Hey /pol, could you tell me what is actually happening in Poland, and between Poland and EU. What are polish being accused of and and if it is even true.
>>73707381
Party that lost last elections is butthurt, nothing more.
yes, but EU acusses Poland that they are doing something wrong and makes all that buzz out of something, I need some info to prepare a paper
>>73707381
>former government tries to appoint more jugdes that it's allowed to, 5 instead of 3
>president tells them no and and refuses all of them
>new governemnt now wants appoint 5 judges of their own choosing
>constitutional tribunal stacked by previous governmnet isnt' happy with that and tries to strike down attempts of new cabinet
>EU sides with our former government because they were basically German lackeys
>>73708662
Does this has to do anything with rapefugess or it's two different stories? That they look for anything to complain about Poland
>>73709509
Could you explain me what is PO and PiS?
>>73709770
Thank you, I was thinking that all of this is happening because the new goverment does not want to accept them
>>73709117
What other anon said, plus majority is against it. That's the one thing that most of the politicians from both parties agree upon.
Don't fall for that BS peddled by a butthurt Kraut.
>Should Poland take in a portion of ME refugees?
>>73709787
PO - pro eu post communist scum
PiS - national socialist post communist scum
>>73710625
>Pic
I wonder how it looks like in other countries, do you have any more of those or know something about it?
>>73707381
Post communist pseudo elite and corrupt judges they begin to fear that their time of cheating Poles is ending. They were in the service of German interests. Now they are making a lot of shout and they call on the German principals to help them keep status quo.
>>73710816
>PiS - national socialist post communist scum
national socialists but not post communists!
>>73707381
Polan will establish glorious monarchy.
Then anything will be possible.
>>73709787
>PO
Socially and fiscally centrist (with mild shift towards conservatism and capitalism). Filterally funded and owned by German government.
>PiS
Socially conservative, fiscally socialist. Not owned by any European or banking big business, and therefore hated by most of "progressives".
These are the two most popular parties sinve 2005 (or at least were, because PO is systematically falling to 15%)
>>73711004
>he doesn't know about Kryże, or about past of Kaczyński brothers.
Thanks Poland bros this helps me a lot
>>73711173
Poland, I know smolensk was annoying, but why aren't you making friends with Russia. Hungary is doing it. You have literally nothing in common culturally with the cucked nations of the west.
>>73712932
How can you make friends with someone that will backstab you or use you as a fucking shield against the West?
Think about it bro...
Poland cannot exist as a friend to anyone, history proved it so many times.
The only way it can exist is to form its own union made up of other central europe countries.
You know the V4 stuff, it's big enough to unite them and set the rules in the European Parliament.
Just think about it, what would happen if Poland would join Russia? First of all Poland would loose all the friendly support from other countries and EU will put on sanctions on them instantly.
Their leader, Mr. Kaczynski is playing the game well with Orban and they are winning this game, they know they can't just leave the EU as that would be the end of it. Russia could literally then smack their asses.
Once Britain leaves then it would be safe for them to do so as well.
>>73712932
Russia since day one was our greatest enemy. It's now what, 500 years of constant fighting? You and Frogs stoped to openlly hate each other after more than 800 years. Maybe after another 300 years we will start to get along with Ruskies...
Or we will wite until China, who we want to be our next big buddy, finally reclaim Siberia.
>>73713507
But you are both Slav. Chinese are nips with bad dandruff.
>>73713254
But Hungary gets along with Russia very well. Also Hungarians do not like shitty Ukrainians
>>73713507
I've heard about that, it looks like the new Polish gov is trying to become independent from EU and Russia. Smart fucking move.
Chinks are possibly the only country that ould guarantee your freedom and independence right now.
>>73713812
Who the fuck likes Ukrainians? They're fictional just like Lotr is...
>>73712932
>>73713751
I wish things were different
t. other anon
>>73707381
EU and Soros has big butthurt about only good thing that PiS is doing (keeping rapefugees out of our country).
All other thing like giving human-trash free monies (500+) is degenerate like in western europe
>>73713751
In the case of Slavs - there are records from IX century that say that Slavs always fighting with each other. Remember Yugos?
In the case of Chinks - pic related
>>73713878
> mfw he actually thinks the Chinese can guarantee a nation's freedom and independence besides their own fucking internal problems
I'll give you this, the Chinese, if successful in bursting the economic bubble that is slowly forming around them, could manage to become a world super power in like, 10 years or so.
Today tho', they are struggling with their own god damn problems, and I'm not talking about pollution or lack of human rights.
Poles will never side themselves with the Russians, ever. There are some countries in Central and Eastern Europe that hate the ruskies with a fiery passion for hundreds of years.
For you can say anything but the Russians have proven themselves to be only back-stabbing, cowardly subhuman slavs that do not care about anything but their own machiavelic interests.
>>73713934
>Irish were considered non-white
>Ukrainians were considered white
are you salty m8
>>73707381
The ex gov just got REKT today during the audit, the amount of corrupt shit they pulled off between 2007-2015 is unreal, some people will be sent to prison for this shit.
>>73714609
what goes with the massive protests in Warsaw?
Our press is reporting that close to 300.000 people have marched against the government, baring EU flags - generally your ex-gov supporters.
Today the press reported that there was an on-going protest involving around 100.000 anti-gov protesters.
Are they fucking lying again? I swear to god, I might have to learn to read the stars so I can fucking figure something out from this mess
>>73712932
>making friends with Russia
Never gonna happen, Putin will never resign on his imperial ambitions of rebuilding the Empire, and Belarus and Ukraine are our rightful clay, not theirs.
And in fact over the last 1000 years we've always been much closer to the West than to Orthodox east. In fact, central Europe shares such amazing amount of common cultural heritage, that you will find more similarities between Poles and Germans than between Germans and French, or Poles and Russians.
Still, I believe that geopolitically, here is the best thing we can do - weaken the Russia as much as possible via sanctions and EU, while economically benefiting from membership in EU but refusing all the bullshit regulations the'd try to force on us (immigrants, neomarxism, and so on). Eventually, EU will collapse due to civil war with Islam, and Russia will hopefully collapse economically due to low oil prices. Then, we shall emerge as local leader, uniting former Commonwealth nations under our banner and keeping strong relations with V4. We'll make Poland great again.
>>73714778
>300.000
according to police it was around 50 000
according to the protesters it was about 250 000
who owns Romanian news ? Germans?
>on-going protest involving around 100 000
the protest was a one day thing, what the fuck???
>>73714778
>Our press is reporting that close to 300.000 people have marched against the government, baring EU flags - generally your ex-gov supporters
kek it was 45k tops
>
Today the press reported that there was an on-going protest involving around 100.000 anti-gov protesters.
lel twitter spambots did not count
>>73715086
> who owns Romanian news ? Germans?
You got that right. All of our major news outlets are either Secret Service shills or foreign power propaganda.
Our national TV stations, that we pay money for monthly as tax, is completely destroyed due to poor management and interests from our politicians, hence Romania not having a national TV and radio broadcast that can actually transmit something useful.
All of our news nowadays are anti-Russian Propaganda, anti-Putin Propaganda, anti-Bashar Propaganda, and lately, anti-Poland propaganda.
You are being labeled, as an example, as being led by a national extremist party, far-right. I actually had to do researches by myself, as I do when reading Romanian news, as I found it unbelievable at first.
tl;dr: all of our news are propaganda. it's like a war is coming.
>>73709787
PO (Citizens Platform) - centrist, Soros-funded, euro-cucks, ruled Poland for the last 8 years, lost parliamentary and presidential elections last year.
PiS (Law and Justice) - right-wing on social issues, patriotic, centrist on economy (lower taxes for middle class, but higher taxes on big business and large benefits for people who choose to have more than 1 child), won parliamentary and presidential elections last year.
> chimpout of subhuman nigger monkeys
> all should be sent to toilet cleaning camp
> or put into cages so they won't hurt other people
>>73715813
>PiS
>lower taxes for middle class
>lower taxes for anyone
>>73715777
wtf
the EU tried to sanction us because the gov took control of the media and it's spamming propaganda...
but you guys are getting it even more hardcore
>>73715993
Gimbaza probably doesn't remember, that last time they were in power they lowered taxes quite siginificantly. There's no reason to not believe them, when they say that they plan for a tax cut in 2018.
>>73716754
Well sadly our Government does not have control at all over what the media says and does. The Government, as far as it seems, does not have control on the Secret Service as well, with them having massive amounts of undercover agents infiltrated into the Press, the Gov, Political Parties and so forth.
Right after the Ukraine war got the green light, all respectable newspapers started posting daily anti-Russian propaganda, with calls to war and direct quotes coming from Putin that "he threateans our land with invasion" and so forth.
Every.respectable.newspaper.
2 years have passed and nothing has changed.
>>73717039
Last time they were in power they had a neoliberal Zyta Gilowska (RIPip) as a Minister of Finance.
Now, it is some no-name who will do anything Kaczyński orders him.
And so far, the ONLY economical reforms they introduce is constant RAISING of taxes (new media law, VAT, banks and supermarkets) while introducing Sweden-tier Robin-Hood redistribution programs like 500+ at the same time.
Being both Slavic doesn't make Russia Poland friend. France and Germany are both Germanic and they were slaughtering each other for centuries. It just doesn't work that way.
>>73717312
Thanks for the info Romanianbro.
To be honest I feel a war in the guts too. But I do not know who would be fighting who and what for. Strange times are coming.
>>73718290
>France and Germany are both Germanic
>>73717911
Korwin, pls.
It's Morawiecki who decides the governments policies on taxation, etc... And he's not a noname.
I'm not sure if the 500+ will work, but the taxation of banks and supermarkets is effectively levelling the playing field for foreign and domestic capital. Foreign supermarkets, banks, etc... have been so far treated in Poland as if it was a tax haven. It's high time we stop discriminating against Polish companies.
>>73715777
>tl;dr: all of our news are propaganda. it's like a war is coming.
And it's pretty much been this way since what, 1913?
I feel for you brother.
>>73718522
You might have a hope if a war starts, and I'm actually being serious.
You poles still have some sort of pride in your country and you are mostly patriotic as fuck.
Us, Romanians, we have lost our identity a long, long time ago. After 50 years of commie brainwashing, with most of our intellectuals killed or sentenced for life, this country has lost its pride and honor.
All of the young ones dream to leave and never come back. Most of my colleagues have left for the West. Our people are old, poor and uneducated (the ones that remain), and those are the guys that vote for who gives them the most.
We are vassals of the EU and of America and we have no National Interest set in stone, like re-unifying with Moldova. We do not protect our national interests, we do not care about romanian minorities that still live in Serbia, Muntenegro, Ukraine and so forth.
My country deserves to burn. Maybe then the people will finally wake up from their eternal slumber.
>>73718522
USA in civil war doesnt matter if Trump wins or Shilary which means they gotta leave from Europe. West in civil war cuz muh 6 gorilion shitskins and I feel much more are yet to come. China going full retard on taking Siberia since there is no global sheriff anymore and they would gladly take all those unhabited lands. Central-Eastern Europe and balkans making trade and military alliance to protect themselves from all the degeneracy and wars around them while profiting at the same time from silk road 2.0 with China.
Rate my WW3 lads
>>73713934
Ukrainians aren't bad. We have a lot of them now, because Crimea and ruskies.
The factory i work in got like, a whole brigade of them, because cheap labour material. Most of them are hard-working, bro-tier guys, very like-minded to Poles. They tend to drink a bit more though, but we've had the same in 90s and 00s. Of course, some of the refugees couldn't find any good work and ended up being angry bums, which is the most visible thing and brings the reputation of all ukrainians down.
From my experience, they're cool guys.
Too bad we've had some violent history, but maybe in the face of current happenings we could overcome this.
>>73718982
Things have not been like this, not in my country at least. Up to 2008-2009, right when the economic crisis hit us, the quality of our Press was actually quite good, with us having more Quality Press than tabloid press per general consumption.
Also, this war propaganda, especially ever since Ukraine Maidan started, is very very aggressive against the Russians, almost calling to war or ridiculing every unimportant aspect that is related to the Russians.
I mean, I get it, I fucking hate their guts for what the did to our country, but the Press is almost calling for war, or inflating random titles like "You Won't believe what the mad-dog Putin did! He will destroy the world! The beast from Russia is unleashed" - this was the title for an article regarding the new ICBM that the Russians are developing.
I can go like that for ages. Something definitely is brewing and I'm eager to see if it involved full on scale war or the new hybrid Maidan war.
It's war either way.
>>73719332
China has more chances of imploding by itself due to social unrest, tbqh.
A Central-Eastern Europe Coalition is a must, one that protects the interest of the people and one that does not have any strings pulled from the West (Bruxelles, Berlin, London, Paris, Washington) or Russia.
>>73719332
You forgot Russia.
>>73719027
Shit happens here too. The whole thing may be actually a joke on us, I mean Slavs.
You know what always happen when there is a war? A slaughter of Polish patriots. Every fucking time.
With all respect to polish people and admitting EU current state is too retarded, I still think polish people are too far-right.Honestly, polish actions in Danzig and Western Ukraine led to Poland getting split by superpowers.You just need to know when to stop or Poland gets weak again.
>>73719645
Does China feel the crisis of overinvestment that much? Or whats up with them?
>>73719727
I said China would invade them and take Siberia as theirs. I doubt Russia would have any chances with China 1v1. They maybe have some better military eq but both economicaly and purely by manpower they would lose imo.
>>73719364
>>73719645
Most Slavs are bro tier. Unfortunately, we are very miserable and conditioned to failure.
Slaves we were and slaves we remain.
>>73719727
>A slaughter of Polish patriots. Every fucking time.
Same thing as always. Sad, but completely true. Don't even get me started about previous wars, we lost 300.000 soldiers against the Russians, with more than another 200.000 missing or sent into gulags.
The rest of our remaining forces were forced to fight against their previous allies, against their own folk, march on their own country and stand helpless while the russians were raping and destroying our cities.
Who reaped the fruits after that? The spineless commies and traitors that inherited this beautiful land, and passed it generation to generation to this day, while deceiving the population and slowly making them illiterate and uninterested in politics by destroying our Educational System.
Heh, the definition of butthurt definitely sums up a Romanian.
Butthurt, buttfucked, since 1945
>>73712932
Neither do we have anything in common with the fucking psychos in the east, besides "muh slav genes".
We hate Russia. Maybe if Stalin and his successors wouldn't try to drive us into the ground for the last 100 years, then the wounds after the partitions would heal A BIT, just enough for us not to be against trying out a new slavic union.
But the last 500 years have proven that we should never shake hands with Russia, nor should we trust other "big" countries. Russia will just backstab us and use us as a shield against other enemies, meanwhile the west will either turn their back on us when Russia will fuck us again or join the feast for crows.
Poland will stay strong alone, or perhaps V4 will help us and other countries destroyed in the past.
>>73720053
>polish actions in Danzig and Western Ukraine
what the hell do you mean?
>>73713254
If Poland wasn't that harsh and didn't act that brutal in international relations it could create an Eastern European economic block and outscale both degrading EU and Russian economics.This is a popular idea among some polish high-standing figures(know personally), but this is when mentality is too based.All this mix of fear of Russia, sarmatism, not understand of equal relations in international politics and unjust revanchism is what is holding Poland down.I write it because I care about Poland as I loved to live in this country and have some of Polish ancestry.
>>73720071
>Does China feel the crisis of overinvestment that much? Or whats up with them?
They are currently experiencing an economic bubble due to them investing so much in infrastructure these years, and now not having what to build anymore.
Massive layoff are expected, seeing that most of the jobs are coming from the Government, and there is no plan formulated atm regarding what shift should China take in order to re-gain that much needed popular support.
Give that with pollution, social unrest due to commies being commies, the 1% controlling everything, domestic terrorists that have trained in Syria under ISIS and have now returned in mainland China .... I can go on for hours.
Let's just say that they have a though job ahead of them.
>>73714575
stop this white, non-white shit. You think that you are special snowflake because hitler ruled germany for less than two decades? Or because you are being replaced with sandniggers?
Fuck you and this whole white/non-white shit.
>>73720398
I think you base your knowledge of our foreign relations on internet memes and Muchosrańsk Times
>>73720398
It would be very easy for Russia to fear monger you that "polskie pany" are going to steal your clay or something.
Also you are a really poor country. You know, West Germany is really rich and could not help its eastern part to recover fully. How come we could be any help for you?
>>73720325
Polish-germanian relations in Gdansk are the reason Hitler had casus belli to invade you
Polish-ukrainian MUH OVERLORDSHIP humiliating attitude is what led to cossacks you hate that much.Speaking of times later on, life under polacks in Western Ukraine was quite bad.Read about this in some english sources, they are unbiased as no one gives a fuck to bother to lie about this.Your cultural politics is what fucks you up all the time.As well active class (shlyahta, military, far-right youth, w/e), which doesn't know when to stop.
>>73720398
No nation is equal to another.
Don't forget that PiS is basically another Fidesz – Hungarian Civic Alliance, the party of their leader Viktor Orban. PiS leader Kaczyński is a very close firend to Orban, they have met many times recently and discussed in private.
PiS is breaking our constitution, but also paralysing Constitutional Tribunal (basically they want to replace them with their own loyal people, so they would break our constitution without any repercussions). They are mostly just like Fidesz - greedy commie authoritarianists, which works like agressive coporation. They unified general prosecutor and ministry of justice, so now some loyal party member has major influence into courts. PiS also took over national public TV, and turned it into their own propaganda tube (in reaction, they lost huge group of viewers, so now they are making another "tv tax" for all ppl who have electricity, seriously!). PiS of course are masters of cronyism and nepotism. In half of the year, they mass filled any places they ever could, something that took the previous governement whole 8 years. They reached it in a HALF OF THE YEAR. Hilarious. And sad.
Ppl are trying to oppose it, like they did against commies in the 70' and 80', last weekend there was the biggest protest since the fall of communism in Poland. But governement laughs at them and sais they "are hidden opposition agents". EU try to react, but they are very inacurratte and have some other problems like Greece, immigrants, Russia and propably dozens of other, more important than falling democracy in some small country in the middle of Europe...
>>73720792
Nah, Hitler had his staged Gleiwitz incident create a reason to invade us.
Your nation was never meant to be a nation. You are a bastard of Russian politics, and literally founded by the blood of Polish/Russian criminals that forced conflicts between Poland and the Ottoman Empire.
Granted, Slavs in the past made other Slavs slaves, basically, so it's no wonder those men fled to other lands.
>>73720583
Jokes on you, i'm also polish
Didn't see that coming, eh?
>>73720792
I believe we wasn't always good. And then you got your revenge.
You know, one of the points of the EU was forgetting old stuff. France and Germany somehow did that since they are similar.
What could be a leading idea uniting Slavic countries? No more cuckenig? It would be weak in economy, weak in military terms. I guess it would be a failure.
poland will be overrun by ukrainians like usa by mexicans
>>73720673
nothing on topic
>>73720780
Don't switch topic on me, please.I dislike western ukrainians, but the fact of literal expluatation, a harsh one, is undeniable.You have a right to say "well we are superior we take what is our" but don't get mad at Volhynian ukrainian-polish conflicts, don't cry over cossaks, don't get mad at Koliivshina when its YOUR Shlyahta Confederates are the reason of every fucking rebellion.Your edginess doesn't match your coolness since first Rzechpospolita, you guys need to develop something else than bipolar worldview.
>>73721487
>What could be a leading idea uniting Slavic countries?
Crusade, imo. Only a common enemy can make all of the Slavic and Balkanic countries get past their insignificant tiny little problems in order for them to see the bigger picture.
That was always the problem with us, Central and Eastern European buffer zones. We never look at the god damn bigger picture
>>73721706
>you guys need to develop something else than bipolar worldview.
ukrainbro speaks the truth, but that goes for most of the countries in this part of the world.
>>73720792
>Polish-germanian relations in Gdansk are the reason Hitler had casus belli to invade you
Hitler invading Poland is kinda more complicated that just gib Danzig or war. Hitler wanted to get richer, wanted to get his hands of cheaper trade but he was unable to do that via sea trade as Anglos didnt let them in. So rimland was out of question. The only way he could get the stock/raw minerals etc was to get to heartland - USSR. And as soldier dont like walking through mountains we were the only path to heartland cuz we are mainly flat or even lowlands. While I agree that our politicians made a mistake in not letting them go there and just let them fight between themselves I dont neccesery think that it was only gib Gdansk war or whatever you tried to say.
>>73721412
Ukrainians weren't meant to be a nation.Ruthenians are ruthenians, whether from Moscow or from Halizia, differences were not that big.YOU were too edgy, too harsh, too expluatating.Well, you had your gain from this and there is such thing as a right of strong.Ok, but funny fact.YOU forged Ukrainians (which means borderers, doesn't sound even half as proud as Ruthenians, huh?) to be a nation.Together with degenerate Russian politics of switching assimilation-cooperation towards ukrainian nation, you are the reason ukrainians exist.Well, and now they are nation.Nation is not something sacred that comes through history, and you just happened to witness how a young one is born.It may die, it may blossom, but it was born.And it's your fault so don't get too pissed.
I still think Poland is capable of being local superpower, if it changes attitude, Duda is too narrow-minded though I respect him.
>>73721706
>know your place, Poland, you never knew your place and that's why you got so much shit on your fucking hands
In the same breath as
>but we will step out of our comfort zone, stir shit up, try to face countries bigger than our own and not stop when need be
>cuz shlyahta, huerr duerr
How ironic.
>>73721602
Ukrainians are working and willing to assimilate.Ukrainian girls bend over polish guys as fast as lightning, so you guys won't get any problems with ukrainians unless you for some reason get some Western Ukrainian land and start doing retarded shit again.Hope you guys learn from history.
>>73721706
We do not want your clay. I am telling you we cannot help you and the situation is a bit like between us and Germany. Also Russia thinks you belong to them.
The whole idea is not about deciding who first killed whom but by producing and selling shit. Why are you literally so poor?
When your needs are satisfied you are less likely to start a war and even in fact you can get cucked.
>>73707381
Okay, so here is the full story:
>previous ruling party (PO, centrist party) tried to appoint 5 instead of 3 judges before the lost elections to keep the majority in the constitutional court
>new ruling party (PiS, national gibsmedat party) wins both parliamentary and presidential elections, has a majority of the votes, so they can do anything besides changing the constitution
>PiS chooses their own 5 judges instead of 2
>constitutional court's chairman doesn't let 3 of those judges do anything
>after that PiS hurriedly creates a law that effectively prevents the constitutional court from working on any new laws, with no vacatio legis, no consultations or anything
>the constitutional court judges the new law to be against the constitution
>PiS refuses to publish and respect this verdict because the court didn't rule according to this law (that was deemed to be unconstitutional)
>while this is going on, they also replace every officials, journalists in public media etc that they can, raise taxes and create gibsmedats to shut people up
>according to PiS, everyone who doesn't like what they're doing is just mad that he lost power
And the average PiS supporter thinks that if PiS made a law that replaced the constitutional court with monkeys, only the monkeys could rule it to be unconstitutional.
While the previous ruling party was terrible, they manage to be even worse. But that was to be expected from commie scum.
>>73722173
Złote Wolnośći is not fucking ''know your shit'', its degenerate.Expecting people not to rebel after you treat them as animals is degenerate.Pissing off Germany harrasing german locals is degenerate.Pol tryes to call polish football fans ''based'' but IMO they need to see them IRL.There is nothing based in being literal barbarian.I am not asking you to stop having pride or ambitions, what I say your methods sometimes don't fit your resources and your revanchism is sometimes unreasonable and has no place in current world situation.Gj on refugees though, i support you 100% on this topic.
>>73722231
>unless you for some reason get some Western Ukrainian land and start doing retarded shit again
There is literaly no profit in taking your lands. What we would want from you is access to you ports in Black Sea and you guys being independent Ukraine who separates us from Ruskies. Which means the only way to do that would be by getting better relations between our two countries. Don't you think?
Polexit when?
>>73722117
>literally only exists thanks to Russia playing with power
>literally based upon criminals fleeing from their former countries and creating new conflicts
>but it's the fault of nobility, because we need someone to blame for us being criminals
>>73722302
My fellow countrymen who bend the knee to you and my retarded jew merchant president seem to affect your view of my posts.State of my country is bad and its not a topic of conversation, please dont switch it.
What you did in western ukraine is drained all the resources out of region, didn't do anything to improve inphrastructure and then, to fuck up even more, did nothing to pacify the region.This is political mistake, that's what I am calling.
>>73707381
>what is actually happening in Poland?
economically illiterate scum being mad about the other economically illiterate scum putting crosses on walls
PiS is just as much anti market as PO was, the libertarian movement is basically dead, the biggest meme here is just national self loathing (memeing about how poor and inbred poles are)
>>73722484
Why do you want Poles into your government and business?
Do you think you know what is modern economy? For us it is working from morning till late evening with being even poorer than in communism or not having time to spend that fucking money, or being so exhausted that you do not want to live.
If you think you will have a life like in a American movie you are mislead.
Also Russia won't allow you to go. I won't allow us too unless some miracle will happen.
>>73722634
>mfw snek has less than 0.01% and isnt even an actual party
>>73722561
And I still know many people who think Lviv is polish rightful clay and would like to get it back.Old and young.I call it revanchism.Unjust revanchism, in this case.
>>73722561
Fleeing literal slavery to settle in uncolonized lands is the biggest reason to settle in Sich, though yes, I think there were many outlaws of every sort among cossack, most of them were still former peasants.
>literally only exists thanks to Russia playing with power
Well, ukrainians struggled for nation even before trying to ally Muscowy, to be honest.
>but it's the fault of nobility, because we need someone to blame for us being criminals
Ukraine is not only cossacs its ruthenian people that didn't want you as overlords.Guess why.
>>73722484
>Złote Wolności is degenerate and you should expect your former pets to put on a rebellion
LITERALLY IN THE SAME BREATH AS
>it's your goddamn fault Poland, you oppressed those Germans, who slayed you and discriminated you, and germanized you for 123 years, you shouldn't have rebelled against them, you shouldn't have stood up for yourself
I mean, that is only if you're retarded enough to believe the stormfags claiming there was any discrimination in Polish-owned Danzig on a scale enough to force a conflict between two nations.
But yet again - how ironic.
Maybe you should talk more about "muh shlyahta".
Also that commie-bitches robbed the hard-working society, and created social program called "500+" where they are giving 500 PLN monthly (about 120 $) for each child except first one, for everyone, without any limits, monitoring, or special conditions. You have more than one child? 500 PLN is yours, just fill some papers. You can spend it for whatever you want. Have more children? More money for you! Society will pay for it! Imagine, you don't have a job, you are just fukking like a rabbit on spring, making a lot of children, and whoo-hoo you have a lot of money, each month!
Of course, everyone is paying for it (by taxes, provisions, inflation, ect.). And our economy will fall miserably in the next few years because of it. But also it will give them more votes (from poverty) in the future. Fukking commie bastards...
>>73723029
Don't like individual freedoms, brochu?
>>73719525
>It's war either way.
Yes, and it will start by Germany and the US invading Poland to make them take rapefugees.
Russia will align with China and certain middle eastern nations.
>In addition, van Rensburg predicted civil war in Bosnia. His predictions, include prophecies that Japan will be destroyed by earthquakes,
>He has prophesied a great war (Third World War?) which will be fought from the air and will involve Russia – which slides back into Communism – and joins up with China and the Middle East to fight against America and Germany. The war is won by the West, with Germany becoming the leading economic nation on earth. England is all but destroyed during the war.
>>73722975
I don't want poles in my government and if I was a ruler I'd work on improving investition climate and yes, I would want polish business in Ukraine, though I'd remain protectionist.
What my president does is just a simple fact he is great businessman and intrigue-master but a terrible politician and military leader.
You speak to me like to generic ukrainian american worshipping citizen.I really wish flags were disabled and I could finally get some real conversation, so I could have a talk with people and not walking stereotypes exchanging retarded bants.
>>73723069
>And I still know many people who think Lviv is polish rightful clay and would like to get it back.
What for? this doesnt make sense.
>Old and young.I call it revanchism.Unjust revanchism, in this case.
I would just call it a meme. Same with gib Wilno bs. Living 25 years I've never met anyone who would seriously want to take Lviv or any other city from anyone irl. In the internet sure but it is mostly to cause butthurt or drama.
>>73722231
not the point
for them shitty polish living conditions are a godsend
they will keep a brotha down
>>73723210
Złote Wolności is your inner politics problem, its your shlyahta destroying your country and playing its own interests and polish nation not being able to prevent it.
It has nothing to do with laws that provocated rebellions in Ukraine, what are you talking about?
And yes, pissing off 2 superpowers because of MUH JUST RAGE is degenerate.
>>73723261
That is not commie, Hitler did even more.They try to fix demography as it is their solution instead of importing tons of migrants, you need as many people in your current political state, be happy that you have government that does it.
>>73723069
>oh, just look at those cute and adorable peasants
>look how cute and adorable they are while forcing a conflict between Poland and the Ottoman Empire
>Ukrainians struggled for nation before
>literally a bunch of criminals identifying as "independent" people
>struggled for country
kekd, not even joking
>muh ruthenian people
>didn't want you as overlords
Irrelevant.
>>73723518
Know this.Well, at least I managed to cuck you guys.Lost virgnity with silesian 15 y.o girl first day after meeting.Thx Poland <3
>>73723262
>tfw my gadsden shirt is a "shitty vidya reference noone will get bro"
pls dont let the south fall
not yet
>>73707503
also worth noting that the previous leader of the party you're talking about is the head of EU
>>73723728
So you put people on 5-days slave work and they flee so they are criminals now?Or people willing to have their own nation is somehow criminal.It may break the law but its real double standarts to call it CRIMINALS WANT TO BUILD A CRIMINAL STATE.When Hmelnitski rose, almost all ruthenians joined.
>Irrelevant
You still don't get where you fucked up?
Btw, Polish-Ottoman conflict is not only Ukrainian based.Its also Wallachia etc.Losing piece of Bukovina and Podolje to Ottomans is your own fuck up, though.
>>73723526
>pissing off 2 superpowers because of MUH JUST RAGE is degenerate, just leave, even if they enslaved you, killed you, and wanted to force fuck a cultural shock into your society for 123
IN THE SAME BREATH AS
>pissing off the Ottoman Empire and the Crown is legit and reasonable, because MUH FUCKING RAGE YOU SHLYAHTA PIECE OF SHIT OVERLORDS, FUCK YOU, FUCK YOUR POWER, WE WANT TO BE CRIMINALS, MUH FREEDOM, WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Wow, that escalated quickly.
does anyone know where I can get a god tier quality snek shirt? my old one was some cheap crap and is already in ruin
>>73707503
first post the best post
>>73708662
So if it comes down to it can the EU strip them of power and put the leftists back in power?
This is becoming very corrupt
>>73724274
tell the Ukrainian guy to produce it and buy it from him
>>73724145
cossacks did many things to secularize, you need to admit it.And pissing neighbours off with opressing their people is not to compare with cossacks, which where allowed to raid Ottomans by your crown and only refused to stop when your shlyahta was so stuck in disputed it couldn't manage shit.
Well we didn't piss Ottomans and RP at once.Ever.You hold the discussion like a liberal, meme pictures and simplifications.Learn to be constructive, kid.
>>73722634
Never. Poland has been getting so much fucking money from the EU and the minute the EU turn off that faucet there will be farmers in the streets protesting the PiS.
>>73712932
Dude, you don't understand. The wounds are too fresh. It's only been, what, 27 years?
>>73724331
They can't do that.
The only thing the EU commission can do is impose sanctions on a state and block certain funds like the non-refundable EU investment moneyz.
What you said means direct foreign intervention into a sovereign state, a direct ally in the NATO convention and an European state.
>>73707731
>EU acusses
focus on the main point - include brexit.
they raping you right and square obridago
>>73724551
My prediction is Poland nationalizes some foreign businesses related to people that will try to hurt polish economy.Screen it if you wish.If Brexit and Trump happens Poland gonna be superpower.
>>73724331
it was already corrupt
I guess even the Germany oriented party was so ashamed of itself it did little not to lost the elections.
The whole thing is charlie foxtrot 2bh famm
>>73724007
>Polski that think Gadsden is a video game reference
literally how
>south fall
It fell a long fucking time ago brat. It's the PacNW that needs to rise.
>>73712932
>Poland dont be liked cucked western nations
>Cuck yourself to russia instead
kill yourself
>>73724114
>muh farmers had it soooo bad
Literally like everywhere else in slavland.
>muh ruthenians
>you dun goofed
Literally a bunch of power-craving faggots wanted to stir shit up and get a fat profit from it.
kek
>Polish-Ottoman conflict is not only Ukrainian based
Yes, it is. Pokój wieczysty was only cut short after those criminals started to steal and burn shit on both sides.
We were in very friendly relations before the war, we had respect for each other during the war, and we were in very friendly relations after the war.
The spot of criminal ape infested clay you call Ukraine was literally the only reason it escalated to that point.
>you lost clay, your fault
No fucking shit, Sherlock.
>>73724551
What do you mean by "cant"?
We are western colony, they can close banks, Lidl, Netto and shit. It would be the end of communism 2.0
>>73712932
Pretty sure the name "Jarulzelski" still rustles the fuck out of the Poles. Not to mention the whole WWII thing. And pretty much all of history before that.
>>73724999
Literally fuck you, it's a clown fiesta, not a discussion.Thought higher of polish 4channers.
Well, sleep awaits, good night everyone, hope my points were interesting as I dropped little inside info in this thread.
>>73724810
>literally how
pic
aren't kentucky, texas and arizona comfy?
this shit got me http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/10123-Pine-Pass-Dr_Houston_TX_77070_M82646-52260
>>73724520
>pissing off neighbours with oppressing their people
Well hello there, stormcommander Vasilij. I did not know that returning the favor after 123 years of national torture was uncalled for, while some unrightful peasant chimpout in the middle of nowhere was such a noble cause.
>allowed to raid Ottomans
kek, Ukrainian education.
>you discuss like a liberal
You can't even write a full proper sentence in English, so what the fuck am I going to do with your "muh shlyahta" crying?
>>73725165
>I couldn't defend my peasant criminal ancestors, wah
>fuck you, Poland
>I can't have it my way, so I will call it a fucking memefest
Sounds like that sweet slavic slave whailing.
>>73725380
If you don't mind the scorching heat, Mexicans and poisonous snakes, poisonous spiders, scorpions and cacti, sure.
Though that gazebo and hot tub look comfy as fuck. Here's a spot relatively close to where I'm at. Not great but not bad honestly.
http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/2151-3rd-Ave-W_Bremerton_WA_98312_M22611-04352
>>73725380
Also what is pic exactly? Some Animemey?
>>73725991
i have loo blood so heat is a bless,
and mexicans from personal experience are bros but im a total pussy when it comes to those 8 legged devil spawned abominations
>pic related mfw one of those fuckers jumps on my arm
>Some Animemey?
a meymey, yes
also that hut seems comfy as fuq
>>73726614
If you hate spiders you sure as fuck won't like scorpions
And if you ever decide to move here and buy a home, stay the fuck away from anything with a Homeowner's Association (HOA) involved. They are the antithesis of freedom.
>>73727930
ive heard most of those cheap homes are heavly shopped on pics but irl are fuq'd by termites, tru?
>>73728317
Either that or they were built using cut-rate materials and will have structural problems about 15-20 years from the time they're built.
>>73714778
>300k
kek 50k MAX
