Who here is religious and who is not? What is your reasoning for this? Also should church and state be separated
>>73685204
Agnosticism is the only logical path, all others are an appeal to ignorance and/or wishful thinking.
>>73685204
Polish visiting germanistan
Yes i believe but i dont fully Support the church so i reformed.
Yes behave or burn like the degenerate you are.
>>73685204
>Muh evolution
>Somehow religious people can't belive in it
When will fedorafags end this?
Also I am Orthodox.
Christian, nearly 4,000 prophecies fulfilled, archaeology, Christian and even non-Christian sources show me the Bible is unchanged (a part from slight wording through translation), I also value Christianity as its Westerna and has proper /pol/ tier values and I suggest you look up Pascal's Wager, also side note; Darwin wasn't an atheist.
>>73685519
>the Bible is unchanged
top fucking kek
>>73685351
I guess but everyone feels like you're sitting on the fence which is pretty frowned upon at least here in the united states.
>>73685457
My GF's dad is a pastor and we use to bullshit about this a lot. He kind of just doesn't acknowledge it because he's not sure how it fits in. My uncle literally seeks fights with me over this shit and I'm the most passive atheist in the fucking world. He claims the earth is only 6,000 years old.
And the only other "religious" people I know barely practice and don't really have any grounding on fucking anything.
From my experience, it seems a lot of Christians have a hard time believing in it.
>>73685969
Your memes have no power here BRbro
>>73686022
>He kind of just doesn't acknowledge it because he's not sure how it fits in
That's because he's a proteshit.
Catholics accept evolution because they're not retarded.
>>73685204
i fucking hate agnostics. you're not fucking smart for not having an opinion
>>73685351
>thinking (a)gnosticism and (a)theism aren't orthogonal Concordia concepts
>>73685457
Creationists, particularly in America reject evolution. Some politicians in Deep South have even managed to force schools to also teach Intelligent Design.
But the two aren't equal in scientific measures. Evolution is by far more proven.
>>73685204
> should church and state be separated
Yes. So first you should stop funding science.
>>73686190
catholics also think that those jesus-crackers turn into actual meat in your tummy.
>>73686022
Protestants, especially American denominations are fucking retarded. Like not pants on head but diapers on head retarded.
The church has no business talking science and evolution doesn't really dismiss anything.
Also can you please for the love of god take back your Pentacostals and Baptists.
>>73686360
Catholicism is pagan heresy.
I'm not religious, because there's literally zero evidence for any of them.
>>73686430
no shit. that's why it's called faith
>>73686376
As long as science is cult, any church or other cult has business talking it.
>>73686376
>Protestants, especially American denominations are fucking retarded.
No, evangelicals are retarded. Sure, they are protestants but most churches in the US (Methodist, Episcopal and more) adhere to beliefs unsimilar to what evangelics believe.
>>73686341
Evolution is the only one with any evidence behind it at all.
ID is just creationism in a cheap tuxedo
>>73686457
And you think the most important decisions you will ever make should be based on faith?
Would you base any other major decisions in life on that which you have no reason to believe in?
>>73685204
Non religious. Man must strive to find his own path, morals and principles, not be shackled by the law of gods
Church and state should be separate
>>73686618
go read some aquinas if you actually give a fuck
>>73686595
Yeah, ID and creationism are the exact same thing. ID just tries to use pseudoscience to explain it.
>>73685457
>directly contradicts old testament
>christfags can believe it
man religion is degenerate
>>73686704
I have, and that's not an argument BTW senpai
>>73686788
you're here to argue, not learn, which is why I'm not bothering
>>73686376
if i could i would for you buddy. I think the whole pentacostal thing from what I'm reading describes actually both my uncle and my gf's dad. Especially with the tongues shit.
I think that's what drove me away from religion, shit was scary as fuck.
I personally don't think there's a higher power ruling things, let alone create the world etc.
but I refuse to allign myself to any organized -ism
>>73686595
Yes, exactly. So to hold the position that "well they should be taught equally" must be rebuffed.
Like I said, they aren't equal by scientific measures.
I can't believe some states haven't realized this. Why is the US, an industrial democracy, being so backwards. I mean, c'mon, it's the currect anno.
>>73686819
What do you think you can teach me?
>>73685519
Prophecies fulfilled by Christ but come on it is no where near 4000
>>73685519
>nearly 4,000 prophecies fulfilled
Kek, name a single one.
And no astrology-tier shit. I want specifics.
>>73686749
> old testament
Reverse-engineered by jews. Most of the books are explicitly declared obsolete by Jesus.
> still blame christians
> still no blaming jews in the slightest
> even tho jews have their own educational system with schools and univercities implemented with their own curriculum; where they basically teach children the old testament as it is
> and then suddenly jews are the heads of science
> - nothing to see here, you racis!
>>73687091
Isiaiah 53
>>73685204
I don't understand why Islam is not banned yet.
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."
>5 pillars
There are no "5 pillars" in the quran.
>>73685204
Moi.
Christian.
Reason, God is real , Christianity works, so far I have got everything it promised. As for the pension scheme, as I have never been let down by God, I fully accept its true.
Church, state makes no difference, God's in charge of me at least.
>>73686749
>Thinks that Christians believe in Leviticus
You are an idiot.
>>73685204
>Humans are the superior beings and solely responsible for solving the world's problems
From a real atheist, the whole point is that there are no superior beings, humans are just one among a bunch of other species that came out of evolution.
>>73687194
Are we reading the same passage?
Where is the prophecy here?
>>73687377
Maybe you should find out
If this was 100 years ago, I would probably be Lutheran. Be it isn't, and much like Santa Claus, I can't believe. It's just not possible. It hurts to even try.
>>73687452
No, really.
Can you give me a specific line or something? Because I'm not seeing it.
>>73687618
>he was pierced for our transgressions
>>73687724
Seriously? That's the best you can do?
Here's a few problems with your "prophecy"
>You need to verify the time in which it was written
>You need to verify that the prophesied event actually took place
>Your prophecy is about as vague as a horoscope
Try again buddy.
Do you have any verifiable, specific prophesies? Or is "This supposedly older story in the Bible kind of vaguely says the same thing as a newer, similarly unverified story in the same book" the best you can do?
>>73687724
>a story in the Bible proves the Bible
>what is recursive
>>73687724
>There was a prophecy in the bible and it was clearly fulfilled... IN THE BIBLE YOU GUYS
Amazing
>>73687548
This.
I used to go to church on holidays as a kid and I'm baptized + confirmed as a Lutheran, but I just don't have any faith. I wish I did. The religious people I know all seem so happy.
>>73688033
>>73688007
>>73687999
>believing the bible is one big book not a collection of ancient writings
>>73688033
>>73688007
>>73687999
>the bible is one book
>>73685204
>Atheism a religion
>American education
>>73685204
>Sacred garments
>Not calling it magic underwear
This chart has Mormon bias.
>>73688233
Nice straw man, faggot. Bible literally means collection of writings. You want to try an actual argument this time?
>>73688254
Why are Christian hating cucks such lightweights?
>>73688224
drunk people are happy, high people are happy. We should not live our lives being drunk and high all the time.
When you are sober truth hurts. Most importantly the fact That your time is limited and there is no afterlife. In a way its a bitter pill but we should remember that This is our only shot and we should act accordingly to live our lives to the fullest (I mean ofc with anime and video games)
>>73688233
>Believing its word for the age and chronology of itself
>Still literally can't do any better than a mention of the word "pierced"
Have you ever heard of the term "confirmation bias"?
I want you to provide a prophecy which fulfills at the very least the following criteria:
>A specific account of future events
>Those future events being verifiable as having happened
Provide a single verifiable prophecy and I'll hand my life over to Jesus right here and now.
my goddess is Eris/morrighan/freyja.
Church and state should stay seperate, yeah. It's better for all of us.
>>73685351
Agnosticism is the religion of the weak. You don't even have the strength of character to make a choice. Apatheism is the one true way.
>>73688233
>>73688254
The point was that whoever was writing the later passages was of course going to 'confirm' what was prophecized before.
Notice how there's not one external mention of a man being raised from the dead and performing miracles?
You would think that would be worth noting.
>>73685204
No.
Almost all religions are predicated on the existence of some kind of god or deity, there has never been any evidence provided that such a claim of existence is true.
>>73689144
But what of atheistic religions? For example, Theravada Buddhism, which rejects the notions of dieties yet believes in supernatural forces, such as the Dharma.
>>73688436
>drunk people are happy, high people are happy. We should not live our lives being drunk and high all the time.
Sure, but living according to Christian ideals is a lot more rewarding for society as a whole than such behavior.
>Most importantly the fact That your time is limited and there is no afterlife. In a way its a bitter pill but we should remember that This is our only shot and we should act accordingly to live our lives to the fullest (I mean ofc with anime and video games)
This argument never really got to me. If we accept that there is no greater meaning, then "living life to the fullest" is reduced to a pointless pursuit of simple pleasures. You might as well just kill yourself. Why bother?
Do atheists really believe that evolution disproves the existence of a deity? That's cute <3
>>73689433
This.
Spirit Scientist reporting in.
>>73688862
Except the idea at the time was that the messiah would be a great warrior who would free the Jews of Roman occupation. Many rabbis believe that Isaiah 53 is not talking about the messiah but of the nation of Isreal but that's a whOle different topic of debate.
So to say that the story of Jesus was written to fulfill specific prophecies that we can only get a full understanding of after the events unfolded is obviously incorrect
>>73689501
Nice straw man.
Atheist. Not sure if there's a god, but I don't believe in one.
There isn't any conclusive evidence confirming the existence of a god. Anything that requires faith is basically worthless in terms of veracity. I'm not going to waste my entire life feeling bad for something that isn't real.
>>73689501
>Checks flag.
Not today island felon, not today.
>>73689433
The few atheistic religions tend to also believe in something supernatural and there's no more evidence for those supernatural claims than there is deities.
I try to be rational in my world view and my beliefs and that means reserving belief for things which we have decent amounts of evidence for.
I value the truth more than a value the supposed benefits from these systems such as community cohesion/stability, etc.
>>73689765
Even if you try though, is it not painful and tiring? You feel like you're lying to yourself and trying to believe what is not there.
>>73689929
That was basically how I felt until I was about 14. Nobody was ever able to answer any questions I had and always handed me bullshit non arguments, or arguments for the general existence of a creator, which doesn't prove Christianity to be true. I just got completely sick of it. Though I definitely prefer Christianity to the scourge of Islam, desu
>>73685204
I am an atheist.
I really don't mind if others believe in god and despise all those internet-atheist-warriors. All the atheist youtubes seem angry and bitter if you ask me.
I don't believe, because I really never believed. It never occured to me. My family is religious, but I never was. I never prayed. When I am having a hard time I never once thought about god helping me or effecting my life.
Sometimes I wish I believed in god, I know it sounds strange.
I will however christian my children. It is part of my tradition.
>>73685204
All religions will eventually die. The only timeless school of thought is atheism because it transcends culture and language.
It's the only "belief" that can appear naturally anywhere in the world. Religion is nonsense for children and manbabies.
>>73690170
If I was going to pick a religion I'd probably go with Sikhism desu, those guys are bros.
That or Norse.
>>73685204
Theism and Atheism are blue pilled.
Deism is the ultimate redpill
>>73690425
Deists
>There is a god, but god has no impact on our lives
Atheists
>There isn't a god, and god has no impact on our lives
Wow, so different
>>73690425
Evidence for Deism?
>>73688485
That entire passage is a prophecy of the life of Jesus christ. Not only that the several chapters before it prophecy his mission and how the Jews would react to him.
Jesus himself prophesied the destruction of the temple. This is verifiable.
Christian (Catholic). Church and State are always separated, and opposing each other secretly, trying to gain more power.
Church itself is a whole private force layer which is acting independently from governments.
>>73690668
Okay.
Now prove that:
>a. Jesus existed
>b. That prophecy was written beforehand
>c. The prophecy is specific enough to only reasonably refer to that situation
If you can even manage point (a) then I'll be impressed.
>>73685204
Please don't classify Atheism as a religion. That makes no sense
>>73690594
Deism and atheism are timeless concepts that will always exist throughout humanity. They are both stronger than any religion can ever be because they can never die.
People can believe in Jesus or Allah of Muhammad but they are timed beliefs that will eventually expire, as every single religion before them has.
This is why religion is moronic. Atheist and deists I can respect, but I just cannot respect the framework of organised religion. It's just pathetically irrational and clearly there to literally Jew your money and take political control of you.
>>73690780
A. Can you prove that he didn't
B. Daniel 9:24
C.
>The meaning of prophecies has to fit your english understanding of a translated Hebrew text.
Fuck off
>>73691049
>Can you prove that he didn't
That's a retarded non-argument and you know it.
You can't claim something was prophesied and then not be able to justify that it even happened.
>Daniel 9:24
What the hell are you even on about lel
I know a lot of rational and sane religious people, but you're way too deep.
>>73685204
I'm not
I have experienced enough religion and just don't feel like I should participate anymore
Yes, because you don't want a bunch of religions and denominations fighting each other.
>>73691033
I was just giving him shit for implying that deism was a redpill, when both atheism and deism offer the same level of comfort
I agree though, I'm sure when Islam is the dominant religion of the West they will use the same bandwagon arguments that Christians use today
>>73685204 (OP)
I think there are more than 1.2 billion atheists, and the number will grow with time until all religions die and get lost in time. This is the ultimate goal for human beings, start believing in what you see and what can be proved (science), and let faith die, as it´s just a kind of brainwashing that´s been going on for thousand of years, and its only purpose is to control people's minds (and therefore it´s easier to control every aspect of life).
I respect religious people (spain is quite full of them inquisitors..) but I really pity you guys, a you are not fully living your life, but waiting for an afterlife that will never come.
PROGRESS WILL COME AFTER ELIMINATING ALL FAITH IN THE WORLD.
Let the roasting begin.
>>73691412
>muh progress
reddit pls go
>>73685204
>tfw orthodox christian
>>73686022
>From my experience, it seems a lot of Christians have a hard time believing in it.
American Christians are much more likely to take the bible literally.
The official stance of the catholic church is that evolution was a process guided by God.
Any contradictions with the book of genesis are handwaved by saying that the book of genesis is metaphorical.
>>73691255
You can look into archeological evidence for his existence but all it does is sidetrack. Another example of the prophecy of the destruction of the temple would be dueteronomy 28:49-52
>>73690594
Atheist believe the universe self-created itself. There was no mind or intelligence behind it.
Deism believe a "God" designed the universe, set the laws and rules we know so that life and evolution could exist and occur. This "God" didn't necessary intended to create humans. This "God" likely doesn't know or even care about humans. This "God" may or may not exist today.
>>73690652
No real evidence, but then again, there is no solid evidence for the existence of a God or no God. The idea stems from the the believe that the universe and life is just far to complicated for it have come into existence by accident (this is what Atheist believe). They don't believe the universe self-created itself, but rather a "God" or some unknown force designed everything: gravity, elements, physics etc... so that life could exist and evolve. The universe does in fact have an intellectual design and creator. However, this God/creator may not have intended for humans to evolve, it likely does not have a human form, even care or know that humans exist. This creator just set the foundations. (Religious people believe a God is involved in their life).
>>73686022
>a lot of protestanshits have a hard time believing it
Fixes it for you
>>73691498
nice argument ahmed, now back to the goat fucking.
btw, enjoy the whiteness while it lasts.
>>73691679
Right, but it's logical consequence is the same. Atheism and deism both mean that there isn't a magic sky daddy and life doesn't hold any intrinsic meaning.
>>73691677
Why can't you provide a specific prophecy?
Why do they all have to be so incredibly vague that they could refer to any one of a huge number of different incidents?
Could it possibly be that they aren't actually prophecies?
>Hurr they said there would be some kind of war some day
>There have been wars since then
>Therefore a sky wizard made the universe
Do you believe in horoscopes, anon?
After all, they almost always come true.
I mean sure, they're so vague that any horoscope applies to anybody, but that's besides the point, right?
If the multiverse theory is true it solves this whole "everything is perfectly aligned so that humans may exist" conundrum.
For every universe that can support life you also have several other universes that could never support anything we have.
Every possibility is taken care of, so no matter how small the chance is that we have evolved to be exist it can be fulfilled given an infinite amount of tries.
>>73687271
To be fair, equally violent and horrifying verses can be find in the Bible. You can't ban a religion just 'cuz.
>>73687357
Except we are superior beings, just not special like religion teaches.
And evolution also implies we are much more similar to animals than we like to think. I mean, we descended from them.
>>73687548
>>73688224
THIS. Once when I was 14 and started to read and learn about theism and religion, I pondered on this subject while I was laying on the sofa.
I looked out the window and stared at the sky. And I thought to myself, "I simply cannot believe in God."
>>73689433
They're very interesting. if I had to choose a religion I'd probably pick Buddhism.
>>73692161
>"everything is perfectly aligned so that humans may exist" conundrum
Idon't understand how that ever was considered a legit argument in the first place:
What if everything wasn't "perfect", the universe and humans never came to be.
So what?
If you ever start up with the assumtion that human existence means something moreother than simple facts about the state of the universe, you're already being buyist towards religion.
>>73692131
Haha you have no understanding. You honestly think you can read through thousands year old writing not even in their orginal language and gain a complete understanding of their meaning. Everything is going to seem vague to you. Gain a perspective on the context of the writing, the differentiation of the 3 types of prophecies (law, written, and prophets), and then you can judge things on their vagueness. Why am I not surprised yet another atheist is a smug know it all dipshit
>>73691679
>Atheist believe the universe self-created itself. There was no mind or intelligence behind it.
No atheists lack belief in the existence of gods, that doesn't necessarily imply that they believe the unvierse was self-created.
Using the term "god" to implies something like "created the universe" is an equivocation, part of the fallacies of ambiguity.
A huge number of atheists lack belief in god and simply claim no knowledge of how the universe came to exist.
Deists believe those things but there's no evidence for it that doesn't require you to pre-suppose the universe itself is evidence for god, or that you can simply re-define god to mean "whatever created the universe" which are both non-sequiturs.
Arguments regarding accidents rely on unlikely probabilities and to get that you have to suppose that the universe has unlikely characteristics and that there was a small number of chances to get such characteristics, and also there's a high degree of variability. None of these things are known so you can't make argumnets about chance. It's entirely possible and there's growing evidence that there's a multiverse which contains seperate causally disconnected patches each of which could contain different types of universes with different rules, in which case probability arguments cease to be work.
Most of the properties of deism such as gods that don't listen and respond to prayer are really just trying desperately to separate themselves from traditional theists because we can experiment on intercessory prayer and prove it doesn't work. There's no strong evidence for the property of a deistic god ignores things like prayers.
Deism is certainly more plausible than theism but there's no evidence for either so a rational mind must leave these are open questions and be atheistic in belief and agnostic in knowledge.
>>73692624
Says the person who can't read in those languages, has never attempted to read in those languages and believes that literally every translation on the planet is wrong.
Here's an example of a vague prophecy:
>There will be a sticky situation
And here's an example of a specific prophecy:
>In the year 2037 there will be a tragic leak at the Hemmingsworth glue factory, killing 57 and injuring 108
But it was nice talking to you. Hopefully some of the future prophecies about the world ending and stuff won't come true too soon.
>>73686537
What an insufferable tripfag. It's like someone mixed Horsey's strawmanning with B^uckley's WORDSWORDSWORDS.
Anyways, Christian. Church and State have every reason to be separate because even within the same religion, different communities interpret things differently.
>>73692866
No pls dont run away were just getting to the fun part. Can you please give me your enlightened interpretation of Genesis 4:1
>>73693118
>Genesis 4:1
I think it's an interesting story. I fail to see what relevance it has, but I'm sure you'll claim it's a prophecy because the next section mentions Cain again.
>>73693220
Do you think it has any relation to the covanent God made with Adam and eve in Genesis 3:15
>>73685351
I wouldn't completely say that. Some people are mostly agnostic, but they feel the values of whatever religion they chose help guide them better through life.
Religion is for low IQ faggots who need someone to tell them what to do
>>73693294
Sorry mate, I'm an engineer - not a literary analyst.
If you want to discuss plotlines of your favourite books, I recommend you join a book club.
I believe in secular morality. Most atheists tend to be left wing "progressive" libertarians, but I side with conservatives on almost every issue. The only difference is I made my opinions based off logic and looking at the real world and not a holy book.
None of this shit is even a religion.
A religion is a true thing like paganism.
Not some made up kikestory.
Yes I am religious, because religion gives a very good reason for living and I had some expiriences.
State should be build opon religion, no seperation.
>>73693423
And here I thought you atheists were supposed to be the enlightened intellectuals
>>73685204
I'm an agnostic atheist but I feel like there should be no separation of church and state. I'd prefer if the whole world was of christian belief rather than no belief at all. The majority of humans cannot cope with the fact that there's nothing after death, or rather that we don't know what there is after death at all.
I'm quite passive about my beliefs though. Atheistic zealots as well as theistic zealots trying to make their points are literal cringeworthy cancer. I frown upon any form of zealotry and try to avoid discussions about belief since people participating in those tend to be extremely close-minded and one-sided.
In the end it's all about believing anyway. What you believe in, though, is dictated by the experiences you've had throughout your life and I understand and respect that people cope with things like death in a different, often wishful manner.
>>73693820
>They ask for evidence for my outlandish claims?
>They must see themselves as enlightened ubermensch with exceptional insight into the world!
I mean I'm pretty clearly smarter than you, but that's not saying much about me.
Anyway, what are you getting at with those examples? Are they another prophecy?
>>73692975
>Church and State have every reason to be separate because even within the same religion, different communities interpret things differently.
>therefore we should remove "In God We Trust" because monotheistic religions will interpret it differently.
>>73686341
>>73686537
No, it's just that everything every religion practices have a shitton of holes in it.
Christianity
Adam and Eve were living few hundred years, people are evolving to become more superior to their ancestors so why aren't we living that long even in slightest.
There is no way one person could build a fucking ark and fit all the animals in it.
The raven from that boat did not return and that means that ravens should be extinct.
Islam
Muhammad heard that words of quran and said that this was the perfect and ideal word of god yet he allowed the guy who was wiring this on paper to change whatever he felt necessary...
Just a few from the top of my head
>>73693978
Why are you asking me the questions if your the smart guy? Is it smart to mock things you know little about other than your favorite taking points of Richard Dawkins
>>73694759
You're just incoherently rambling at this point.
I'm genuinely concerned for you.
>>73692719
This nigga knows what's up. Finally someone who understands the orthogonal nature of theism and gnosticism.
>>73685204
still worshiping a normie god in 2016
>>73685204
The atheism one is the shittiest caricature of atheism I've ever seen.
>>73694049
There's an argument to be made for historical value, like that one issue a while back where someone had a problem with a large cross on public land or something. But basing all laws from one religion or another is a bad idea when the country has such a broad spectrum of religious backgrounds. Laws should be based in a common morality held and shaped by our culture and the values we hold, regardless of how they align with any religion.
>>73685204
Church and State never should have been separated in the first place. Religion was clearly the glue that kept societies together and without it we're all falling apart. I am agnostic myself (no evidence for or against) but if I was raised Christian and I knew no other way I'd be happier and a better person.
>>73685351
>>73688753
>Cucks sincerely trying avoid they don't believe in god
>>73694354
How fucking profound.
Typical Dutch atheism tard. Barely versed in the subject matter, but so unaware of your own own feeble grip that it doesn't inhibit you from spewing out the dumbest shit into the ether.
That's all old testament you retard.
If theist encounter ayyliums will they try to convert them to their faith?
Will muslims try to bomb them if they make a hologram of muhammed?
>>73695128
Is OT true? Or is the base upon which your NT is built false?
>>73695258
It's canonical.
>>73695441
So, it's true?
>>73685204
I dont believe in any religion including atheism.
Why? Because no religion has any hard evidence for what they are saying.
Yes.
>>73685204
Every proposition that there are supernatural beings that control our lives/watch us constantly to judge our behaviour for all eternity has yet to be proven therefore: Not religious.
>>73695622
>Atheism
>Religion
Topkek. Answer this question, Hans. Do you assert the existence of a god?
>>73695487
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dei_verbum
"Those things revealed by God which are contained and presented in the text of sacred scripture have been written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. For holy mother Church, relying on the faith of the apostolic age, accepts as sacred and canonical the books of the Old and the New Testaments, whole and entire, with all their parts, on the grounds that, written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, they have God as their author, and have been handed on as such to the Church itself."
>>73695258
>NT
You filthy conniving goyim violated our trademarks by profiting from an illicit sequel to our smash hit "The Bible"™
Do you have any idea how many shekels in royalties, compensation and interest you owe us now?
>>73695781
I assert neither.
The only thing about the existence of a god that we know is that we dont know.
Im not assuming anything because that would be stupid and go against every logic.
>>73685204
Anyone got that meme with the various Christian literature next to atheism and 'God is not great' in comic sans? Kills me every time!
>>73695962
So in not asserting, you are saying you don't believe in his existence. You are an agnostic atheist.
>>73696156
I believe as much in his existence as in his non existence.
Claiming god is real or not is both stupid and unscientific.
>>73695921
If u sue everyone that used merchant picture because you have the ownership/patent of it you would make millions. Think about that kike.
>>73696401
You can't half believe in something. Either you believe or you don't. You can be unsure, but that amounts to the default of not believing.
>>73696780
Im completely believe that no one knows whether or not a god exists and that any claim about that is stupid.
>>73696895
Right, but you don't need to claim no god exists to not believe in a god.
>>73697050
I do neither.
>>73697136
You neither don't believe, nor believe in the existence of a god? Explain how this is in practice possible? Have you heard of the logical absolutes?
>>73697264
>Have you heard of the logical absolutes?
No I havent.
Like in mathematics there are things that can neither be proven nor disproven and I believe that the existence of a god is a very similar problem.
No mathematician would make any statement about the truth or falsehood of any such thing because it would be very stupid and in any case he would be wrong.
Pre-Vatican II catholic masterrace
Heretics and heathens can fuck off
>>73697559
And not believing in something isn't asserting it's truth or falsehood. Think of it like a scientific hypothesis. Is an unproven hypothesis true or false? Do you believe in it? The right answers should be 'maybe' and 'no'.
>>73697806
Yes.
There is a difference between someone saying "god does not exist" and "I dont believe that a god exists".
And too many times, against everything science represent, atheist are saying "god does not exist".
Which is why i wont call myself an Atheist.
>>73685351
So do you guys believe in god or not? It's a pretty simple yes or no, you'd have to be pretty stupid, like complete vegetable who needs other people to wipe their ass for them level stupid, to not know what it is you believe. So which is it? Yes or no, simple question.
>>73686264
This, so much this.
>>73698143
If you look at most prominent atheists, they are agnostic atheists who don't assert the non-existence of some god entity. They simply say there is no reason to believe, which again is true of any unproven hypothesis. Of course there are neckbeards who don't understand this kind of thing, but they are in the unfortunately excessively vocal minority.
>>73685204
>atheism
>humans are solely responsible for solving the world's problems
the world is a giant rock floating in space
what problems does it have?
>>73685204
Ironically atheists are more prone to believe in supernatural things, remote healing, sacred geometry, quantum everything with no supporting evidence, crystals, homeopathy and other bullshit.
while i rarely see someone trying to shove christianity down my throat.
I'm completely atheist(not counting weird noises after i turn off the lights).
Could there ever be an ideology that could effectively transplant the positive ideals and products of a devout religious movement?
I can't believe, but i still want to have some hope for the future...
Catholic here, the church and state should be separate but the state should be based on the entry level of the church. If they're the same thing it opens up to the weakness in people and corruption occurs.
>>73698625
>the state should be based on the entry level of the church
What does this even mean?
>>73698455
>being this purposely dense
Kill yourself. Just fucking do it. You and all the other faggots like you just need to be gassed.
You're not clever, you're just faggots.
>>73685204
Apatheist. I figure as long as I am a good person I will get whatever the good afterlife whatever it is. If I get sent to hell or something for not worshiping God than fuck him, how was I supposed to know which one to worship?
Atheists say give me logical evidence that God exists. Logically, God would be beyond human logic and that's why we can't see evidence of him.
>>73699772
Would you accept that logic for any other supernatural claim?
Devout Evangelical Christian reporting in.
>why
I have personally experienced the Holy Spirit, have seen Him work in my life, and I have studied the Bible and it's arguments and have found them to be the most sound.
>separation of Church and state
In established counties like US, UK,... where there are established communities of other faiths, absolutely. But if we were to colonize space or something like that, I would support a Christian nation.
>>73700144
Yep. There's lots of things the human eye cannot see.
>>73700879
So, you are willing to believe anz supernatural claim. You might be the dumbest person on pol
>>73702128
I believe that if someone said they saw a UFO then I believe they saw a UFO. Human perception of reality is not concrete and what all people experience is not the same. To think that your experience of reality is the same reality all people share is foolish.
>>73702814
Have you never heard of hallucination?
>>73703887
Put on night vision goggles and you can see in the dark. Take DMT and you can see cosmic beings. Cut out your eyes and you have lost your sight completely. Our perception changes when small physical things occur. To someone who was born blind, having no eyes would not be a big deal. Do you get what I'm saying about perception?
