. That's coffee and weed. After once time of doing that like usual, I became very acutely aware of my heartbeat rhythm. It was going pretty fast and I freaked out about it, which only made it worse.
Ex-fiance calmed me down about it, and I was fine. Later, I realized that my heart was beating much faster than what I was worried about, just from running at the gym.
>>73858346
NO but the culture surrounding it definitely is.
If it becomes wider available to ordinary working people the culture will change or disappear :)
>>73864753
so fucking what, literally ANYTHING in this world has a "potential harm". Radiation, air pollution, eating moldy food by accident, alcohol, cigarettes, candy, McDonalds. If one had to live their life swearing by every kind of these studies, then it would be impossible to live off of anything at this point.
Also, literally every single source in the article you linked is from the 90's or before, how about some newer research?
>>73858346
degenerate? yes, should be banned? no
>>73858346
Marijuana can lead to laziness which can lead to degeneracy.
Essentially whereas being an intense degenerate would normally trigger feelings of dread and loathing, which might lead one to change one's lifestyle, weed will make you feel good about whatever your situation is so you don't seek to change it.
Weed is not degenerate, plenty of highly successful people smoke it, but it must be used in moderation, like alcohol.
If you're getting stoned every day or multiple times per day you're probably a degen
but I don't see a problem with smoking some a few times a month or so.
>>73864847
It's the fucking targeted demographic culture, leaf.
I smoke weed everyday. I voted for Trump. I can't stand the cuck that Trudeau is. I hate Shillary. I loath Bernme for being another bolshevik in disguise. I love dogs.
Got any more bullshit comparison strawmans?
>>73863699
>not understanding a joke
Leave it to the gypsies
>>73859567
>>73859980
This
People who don't want to legalize/decriminalize marijuana, whether they realize it or not, don't actually care about the weed itself. They just don't want the retarded 420 stoner culture to spread.
Alcohol is way more 'dangerous' than weed.
>>73860228
This.
Frequent Marijuana use induces paranoid schizophrenia-like states of mind. It causes users to be completely delusional and can trigger psychotic breaks in users with preexisting mental conditions.
It causes depression, anxiety, loss of motivation, restlessness in most users. Legalization sends a message to kids that it's ok to smoke it, and gives kids even more access to it than before. I personally believe it can have devastating effects on developing minds. It totally fucks up young users' ability to concentrate on school (high school and college) and, along with alcohol (which I fucking hate), it's responsible for a large percentage of high school and college failures and drop outs.
Kids who fuck up their education because of pot invariably end up depressed and turn to harder drugs eventually (don't fucking tell me I'm full of shit, I've seen this happen countless times), as well as drug dealing as a means of surviving and providing a source of income.
Pot is definitely the gateway drug. All of my friends who are now dead from opiate /narcotic drug use started off smoking weed. Most pot dealers also push other drugs (pills, coke, etc) at varying points, or are part of a network of drug dealers who deal in narcotics. Long time Pot users are bound to eventually come into contact with narcotics, which straight up do nothing but destroy lives.
Legalization of pot creates in the youth a culture of acceptance or even the embrace of all drugs across the board. It is degeneracy at its most blatant.
So yeah, fuck pot.
>>73862791
they are it just doesn't get reported because it doesn't fit the media's narrative
>>73864594
Leaf, are you watching the Sandy Hook case closed.
>>73865818
it is a well-known fact that people with preexisting mental conditions should not be consuming ANY kind of psychoactive drug because they run a risk.
There's so much generalisation and retardation in this post that I'm almost crying out of sheer frustration. Please, for god's sake don't ever have kids and pollute the gene pool with your stupidity. I don't even know where to start.
>>73865818
Shut up, faggot. Go to your 6th period Biology Class, you edgy 8th grader.
>>73861031
it will become permanently ingrained in our childrens' minds that it's "okay" to smoke weed.
Your dad fucked his sister, didn't he?
>>73864361
>Indica dominants induce couchlock and are pretty much a direct cause of the lazy stoner stereotype. Sativa dominants are much more cerebral and help with creativity, focus, and mood, while being uplifting. Most people don't like to think, unfortunately. Ergo, why they prefer indica over sativa
There is also the fact that pure Indica grows roughly the size of a person, meaning it's a BITCH to grow indoors.
Only Sativa I've had was grown either outdoors or imported from legal places.
>>73863728
Gotta count your blessings.
>>73864221
This.
>EU
Did we ever find out what causes this? Is it just guys posting from some datacentre?
Weed does not cause degeneracy. It can, however, facilitate it.
>>73866147
>Your dad fucked his sister, didn't he?
And anon's sister after that, I'm fairly certain.
Yes it is degenerate. This should be abundantly obvious.
As a rule of thumb, one should always consider the following: "What would Hitler do?"
No, the government should stop the war on drugs.
>>73866823
Hitler would party hard.
>>73866873
True story.
>>73866873
I don't think so.
He wouldn't touch the stuff.
>>73866955
http://www.historyextra.com/feature/second-world-war/when-hitler-took-cocaine
>that title though
>>73866271
>There is also the fact that pure Indica grows roughly the size of a person, meaning it's a BITCH to grow indoors.
I know you meant Sativa, not Indica. That's true. I overlooked that fact when I was posting. Perhaps, the Indica focus has more to do with prohibition than I first realized. Thanks for the reminder, Austrianon.
>hurr people who smoke weed are degenerate, therefore weed is degenerate
You know what, I'm so sick and fucking tired of these threads. They must be bait at this point... fuck.
>>73867246
Yeah, been awake since three in the morning.
> I overlooked that fact when I was posting. Perhaps, the Indica focus has more to do with prohibition than I first realized
Also the fact that anxiolytic terpenes and THCV have been pretty much bred outta most strains so when you panic you panic HARD.
>Thanks for the reminder, Austrianon.
You're welcome. Once it's legal here I want to start cultivating my own strain from Nepalese and Thai genetics.
If what I've experienced with these sorts of Sativas is true the result should end up being the ideal complement for coding, writing or other work where ordering information into new patterns is important.
>>73867394
Plus the opposite end where people just post shit about how great it is. We really need a weed board cause this shit is getting ridiculous.
>>73867593
>We really need a weed board cause this shit is getting ridiculous.
Well, /tg/ got a board for stories so it could happen.
>>73867394
>You know what, I'm so sick and fucking tired of these threads. They must be bait at this point... fuck.
It feels like pople are just kind of reaching for new things to be offended by.
>>73867673
it is literally everyday, that we have DUDE WEED and "DUDE WEED" threads. Can we please get a weed board so we can get back to stopping the Jews plans.
>>73867823
>Can we please get a weed board so we can get back to stopping the Jews plans.
That's such a funny sentence to me. Maybe because I remember Chanology and to a degree GG and how they were mostly just buzz with some interesting things here and there.
>it is literally everyday, that we have DUDE WEED and "DUDE WEED" threads.
Yeah. Then again, we have tons of >Latinos>white and RANDOM QUIBBLES WITH YOUTUBE CHANNEL X threads constantly too, so... iunno.
Not sure I had a point.
>>73868099
Well those Mexican threads are maybe once or thrice a week and random quibbles with youtube channels at least are different channels each time.
I smoke weed every day. I just finished putting weed into my grinder before seeing this post. It's 4am eastern time. I'm about to record a podcast like I do every week around this time. I have a part time job, I have a degree, I just got offered another summer job in my area of study.
I say that people can be degenerate, it's not pots fault. People can abuse anything. It only becomes a problem when you do nothing else but smoke.
It shouldn't be banned, banning it is dumb and creates all sorts of crime and clogs up the justice system.
>>73858346
> is X degenerate?
> is Y /pol/ approved?
> redpill me on Z
faggots like you need to look within yourselves and stop seeking validation from others.
that kind of weakness and dependency is what is really degenerate.
The Ubermensch doesnt require the validation of Kludges.
>>73858346
It shouldn't be legalized, I know this much. Decriminalized, sure.
It smells gross and makes none smokers uncomfortable.
Get caught smoking it? No problem, on public property? Put it out. On private property? Get asked to leave. If either of those become and issue, police can be involved to confiscate the dope and that would be the end of that. No need for a fine but chances are that would happen much like drinking in public.
>>73860959
dumbass.
most pharmaceuticals are synthesized from Petrochemicals
thats where the real money in Oil lives, Industrial Feedstocks.
gasoline, jet fuel, heating oil etc are a waste byproduct and your car is a mobile waste disposal system for the less valuable junk that is too light to turn into plastics or Petrochemicals
asphalt is also a waste byproduct, made of the heavier shit that is left over.
the $$$ in a barrel of oil comes from the middle weight stuff.
but youre retarded, so whatever.
I am ADHD and I have been self medicating since my teenage years. I only take a few hits a day and that seems to bring my racing minds down to everyone else's level. Tried the whole doctor prescribing me different dosages for years and all it did was make me feel like an empty vessel while on the drugs. I only believe weed is a gateway drug for retarded people, which most people are so who fucking cares. There are already things that are being shoved down peoples throats that are terrible, weed should be at the bottom of the list honestly.
TLDR: OP is a faggot.
>>73862099
i dont care what you tolerate or not.
i grow my own shit, and you cant stop me
the cops cant stop me
the feds cant stop me
im a pot supervillain.
I Am The HempKnight.
To The Bluntcave!!
>>73862367
> defeat bears with pepper spray and a bb gun
> canadian logic
none of my guns have ever gone on a mass shooting, except for one, and that was legally sanctioned Kraut-shooting in ww2.
smoke weed everyday. ROlling up another J just because of this post.
Yo OP. On pol everyone will tell you how degenerate weed is. Dont listen to pol on this issue. I smoke weed on a daily basis and I have a decent job and a qt gf and a good social life. Its all about you. If you become a lazy degenerate idiot its your fault.
>>73858346
i end a hard days work with a beer and bowl of weed. i pay my taxes, i'm a homeowner, i'm voting for TRUMP. fuck off!
>>73860801
Great response Stan.
>Associate a good idea with shitty people
>Convince people to go against it
Gee, I wonder who's been doing this. /pol/, hopefully this is one last conditioning you have to get over before you reach your next stage in life. Right now it's the notion that a group of shitty people decide the rights of the rest of us. Don't vote based on how niggers react or how degenerates react. Vote based on your actual feelings on the law.
>>73869606
>Vote based on your actual feelings on the law.
THOUGHTS not feelings. Fuck that was a close one, I don't want to accidentally promote FEEEEEELS
No, it should be a controlled substance sold by the state and properly taxed. Or atleast it should be produced and exported to other countries. And this is coming from someone who is extremely anti-drug.
/thread.
>>73863535
Weren't the Egyptians smoking weed?
I live on a fucking island and our drugs laws more relaxed than USA's, and we don't get the school shootings and niggers.
>>73859892
Actually weed makes people more cautious when driving if anything, I know a guy who often drives while high and he is cautious as fuck when behind the wheel
>>73869793
>Weren't the Egyptians smoking weed?
Egyptians, Chinese, Aryans, Greek, Phoenicians, Babylonians, MANY germanic and Norse tribes etc etc etc.
Its role has always been integral to cultures around the world.
As a citizen in the republic of texas, where we will NEVER legalize any illicit drug, nor decriminilize any drugs is because of the impact that it has on over a dozen different industries, ALL OF WHICH ARE MAJOR PLAYERS IN POLITICS.
When you hear our represenatives ask what economic impact marijuana decriminilazation has on private prisons, and medical marijuana would affect the pharmaceutical (opiate) industry, you see what the botttom line is.
- If you want to end the war on drugs, research what impact legalization has had on cartels. Cartels are now manufacturing generic pain medicine for americans, and dosing RC's in meth/coke supplies to remain as profitable as they used to be.
It really is sad man, drugs are fun recreationally, but destroy fucking lives. Some people will never be comfortable in their own skin/mind and there will always be a demand for it, thus always an eager capitilist to ride it out, unless it impacts billion dollar industries.
>>73866085
Keep smoking your weed you fucking degenerate loser.
>>73865974
Tell me where I am wrong. Please enlighten me with your supreme wisdom and tell me where, exactly, I am in error in my statement. We all know my post made you **uncomfortable** (in much the same way anyone espousing the dangers of CP will make a pedo squirm and twitch in rage), because you are obviously a degenerate pothead....but that's to be expected. I want to know what I wrote that is not true.
>>73870109
This is such a bunch of bullshit. Pure fiction propogated as fact by potheads. Ancient people used fucking HEMP, which is a completely different strain of the plant than the one people smoke today. Hemp was not smokable. It was used for its oil and the strength of its fibers in rope-making.
>>73872099
>This is such a bunch of bullshit. Pure fiction propogated as fact by potheads
>>73872099
There are several reports of Phoenecians hotboxing their tents with cannabis roasted over hot stones, and Chinese recipes mention a ton of Marijuana ingredients.
It's fine though, feel free to not believe me.
>>73858346
>are drugs degenerate?
What question is that even. You're supposed to work and make your life that perfect and desirable that you don't need drugs to be happy. It's kinda like a sign saying 'well I'm not able to makje myself a happy person so I'll have to let this drug do it.'
>antiweed fags
>anything but childless single men who masturbate to anime
>>73865818
>Legalization sends a message to kids that it's ok to smoke it
Right, its wrong to not put people in jail for something because it gives kids the idea that they should do it even though its legal, but its totally fine being bombarded by alcohol advertisements all day
Kill yourself you dumbass autistic little faggot
>>73865818
>Kids who fuck up their education
>2016
>being "educated" by public schools requires effort
>Pot is definitely the gateway drug.
Right, im sure they didnt start with alcohol too, you dumbass
>>73871911
I'm probably wasting my time, but fine then.
first of all, there is no modern and widely accepted scientific proof that weed causes schizophrenia-like states by itself - it can only trigger or worsen it if you were meant to get it in the first place or already have it.
second of all, where is your citation that "most weed users experience depression, anxiety, loss of motivation etc." ? Maybe people with depression or anxiety are just more likely to turn to weed? Maybe the loss of motivation happens when lazy unmotivated people start smoking and then the weed just gives them an excuse to not do anything with their life, and other drugs would have done the same? Just because the stoners you know are stoners with no direction in life it doesn't mean that you can say "most people" experience these things. Get some fucking perspective and use your brain - who knows, smoking a joint would maybe even enable you to for once because it gets your thoughts racing?
Third - I fully agree that teenagers and kids should not be smoking heavily, as there is evidence that weed hurts their brain development, and they are not yet mature enough to have the proper self-control with weed. But again, who says that it's weed that caused them to drop out, and not just because they were irresponsible individuals who happened to start smoking weed, and the weed just gave them an excuse to not do anything about their situation? Correlation does not equal causation, and I know plenty of succesful people who smoke. I smoke every day myself and I have no trouble taking care of my responsibilities and I have ambitions that I strive to achieve.
Fourth..There's no modern and not-debunked evidence that shows pot is a gateway drug in the chemical sense. What happens is that BECAUSE weed is still illegal, people are forced to buy from shady dealers who also sell other drugs, and they get tempted. If weed became legal and was sold in stores, then this "gateway effect" dies.
>>73859980
>John the 18 YEAR OLD stoner
21 for alcohol. So no, it can't.
>>73873548
>>73865818
Fifth......why is it a bad thing that pot legalization creates a culture of weed acceptance? That is the whole meaning behind it. Alcohol is widely accepted and thus it's possible to educate freely about it (though teenagers are stupid and often ignore the advice they get), and the same can be done with weed if it's legalized. The legalization should of course come with an age limit, I would say around 20 or 21 years old to buy it.
So yeah, fuck you and your statist bootlicker views. Just because you want a nanny police state to decide what individuals can do with their own bodies it doesn't mean that the rest of us are equally dumb.
>>73873797
what stops the government from putting an equal age restriction on weed if it's legalized?
>>73863535
imagine how high you'd feel after smoking for centuries.
>>73873797
Obviously weed would be 21 also if it were legalized, just like alcohol
>>73874941
>imagine how high you'd feel after smoking for centuries.
>Hitler was an ancient Aryan wizard who found perfect enlightenment after blazing it long enough
>>73867588
>Nepalese and Thai genetics
>should end up being the ideal complement for coding, writing or other work where ordering information into new patterns is important
It should. It really should. Never had a Nepalese landrace before, but for some reason my intuition is yelling at me that it should be like ATF(alaskan thunder fuck) x Choc Thai. Sounds perfect for daytime focus smoking. Godspeed, with the legalization and cultivation efforts, Austrianon.
On the subject of THCV, you'll be happy to know that with the advent of state legalization, but mostly because of the medical market, it's been making a comeback in certain strains.
personal liberty and illegal weed cannot coexist
>>73877036
>On the subject of THCV, you'll be happy to know that with the advent of state legalization, but mostly because of the medical market, it's been making a comeback in certain strains.
Yeah, but right now most of it seems to be from heirlooms and, you guessed it, Thai.
>Doug's Varin is TOTALLY REAL GUISE
No.
Or if it is it's some bored geniuses pet GMO project he killed after realizing it might end up going bad.
>but for some reason my intuition is yelling at me that it should be like ATF(alaskan thunder fuck) x Choc Thai.
Tell me more.
>Sounds perfect for daytime focus smoking.
Which we really don't have enough of. Hell, with the right terpene/cannabinoid combo it might end up landing us in a place where stims stop being first choice.
>Godspeed, with the legalization and cultivation efforts, Austrianon.
Thanks bro. Unfortunately our legalization-affine parties are mostly total cucks in other respects so it'll be a long fucking road unless we manage to get the conservative ones to adopt it BEFORE they get (fairly inevitably, people here are FUCKING. PISSED) voted into power.
