America BTFO by based Chomsky
>"In brief, the Global War on Terror sledgehammer strategy has spread jihadi terror from a tiny corner of Afghanistan to much of the world, from Africa through the Levant and South Asia to Southeast Asia. It has also incited attacks in Europe and the United States."
>>73687875
Oh yeah that's why global deathrates in American and Europe lowered during the last century?
>mudslimes can't be held responsible for their own actions
typical leftist racism
>>73687875
Blame ZOG...Chumpsky gatekeeping mong.
>>73687875
>linguistics
>thinking he knows anything about politics and economics
>muds explode American things
>America goes over and beats Muds for exploding American things
>Muds explode more things
>this is america's fault
wow I didn't realize being smarter than Chomsky was so easy.
>>73687875
Noam and his sycophants are real pieces of shit; I used to do ra work for a prof. that hung out with the fuccboi and was all about workers rights and shit until it came time to pay up for the work. Literally Noam is the king of virtue signaling hypocrite leftist trash.
>>73688150
F minus dreydl chucker.
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>>73688196
what?
>>73687875
>Chomsky
When will this old faggot die? Getting really butthurt seeing his kike face.
>>73688196
why are the nips on here always so based
>>73688250
>America destabilizes the Middle East (again)
>creates a flood of refugees (again)
MURKA DINDU NUFFIN
>>73687875
He's right, y'know?
>>73687875
We're Empire, and we're better than the alternative.
>>73687875
Agreed. All Americans should be gassed desu.
>>73687988
This.
Also:
>The Muslims may tell you that they are commanded by Allah to jihad, but as an American liberal, let me tell you the REAL reason why they jihad: white racists.
It's very arrogant.
>>73687875
I agree. We should've just glassed those countries and executed the remnants.
>>73687875
Jews have made the world a more dangerous place. Time to eradicate the whole race.
>>73688497
They've been jihading since before 'white', as a racial collective, was a concept. This is like fifth grade history.
>>73687875
What a coincidence!
>>73688465
You guys should come across the pond. I'm not crossing the Atlantic to shooting brown people again if I don't have to.
>>73687875
Israel has made the world a more dangerous place
Muslim terror groups that want to establish another caliphate have made the world a more dangerous place
>>73687875
BY DESIGN
>>73689139
BASED
A jew hates white civilitzation
Color me surprised.
He is right.
America is responsible for this disgusting world.
>>73687875
Chomsky is an idiot. He's made up his mind to basically do the impossible, which is to keep saying that America is evil. He's never going to be proven right. What kind of a retarded intellectual not change his opinions after being proven wrong in the 80s? Is Chomsky Mexican?
>>73687988
>mudslimes are drone bombing themselves
indoctrination level:next
>>73689353
>America
>White
>>73687875
BUSH WASN'T INVOLVED IN 9/11 CHOMSKY huh?
sorry this dude has zero cred
>>73688186
/thread
Choadsky should die in a fire
>>73688497
Noam Chomsky needs a serious asskicking.
>>73688124
Seriously. I was taking a psych class and my teacher asked who knew Noam Chomsky?
>The anarchist?
Turns out he is just a linguistics guy.
>who knew?
>>73687875
Then he proceeded to ask America for more monetary aide.
>>73687875
>chomsky
mmm i wonder who is behind this article
Meh.
Till we are in the meme realm, shitposting is okay.
In reality, USA had done much more harm in asia and south america.
>>73687875
This guy desperately needs new material.
>>73688497
This guy knows whats up.
>A large-scale instance [of political smear-tactics], in the 1930’s, was the introduction of the word “isolationism” into our political vocabulary. It was a derogatory term, suggesting something evil, and it had no clear, explicit definition. It was used to convey two meanings: one alleged, the other real—and to damn both.
>The alleged meaning was defined approximately like this: “Isolationism is the attitude of a person who is interested only in his own country and is not concerned with the rest of the world.” The real meaning was: “Patriotism and national self-interest.”
>What, exactly, is “concern with the rest of the world”? Since nobody did or could maintain the position that the state of the world is of no concern to this country, the term “isolationism” was a straw man used to misrepresent the position of those who were concerned with this country’s interests. The concept of patriotism was replaced by the term “isolationism” and vanished from public discussion.
>The number of distinguished patriotic leaders smeared, silenced, and eliminated by that tag would be hard to compute. Then, by a gradual, imperceptible process, the real purpose of the tag took over: the concept of “concern” was switched into “selfless concern.” The ultimate result was a view of foreign policy which is wrecking the United States to this day: the suicidal view that our foreign policy must be guided, not by considerations of national self-interest, but by concern for the interests and welfare of the world, that is, of all countries except our own.
DUDE KHMER ROUGE LMAO
>>73687988
"Mudslimes" are the reason the world is falling apart yes. That doesn't mean America wasn't the spark that ignited the flame...if we never stuck our fingers into other countries for oil and started unnecessary wars then ISIS wouldn't be nearly as big as it is today.
ITT: plumbers and call centre employees who barely graduated highschool and think linguistics professor is teaching students spanish shit on one of the greatest intellectuals of our time
he should have left it at "America has made the world"
dumb faggot
>leftists complain about America's foreign policy, warmongering and general wrecking of things
>refuse to get behind the one remaining candidate who wants to put a stop to it, and champion a woman who will continue it
lol fucking libcucks how do they work?
>>73689864
I know when I want insightful critique of Chomsky, /pol/ is the first place I go.
>Companies such as Halliburton have been criticized in the context of the Iraq War for their perceived war profiteering.[8]
>Steven Clemons, a senior fellow at the New America Foundation think tank, has accused former CIA Director James Woolsey of both profiting from and promoting the Iraq War.[9]
>The Center for Public Integrity has reported that US Senator Dianne Feinstein and her husband, Richard Blum, are making millions of dollars from Iraq and Afghanistan contracts through his company, Tutor Perini Corporation.[10][11]Feinstein voted for the resolution giving President George W. Bush the authority to invade Iraq.
>Indicted defense contractor Brent R. Wilkes was reported to be ecstatic when hearing that the United States was going to go to war with Iraq. “He and some of his top executives were really gung-ho about the war,” said a former employee. “Brent said this would create new opportunities for the company. He was really excited about doing business in the Middle East.”[12]
>The War Profiteering Prevention Act of 2007 intended to create criminal penalties for war profiteers and others who exploit taxpayer-funded efforts in Iraq and elsewhere around the world.[13] War profiteering cases are often brought under the Civil False Claims Act, which was enacted in 1863 to combat war profiteering during the Civil War.[14]
>Major General Smedley Butler, USMC, criticized war profiteering of U.S companies during World War I in War Is a Racket. He wrote about how some companies and corporations increase their earnings and profits by up to 1700% and how many companies willingly sold equipment and supplies to the U.S that had no relevant use in the war effort. In the book, Butler stated that "It has been estimated by statisticians and economists and researchers that the war cost your Uncle Sam $52,000,000,000. Of this sum, $39,000,000,000 was expended in the actual war period. This expenditure Yielded $16,000,000,000 in profits."[15]
>>73687875
This guy doesn't have any political weight at all. He's literally just an expert at talking circles.
>>73688150
It's almost a chicken or the egg argument. Honestly we should just erase them off the map and drill our own oil. It was nice of us to the sandmonkeys an opportunity to be civilized, but now we have to stop playing and start eradicating.
>>73688445
Shut up Argentina. We get it, you're white.
>>73687875
This is the same fucking logic teenage social justice warriors use.
"It was all our fault" "we started it"
In the minds of these people... the savages they constantly defend and whose ?"Virtues"? They extoll....can only react. They aren't a fully formed entity capable making its own decisions. Having petty, emotional, hateful, racist, greedy, violent, power lusting emotions are not in tool kit of shitskins.
Only white men are capable of these flaws and the evil they proliferate.
To Leftists the nigger is a one dimensional abstraction. A reflector or gauge that only exists to let the leftist know how tolerant and thoughtful he is. The nigger can never have a defining intellectual persuasion and can never even be given enough credit to be held accountable for his own actions.
At least the people on this board actually give blacks,arabs, and mexicans the dignity of hating them based on who they are and what they do.
A leftist will never hate them because they don't even view them as being worthy of hate.
It is a sickness, equal parts arrogance, delusion, and high on the sense that they are somehow righteous in tearing down the foundations of their own culture and able to understand the pain of the people to whom they give no credit.
Noam Chomsky....blah blah blah...its our fault...blah blah blah....islam/the middle east was doing FINE be fore we went there (remember they can only react)....bla blah blah....its all the result of our decision making......blah blah blah.
Die old man. And your lifes work of confusion and lies with you.
>>73688150
>Keep destabilizing and support fringe groups
>Comes back to bite you
>keep doing it again
When you find yourselves in a hole, stop digging
>>73689740
Ladies and gentlemen, the smoking gun of the Jewish tricks.
>you're isolationist, help the world
>(((help the world)))
>you're doing it wrong
>this is all your fault
>>73687875
I blame America for not doing a proper job and completely removing kebab
>>73690775
If you hate them so much how about you start on the natives?
>>73690706
Nailed it.
>>73687875
The people who care what this traitor has to say don't matter.
He should do the country a favor and kill himself.
Very painfully.
>>73688150
What is Gulf War? What is pre 9/11 Afghanistan? What is Iran regime change?
You realize that history didn't start the year you were born, right?
>>73690885
Uncle Lee already has them on a leash, I prefer to watch fireworks
>>73687875
I really liked this guy back in college when all I knew about him was his work on cognition and linguistics.
Then I came here and learned how fucking vile Jews can be.
>While Saudi Arabia is often a secondary source of funds and support for terror movements who can find more motivated and ideologically invested benefactors (e.g. Qatar), Saudi Arabia remains perhaps the most prolific sponsor of international Islamist terrorism, allegedly supporting groups as disparate as the Afghanistan Taliban, Al Qaeda, Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and the Al-Nusra Front.[106]
>Saudi Arabia is said to be the world's largest source of funds and promoter of Salafist jihadism,[107] which forms the ideological basis of terrorist groups such as al-Qaeda, Taliban, ISIS and others. Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide, according to Hillary Clinton.[108] According to a secret December 2009 paper signed by the US secretary of state, "Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida, the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups."[109]
>The violence in Afghanistan and Pakistan is partly bankrolled by wealthy, conservative donors across the Arabian Sea whose governments do little to stop them.[108] Three other Arab countries which are listed as sources of militant money are Qatar, Kuwait, and the United Arab Emirates, all neighbors of Saudi Arabia. Taliban and their militant partners the Haqqani network earn "significant funds" through UAE-based businesses. Kuwait is described as a "source of funds and a key transit point" for al-Qaida and other militant groups.[108][110] The Pakistani militant outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba, which carried out the 2008 Mumbai attacks, used a Saudi-based front company to fund its activities in 2005.[108][111] According to studies, most of suicide bombers in Iraq are Saudis.[112][113][114] 15 of the 19 hijackers of the four airliners who were responsible for 9/11 originated from Saudi Arabia, two from the United Arab Emirates, one from Egypt, and one from Lebanon.[115] Osama bin Laden was born and educated in Saudi Arabia.
>>73687875
This old commie cuck is still rattling on?
>>73691166
>Uncle Lee already has them on a leash
>Uncle
Lol. If anything Ah gong is trying desperately to pretend we are one united country
Obama did more to spread it than Bush.
Increased Drone strikes numbers and ares. Turning pexpletive that didn't care about America into jihadists. After a Drone strike blows up their family as collateral damage.
Then decided to get involved in the Arab Spring. Thinking he could upstage bush, by doing regime change without ground invasion. Allowing for two failed states to pop up. Turning ISIS from angry sunnis in Iraq, into a pseudo state.
>>73689432
but obama has been president for 8 years
muslims ARE drone bombing themselves
>>73687875
America ruined Britain. For that I can never forgive them.
Once we ruled the world; then at least we still had a notional empire. Now, thanks to US intervention in Suez, we're just an airbase in the American empire.
>>73687875
I'm pretty sure the reason this shit spread is because leftist dipshits invited it in everywhere.
>>73691686
what kind of retarded reasoning is that? drone bombing is a tactic not policy. the only reason why the previous presidents didn't do it is because the technology wasn't as developed as it is today but you can be sure they've been doing whatever equivalent of that they had available.
>more than half of the replies in this thread are ad-hominem attacks and quips rather than substantiated rebuttals
What happened to you /pol/? If you are can be so dismissive than you must have proper evidence to affirm your snobbery, I genuinely want to hear an educated response to the man's accusations
>inb4 more personal attacks therein proving my point
>>73690945
>>73690575
>implying 9/11 was the first bombing
Muslims have been mudding for 2000 years. We didn't start the fire. We just jumped in the game, everyone else has their hands in the oil.
Would you rather China control the middle east? Does the world really need more chinks? No thanks
Fucking America, always ruining the world foe everyone else.
Good were the times before America was a superpower, before WW1. Where everything was an European colony and European countries were always at war with each other.
>>73692210
>Would you rather China control the middle east? Does the world really need more chinks? No thanks
How many of your countryman's lives are you willing to sacrifice for the sake of this gut feeling exactly?
>>73692139
You are looking for discourse with people who consider the fact that Chomsky has a huge nose an arguement against what he says. Good luck.
>>73692359
it's not a gut feeling. You think China is sitting on their ass? No. They already have occupied Tibet. They want more land. They took another island recently.
And to answer your question, as many as it takes to ensure national defense. It's a soldiers job to soldier anon
>>73692491
>It's a soldiers job to die for my insane imperialistic fantasies anon
FTFY
You're a sociopath.
>>73692739
>insane imperialistic fantasies
do you want sources of Chinese or Russian expansionist aggression? We're just playing the game to keep our head above water.
And yeah, sometimes soldiers die, you will too someday. Be thankful there are soldiers out there fighting so you don't have to / so you don't get invaded by muslim hordes.
Islam has been at war with everyone else for about fourteen hundred years. The first war the United States fought after the revolution was against Muslim pirates that cited the Quran as their justification for raiding and enslaving us. But saying that Islam is violent is racist.
>>73692957
>do you want sources of Chinese or Russian expansionist aggression
Why is your countries job to defend the world though, shouldn't the world just defend it's fucking self? Why is your nations job to protect the world, why must it be your soldiers that die, have you never questioned that basic premise before?
>And yeah, sometimes soldiers die, you will too someday. Be thankful there are soldiers out there fighting so you don't have to / so you don't get invaded by muslim hordes.
Yeah all those US soldiers fighting and dying in the middle east over the past two decades have really saved Europe haven't they.
>>73692139
Well he's blatantly wrong and displays a total lack of historical knowledge. Muslims have been invading Europe and terrorizing and enslaving Europeans for nearly 2 millennia. And first conflict the US fought after winning Independence was against muslim pirates for killing and enslaving American sailors.
To claim that American action is the reason muslims are violent is utter ignorance.
>>73692210
i dont think islam existed 200 years ago
i think Christianity was pretty much brand new 2000 years ago
>>73687875
It's not like Islam has been doing this for 1700 years
It all started in 2001 sure thing nome
>>73693129
>world defense
America has a moral duty to protect the weak. You think we should sit back and watch as faggots are thrown off buildings or women get murdered for being raped? Isolationist pussy. If we sit and do nothing, you think the world will get better? Then when shit gets bad Europe will be bitching and moaning for us to come help. Oh wait, they already are. You know why our defense budget is so big? It's because a shit load of our military is already actively being defense for Euro's tiny bitch countries. And it's not our fault Sweden / Germany are bending over. That's on them. But guess who will have to come save the day when the jihad gets too strong? Protip: it's not china
>>73687875
Who pays this retard, honestly?
>>73687875
It's not the US' fault that the Iraqi army couldn't stomp out jihadis before they became big enough to operate on the global scale.
>STOP BEING WORLD POLICE AMERICA
>EVERYTHING WENT TO SHIT WHEN YOU STOPPED BEING WORLD POLICE, FUCK AMERICA ALAHU AKBAR
>>73687875
Says the communist disinfo shill.
>>73693343
are you retarded? Islam began in the early-7th century. wikipedia.org/wiki/islam
>>73687875
He's right. We unleashed the atomic bomb and put the world into preparation for nuclear warfare.
We now destabilized the Middle East by taking out dictators who actually slaughtered terrorists, and then we have a president who doesn't want to even confront or acknowledge them, letting them flow free into the West and grow their movement in the Middle East.
>>73693366
>isolationist
There's that word again.
>>73689740
>>73689998
This is what i'll never get
Here we have a candidate that want's to do EXACTLY what "progressives" have been chanting for years; but all because of his response to illegal immigration and other rhetoric, they want to get rid of the ONE candidate, OUT OF EVERY SINGLE FUCKER THAT RAN, the person who wants to fix up the middle east.
Someone post that picture of Hillary's speech about espousing about equality and how breaking up big banks won't help that, because that is the best fucking example of "useful idiots" I still see to this day.
>>73693621
getting involved in others business is the west's business. There's a hell of a lot more mudslimes than their are whities. Also way to pick out one word against an entire argument.
>>73693366
>You think we should sit back and watch as faggots are thrown off buildings or women get murdered for being raped?
Then why are you such incredibly close allies with Saudi Arabia who do the exact same shit, why do they get US made weaponry sold to them while ISIS gets US made weaponry used on them despite pushing the same shit. If your countries foreign policy had any kind of moral guidance to it whatsoever this point would have some kind of legitimacy to it but it just doesn't, if you want your country to be this great force for good in the world you're going to have to overthrow your government and completely rewrite your nations foreign policy, what I'm saying is that it's not going to be easy.
>If we sit and do nothing, you think the world will get better?
Have you constant interventions made it better? You know Saddam didn't throw gay people off buildings and murder women for being raped, he was a secularist, but now thanks to US intervention he's out of power and a much scarier new mob of assholes are in charge, congratulations on that one, really made the world better there.
>You know why our defense budget is so big? It's because a shit load of our military is already actively being defense for Euro's tiny bitch countries.
And you don't see an issue with this, why should US taxpayer money (let alone US soldiers lives) go towards the defence of Europe, why shouldn't Europe defend themselves?
>But guess who will have to come save the day when the jihad gets too strong? Protip: it's not china
Or maybe you'll just hide on your personal private continent for a few years to make sure you know who's going to win first and then swoop in at the last second and act like you won the whole thing like the last two times.
>>73693474
>SCARY BUZZWORDS!
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
>>73693761
That one word was the crux of your assertion so it's perfectly valid to attack it's use.
The only thing America has done wrong is be surgical in the campaign against Islamic terror.
All we're doing is going after the symptoms, the already radicalized Muslims. If we just wiped Islam off the map, there'd be no more Islamic terror.
>>73693831
>saudi arabia
geopolitics is complicated faggot. they'll get theirs.
>constant interventions
destabilization is key. keeps the fire burning over there, not here
>Euro defend themselves
too weak against the muslim hordes
>america in WWII
remember who dropped the bomb faggot
>>73693554
>implying the middle East has ever been stable
Anyway, he's not wrong because he says we shouldn't get involved in the middle East; he's wrong because he says America is the reason Muslims are violent.
>>73693229
>>73693355
>>73694082
From the OP, he's not saying the US made Muslims violent, he's saying the US spread Muslim violence from their own corners of the world to a global problem.
If a car bomb goes off in Baghdad, nobody cares. Move on. When it happens in London, or New York...
Key sentence: >spread jihadi terror from a tiny corner of Afghanistan to much of the world
it concedes jihadi terror in Afghanistan, and raises the problem that it has been spread because of US action.
Whether true or not is debatable, but "he's saying Muslims dindu nuffin!" is a strawman of the information provided.
>>73687875
>America is a scapegoat
this is shit
when can we go full neet and isolate ourselves from the rest of the world just so everyone sees how bad things will get
>>73693881
Oh come on. Has the Chomsky the Gnome ever put his money where his mouth is, ever? He's classic control opposition. He's put there to control the narrative of the leftist opposition.
Noam himself is extremely rich. With a net worth of over 2,000,000 million dollars! A true 1%er.
www.hoover.org/research/noam-chomsky-closet-capitalist.
>>73693923
you pointed to the etymology of the word and ignored the reality of what's going on around the world
>>73694080
>remember who dropped the bomb faggot
>swoop in at the last second and act like you won the whole thing
There it is again! Do you honestly think dropping those bombs had any kind of meaningful impact on determining the course of the war, really? Do you know nothing about the context those bombings took place in, how completely and utterly fucked and unable to continue the war they were already at that point? At that point had America sat back, maintained the blockade and done nothing or nuked the whole place to ashes the result would've been the same: no more japan.
>>73694209
But that's still wrong. Like I already said, Muslims having been invading and terrorizing the European continent for nearly 2000 years. They've never been "contained to their tiny corner".
>>73687875
>based
>chompsky
pick one, cunt
>>73687875
Stop blaming all of America for the Jewish elites, we didn't ask to be their fucking puppets.
>>73687875
>it's a noam chomsky vomits out inane platitudes episode!
>>73694345
really moving goalposts over here to an irrelevant WWII argument. Like it or not, we are the global power now. Can't wait to blow you up when you ally with China
>>73694340
>reality of what's going on around the world
>the world has problems
>therefore America has to become an empire the scale of which would make Alexander the Great blush
I'm failing to see the connection here.
>>73688465
You should be careful with what you say mate. Who is going to save you from he Islamic hordes on your country?
>>73692139
Well, his argument is so ridiculous that it's kind of silly to bother writing up a quality rebuttal that he'll never read, but here's something.
First, his proposition that Americna intervention caused the spread of Islamic terrorism from a "tiny corner of Afghanistan to much of the world" is revealing of his sheltered worldview. Islamic insurrection, interfaith violence, and terrorism has been a prolonged issue in essentially the entire world that isn't the Americas for as long as Islam has been present. I can't speculate about why he doesn't know or care about this with any real value (it's not unreasonable to think it's his own ethnocentric biases), but the fact that he says this is pretty revealing about how wildly shallow his worldview is.
I don't think the neocon strategy of attempting to contain Islamic violence by forcefully installing "democracies" has worked, but to argue it has made the world more dangerous is speculation at best.
tl;dr Chomsky knows nothing and should stay in his lane: writing about language in ways so specific that literally nobody cares but his peers, but we all have to subsidize through tax dollars
>>73693229
>To claim that American action is the reason muslims are violent is utter ignorance.
Chomsky claims that American intervention is a reason, not "the" reason. Strictly from a non-partisan standpoint, this is not factually incorrect. Where the balance of culpability, one can and probably successfully argue, is that the 1,400+ year bloody dichotomy between Sunni and Shiite Muslims was and continues to be a major contributing factor to propagating the conflict; but given American intervention, the 1979 Iranian coup staged by the CIA, and other controversial elements of recent American foreign policy, it would be reckless and dismissively ignorant to presume that America in fact has no culpability in the regional instability.
>>73694518
we refuse to sit and watch as innocents get fucked. We're doig the best we can, maybe you should help out some instead of bitch and cry? Oh that's right, you allowed you government to take your guns. Hard to fight without them. You'd be crying just the same if we sat and did nothing
>>73694340
I did not ignore anything. You used a straw man in your assertion, which you never substantiated, and I pointed it out as a dismissal of position that we have a duty to be world police. If you want to try to make a claim that you can back up with a logical argument, I would welcome that instead of you crying that someone doesn't fall for your emotional appeals.
The butthurt Muricans in this thread really show they are retarded.
> Muh, 9/11, muslims first attacked
> Muh, we, had to do something against the Chinese!!!111
> Muh, our “moderate” rebels in Syria are totally not Al Quaida
>>73693343
>i dont think islam existed 200 years ago
wat
>>73694518
read these, and stop falling to "Muslims are still blowing things up and it's America's fault!" Muslims will do that shit anyway
read these
>>73694628
>>73694656
>>73694751
wow, big words you used there, kid. why don't you read the canuck and come back when you're ready to accept the world is a scary place, and would be worse without our intervention
>>73687875
fill in Bush W. for America and I agree
>>73694628
This is a good observation and I agree with many of your points. Noam has had a track record of ivory-tower academic postulation and idealistic tendencies, this much is true: I do not defend all his words and findings, as he is not infallible. However, in your opinion what do you believe was the initial basis for initial regional American military occupation from the 1970's onwards? Because I tend to believe that it began, primarily, with a thinly-veiled resource grab under the pretense of spreading democracy. However, I would like to hear your viewpoints on the matter as I am sure they differ.
>>73689864
Chomsky is a smart guy, he's just totally blind to context.
"The US killed X amount of civilians!" Sure, but double would have died had they not.
>>73687875
Seriously Americans, how can you even sleep at need with all that guilt?
>Noam "It's The Americans" Chomsky
>>73694704
>we refuse to sit and watch as innocents get fucked
But then you're also willing to actively assist in innocents getting fucked when the geopolitics are sufficiently "complicated" (your own words >>73694080)
>We're doig the best we can, maybe you should help out some instead of bitch and cry?
I'd like to think that's what I'm doing right now, offering some constructive criticism so you guys can maybe stop failing so badly at it, you really think this cheerleading america can do wrong shit you're spouting is healthy for your country long term survival? Making allies of some of the most reprehensible regimes on the planet is not good politics no matter how complicated the geopolitical situation is, Chinas status today is largely a result of such a miscalculation your country made several decades ago, maybe you should stop making it?
>>73695057
Because the guilt is on the Neocon's and jews hands, not the American citizens (except the ones who knowingly supported this)
>>73695082
>Noam "Da Gooooyyzz" Chomsky
>>73694656
And again, this is ridiculous. If America hadn't been fucking shit up in the middle East, Muslims would still be violent and doing their best to spread their violence. They had been doing it just fine for 1400 years before we ever intervened. Whether we started toppling dictators or not, they would still be spreading violence as far as they could manage.
>>73695042
>"The US killed X amount of civilians!" Sure, but double would have died had they not.
Even in Iraq?
>>73695105
>failing at it
things would be worse. you sincerely think they'd be better?
>people are dying, so stop trying
no, things would be worse. Muslims would be stronger, not weaker
>>73691182
Ash yes, I always go to pol for my political opinions.
>>73694977
Yeah, I agree with what the Canadian said but that doesn't have anything to do with whether or not we should be sending our military all over the world to solve other people's problems. The world is scary, so what? Why is it our job to fight off everyone else's boogeymen?
One only has to do a simple thought experiment to realize this is bullshit.
Imagine Islamists had the same military power we did.
Would they use the restraint we have?
No, obviously. The degree to which we DON'T torture, genocide, and target innocents is insane given our military power. If the shoe were on the other foot, you would have to be stupid as fuck to believe they would be showing the same restraint.
I don't agree with all or even most of our foreign policy. But Islamists are the immoral force, period.
>>73695198
I don't disagree with you. However my point is to say that removing any amount of American culpability from the matter is historically inaccurate: if the conflict is akin to a fire that has been burning for over one millennia (which it has), then you have to explain to me how US interventionism didn't amount to throwing a bucket of gasoline onto it when Muslim extremism retained the same tenants and goals forty years ago as it does now;
>>73695509
because their boogeymen is our boogeymen: Muslims
>>73687875
This thread is RIDF and KIKE general
In an ironic sense he is correct, though. The surge worked to bring casualties down in Iraq. Only when Obama got the peace keepers out, violence erupted.
The problem isn't so much first interventions, but that the project was aborted before the job was done. The reason that Iraq, Syria and Libya are in utter chaos nowadays is because Obama recalled his troops for the sake of "peace", and the ironic consequence has been that the resulting power vacuums have left the region ravished by war.
It's similar to the problems in Africa following de-colonialization: you can bring an entire region under your control by removing local leaders, but that means that local warlords will take over as soon as you leave.
>>73695240
>things would be worse. you sincerely think they'd be better?
>would
How can you be so certain? Without Saddam being so unceremoniously removed and that power vacuum being left would ISIS have become an issue still? Say what you will about Saddam he didn't practice slavery and wasn't quite as genocide happy as his replacements, what if without US involvement his regime had ended gradually and relatively peacefully like other dictatorships have? Not saying it definitely would happen just that that possibility was removed from the table by your nations absolutely asinine move that directly led to the creation of ISIS.
Or if you want to go back a bit father hows about deposing the democratically elected leader of Iran, without that would we have the aggressively anti-Israel, fundamentalist Islam Iran that we have today, would they even want nuclear weapons?
What if the CIA hadn't given funding and training to all these jihadists to go fight the soviets, how much of an infusion of knowledge and resources into global terrorism did that represent in world history? So many leaders of so many of these islamist terror groups trace their roots back to this conflict, was pissing off the soviets really worth all that blowback?
>no, things would be worse. Muslims would be stronger, not weaker
What type of muslims would be stronger though, would it be the fundamentalist ones still? Do you not think your countries constant attacks on them, both overt and otherwise, don't maybe encourage them towards fundamentalism? I mean who can really challenge America today but god, what other choice do they have left?
>>73695666
all we're saying is the situation is now less worse than it would be. We're not saying it would be better, but it's certainly less worse.
also, this:>>73695664
>>73695765
*aggressively anti-America
>>73695196
>Noam "It's everyone else except the jews" Chomsky
>>73695666
I'm not trying to "remove American culpability" for the actions that were taken, I'm pointing out that it's wrong to claim that Muslims wouldn't be doing what they've been doing since long before the US existed if not for "big evil America".
>>73695765
destabilization is keyyyyyy. try this thought experiment. The world is lucky we're so moral.
read this>>73695664
stop calling it america's fault when they've been blowing each other up for as long as they've been
>>73695765
this too
>>73695929
>>73695664
>some people might be worse if they had our capability
>therefore it's literally impossible for us to do anything wrong or for our actions to have any consequences
You're so right, your few simplistic sentences totally counteracts any consequences from the war on terror pulling out the secular lynchpin in the ME and creating a massive power vacuum that got filled with absolutely nothing.
Good thinking, you're really smart.
>>73695790
>all we're saying is the situation is now less worse than it would be
But how can you reach this conclusion? Given militant Islam's propensity for violence and destruction, how has forty years of American interventionism not made it worse? We can both agree that rampant Islam tends to be a backwards and barbaric system. But how are we "less worse" now as opposed to having never invaded the area and enacted hegemonic policing-tactics?
>>73695929
Isn't this a paraphrasing of Chomsky's argument?
>>73696267
I said I disagreed with most of our foreign policy dummy.
I don't agree with Chomsky's constant implication that America is the ultimate evil.
>>73689139
Based Harris. If all liberals were like him!
>>73696026
>>73695929
I'm not saying your country is 100% responsible it's just that you seem to be maknig the situation actively worse. Just look at Iran, used to be a fairly reasonable, secular, modern, relatively pro-western country who didn't cause issues, then you guys depose their president, install a dictator they hate and when he gets deposed by his own people they form the modern day islamic republic of Iran, was that an improvement in the situation or not? Or in Iraq, somewhat similar, you had the fairly shitty Saddam regime getting replaced by the significantly shittier and once again islamic fundamentalist ISIS regime in the north and government basically controlled by islamic fundamentalist Iranian government described above, how was that an improvement? It seems that based on the facts if you want there to be more scary extremist muslims in the world with more power then US foreign policy today is an absolute godsend, it's always benefiting them, they lose a couple guys but gain whole countries in exchange.
>>73687875
>Chomsky
>based
>>73696436
*and a government in the south basically controlled
>>73696360
>Chomsky's constant implication that America is the ultimate evil.
Where did he made that?
>>73696285
if they had the power we have now they'd be blatantly taking shit over. since things are in disarray, they are not as powerful as they could be. Who do you think Saddams allies would be if he was still around?
>>73696578
All of his opinions paint America as the big bad guy and Islamists as oppressed innocents.
>>73696768
desu I see it as he thinking everyone involved are being morons
>>73691763
You should have let Germany do its thing.
Do you expect us to give you weapons and ammunition to fight 2 world wars and for us to not demand payment?
Next world war your on your own
>>73696581
>if they had the power we have now they'd be blatantly taking shit over. since things are in disarray, they are not as powerful as they could be
I see. However, how would you explain the regional conflicts from the instating of Israel as a nation in 1945 to the spillover we see today, having maintained regional and paramount only to the affairs of the Middle East? All wars and battles, such as the Yom Kippur war, Six-Day War, and the Suez Canal standoff, maintained set to the Middle East; at the height of Sadam's regime, he saught to invaded Kuwait so as to gain access to sea ports and oil reserves but did not profess to larger goals of expanding power. So how could such an unstable political and religious dilemma have only directly identified America as a direct and intrusive threat only after CIA and governmental inquisition?
>>73696285
No, Chomsky thinks Muslims would be content to stay in their shitholes beheading each other if not for America, in direct contradiction to all historical evidence.
Since Islam rose to power in the middle east have they ever experienced total war on their own soil other than the Crusades which the mudslimes instigated and was largely confined to the eastern coast of the Med?
I honestly think it is time to show the middle east what war really is about and carpet bomb a city or two; all this 'surgical strike' shit has done is narrow our tartgeting to the active jihadis, who by and large are disposable males. Islam will never change until the mudslimes are faced with a choice, stop being asshats and reform your religion, or fucking get genocided.
>>73697091
i think that's the Jews being Jews. And when it comes to favoring the ebil jews vs. mudlimes, i pick the lesser of two evils, the jews. at least they don't blow themselves up. you seem pretty well read on this shit, where are you from? your english is so so
>>73692139
No I agree with this thread.
After the fall and collapse of the Soviet Union, we were left with the delusion that the world is ours to shape, that it would be smooth sailing, that everything is ours to have, that our allies of convenience are true friends.
It has taken 26 years for our delusion to crack. Now we must find our true allies, now is the time we stop creating failed States, now is the time we worry about America first.
>>73697116
I see. But how do you explain the explicit and repeated statements of Islamic-held regimes since the end of WWII identifying Israel as their most eminent enemy, and how all prior engagement in wars and religious squabbles, the common thread against all instability in the region was against primarily Israel, and not the West, or say Africa, or China, or any other country UNTIL western and Soviet invasion? For this argument to be true, there would have to have been documented and proven record of these leaders stating larger goals of power conquest outside of the Middle East. You may argue that Islam inherently and implicitly directs them to such ambitions, but unless you can prove this (which I'm happy to be disproven about) then such an extrapolation isn't accurate
>>73697298
I agree that Jewish people are better people to be around than Muslims; my best friend is Jewish and I shit on him all the time for it, he likes /pol/ and I'm sure visits here sometimes
>>73697527
>After the fall and collapse of the Soviet Union, we were left with the delusion that the world is ours to shape, that it would be smooth sailing
And then the Internet came and woke up the people
>>73692301
Stfu favela monkey
Portuguese still cuck you and you're still 3rd world, so what do you care?
The Chinese would never enter the middle East, they care about profit above all else.
If they did though I couldn't imagine that it would go much better than the Soviets or our attempts.
>>73687875
Number One Rule: Never listen to old farts.
>>73690093
Same old cut n paste cuckold. I hope you and Chumpsky end up ethnically enriched.
>>73688334
because they are not nips
>>73697011
We'd have won in the end anyway. Your intervention merely reduced the amount of time it took.
You got your payment in the form of the money we gave you, destroying our position as a world power was sheer cuntery.
>>73697602
Islam calls for the killing of all nonbelievers. Islam inherently directs them to such ambitions. They direct their efforts towards the west once the west got involved, when before it was just Israel
>>73693831
I agree with you on all but the swoop in at the last second thing. We were the factory for your wars. The only war we truly won was against the japsjaps, Russia did most of the hard work in Europe, we just built most of the guns
>>73687875
This is completely true. We've only seen extremist groups like Al-Qaeda arise in the late 20th century.
>>73698074
>killing of all nonbelievers.
wrong
>>73687875
Yes indeed, goddamn America, the world would be so much safer and nicer under Chinese or Islamic rule. Thank God we have liberal Jews to tell us what to think.
>>73698074
I understand, but how can you explain the direct geopolitical hatred and wantonness of hating the West and directing their supposed nuclear bomb inventory from Israel and their "occupation" of the Holy Lands as occurring only after Soviet and American intervention, and not beforehand? While Islam does have such a disposition to violence and I agree with you, how can you justify this direct and succinct change in ideology only after the West's insistence in overthrowing standing governments in favor of their own?
>>73698246
do I need to quote the Quran for you? prove me wrong
>>73690945
>Gulf war
>Islamic camel fuckers are blowing up arab oil fields
>Americans ,once again, need to stop islamist from blowing shit up
>This is americas fault
>>73698290
Well Ahmed, you basically have them to thank for your new home and boipussy.
>>73698412
Please do
>protip: you can't
>>73697602
1400 years of evidence shows that they will invade, rape and enslave anyone they can. Do you not know about the Moors occupation of the Iberian peninsula. Or the Barbary Pirates? The long and bloody conflict between Hindus and Muslims in India? There is an abundance of examples that show that Muslims are not content to stay in the middle East.
>>73687875
The babbling idiot strikes again, thinking babbling can change reality and facts. It's just a bunch of two-faced bullshit coming out of his mouth, blame the victim with some type of nonsense and make out the aggressor as the victim. Why doesn't he break down how Islam is more of an ideology than a religion.
He's basically just a fast talking idiot that thinks people buy his bullshit, a lot do though, that's the problem. If you break down what he says, it's just bullshit manipulation and twisting of words, basically bullshit.
It's infantile shit coming out of his mouth, ignore reality then just keep babbling, some shit will stink. His bullshit technique is old.
>>73687875
it hasn't made it a more dangerous place (at least not for whites), it just made it a degenerate place, it is about to get more dangerous for whites though, and that'll be america's fault, but it's not yet
>>73698412
Please do so.
I'm interested in how a religion that has an institutional way of taxing non-believers also wants them killed.
>>73698520
The Qu’ran tells Muslims that they are a favoured race, while those other religions are “perverted transgressors.”
(Qu’ran verses: 3:110, 56:12-40, 2:10, 2:99, 2:171, 3:73)
The Qu’ran tells Muslims to be compassionate to one another but ruthless against the infidel. Allah makes a strong distinction.
(Qu’ran verse: 48:49)
Allah intends for Muslims to be triumphant over non-believers.
(Qu’ran verse: 4:141)
The only acceptable position for a non-Muslim is subjugation under Islamic rule.
(Qu’ran verse: 9:29)
The Arabic word used to describe the ideal treatment of non-Muslims (shin-dal-dal) is the same word is used in over 25 places in the Quran to describe how painful Allah has made Hell for them. A common criticism of many Muslim is that they often behave arrogantly towards others. Now you know why.
happy reading
>>73698554
You are correct and I do not disagree with you here, most Islamic conflicts in history, be it from the Kurds and mountain tribes in Pakistan and India now to the power grabs that facilitated the Crusades where the result of bloody Islamic expansion by the sword, not word. What I am arguing is that American intervention, having known fully-well the history of bloodshed and diffidence towards anyone's opinion who isn't Shiite or Sunni (according to whomever's in charge of course), was and continues to have been akin to sticking your arm in a massive beehive and being stunned that the legacy of such stupid involvement still lasts to this day.
>>73690271
You mean talking in circles.
He sides with degenerates and tries to fluff them up as it's not their fault, it sells, because some people want to buy the bullshit and believe they're in shit cause big bad'ol US stole it all from them, and they're poor and backwards cause of the US, so that's why you have idiots like Chomsky becoming popular. People love buying bullshit and making themselves feel better and Chomsky has a lot of bullshit to sell them, he found a market for it.
>>73687875
I farted.
>>73698814
um where does it say to kill them all?
>>73690706
Yea he uses the failed damned if you do or damned if you don't bullshit on you, has bullshit if you help or don't, so you can't win, he has to keep his market base feeling good that it's all someone elses fault, not yours that you and your peeps are losers, the US is an easy target cause a lot of envy and jealousy towards it, especially with these Islamists who are taught that the west stole everything from them that's why they're basically 3rd world idiots now.
>>73698571
Was there any form of a logical argument as to why he's like that in your long diatribe?
This is a perfect example of how right wingers argue
>>73698989
why do you defend mudskins?
>>73687875
Noam Chomsky ruined America
>>73694765
>Robert Fisk
Look here cuck. If Soviet scum didn't start a war in Afghanistan to begin with Wahhabi Muslims couldn't take advantage of that to wage Jihad.
And if leftist politicians didn't import millions of Muslims into Europe over decades, there wouldn't be any terrorist factories period. Only Muslims killing other Muslims in the middle east. And that's good for the west.
But Socialist trash like yourself view radical Muslims as an ally against western society.
And when the day of the rope comes, you'll be just ahead of Islamists in line.
>>73687875
Is this guy still saying strings of words. Yawn.
>>73699070
There are tons of things you can criticize Islam for. You don't need to make up stuff.
>>73687875
I'm sure the Khmer Rouge that he supported made Cambodia a much safer place. We should be more like them.
>>73698520
>>73698619
>>73699192
here's some
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx
>>73699024
I'm not arguing, I'm just pointing out his tired techniques in bullshitting. I broke it down simply, not my fault you want to believe Chumpsky.
Thanks for trying to play though.
>>73699275
"It advocates violence" is not a direct quote of "kill all non-believers"
Even "Kill a non-believer if you want, I don't give a fuck" doesn't amount to "kill all non-believers"
>>73695219
Isis killed more now. Muslims have always killed more civilians.
>>73699275
People of the book who pay jizya are promised safety
Proven wrong
>>73691763
You were declining regardless. Someone had to fill the vacuum. If you didn't want the Empire to end maybe you shouldn't have fought in two disastrous world wars.
>>73699473
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing..."
>>73687875
>"In brief, the Global War on Terror sledgehammer strategy has spread jihadi terror from a tiny corner of Afghanistan to much of the world, from Africa through the Levant and South Asia to Southeast Asia. It has also incited attacks in Europe and the United States."
How the fuck did America start Wahabi terrorism that the Saudis with oil funding supported and spread throughout the muslim worlds?
He's ignoring the facts that the house of Saud funded and opened up Wahabi fanatic factories throughout the muslim world and blames it on America. They've been doing it for decade with their conservative fanatic Wahabi bullshit form of Islam. But Chomsky blames the US for one reason or another, denies the Saudi source.
>>73698900
I don't see what this has to do with what I'm talking about. I don't think we should be getting involved in local conflicts and other bullshit in the middle east but that's not what we're talking about. Chomsky asserted that without American intervention, Muslims wouldn't be trying to spread as far as possible or perpetrating violence around the world. History shows otherwise.
>>73699473
You willfully ignore how Islam was incepted, how Muhammad himself spread the word of Allah by slaughtering tribes in present-day Saudi Arabia, and the invective used by him, Sunnis, and Shiites, with direct passages from the Koran, used to abuse and mistreat nonbelievers.
>>73698039
By "we" you mean the Soviets, and then instead of getting cucked by America you'd get cucked by the USSR. There was no way out for Britain by the time WWII came around. Also you barely payed us for Lend-Lease, and almost not at all for the Marshall Plan
>>73699610
I see, in which case we've come to an agreement then.
>>73687875
>jihadi terror from a tiny corner of Afghanistan
Hey Chumpsky, there's a reason why all of North Africa is full of Muslims...
chomsky is basically what would happen if ron paul had a stroke and ended up semi-retarded
>>73699642
Western civilization was also found upon conquering and slaughtering. Muhammad just wasn't pussified cuck like Jesus.
>Yusuf Ali: The Arabs of the desert are the worst in Unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger: But Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise.
>>73689139
Based Harris does it again.
Why the fuck does the media insist on reporting the opinions of a man who while smart in linguistics, honestly has no fucking clue when it comes to geopolitics, local politics and the economy.
Chomsky's a fucking vacuum of information.
>>73699410
Arguing, spewing insults, whatever that wasnt my point you wrote a long ass paragraph and like you stubbed your toe and you're going nigger on Chomsky.
Its okay though buddy, I could tell your mother drank when you were in the womb
>>73699610
Exactly this, he doesn't target the source, a bunch of inbreds in the house of Saud spread their conservative wahabi form of Islam throughout the muslim world to more inbred 3rd worlders, filling them with hate and envy. But for bullshit artists like Chomsky, envy and jealousy sell to the wahabi indoctrinated fanatics throughout the muslim world and assbackwards thinking westerners, he basically reinforces these fanatics into thinking yea, the west stole it all from them, that's why they're like this. He will never attack the source, Saudis spreading Wahabi to all muslims with their fanatic factories cause his bullshit would fall apart.
>if you anger this group at all, by drawing their prophet in a respectable manner, by killing members trying to kill your or by not being a part of them, they'll try to murder you
>so we should blame america for angering them
>not the group itself
just shoot this commie pls
>>73687875
I long for the day when we finally grab all these fucking traitors by their throats and shut their lying mouths shut.
How can anyone not lean far right after decades of being stepped on? These people need to be eliminated.
Oy vey don't kill your enemies or they win goy!
>>73699917
stfu u pedo
>>73699879
Nice try, try again. You hurled insults and offered nothing of substance, but I guess this is just bait and I was dumb enough to respond to it. You win, congrats.
>>73699814
This isn't untrue. However imperialism and Western tenants, although largely exploitative in application, have been, I would argue that they have led to better standards of living than in almost every other Islamic-controlled territory in history, past and present. The difference between paying a hefty tax to the Queen of England during Pax Brittanica and following imperialistic rules, I would argue, would have been far more preferable to the draconian outlines of Sharia Law.
>>73687875
Chomsky is a Marxist subversive
>>73700095
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
Explain to me how the invasion of Iraq, the handling of it, and careless drone bombing have not increased the amount of terrorism in the world. Not saying that's the only reason however.
>My ideological opponent is a retard and has a one dimensional view of everything episode
https://chomsky.info/201502__/
Control F saudi arabia
>Jews ruined the world
ftfy
>>73700356
I never once stated that any caliphate was an absolute barbarian regime, nor that Islamic domains have not ever facilitated intellectual means in its entire history. However the disposition of sustained and long lasting turmoil amongst the schools of Muslim thought outweighs the benefits and consequences of their actions via conquest and bloodshed. Conversely, the Catholic Church, before you may make such an accusation, is also not undeserving of such criticism
>>73687875
>Chomsky
Every fucking time
Nice big nose, Kike.
>>73687875
>Made one of the most logical, brilliamo and beautiful Linguistic System
>he' s a leftard
Why???
>more academic respect than every /pol/ idol combined
>probably spent more time researching and writing on politics than the average /pol/ poster has spent breathing
>literally has a bee named after him
b a s e d
>>73701167
>brilliant
Fuck phone
>>73687875
>the Global War on Terror sledgehammer strategy has spread jihadi terror from a tiny corner of Afghanistan
the global war on terror didn't start until after they left that little corner and attacked America
>"When an evil spirit leaves a person, it goes into the desert, seeking rest but finding none. (Matt. 12:43)
>>73691628
Chomsky has criticized Obama too. He's one of the very few leftist intellectuals who has dared to criticized Obama
>>73689139
He shouldn't have published the email exchange with Chomsky where he showed he couldn't follow a conversation properly and instead resorted to bringing up a cartoonishly simple analogy over and over again and then pretended the person he was speaking to was retarded because he wouldn't give a one word answer to it.
Otherwise I would put more weight into Harris' comments about Chomsky.
The guy will rightfully complain about slander and simplification, but then turns around and unknowingly does it to others.
Say what you will about Chomsky, and how it seems like he should just move out of America if he hates it so much. But without him, how we would westerners even obtain a critical view of America/Western policy?
It's easier to find information now in 2016, but Chomsky has been doing it forever - guy is ancient.
>>73700425
Yea, he blames the US attacks on Saudi and Kuwaiti funding their conservative Wahabi ideology and spreading it, but weasels the US into this.
Case in point Somalia, we had Ethiopia go in and smash up the fanatics who took power and their Islamic courts, Chomsky preferred Somalia stayed backwards and Ethiopia not get involved, that the fanatics in charge in Somalia somehow brought peace to the place and people were more or less accepting it? Is he serious? Were the Ethiopians to sit around and wait till the Somali Islamists brought the fight to Ethiopia or go in and put an end to the fanatics who seized power in the neighboring country? There were fuckin foreign Arab fighters for fucks sake in Somalia. According to Chomsky this was ok, foreign Arabs, Islamist seize power, Ethiopia is the bad one doing something about it though according to Chomsky. Ethiopia should have sat around till the Islamists grew more in power with their foreign Arab fighters and brought the conflict to their country.
The reality is he paints the fanatics who ruined the place as OK and bringing some type of peace that he doesn't explain or gauge in any respectable way, so it's nonsense. Then he blames Ethiopia for going in and stopping the fanatics and foreign fighters in Somalia and breaking this peace, Ethiopia was to sit and wait for the fight to come to their doorstep when its too late. He denies reality and what comes next and faults those who get involved, the man is an idiot.
>>73698571
>ad hominem
>I i i iiit's bullshit!!!
>fast talking
Alternative' right wingers are hilarious.
>>73692301
Do you see why you need to be removed mr orangutan?
>>73690706
This
We should have watched the fuckers burn
>>73690945
>citing the gulf war as a bad thing
>>73694080
>remember who dropped the bomb
Not you cunt you weren't even a sperm in your non cis non binary faggot father/mothers scrotums.
>>73700356
>start raiding for slaves in yurop
>kick start golden age
>stop raiding for slaves in yurop
>your whole country collapses
mmmmhm
>>73702493
still mad nip? dropping a bomb the likes the world has never seen shook the globe. I'm part of the country that did it, as are my ancestors, and I'm going to continue to build it stronger. What have you done besides jerk off to kids?
How did Noam Chomsky get famous and why should I take his opinions seriously?
>>73694345
>4 years of war
>last second
Oh yeah we all totally knew the war would end in 1945 right?
Fucking kill yourself you retarded piece of shit. Why do people always bitch about us joining late when the soviets joined only 6 months prior?
>>73687875
>>73702801
You dont. His daughter works at my uni and shes as delusional as he is. She think illegals dindu nuffins for fuck sake. Talk about sheltered.
>>73702851
And when Poland got it what did the rest of Europe do? Hypocrites. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
>>73691236
American propaganda at it again, now trying to slander Saudi Arabia.
People still take Known Chumpsky seriously?
>>73702684
WE WUZ MOORZ N SHIET
>>73689432
Do you do anything besides shitpost?
I saw you in that thread all last night too.
>>73699534
this
just pay the extortion and you wont be harmed kafir
>>73702976
The European continent is filled with hypocrites
I'm fucking sick & tired of kikes blaming everything on the USA. He speaks as if his own people weren't one of the main reasons why Sandniggers are so militant. Muzzies would've left us alone had it not been for our 'best friend & ally' Israel.
>>73688124
Isn't this always the case? It's similar to how Bill Nye the Science fag is regarded as an actual scientist by the left, not realizing that he's just a comedian & an actor. Oh but the Left sure loves their actors.
I was shocked that Bill Nye only has an undergrad, lol!
>>73700356
>lock Europe out of the trade wealth of asia
>Europe enters the dark ages aka cities shrink due to lack of trade wealth and feudalism is adopted
>make a fuckton of money from ancient wealthy cities all connected via the silk road
>mongols wreck shit but the east recovers
>Europeans circumnavigate the Islamic world and discover Americas - islams dominance on trade starts to slip
>tech advancements outstrip the east and Europe starts to dominate again
>>73703367
it's basically property tax
r u a lolbertarian?
>>73702993
you're kidding, right
