Give me one good reason why schools shouldn't just be privatized. Public schools are trash.
>>73717355
only in the us.
>>73717355
you learn more about yourself and how things work at public school than anywhere else in life
>>73717355
Most people can't afford private schools, dumbass.
>>73717355
Private schools are the reason why public schools are shit (sometimes in some places).
Rich people send their kids to private school and then they have no skin in the game. Public schools would get better if the wealthy had no choice but to make sure their children got a quality education.
The answer is "no more private schools".
Why not both? Just put public schools back under the control of the locals, like they used to be.
>>73717439
or, only in 3rd world shitholes.
USA is really exceptional in this regard. A first world nation with many 3rd world aspect. Maybe thats why migrants from backward places integrate to USA far better
>>73717550
>forcing rich kids into nigger schools will make them better
>>73717355
Public schools work nicely so long as neighborhoods function like private associations where you not only need to be able to buy the house, pay the taxes, and maintain your standard of living to move in, but also need to win the approval of your new neighborhoods.
When neighborhoods are just socialist cesspools filled with public housing, people on the dole, and forced bussing, then public schools are dead.
>>73717355
Because then niggers, spics, and white trash couldn't go to school.
And as lovely as it sounds to send your kid to a school with no niggers, it means their would be even dumber niggers, spics, and white trash in America.
And all those dummies would be out on the street among the public more because they aren't in school.
>>73717355
You clearly never lived in Flroida. Privitization on a large scale is an absolute shitshow.
>>73717355
I don't see it in the constitution.
>yfw I dropped out my senior year and make more than friends who went to a formal, four year college.
>yfw got enough street smarts while friends were "finding themselves" to return to school with intent.
>>73717634
If we were to just stop trying to uplift black kids that clearly don't want to attend school, the problem would be solved.
Instead we force these nigs to attend school as if it were a prison sentence to them. If they don't want to learn, why do we insist on forcing them? It's not just blacks, some whites are guilty of this too and it drags every student down when you have to lower the standards.
>>73717893
This
>>73717550
100% wrong.
Parents of kids in private school pay for tuition ON TOP OF the property taxes that fund the local public schools. Private schools don't deprive public schools of any funding.
Public schools are shit because they are ran by the government and the apes go to school there.
>>73718259
Why don't we just bring back segregation? Fucking Brown v Board of Education ruined schools.
>>73717355
Speak for yourself. I went to one of the three elite public science high schools in nyc, faggot.
>>73718838
Communities tend to self-segregate. But get ready for next-level madness when Obama's section 8 equalization stuff starts going down.
If public schools are trash you should consider changing public education. Stop pretending as if you have the only answer to all problems and there are no alternatives.
You could abolish public schooling and let the free market handle it or you can improve our current system by dismantling unions, creating a more hand-on approach in schools, teach kids relevant shit (like traffic laws and road signs) etc.
There's always more than one solution to a problem.
>>73717501
What is supply and demand?
>>73717355
>Give me one good reason why schools shouldn't just be privatized. Public schools are trash.
It's literally a human right.
>>73719124
As long as a state/federal government that has no attachment to the community runs schooling, it will continue to be trash.
Local leaders need to run education because they know their community.
>>73718838
Some blacks are willing to learn but they are few and far between.
Maybe we should just segregate the retards who aren't going to apply themselves, the kind of people that go to school because the law tells them to.
>>73719699
Do they not still put the retards in special help programs and the super-nerds in the gifted programs?
Elementary school teacher who works at a ghetto school here, ask me questions.
>>73719479
>people without an education in the field should make decisions on it
Yeah, no thanks.
>>73717550
You are a tard. You think that a public school in a rich area is going to be any different from a private school? No. Instead of paying a tuition, there will just be large donations to school from the parents forced to go there.
>>73717501
There's an easy workaround to that.
Give people vouchers they can use for education, and let the students (or the parents of the students) decide where they want to go.
The goal is to still make schools accessible, but to disenfranchise the leftists in academia by shifting the control of funding schools from the government to the people.
Then run schools (almost) like it's a business. At-will employment, so they could get rid of anyone for any reason--they could start purging leftists in academia. Force teachers to compete by measuring their performance and effectiveness as a teacher, and terminating those who underperform. Right now, you can be an incompetent teacher and you get to keep your job--right now, you can only get fired if you diddle kids and parents not liking you (for whatever reason). With a business-like performance reviews, you can better weed out incompetent leftists just hanging on to get that paycheck. This will also get rid of all that tenure bullshit--if tenured professors are not continually performing well (teaching, etc.), they can lose their tenure and maybe even get fired.
Privatization can do much to purge academia of leftists.
>>73717355
>Public schools are trash.
I agree. It's the same here.
>>73717355
>USA has some of the best colleges in the world
>USA has arguably the worst public schools in the developed world
Why?
>>73720256
Troubled areas already offer "lotteries" for parents that let their child get taken into a better school. I forgot the specifics but I do know that already exists.
Oh and I am all for putting education in the hands of the states again. The DOE is full of money grubbing retards.
>>73719913
Oh nah the actual retards are fine, at least they have a reasonable excuse. I really just can't understand why 99% of black people are just so unwilling to learn, or attend school at all for that matter. Is it just ghetto culture or something deeper? They're all so fucking stupid that it hurts.
I guess segregation is okay when there's no racial motive behind it because schools still separate children based on aptitude. It's like they're admitting that the no child left behind policy was flawed.
>>73720440
B L A C K
P E O P L E
>>73720440
Because our universities don't teach anything worthwhile. They've turned into very expensive baby sitting resorts where men and women can act like spoiled children and have their safe spaces and trigger warnings to they won't get their precious feelings hurt.
>>73717443
this, it's good for social development, but yes some kids just get left behind or can't be tutored properly do to either overworked teachers or lack of budget. Privet schools do way better but most americans simply can't afford it.
>>73717355
Well, because a good portion of students would simply not get a basic education for about a decade until private schools developed to fill in the gap.
Even then, the most poor would still receive no real education due to a lack of social pressures or income to force them into it.
>Playing doubles advocate
The bigger problem is that there is no real goal in the public education in the United States. We're attempting to teach future store clerks advanced physics, future physicists English poetry, and not teaching them how to balance a budget or pay taxes with fuck all importance placed on whether or not students are interested in subjects.
>BUT WHY SHOULDN'T KIDS GET APPRECIATION FOR THE ARTS?
Because they don't appreciate it. You'd be better off just letting them take a trial course or leave courses that they're simply sleeping through.
>WHY SHOULDN'T EVERYONE LEARN ADVANCED PHYSICS?
Why not teach everyone Latin? What is the goal of the system we're paying for?
>>73717550
Typical liberal logic. "government program x is failing because not everyone is forced to participate in it"
If your programs can't compete your answer is to stamp out the competition and expand the failure. Absolutely disgusting.
>>73717355
because that is when you end up with "Joey went to McDonalds and bought 3 cheeseburgers and a diet coke, he was watching his ipad on his Timex watch, he eats 2 cheeseburgers in 5 minutes and drinks 1 third of his diet coke, how long will it take him at the current pace to finish his meal?"
>>73717355
Here public school are way better than private ones.
For exemple, we have some of the best universities in the world for studying mathematics (pic related), and they are public.
source : http://www.shanghairanking.com/
>>73720892
>private
>>73717355
Do you want half the population to not know how to read and write?
>>73717550
My parents are blue collar, lower middle class and they sent my sibs and I to private Christian schools.
It's not too expensive if it's a priority.
My cousins went to public schools OTOH and 3/4 of them are morons.
>>73717893
>kids catch intelligence by exposure
>>73721253
We are talking about primary and secondary schools, not uni
>>73721648
Oh sorry. My point still stand though. Public highschools are way better than private one. Primary schools are well-handled by the State, the private one are so fucking sad. However, I have to admit that public middle schools are too chaotic
>>73720256
Vouchers destroyed education in my state.
It works well in theory but what ends up happening is the public schools that actually do well (and there are some) get punished by way of having most of their top students stolen away by private and charter schools that in many cases aren't better.
It works when the entire public school system in a district is shit, but does a lot of harm when public schools in an area are already good.
>>73717900
>absolute shitshow.
Hey, it massive privitization took us from the shithole that Alan Garcia leave us, our transportation might be a mess of multiple private companies competing in the same are with some units up to 300k in fines but at least we aren't Venezuela
>>73717355
Because half the population wouldn't be able to do even the most basic shit, and no one can survive in the 1st world without knowing how to read, write and use basic math. Even your average ghetto trash can do those basics.
>>73721446
Would that be more or less than know how under the current system?
>>73719166
Do you even economics?
Just because you let it allocate itself in the free market, it doesn't mean it is the most efficent way to handle this.
Some things need influence of the government to be efficently used.
Souce, Ms. in Economics
>>73721546
No, but they have been known to catch education that way.
>>73717501
Don't have kids if you can't afford to take care of them...
>>73721964
You'll get something like this
>>73720256
Your entire scheme seems to be more about hating leftists and less about actually doing anything that has to do with what schools are actually about.
>>73721954
That's not a good enough reason for me to spend my tax dollars educating shitskins. Cut all federal aid and let them handle their lives on their own.
Sure, some places will end up like Detroit, but the white people with brains and money can just move away into their own neighborhoods.
It's the natural order.
>>73717550
Someone fell for the multicultural meme
>>73721053
>how to balance a budget or pay taxes
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>>73717900
Yep, I'm not Floridian but I know your pain since you guys got rid Tony Bennett after he came to my state to destroy education here.
>>73722285
I have about as much sympathy for you as you have for everyone else.
>>73717355
Because education has high positive externalities, and thus a fully market solution doesn't reach the socially optimum amount of education. Which is why public expenditure on education exists.
Now, some people will mention school vouchers as a solution, but as someone who lives in a country in wich such "solution" is widely implemented, I can attest that it's quite flawed.
There's an study Martin Carnoy and Patrick J. McEwan showing that school vouchers fail to improve education for more than a small fraction of students, increases inequality and "privatization solves neither the gap in achievement between low-income children and higher-income children nor the gap in access to high quality schools."
People who defend school vouchers usually do it out of ideological interests (this system funnels students into mostly conservative, Catholic schools), rather than a desire of providing a geniune solution.
>>73722471
>this system funnels students into mostly conservative, Catholic school
You are talking as if this was a bad thing. Or do you want a helicopter ride?
>>73722419
Good, so we agree. Everyone can deal with their own shit.
>>73722730
Sure. The difference is, it would take work to make things work your way and good luck doing it on your own. Thats why the whole "I just want to do my own thing I'm the only one that matters" argument always fails to accomplish anything. You need to get people invested in your cause and the full on ultra independent mindset doesn't work for that.
>>73722632
>You are talking as if this was a bad thing.
Because it is a bad thing. The fact that Chile is one of the most secular and liberal countries on Latin America is a signficant reason behind it's success. I don't want to end like religious shitholes like Peru.
>>73722277
Because they're the problem.
:)
>>73717550
I'm so glad we have holy Communism to save us from the dreaded scourge of capitalism
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>>73722936
t. Izquierdo Rojas
>>73723138
t. shitposter
>>73723061
That's only because you're oppressing us with you crapitalist companies so we can't ever make a True Communist company to compete.
>>73718259
word
nigs just wanna nig
>http://nypost.com/2016/05/08/obamas-last-act-is-to-force-suburbs-to-be-less-white-and-less-wealthy/
>>73722889
>it would take work
Yes it would. And the people willing to put in the effort to better themselves would benefit from it greatly. The others, who aren't willing to put in the effort don't get anything.
I don't see anything wrong with not wanting to waste my effort/money/tax dollars on people that don't even want to try. It's pretty fair T.B.H.
>>73723173
t. recipient of a free helicopter ride
Get in, lad.
>>73723521
You can want anything. You just can't expect anyone else to care enough to help you make it happen.
>>73717355
In your burger country maybe -- ours are great, thanks.
>>73717634
Some of these niggers just shouldn't be in school in the first place.
To be fair it would make it SLIGHTLY better due to the whites actually trying.
A school in my neighborhood used to be one of the shittiest in the city decades ago until the area started getting gentrified with Asians and Whites
>>73720664
>black
>people
Pick one, my man.
>>73717355
look at the underlying problem instead, intelligent kids sharing class with dumb kids, which drag down the flow of lessons, so you get talented kids who learned nothing in their best years and hate the learning system
separating schools according to individual capabilites seems like a better solution
>>73724083
That is pretty much Honor classes are for.
>>73724083
Some publicly - funded higschool systems do this. I want to a Magnet high school and had to take a test to be accepted. They only took the best few kids from each town.
It was also funded like a public school, by the county, so for the most part we didn't have any crackheads in the building and didn't have to waste money on private school.
It's a pretty good solution.
>>73717355
>Give me one good reason why schools shouldn't just be privatized.
whose gonna pay for it?
>>73717443
Private, as in not state owned and funded, not homeschool
>US public education
>>73717501
It's becoming increasingly clear that actually private schools are cheaper than public schools. Only difference is that you have to actively give away money in a voluntary exchange, instead of being taxed for it.
>>73717355
There isn't one.
>>73719479
Let us also not forget that public sector teacher unions are heavy into some very liberal policies, and game the system like no one's business. Do not listen to public school teachers when they whine for higher salaries. It's a crock of shit.
My experience in schools
>be a young dickbutt
>go to school
>From K-6th grade, kids are a mix of mostly white and mexican with a FEW blacks here and there.
>Blacks were white washed but got into the gangsta culture around 6th grade but it was in a friendly and fun way. never violent
and then...
>Junior high
>different area but same district and school name
>"Oh it cant be that much different!"
>30-40% blacks
>Most mexicans became violent towards them just to stay safe.
>whites refused to so they got bullied unless they're chad 220lbs of pure muscle
>Blacks all were wanna be gangstas that disrupted class nonstop
>Blacks fought every day
>stabbings started to happen at my school
>Mexican got stabbed so a group of mexicans fought a group of blacks, about 80 people in total, outside the school in the street
>none of the teachers bring this up AT ALL
>blacks started to throw BIG textbooks at my comp science teacher and hit her in the head twice with them. 40yr old skinny meek white lady.
WhoooWeee! Im sure glad I survived junior high! TIME FOR HIGHSCHOOL! cant get any worse right?!
>Most of the craziness calmed down
>blacks were calmer than in junior high but still disrupted classes often.
Then hurricane Katrina came! We had a announcement for the school at our gym
>"Guys I'm sure you all heard of the devastation that hurricane Katrina did to our country... I am happy to announce that we are going to help! We will be taking in X amount of hurricane victims, so treat them nice!
>Uhhh.. ok.
>the hurricane "Victims" came. almost EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ONE WAS BLACK
>During lunch, fake gangsta that was well known but nice in our school went up to a new orleans kid and said "whats up man!" with a huge smile on his face and his fist out for a fist bump
>new orleans kid punches him in the face and the whole table of new orleans kids jump him and teachers cant stop it since its 20+ people.
>stabbings started to occur WAY more than in my junior high
Cont
>>73724830
Sheltered
>>73726483
>Metal detectors installed
>Officers hired to guard the school and patrol hallways
>It felt like a prison
The school had a reputation for being the "preppy" school and having VERY high grade averages. After the "Victims" came, it dropped below average and into section 8 territory.
In college we all looked up our old schools to see how they were doing since we were talking about school funding in class
mine was below most other schools in grades and had high drop out rates.
I honestly used to love every type of people and would get mad at people who were prejudiced towards any one, especially if it had to do with race but after new orleans nigs came to Texas, I realized how wrong I was. Its a whole different breed of people. Reminded me of the movie Hotel Rwanda.
Oh im sorry, I forgot, its not pronounced "New Orleans", Its called NAWWWLANZ
>>73717355
Only in the US, because they get funding based on the wealth of the people who live in the area around the individual schools, so schools in rich areas have more money than they know what to do with and waste it on stupid shit, and schools in poor areas can't make a difference no matter how hard they try.
