Is libertarianism flawed in any way. How come something retarded like socialism is more mainstream than this.
>>73836072
It's flawed because it's just a meme
only bad part about libertarianism is open borders
>>73836072
It goes too far in the other direction.
>>73836072
In practice, Libertarianism just enables Socialism.
>>73836238
Yep.
Extreme individualism is same shit as extreme collectivism. Utopian idiocy.
>>73836303
In practice how? A free market is a cornerstone of libertarian ideology which is basically the anthithesis of socialism.
>>73836072
>libertarianism benefits those who produce value
>socialism benefits those who consume value
>there are more people that consume than produce
>>73836072
The flaw is that most people crave leadership and management.
The government is their parents when they leave home. People need to put faith in something and in the absence of religion, the state becomes their god. They worship it with 'hope and change' mentality.
Libertarianism is for adults. Independent thinkers who want to live independent lives.
>>73836468
Nothing in place to prevent retards from doing something stupid, like turning communist.
>>73836717
>>socialism benefits those who consume value
Only in the short term. In the long term, the fact that the producers get fucked over fucks over the consumers.
>>73836223
Only a problem with a welfare state and restrictions on freedom of association and firearms.
Also, immigration restriction for national security purposes is just fine.
>>73836223
Open border is meaningless if there are no gun laws and no welfare.
>>73836771
You forgot to talk about the feeling of Euphoria inherent to all Libertarians. Grow the fuck up, people are social animals, being autistic is not a sign of maturity.
>>73836072
It just doesn't seem to succeed in a libertarian market
libertarianism is republicanism dumbed down so somebody on their 10th tallboy can kind of wrap their mind around it.
>>73837048
This.
Also open borders and free trade are both retarded.
>>73836072
It ignores nature and the predicaments it puts humans into and molds humans in nature and nurture ways.
>>73836223
You don't need to believe in open borders to be a libertarian.
I say if they ain't American, fuck 'em.
>>73836072
It's overly utopian.
Libertarians expect people to act intelligently, when in reality, niggers, white trash, morons, ect exist.
>>73836717
>>73836771
Good points. But unlike socialist adoctrination, libertarianism doesnt go against human nature so it could still in theory work with a proper change of ethos.
>you have the tools to be productive if you fail fuck off somewhere
Imagine that being the first thing you hear in kindergarten.
>>73836927
>Only in the short term.
The average current year socialist voter has an attention span of a few months and an historical perspective of 70 years (the world was created in the lolocaust, but he will insist on calling you historically illiterate). Have you seen their time preference?
>>73837119
lol this
>>73836927
Retards turning communist can't hurt anybody else if their stupid communist ideology has no political/legal power.
Libertarians have Constitutions too...
>>73837323
The issue is the devotion to an ideology rather than sitting down and figuring out what works best. Libertarians and Socialists are both guilty of it.
>>73837469
That could be said to literally any ideology at any given time in history by any side. The difference is that libertarianism is the only one who doesn't force anybody of anything, which is the whole point.
>>73837390
The larger the group gets, the less retarded it needs someone to be to convince them to join. It starts with retards, it grows to normies. This is basically what we're seeing now.
>>73836072
>muh open borders
Fuck off.
>>73837581
You're literally proving my point. You're begging with an ideology rather than looking for what works. Also, libertarian societies would still have police, so they are still using force.
>>73837784
You obviously understand what you are talking about.
>>73836072
It goes against Christianity. Individualism is a sign of the anti-Christ.
Romans 13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.
>>73837848
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0984203729
>>73837469
>having conviction is bad : the post
Following this, no theory of action should be taken seriously. Including pragmatism which is some grade A meme ideology (it just works!). This kind of anti-theory has been purged long ago in most matters. Besides, you are always acting based on your theories.
> figuring out what works best
Working best is literally nonsensical here. People have visions and act on it. Pretending that people have the same interests and denying the conflict nature of every two people isn't going to lead anywhere.
>>73837834
Nice argument.
>>73838094
You're right, I can't argue against lack of understanding.
>>73836072
Libertarianism is just anarchy by another name. If you ask them, half of them say there shouldn't be police, half think there should be. Half think we still need a centralized monetary policy, half don't. The only unifying cry among them is "less government" aka anarchy.
>>73838077
It isn't the conviction, it's the approach. Libertarians argue for libertarianism even when you can demonstrate an issue with libertarianism as it would be applied to the situation being discussed. Socialists do the same, but with socialism. You don't care about success, you care about advancing the ideology.
>>73838155
So explain what I'm not understanding.
it depends on rational people making intelligent decisions
>>73837985
>anarcho teachings of yeshua
absolute garbage
Mt 17:24 When Jesus and the others arrived in Capernaum, the collectors for the temple tax came to Peter and asked, “Does your teacher pay the temple tax?”
25 “Yes, he does,” Peter answered.
After they had returned home, Jesus went up to Peter and asked him, “Simon, what do you think? Do the kings of this earth collect taxes and fees from their own people or from foreigners?”
26 Peter answered, “From foreigners.”
Jesus replied, “Then their own people don’t have to pay. 27 But we don’t want to cause trouble. So go cast a line into the lake and pull out the first fish you hook. Open its mouth, and you will find a coin. Use it to pay your taxes and mine.”
Mark 12:17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.
>>73836072
You trade government oppression for corporate oppression. Libertarian fucktards never had to live in a time with monopolies or total lack of environmental protection.
>tfw it won't be long before we walk this soil and prove to everyone that freedom is an inherent part of their existence yet again.
>Libertarians argue for libertarianism even when you can demonstrate an issue with libertarianism as it would be applied to the situation being discussed.
For you.
Perhaps you should consider that people don't have the same visions as you. There is no demonstrating an issue with libertarianism.
Neither with socialism btw. When, say, Böhm Bawerk wrote the system of Marx, or when Mises wrote Economic calculation in the socialist commonwealth, they never said to go against socialism because "it doesn't work guys".
>tfw the greatest American heroes inspire fear into the populace instead of self-determination
>>73838269
>half of them think there should be police
those arent libertarians, those are trendy retards hopping on a bandwagon
>>73838320
You're using a government police, something which wouldn't even be possible to exist, as an example on how libertarianism would fail. There would be police, but not in anyway it exists today, and probably not in the way you think it would.
>>73838379
I could give you several passages in which individualism and self-ownership/property are talked about, but you seem to have your mind set already.
>>73838454
You can boycott a corporation, as opposed to a government. Monopolies can only be sustained by governments, otherwise it doesn't exist because the free competition doesn't allow it.
>>73836223
Open borders doesn't pose a problem with welfare.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eyJIbSgdSE
>>73836072
because saying you have the freedom to try and do anything you please doesn't have the same appeal as let me take stuff from people that have more than you to give it to you
>tfw a free man is always plagued by the things he freely chooses to do with it.
>>73838269
You're confunsing classical liberalism with anarchocapitalism.
>>73838792
Not in a positive way you can't.
>tfw the government has no interest in solving your problems, because if they weren't the shoulder you pay to cry on about them, they wouldn't have jobs.
>>73838869
>anarchocapitalism
No such thing. Without a unified and enforced currency there cannot be capitalism.
>>73838804
It does when over half the recipients are illegals.
>tfw you are all absolutely free, and it's incredibly easy to lose sight of that when you don't like your options.
>>73838885
Matthew 10:5-8Jesus sent his twelve harvest hands out with this charge:
"Don't begin by traveling to some far-off place to convert unbelievers. And don't try to be dramatic by tackling some public enemy. Go to the lost, confused people right here in the neighborhood. Tell them that the kingdom is here. Bring health to the sick. Raise the dead. Touch the untouchables. Kick out the demons. You have been treated generously, so live generously.
9-10"Don't think you have to put on a fund-raising campaign before you start. You don't need a lot of equipment. You are the equipment, and all you need to keep that going is three meals a day. Travel light.
11"When you enter a town or village, don't insist on staying in a luxury inn. Get a modest place with some modest people, and be content there until you leave.
12-15"When you knock on a door, be courteous in your greeting. If they welcome you, be gentle in your conversation. If they don't welcome you, quietly withdraw. Don't make a scene. Shrug your shoulders and be on your way. You can be sure that on Judgment Day they'll be mighty sorry—but it's no concern of yours now.
16"Stay alert. This is hazardous work I'm assigning you. You're going to be like sheep running through a wolf pack, so don't call attention to yourselves. Be as cunning as a snake, inoffensive as a dove.
17-20"Don't be naive. Some people will impugn your motives, others will smear your reputation—just because you believe in me. Don't be upset when they haul you before the civil authorities. Without knowing it, they've done you—and me—a favor, given you a platform for preaching the kingdom news! And don't worry about what you'll say or how you'll say it. The right words will be there; the Spirit of your Father will supply the words.
>>73838792
>You're using a government police, something which wouldn't even be possible to exist, as an example on how libertarianism would fail. There would be police, but not in anyway it exists today, and probably not in the way you think it would.
It sounds like you're advocating for a privately employed police force. Is that correct?
>>73838885
>>73839033
21-23"When people realize it is the living God you are presenting and not some idol that makes them feel good, they are going to turn on you, even people in your own family. There is a great irony here: proclaiming so much love, experiencing so much hate! But don't quit. Don't cave in. It is all well worth it in the end. It is not success you are after in such times but survival. Be survivors! Before you've run out of options, the Son of Man will have arrived.
24-25"A student doesn't get a better desk than her teacher. A laborer doesn't make more money than his boss. Be content—pleased, even—when you, my students, my harvest hands, get the same treatment I get. If they call me, the Master, 'Dungface,' what can the workers expect?
26-27"Don't be intimidated. Eventually everything is going to be out in the open, and everyone will know how things really are. So don't hesitate to go public now.
28"Don't be bluffed into silence by the threats of bullies. There's nothing they can do to your soul, your core being. Save your fear for God, who holds your entire life—body and soul—in his hands.
>>73838994
Currency competition is a thing. Capitalism doesn't depend on a single currency, otherwise there wouldn't be different currencies already.
>>73838804
>>73839011
meant without* welfare.
watch the video, Milton is dead on.
>>73836072
Libertarianism can't work, because it is based upon weak central authority. However, since it believes in weak government, it will be unable to prevent certain groups of individuals from exploiting and overpowering everyone else and installing itself as a government. A system dedicated to weak government will not be able to defend itself from a powerful government. You would need to create a powerful government dedicated to preventing existence of a powerful government.
>>73838898
That means there's an issue with the government, not that the concept itself is flawed. The Social Contract comes from one of the people who inspired the American Revolution.
>>73836072
Yes.
Niggers.
>>73839094
Capitalism does require a large number of people to agree on one currency. If everyone had their own currency, capitalism would fail.
>>73839037
That is an option, sure, but you're completely missing the point of libertarianism if you think it's about solving problems, and not that the state is not immoral.
>>73839116
I retract my statement then
>>73839174
No, there are literally hundreds of currencies right now in the world which you can exchange freely. Also, see block chain and the thousand different currencies.
>>73836072
Because the soviets played the long game better than we did.
>>73839146
You're literally providing the equivalent rationale that if you could just fix human nature then communism would be a viable economic structure.
If government solved your problems, you wouldn't need them, and what you actually need is for them to get out of the way of you solving your own.
>>73839121
>Libertarianism believes in "weak" government
>"weak" because it doesnt prop up a massive, unsustainable welfare state, therefore it must also not support a strong military, anti-trust legislation, and criminal justice system
Ok.
>>73839174
Currency is just a means of exchange or product you exchange not for consumption.
Bitcoin has not destroyed the planet, and there are ma,y many currencies in the world right now, not even mentioning all the things that the courts don't recognize as money but really are (like jewels).
>>73839503
There are people in certain parts of the world that use cows as a mean to exchange goods.
>>73839033
That's Jesus warning his disciples against the Jews. He warns them "But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues." You're using a strange translation but suffice to say the way you're using it is not traditional.
>>73837848
Religion is just a tool used by the wealthy to keep retards like you in line
>>73839585
>da joos
I really, really, really like this picture :3
>>73839315
New problems arise all the time. The government is supposed to be an organization employed by the people to lead them and effectively pool resources for the common good. When that relationship breaks down, it means that the people need to assert themselves as the employers of the government. The government should exist to serve the people, and when it does, people who serve the government essentially serve themselves.
>>73839583
Currency is a purely legal term anyway, introduced by courts and governments.
People exchange their stuff against other people's stuff. They have (or don't have) confidence in receipts from their customers banks, etc...
>>73839780
Exactly. Block chain, for example, not only works as currency, but it also has practical uses like keys, contracts, and other exchange mechanisms, etc.
Libertarianism is simply the idea that you are free to do what you want as long as what you do doesn't cause an unwanted affect upon another person or their property.
Because all the libertarians are fedora-manchildfags who don't know nothing about the real world.
>>73839776
>When that relationship breaks down, it means that the people need to assert themselves as the employers of the government. The government should exist to serve the people, and when it does, people who serve the government essentially serve themselves.
I didn't mean to imply that there should be no government whatsoever. They ought to be kept at eye level. Neither should the populace desire to outweigh the government, nor vice versa.
>>73839776
>common good
No one will ever agree on what is the common good.
>>73839914
>an unwanted affect
At which point nobody will be able to do anything. I'll give libertarians the benefit of the doubt and assume you just haven't thought this through, but what you're advocating for is similar to the people who want safe spaces to be protected from being offended.
>>73839654
There are several warnings against the Jews in the NT that have been understood as such by Catholics and Orthodox for 2,000 years. Not that you understand the Bible besides trying to use it to justify your stupid anarchist nonsense.
>>73839776
>people who serve the government essentially serve themselves.
Even in this miracle immaculate conception of the government (where really all of them are the fruits of war and spoliation) how long would it take for this bizarre covenant to hold up? A week, one month? People will always have diverging interests, and they won't "serve themselves". Besides the people are not a monolithic block. Our current cucks should tell you how much it is different to live in the part of the population for which the government doesn't serve me.
>>73840075
There are several warnings against the government in the NT that have been understood as such by Catholics and Orthodox for 2,000 years. Not that you understand the Bible besides trying to use it to justify your stupid statist nonsense.
>>73838783
one of the critical needs of the government in libertarianism is enforcing contract
>>73840043
That's why you give people the ability to vote and discuss their beliefs in an open market of free ideas.
>>73840173
People can vote with their money and choose freely from whoever agrees to exchange goods with them.
>>73840062
Nothing of the sort. It is self-policing and in those situations where that isn't an option, then it is acceptable for an impartial third party to mediate.
It is the polar opposite of a "safe space" because you are held directly and immediately accountable for your actions.
>>73840062
> what you're advocating for is similar to the people who want safe spaces to be protected from being offended.
>property is the same thing as SJW safe spaces
Well, I won't argue semantics. My home, my land, my other belongings are my "safe space".
>>73837622
Which is why you have a Constitution that limits their political power.
Like voting restrictions, protections against economic and behavioral regulations.
Protect people by making politicians too weak to fuck with them.
Make your retards and normies unable to pass laws that harm you.
>>73836223
who keeps saying libertarians want open borders ?
>>73836165
fuck off
>>73836771
this
>>73838741
The guy was a crazy luddite.
Seeing burgers defending the state is blowing my mind.
>>73840146
Your individualist values are rooted in the French Revolution which went against tradition, the Church, monarchy. And it led to atheism and communism. It is not Christian.
>>73840252
Police cannot operate on a person by person basis. Neither can military forces.
>>73840285
You're missing the point. People have rights, and protecting those rights is vital, but you don't have the right to not be negatively affected by any action from any other person. It's a completely ridiculous notion.
>>73840317
>as long as what you do doesn't cause an unwanted affect upon ANOTHER PERSON or their property.
>>73836072
http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/jr-nyquist/fantasy-fraud-and-socialism
Ideological subversion, said Bezmenov, "is a slow process.... Marxism-Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least three generations of American students without being challenged or counter-balanced by the basic values of American patriotism." Ignorant and confused on basic issues, public opinion cannot help but choose socialism. "Most of the people who graduated in the 60s," noted Bezmenov, "are now occupying positions of power in the government, civil service, business, mass media, educational system. You are stuck with them. You cannot get rid of them." And now, almost anything becomes possible
Civilizations, noted Le Bon, are created and sustained "by a small intellectual aristocracy, never by crowds. Crowds are only powerful for destruction. Their rule is always tantamount to a barbarian phase." And so it happens that in the shift from aristocratic values to democratic values, from high culture to pop culture, we have made the transition - metaphysically and intellectually - to barbarism. What you see around you today is an advanced technological civilization that has been reduced to a state of inward barbarity, where the barbarian has taken ultimate control. "When a civilization is rotten," wrote Le Bon, "it is always the masses that bring about its downfall. "
The crowd craves fantasy, said Le Bon, and hates reality. "Tell them what they want to hear," said Lenin, who died in 1924 and remains unburied by Russian authorities. As Drakulić said, "...communism persists in the way people behave, in the looks on their faces, in the way they think." And also, in who they refuse to bury.
>>73840659
Are you trying to use the bible against the bible?
>>73840421
So essentially place restrictions on people who disagree with libertarianism. How libertarian.
>>73840677
>I don't know how it would work, that means it will never work
http://www.freenation.org/a/f22l3.html
http://daviddfriedman.com/The_Machinery_of_Freedom_.pdf#page=71
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Machinery_3d_Edition/The%20Hard%20Problem%20II.htm
https://mises.org/library/chaos-theory#page=44
https://youtu.be/zP4f68Va9kA
https://mises.org/library/private-production-defense-0
>>73836072
everything is flawed because humans themselves are flawed.
>>73840771
Or I could hire a firefighting company to do it for me.
>>73840655
The 20th century really did a number on our universities.
>>73840870
It's not that I don't know how it would work, it's that it literally cannot work that way. Police action benefits the community they act in, not just the person who hires them. A military force can defend a town, but they can't effectively defend a sporadic number of houses within the town while not defending the others. Everyone in the community is receiving the service, they would all need to pay for it. Reguardless, we aren't talking about libertarianism anymore, we're now talking about anarcho-capitalism.
>>73841268
If you are going to refuse to read or at least watch the video, I'm going to refuse to keep arguing with you because you obviously don't have any idea how it actually works.
>>73841011
You just have a meme-tier understanding of the history of American social thought. The government was never viewed as some kind of necessary evil. There's a reason that the founding fathers set up a new government. There's a reason why they got rid of the Articles of Confederation in favor of system with a stronger central government. Hell, part of the reason that the electoral college works the way it does is because they didn't trust everyone to vote intelligently.
>>73839024
>You're all absolutely free
>Literally the only difference is the absence of bars
You'll need to try harder than that for people not to take notice of common sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UK0AZkJBmA
Libertarianism doesn't allow for the government to step in when there are conflicts of interest in private companies like with private prisons.
>>73840771
Yeah, because Home Owners Associations with standard rules/insurance requirements are make-believe things.
just like communism it's only good in theory
>>73841784
>LETS PRINT MONEY!!!
>>73840793
Having the power to steal or harm others is hardly libertarian.
Putting into place political checks and balances and procedures to increase the likelihood of more rational laws is not an alien concept to Western civilization.
>>73841995
>>73841353
You're literally not talking about libertarianism anymore.
Lelbertarians are as naive as anarchists. Yeah, heh heh, if a large monopoly thuggishly enforces its will with violence on corporate owned residential land then people will simply vote with their wallet. The market will sort it out! MUH MARKIT
>>73841629
It will not be denied that power is of an encroaching nature and that it ought to be effectually restrained from passing the limits assigned to it. – James Madison, Federalist 48, 1787
I own I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive. – Thomas Jefferson, Letter to James Madison, 1787
An elective despotism was not the government we fought for; but one in which the powers of government should be so divided and balanced among the several bodies of magistracy as that no one could transcend their legal limits without being effectually checked and restrained by the others. – James Madison, Federalist 84, 1788
The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. – James Madison, Federalist 47, 1788
Pretty sure the founders viewed government as a necessary evil. It was the major political discussion of the time.
ociety in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one -Thomas Paine, 'Common Sense'
>>73841784
i still have problems with orthodox keynesianism on the logical level
however, this is a useless critique because orthodox keynesianism is not even in place.
the fact is that the moral hazard of advocating an economic system where government spending is vital is that the government is going to do everything in its power to promote it and will make sure the "keynesians" on their payroll are going to say no matter what that there needs to be more spending
libertarians know exactly what authoritarians see as keynesianism and that's all that matters
The government doesn't collect taxes or spend them. Taxes "destroy" currency and spending "creates" currency because fiat currency is only backed by the government's faith. So taxing money out of the economy is the same as destroying it. (The money, not the economy)
>>73842403
how is that exactly what the state does?
It's only flaw is assuming people are smart and rational and self-responsible.
>>73841988
That's not the point. If you have to make concessions on basic principles to ensure the continued existence of the ideology, you have fucked something up.
>Checks and balances and procudures to increase the likelihood of more rational laws
That won't prevent it. Literally look at what's going on now. We have checks and balances. People are still fucking things up. The issue is the relationship between people and government.
>>73842700
“If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind?”
>>73842444
This does not in any way respond to my point. This is a thread about libertarianism. You are neither arguing for nor against it (unless you count the picture about Minarchism), but rather confronting people arguing against libertarianism and then arguing for anarcho-capitalism.
>>73842989
libertarianism is to anarcho-capitalism as socialism is to communism
libertarians are basically saying "NO! KEEP FUNDING *THESE* PROGRAMS BECAUSE I USE THEM!"
>>73842805
>Listening to a freemason
>Ever
>>73842535
Technically the guy is a Post-Keynesian; its better explained here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgCUzIRadRU
>>73843075
That isn't the fucking point. If the guy wants to make an an-cap thread I will be happy to go there and explain why he's a fucking idiot.
>>73842775
What basic libertarian principles are being compromised by separation of powers and voting requirements?
>>73843233
Enjoy your nanny state, burgerclap.
>>73840447
Memesters. Libertarians have never advocated for open borders.
>>73843340
yes they have
ron paul isn't a real libertarian, he's moderate on a lot of issues
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_perspectives_on_immigration
>>73843274
>Seperation of powers
Nothing
>Voting requirements
What right does the government have to deny a citizen their say in what it does?
Of course, since we've decided to get more specific, how about you respond to the second half of my post, which was specifically focusing on these things you've honed in on.
>>73843312
>If you're not an an-cap you must be a communist
Fuck off.
>>73836072
Yes, their stupid gaudy flag
>>73843594
>>73836072
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glzXtLvloVo
>>73843550
Voting has never been an individual right, it's a process intentionally limited in order to limit the mood swings of the populace. We put plenty of rules on voting, how people can vote, who can vote, how much they can affect. Hell, what is the electoral college if not a voting restriction?
What would be the harm in declaring the age of adulthood to be 25 and thus raising the voting age? Is that a violation of some fundamental individual right? Why shouldn't it be 8 then?
Checks and balances, procedure that slows down the gears of government isn't a cure-all, and I never claimed it was. It's just increases the likelihood of sane decision making by forcing continued debate and requiring more consensus.
The real meat and potatoes of protecting individual liberty is strict restrictions of what the government can/cannot do (Constitutional powers) and then arming the people to the tits, of course.
>>73836072
Ultimately, it is naive in the same way socialism is: it ignores a large chunk of human nature.
Most people aren't all that responsible and WANT to be controlled in some degree.
It ignores the people who have no sense of civic responsibility (ie niggers) who have to be controlled.
It ignores the greed inherent in most people.
Like pure socialism, a whole bunch of people must die in order to create a libertarian society.
>>73836072
>socialism is more mainstream
No it is not
>>73837288
>it could still in theory work with a proper change of ethos.
Human nature is to band together and form government because they don't want to be responsible for every single aspect of their life.
#AustinPetersen
#AP4LP
Socialists at least try to adjust there beliefs to reality and make things work while the libertarian answer everytime something fails is that you didn't go libertarian enough.
