> no sane person would ever follow a Jewish Socialist
>>73849397
jesus was about charity forced charity is totally different
>>73849397
Pic unrelated
>>73849463
Riiiight...
> Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God
christians dont even follow jesus
As
Christ was an ascetic, not a socialist.
be on the lookout for New Zealand shills they've been all over the place the past few hours
>>73849463
lmao no
Communism is the prophecy of the kingdom of God coming true.
Jesus was a degenerate cuck and his father was a rapist.
>>73849689
Yep. Now show me his tax plan. Socialism is an economic system not an ascetic moral paradigm.
>>73849463
This.
Charity is great, as is pacifism and free love.
Redistribution is cancer.
>>73849743
Very true
>>73849689
That's not talking about the wealth of the person it's their willingness to part with their belongings should they be asked. "And the man shook his head and left, for he had many things" literally in the same passage you misquoted
>>73849689
>Rich guy shows up to a preaching sesh
>Says he loves Jesus and asks how to become a disciple
>Jesus says that none of his disciples own anything so the rich guy would have to sell/give his shit away and carry nothing but the clothes on his back
>Rich guy decides he wasn't cut out for that kind of life
>Donates a couple bucks and leaves sadly
>Jesus, wanting to explain to his disciples why the man had difficulty says
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God
>which explains that people with material possessions often create idols out of them by loving those things more than God
>>73849889
Who needs a Tax Plan when there is a Revolution to win, comrade!
> He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.
> Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn ‘A man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law
>>73849872
Quality stuff, cant wait for the religious shills to perform their mental gymnastics in order to explain this.
>>73849872
ayy who gives a shit. living in western degeneracy, people are beyond saving anyway.
>>73849397
>2 Thessalonians 3:10
31 When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory.
32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,
36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?
38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?
39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’
41 Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,
43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
Jesus confirmed comrade.
>>73850033
LOL you just proved his point. Under this thought process rich people are inherently as they value hoarding massive amounts of wealth over following god.
>>73850033
haha, please, keep trying, Imperialist Running Dog!
> And if any man will sue thee, and take away thy cloak, let him have thy coat also. And whosoever shall compell thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away
>>73849397
So many things wrong with this, OP.
1. Jesus was not Jewish, He was Christian.
Sure, Christianity didn't exist in His time, but why did God send Him to earth anyway? To deliver the New Testament and make Judaism obsolete. He was Christian in every sense of the Word.
2. Jesus was not a socialist.
The United States of America was founded on conservative ideals. The most prominent ideal of conservatism is that communism is evil. Jesus Himself believed in man's right to free speech, right to bear arms, ownership of property, and Freedom from government. That's why these are referred to as "God-given rights."
2b. Satan is a socialist
In the Garden of Eden, God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit off of his tree because it didn't belong to them. Satan convinced Eve that it was unfair God could eat that fruit, but not her. This led to the creation of sin.
RENDER
>>73850469
"forgive our debts, as we forgive our debtors" -- clearly he would favor bailing out poor people with subprime mortgages, you Capitalist Swine!
>>73849689
>Render unto Caesar
>>73850127
Mark 12:17
Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." And they were amazed at him.
Cuckthans 2:28
>and so the lord said, force thine people to sacrifice half their earnings, for Tyronevius must afford a new pair of Jordanians
There is no reason not to be a communist if you're Christian.
The bourgeoisie are going to hell anyway for their greed and ruthless exploitation of the working class.
For your fight in making sure that no man will ever be hungry, or cold, or scared ever again you are sure to gain eternal life in Heaven.
This must be the reason Castro has lived for so long contrary to all the American plots against him- God is on his side.
>>73850872
They didn't even have money back then. They traded in goods. Obviously He wasn't referring to monetary debts, He was talking about metaphorical debts. Mainly concerning forgiving people for committing crimes.
>>73851138
>They didn't have money back then
wut
Jesus explicitly references Roman money throughout the gospels. Not to mention the numerous references to "Money lenders".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_currency
>>73851241
They had a different definition of money in His time. Again, they used material goods as currency, like dyes and herbs. What the Romans did is irrelevant, they came about long after The Son of God.
>>73851363
They did barter, but they also minted currency to be used as we use it now.
Additionally
>What the Romans did is irrelevant, they came about long after The Son of God.
Americans - not reading the bible but claiming to know all about it since 1776
>>73850305
>>73850359
>>73850451
>>73850033
>>73850469
>Jesus was a capitalist
>Jesus charged money for people to hear his sermons, his time was valuable
>Jesus copyrighted the gospels, the bible aint free you freeloading commie
>Jesus charged for healing
>the lords house is private property, stop panhandling your way in
>you gotta pay Jesus to save your from your capitalist greed sins
>>73851491
You're clearly ignorant. Of course Jesus was alive in the time of the Romans. I said The Son of God. The Son of God, The Spirit of Christ, has existed in the form of God's Love for us since the First Day. My friend, please find Christ in your heart. I greatly wish to see you in Heaven.
>>73851558
>>73851094
Christianity is communism.
Jesus constantly declared that those that are oppressed, those that cry, those that are submissive and weak, are those that will receive the New Kingdom
being oppressed and living under a totalitarian regime would be a perfect situation for a christian, as that will ensure he is good to the eyes of Jesus
He asked his followers to reject the world, and to surrender all his material belongings
The "Good News" that Jesus talked about, the "Revelation" that he brought about, what was if you behaved exactly the opposite of roman pagans, if you betrayed those that you should have loyalty to, and love those that persecuted you, if you looked for death and reject life, if you sold everything away instead of saving treasures, then you will be rewarded with eternal life
he even points out that it is useless to follow him if you wanna live by the normal, non-inverted rules of the romans
See:
> I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; For if you love those who love you, what should you be rewarded for? If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Pagans do the same?
The inversion of all values, doing the opposite to what would ensure your survival in the world ( which Jesus considers evil), so that you can prove your illumination and be rewarded for doing the opposite of indicated by the laws of nature by being granted eternal life: that is the very core of Christianity
Why are you guys so anti-semantic?
Communisim/socialism is a good idea in a perfect world that Jesus would want to create where everyone would share and be loving to their neighbor. That's something that the world should strive to be. Although it never will obvioulsy, Jesus was a man we should all strive to be, although we never will. In these cases man takes it into his own hands to make a system that works to the reality of the situation because he realizes it's NOT a perfect world. So of course Jesus would LIKE us to share everything and give everything we have to the poorer and less fortunate, but we know that it doesn't work that way instead we do what we have now. How hard is that for you folks to understand?
>>73849397
The joke is on you...I am a pagan.
HAIL ODIN!
>>73850469
jesus was jewish ethnicity
christian religiously
>Jesus was not a socialist.
holyshit please
yeah REPUBLICAN babby jesus maybe
>>73850469
>God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit off of his tree because it didn't belong to them.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>73857099
He wasn't a Socialist period. Socialism is State ownership of the means of production. Where did you read about that in the bible?
>>73857470
>subjective thing is objective thing
yeah ok
>sell all you have and give it to the poor
>not a socialist
*smirk*
"For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either."
"But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house,he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."
Socialist as hell...
>>73849463
Give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach a man to fish, he'll be fed for a lifetime. Get over it commies. He wasn't with you.
>>73849463
many churches believe if you don't give 10% of your income to "Jesus" you will literally burn in fire for eternity because you aren't a true Christian
>>73857863
Socialism isn't a subjective thing, it's a political philosophy. It has nothing to do with charity or asceticism.
Why do you feel the need to lie to advance your disgusting ideology?
>>73849397
The you'd better reconcile yourself to a world of 2.4 billion insane Christians, mate.
And don't take too long about it, we have some crazy praying to do.
>>73849889
Would you care to explain the differences?
>>73849933
Charity entails redistribution.
>>73849872
Yes, it is. No doubt you will have trouble accepting the truth of this.
>>73859370
Christianity: I can see that person is hungry and I have more than enough. I know this because I know my own wealth and situation best. I should give a portion which I can afford to assist them
Socialism: That person over there I don't know personally, but they appear to have enough money. They should give it away.
>>73850127
Explanation not needed. It is the truth. We have never seen communism implemented, only distortions of it, the same way we have never seen a true capitalist regime, only a distortion of it.
>>73859410
*voluntary redistribution
There's a reason there are tax incentives for charity, our government is perfectly okay if you want to choose how your tax/welfare/charity is spent.
Personally, I plan to donate 0.5% of my wage go charity just to ensure none of it goes overseas as "aid." I'd fund aboriginal schools, I'd fund child homelessness prevention, I'd fund local cancer research, but my buck isn't going to help a Kenyan abandon their homeland and look for an easy way out drinking our tax dollars.
>>73859562
distortions that work
>>73851363
Uh, the purpose of the money-changers outside the temple was so Jews could get the only acceptable currency to use for donations. (I don't even know if that was coins of Judea or some temple-only coinage.)
>>73859621
So you don't currently earn anything? OK.
But you know that is not how our aid money is used; shipping Kenyans out of Kenya is the last thing our gov't would do.
>>73849397
The parable of the three servants teaches us that it is wicked and lazy to not invest you gifts or wealth to increase it, and at the very least some interest can be gotten on our wealth which is good. Jesus cursed the fig tree because it beared no fruit meaning it beared nothing of worth. If you rely on the state to provide for you and not God, and produce nothing of worth you are worth nothing to God. You have no faith in him, you have faith in only in the state and produce nothing of value. Jesus would rightly condemn any socialist to hell forever
>>73851363
There's a story where Jesus talks about literally rendering a coin to caesar
>>73859658
Well not in the example of USA, or Australia they don't otherwise we wouldn't need EPA or anti-dumping laws, or insider trading laws, or tax haven remedies,...
>>73859562
>never seen communism implemented
Britain and once most of Europe lived under the "Commons", which ended after the Kings took over Common lands and privatized
Ancient Harappan Civilization was egalitarian and communistic, that was 5000 years ago
you are a collection of a communistic collective of communal cells. these cells do not operate for profit or personal gain - no, that would be cancer, if they do so.
normal cells operate for the greater good and share everything.
you are a communist system in denial.
>>73859499
Those definitions may not agree with what Jesus would have of us. Not even the Christianity one.
>>73849397
"By your ACTIONS you shall be judged."
Not social status.
Not economic status.
Not racial identity.
Not gender identity.
Not furry identity.
BY
>BY
YOUR
>YOUR
ACTIONS
>ACTIONS
>>73859901
Socialism is faith in the material, and state controlled means of production. Christianity is faith in God and the ability of him to nourish your soul forever. Any faith in the material and denial of one's own ability to serve God is completely opposed to the teachings of christ.
>>73859901
how about the parable of the prodigal son? Doesnt that teach that you can slack around your whole life, whoring and drinking, and you will be forgiven? How fucking socialist can you get? The Capitalist son, who worked hard, and didn't gamble and whore his inheritance away seemed pretty pissed about it.
>>73859901
Oh boy look at this Christcuck speaking literally about a book full of metaphors.
Look at him sit there and literally invent fantasy bullshit nowhere supported by historical anything.
>>73849397
>Straight white teeth in the 0st century
>>73860062
acquiring profit/power is greed
greed is a sin
>>73860276
I quoted parables and teachings dipshit, nothing literal about that
>>73849689
>> Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God
is this the only scripture /pol/ knows? wtf
>>73859949
They're the distortions. And considering it's the richest place on Earth in the history of Earth, it's working better than implementations of anything else
>>73860178
No, that one's obviously about how kids can fuck up and they can mature and still make a comeback.
>>73860178
Forgiveness for valuing the material is not the same as state runs of the means of production. The father was happy his son returned and celebrated it, that does not include condoning all of the sons acts
>>73860547
so saying sorry is making a comeback? millenial pls
>>73860635
He literally returns to his father's home, a literal comeback. You are clearly just fucking around at this point
>Lest we forget the morbid sense of humor one has to have to convince a bunch of goat herders in the desert to take a dull knife to their cock.
>>73860320
>acquiring profit/power is greed
>>73860635
He totally and sincerely repudiates his mistake and offers to be less than a servant so he can eat garbage, so, yeah.
But he's not a socialist. Socialism relies on a state at the head of government. He was a theocrat. No state or man is above God and God dictates what is right and wrong.
>>73849397
> NOT A FUCKING SOCIALIST
> IS NOT AN ATHEIST
> DOES NOT UNDERMINE CHRISTIANITY
> DOES NOT CALL FOR REPARATIONS
I'm surprised this hadn't been posted yet.
>>73849872
What about the society created by the Antichrist in Revelation?
>>73849397
the nature of economic relations in biblical times is such that modern concepts such as socialism can't be intelligibly applied to it.
>>73859832
It's cute how you think my poverty means I'm not entitled to an opinion.
You should really read up on UN humanitarian refugees, how they're chosen and what kind of privileges they have in our society. Put it this way, free education means they're virtually given 32k from the government. Considering these aren't Australian citizens, how can you believe that's fair? Again, I'd sooner want that money to go to aboriginal education.
>>73854668
Hail Tyr, Idun, and Freya!
>>73849397
>>73862198
economics is a social science, not a physical science
human economics is a social creation
humans are a physical creation
humans have not changed
>>73849397
No man who follows the footsteps of his God would even wage war and claim anything on this Earth.
This is not HEAVEN, the devil reigns until Revelations plays out, according to JEWISH religious literature.
>>73854668
>Following a literal faggot who became a woman, but every time though, to fug monsters
Some god he is.
>>73862520
>human economics is a social creation
And social relations change and evolve. And the development of economics is linked strongly to developments in technology.
>>73849463
I wont make you do anything; but you're burning in hell for eternity if you don't give your money to charity.
>>73859118
Tell me from what part of the bible that parable comes from
>>73862699
and humans still have not evolved from primitive greed-based society/economics
>>73862806
'greed based' economics are merely a result of scarcity still existing
>>73863015
scarcity created by disproportionate allocation of resources/power to to the greedy
There's a difference between Jesus and Socialists.
Jesus tells you to help the poor. If you don't, you're going to be judged after death.
Socialists tell you that it's your obligation to help the poor. You don't get a choice. Give me your money or die.
The difference between these two is that Jesus didn't have power to enforce what he wants. He had to mindfuck people into doing what he wants by threatening them with eternal damnation. Socialists on the other hand go straight for power to get what they want. They have to enforce what they want using a gun.
I can bet my wive's son's life on that Jesus would have been a much more like Socialists if he simply owned a gun or an army.
>>73863103
any system of resource allocation will disproportionately favour one category of people, especially on the global scale.
And a category of 'greedy' people is a dubious concept as 'greed' is a highly subjective notion.
Talking about Jesus, can any of you faggots link me to a documentary about Jesus that isn't biased?
I've looked an I see are biased documentaries that don't really go into detail about his life, facts or politics at the time. They're more like attempts to prove that Jesus wasn't real or that he was real.
Jesus was a Jewish radical. The only socialism he was interested in was among his fellow Jews, particularly the ones he could round up and threaten the occupying Romans with.
That he was a pacifist is Jewish taqiyya. Jews and Muslims lie about how lovely and unthreatening their violent heroes are to Whites and always have. Some dumb goys believe it and always have.
>>73863247
property ownership is a social construct not a physical one
private ownership is a fallacy that permits disproportionate power misallocation
can one person physically use an entire lake?
can one person drink an entire lake?
can one person eat all the fish of the baikal?
can one person physically use an entire oil pit?
but one person can use mental fallacies to claim ownership of resources that are physically not theirs.
thus enslaving others into supporting his power over others
God doesn't want to force you to be a good person because the whole point of deeds is to see if you choose to be a good or evil.
>>73849885
>my soul magnifies the glory of the lord let it me done according to thy will
Mary could have just said no like so many feminists who claimed they were raped
>>73863166
of course he talked that way when he wasn't in power, they all do. Once they get in though....
>>73863365
I know this one book, it's lenghty but goes into detail about his life, it's called bible
>>73864360
I said unbiased.
You might as well tell me to read Koran to get an unbiased look at the life of Muhammed. Wow, I guess Muhammad didn't rape the 6 year old until she was 9, wow, what a relief. Book said so. Guess he also flew around on a magical beast like Gutts in Berserk. Wow, what a badass.
I want something that treats Jesus no differently than any other historical figure. Just list the facts, tell me what happened. I don't want something that is pro or against Jesus.
>>73859562
>>73860041
besides that
in nature you find many other examples of biocommunism such as bees, ants ...
>>73864895
Guts flys on a magical monster?
Fuck you I just started that series.
>>73863015
Communism was compatible with Christian religion: fasting is ok, abundance is evil.
