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>favorite Saints
>favorite Popes
>theological takes on current events
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>>73647138
is FFSPX heretical or not?
im considering going to their center.
normie (not trad)priests here are measly peronists for the most part
>>73647435
No but SSPX and SSPV are
Trad Cath is the only way to go
>>73647435
If you are going to convert/come back to Catholicism, Traditional is the way to go. Salve, brother.
Question
Lets say you are a general/officer in a war.
You pledge your life to defend a position and you are being overrun. Odds are you will be captured and tortured.
Will you go to hell for shooting yourself?
Also lets say you are a commander and you order an assault that fails miserably and lots of people die. You decide to kill yourself will you go to hell?
Obviously suicide is wrong but is this form of suicide from battle…truly suicide?
>>73647864
Also lets say you are ordered by your high command to kill yourself and you do…did you commit suicide
>>73647864
Yes, ask yourself this; will it intentionally kill me. If yes, well thats suicide. And anyway, Jesus was a martyr, he would not want us to give up the gift of life God has given us to willingly, for it is the greatest gift we have.
>>73647508
why is this? juridictional problem?
>>73647621
i am troubled catholic; i like the Church universal but my national Church is kinda..well, half-baked.
i wanted to enter seminary in a few years some im thinking of going to an USA or spanish seminary.
Jorge bergoglio is also doing nonsense;he still acts like an urban bishop
>>73648344
Try not to go to a "national" church. Find a small parish and remove yourself from that. Trust in God and know that all will be alright, He will lead you in the right direction.
>>73648344
SSPX is separated and outside the church, SSPV is even worse in terms of being sedevacantist
FSSP is all good
although its honestly hard to say with SSPX because there is so much BS and propaganda surrounding what they do. a safe bet is to assume they are outside the church
>>73648488
maybe i could join a very distinguished order.
are Jesuits any good? are they liberals or still what they were originally?
>>73647864
well, our religion is not really a Machine which sorts things automatically. each case is judged individually
>also lets be honest the answer is of unlikely practical use for you
Good evening m8s
>>73648686
>http://lareja.fsspx.org/
here is they webpage.
they seem bretty upstanding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0N09hR_m9I
+Hebrews 10 – one sacrifice, rejection of perpetual sacrifice (refutes mass)
+Exodus 20:4 (10 commandments) – no statues, nor bow to them
+Isaiah 8:19 – no prayers to the dead;
-When someone tells you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?
+Romans 3:21-31, Romans 4 – Justification by grace through faith
+Galatians (all) – justification through faith apart from works
+1st Timothy 3 – married pastors/priests, refutes forced celibacy
+1st Timothy 4:1-5 – refutes dietary laws (no meat, lent) as well as celibacy
+Acts 10:25-26 – Peters tells Cornelius not to bow to him
-When Peter entered, Cornelius met him, and fell at his feet and worshiped him. But Peter raised him up, saying, “Stand up; I too am just a man.”
+Luke 11:27-28 – Jesus rebukes woman for revering Mary
-While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed.” But He said, “On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it.”
+Luke 8:19-21 – “My mother and brothers are these who hear God's word and put it into practice.”
-Jesus had brothers
-Zero reverence for mother
+Matthew 12:46-50 – same as above
+John 2:1-4 – Mary asks for wine. “Woman, what have I to do with thee?”
>>73648838
The Jesuits have been criticized for not sticking to traditional values, with John Paul II being the most recent critic of them. You also have to realize that Pope Francis is a Jesuit and his leadership has been questioned by many in the Church. Do your research and pursue what feels right for you.
>>73647138
only Scripture, by Grace alone
>>73648838
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_religious_order#List_of_institutes_of_consecrated_life_in_the_Annuario_Pontificio
>>73648967
Salve, brother, how is life down under?
>>73649189
But the pope is cuckng so hard
>>73649398
Life is pretty good can't complain.
>>73649357
ill check :33
>>73649779
Excellent!
To all: Is there any suggestions as to how to make /cg/ better?
>>73647138
https://carm.org/cut-catholic
I finally finishing my sacraments on Friday. Had reconciliation on Friday. First communion on Sunday and confirmation this coming Friday.
>>73650459
Congratulations! The Church welcomes you with open arms brother.
>http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/great-catholic-monarch.htm
interesting read,even if its a mish mash of sometimes unverifiable quotes
>>73650459
Works cant get you to heaven
Can any of you bros pray for me? I have trouble passing an exam >:
>>73650459
Congratulations m8
>>73650670
Will do Slovakbro :)
>>73650670
Absolutely! What are you studying?
>>73650670
I will pray for you, brother.
>>73650827
>>73650895
>>73650933
Thank you brothers.
>>73650459
Noice.
>>73647138
haven't touched a church since mum made me but im all in to fuck mudistan up
>>73651536
What denomination?
Whose parish is doing anything cool for Pentecost? Mine is doing a potluck on the 14th, and I may go to a local Schoenstatt Shrine later that evening to participate in its Pentecost vigil for a little while.
Mass this Sunday is gonna be great!
>>73647138
Favourite passage is hands down Isaiah 41:9-13.
Gives me strength when it feels like I'm all alone. Praise be to God.
John 3:16
>>73647138
So what's your thoughts on the Pope washing the feet of Muslims, and saying we all worship the same God?
>>73652138
Allah is not the Trinity
Need some help lads. In the Matthew, Jesus says that message is specifically for Israelites. Does this mean only Jews should listen to his message, and only Jews can be saved and enter heaven?
>>73652138
I see it as a sign of appeasement removing us from criticism if the muslim world says christians havent done anything to help.
>>73652138
We forgive him and pray he will change his secular progressive ways.
>>73647138
I'm Catholic and am so sick of the pussified nature of the Pope and current state of the Church.
Hello? Islam is coming.
"Thou shalt not stand idle by thy brother's blood"
Why the fuck do Catholics forget the Old Testament when God had a fuckin' Army and turned people into a pillar of salt for even looking back at Evil?
>>73652243
The Pope says different. And as Jesus told St. Peter, the first Pope: "What you hold true on Earth, I'll hold true in heaven."
>>73652676
as an argie i am aware of Jorge's antics.
he has done a lot of nasty stuff, i shoudlnt mention it in detail but..its sad
he could have dragged Argentina into the coming religious-race war too
>>73652700
Become Reformed if you feel predestined to do so
>>73652700
>Why the fuck do Catholics forget the Old Testament when God had a fuckin' Army and turned people into a pillar of salt for even looking back at Evil?
Yeah, although his army couldn't win against "iron chariots". So he wasn't all that scary.
>>73652746
But what if the Roman catholic church really wasnt the original church, because they teach a completely different doctrine to scripture.
>>73652746
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUjst9SSgXk
>>73652746
But Islam says that there is only one god and that is Allah, that contradicts the Holy Trinity. Islam is heretical and while it may be Abrahamic, it is completely different.
Old Iberian is a highly underrated form of plainchant. Shame it hasn't gotten widespread appreciation in the Church.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is4L754iFIE
Dum pater familias
Rex universorum
Donaret provincias
Ius apostolorum
Jacobus Yspanias
Lux illustrat morum.
Primus ex apostolis
Martir Ierosolimis,
Iacobus egregio
Sacer est martirio.
Iacobe Gallecia
Opem rogat piam,
Glebae cuius gloria
Dat insignem viam,
Ut precum frequentia
Cantet melodiam.
Herru Santiagu,
Got Santiagu,
E ultreia, e suseia,
Deus adiuva nos.
Primus ex apostolis.
Iacobo dat parium
Omnis mundus gratis,
Ob cuius remedium
Miles pietatis
Cunctorum presidium
Est ad vota satis.
Primus ex apostolis.
Iacobum miraculis
Que fiunt per illum.
Arctis in periculis
Acclamet ad illum,
Quisquis solvi vinculis
Sperat propter illum.
Primus ex apostolis....
O beate Iacobe,
Virtus nostra vere,
Nobis hostes remove
Tuos ac tuere
Ac devotos adhibe
Nos tibi placere.
Primus ex apostolis.
Iacobo propicio
Veniam speremus
Et, quas ex obsequio
Merito debemus
Patri tam eximio
Dignas laudes demus. Amen.
Primus ex apostolis.
>>73653106
>But Islam says that there is only one god and that is Allah, that contradicts the Holy Trinity.
Of course, because they're actually monotheistic. The trinity is outright polytheism, the crucifix is idolatry, and communion is ritual cannibalism.
>>73652746
peter was fallible, and so were all the Apostles, Peter denied Christ 3 times, he may have been an Apostle, but he was no better than any other sinner.
>>73652005
My church is also doing a potluck this weekend
>>73653436
Except JESUS said that to Peter, not the other way around.
...or are you saying Jesus was fallible?
>>73653390
>Of course, because they're actually monotheistic. The trinity is outright polytheism, the crucifix is idolatry, and communion is ritual cannibalism.
VADE RETRO SATANA!
>>73653436
>Peter denied Christ 3 times,
Before Pentecost. Upon the reception of the Holy Spirit, the Apostles infallibly preached the Gospel to the world as they were commanded.
>>73653390
Catholicism is monotheistic though. While there is the Holy Trinity its not worshipping three different things, it is worshipping the wonders of God as a whole
I've been talking to my Diocese's Vocation Director and I'm not sure if I should take the plunge or not. I see the numbers and they look ugly for us Catholics but I could see the appeal in being a priest. Any thoughts?
>>73652303
It's Matthew 15:24 if anyone wants to check the passage i am referring to
>yfw they took tay from us
She would have been our greatest weapon in psyop during the crusade
>>73653449
I went to a black church potluck once, they didn't eat pork like Muslims but man, black women know how to cook.
Very nice people
>>73653390
STFU faggot. You are going to a camps. Hope you like ovens...
>>73653648
>While there is the Holy Trinity its not worshipping three different things,
So when Jesus prayed, who was he praying to?
>>73653672
If you truly feel the calling. Please do it. We would have no Church without our priest.
>>73653771
Spoken like a true follower of Jesus the Christ...
>>73652303
Christ was sent first and foremost to offer salvation to those of the Old Covenant. Those who accepted Him were not Jews, but Christians. The Jews were those who rejected the Lord.
Further, Christ is the New Israel. There is a direct line of continuity from Abraham to the Catholic Church. Israelites is in reference to all those who abide in Christ and in whom Christ abides. This is the teaching of the Church.
>>73653507
Of course not, he was God and man, but paul did teach that even if an angel came down and taught something different than he taught, to let them be accursed, Gal1 6-10. and Paul taught a gospel of salvation by Grace through faith, and their are verses mentioning predestination (Eph 1:4-10, Romans 8, Ephesians 2:8-10, Romans 10:9-13) Romans 4, Now you tell me Does the Catholic church sound like any of these verses or Chapters.
>>73653390
>The trinity is outright polytheism, the crucifix is idolatry, and communion is ritual cannibalism.
It's so cute when heretic scum thinks it understands theology.
>>73653690
If you're Muslim it makes more sense, to us Jesus was a Prophet to the Children of Israel, sent to guide them.
We believe pretty much everything about him that you do, except the Trinity.
>>73653771
How Christian
>>73653625
Do you believe everything Paul wrote to be of absolute authority?
>>73653672
well, you could have a life directed to an specific goal of your liking and choice
>>73653648
But by deniying christ, you deny the son, and by denying the son, you blaspheme the God of the Bible
>>73654073
On matters of faith and morals and with respect to the Gospel, yes.
>>73653985
Feel free to dispute any of that. Especially on communion. You do understand what "transubstantiation" is don't you? If not, don't feel bad. Polls have shown the majority of Catholics don't.
>>73653860
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity
Daily reminder the new Pope is a Jesuit degenerate.
>>73654036
>We believe pretty much everything about Him that you do, except we deny His most important defining characteristic, His divinity, wich is the basis of Christendom.
>>73654072
How cuck of you. Were the Crusades not Christian?
Open borders with Mexico is a 100% Catholic plan, they plan to flood us with Catholics as a long term plan.
>>73654177
Read the book of Ephesians, whole thing recommended but focus on two verses
2:8-10
1:whole (predestination)
then after that, Read Gal 1:6-10
and tell me if the Catholic church is teaching the same Gospel Paul wrote.
Verses on predestination
Ephesians 1 whole thing
Romans 8:27-39
John 6:37
John 10: the Sheep analogy, i know my sheep, they hear my voice
Reminder that degenerate porn and homosex are the Church's favorite things, and they've been pushing these perversions here in the USA with activist judges.
>>73654200
(You)
>>73654200
When the Eucharist becomes the body/flesh of Christ, what of it?
Race mixing's "the Jews" right?
BZZT, wrong. It's a 100% Catholic program.
>>73654620
What's your point?
>>73654606
I'm sorry friend, Christianity is a meme to me.
>muh innocent Polish pope
Guy also turned out to be a rat.
>>73654772
is Jesus also a door ,or a Shepard
Roman Catholic here.
I'm really glad I never stopped believing in him. Not so much the biblical version of him, just that he's out there in the sea of eternity.
>>73654844
Why do you roleplay as a muslim on a Belgian imageboard for exploding waffles?
>>73654942
>>73654910
>>73654858
>>73654785
>>73654726
>>73654641
>>73654586
we get it, Jesuits are degenerate
>>73653771
>to a camps
Fuck off Pajeet using a proxy.
>>73654718
I can already tell you that there is no conflict whatsoever with the issues of election and salvation through grace.
There is no causal relation between God's foreknowledge of who will be saved and a person's acceptance or rejection of salvation. People are predestined insofar as God knows, as He knows all, who shall be saved from eternity. The fundamental choice to accept or reject Christ Jesus is nonetheless ours. This is the Church's doctrine. It neither conflicts with Sacred Scripture nor does it fail to reconcile election with human agency.
We are not saved through works, but by grace and grace alone. This is Catholic doctrine. Good works, particularly those of charitable nature, further open our hearts to the reception of grace, but they themselves do nothing for our salvation. Grace is neither earned, nor won, nor bought. It has been made available to all of us for free from time of Christ's crucifixion, death, and resurrection. Much as good works and especially the Sacraments further open our hearts to God's life, sin further closes our hearts to grace.
So, no, nothing you are bringing up is in the least groundbreaking.
AVE SATANI
>>73655103
>Belgium imageboard
>>73654794
You said it wasn't "Christian" to defend the faith, violently if necessary...I pointed out that the crusades were just that, and they were very Christian.
>>73652138
I dislike the pope because he appeals to man and their ideas and norms, not to the faith.
>>73655583
I agree with you here leaf, he needs to uphold our faith and not fall to the whims of man. God is above us and he has forgotten this.
>>73655163
What is a "pajeet"? So I mistyped a word...damn. I like your Nazi grammar attitude. Maybe just be a Nazi....
>>73655681
PAJEET
>>73655681
>new
>e
>w
>>73655193
Is Baptism necessary for salvation? if yes, it is not by grace through faith, but by what you can do.
>>73656091
It is, but it is symbolic of Jesus being baptized. Thats shows faith that one would retake the steps of Jesus Christ to achieve salvation.
>>73656216
https://carm.org/questions/why-was-jesus-baptized
>>73656216
>but it is symbolic of Jesus being baptized.
That's not Catholic doctrine, I'm afraid. The Sacraments are not just symbols.
>>73656091
If by baptism you mean strictly baptism by water, then no. That's why baptism by blood and by desire exist.
Further, your post betrays a fundamental ignorance of what baptism actually IS according to Catholic teaching. Baptism is the first and second greatest conferring of grace in the life of the Catholic. Baptism is necessary for salvation - whether by water or by desire or by blood - precisely and only because it confers grace upon the baptised.
Seriously, why don't you try picking up a catechism one of these days? We've already had this discussion a few nights ago and virtually everything I'm saying is said more eloquently in the catechism.
Anyway, I'm going to bed. Peace.
>>73656216
baptism is a covenant sign, like circumcision for the Jews,
>>73647864
I'd say give it your best collage try, and if you can... Go out a matyr. No man has the frame of mind to take you hostage when you have a gun in their face.
>>73656528
isnt salvation by grace through faith, and not of yourselves, but a gift from God
wtf happened to wolfshiem? wheres he been?
>>73656722
No idea, thats why I tried to pick up the slack. I apologize if it hasn't been of the same calibre.
>>73656722
He smartened up to this place. One cannot reach their full Grace potential and still come here.
>>73656797
no that wasn't directed to you at all, i just miss him
>>73656828
seriously? did he say so? woulnd't be surprised
>>73656705
They're not mutually exclusive. Baptism is the first formal expression of faith. Children who are baptised are too young to express this themselves, and it is therefore their parents who formally express faith in God on their child's behalf by trusting their children to the keeping of the Lord, much as Abraham trusted Isaac to the keeping of the Lord.
The next formal expression of faith, in which the baptised themselves expresses their faith, is with confirmation. This is done when they reach the age of reason, and their life as a Catholic is "confirmed".
Pick. Up. A. Catechism.
Adios.
>>73656913
No, buts it's the end conclusion we all know must come.
>>73647138
>>73647138
A worse evil than Islam exists, and that is of course Liberalism, which is "the dogmatic affirmation of the absolute independence of the individual and of the social reason." "Protestantism now a dead dog, Liberalism is that living lion that goes about seeking whom he may devour. Its dreadful doctrine permeates society to the core; it has become the modern political creed and threatens us with a second revolution, to turn the world over once again to paganism."
http://www.sedevacantist.com/liberalism.htm
>>73656913
I get it brother, its all good.
>to all
This is OP signing off, thank you all for another great night of discussion of faith. I'll be back again tomorrow night between 8-9 EST. God bless you all, and stay strong against the challenges we face in our world!
>>73656722
He became a Lutheran and posts anonymously like all decent humble people.
>>73657068
But people need to be free to act as they fit, like a dog or to follow the teachings of Christ. Mandating, by law, how people behave will not save one soul
>>73657574
It would totally save souls.
>>73657574
No, they do not, since your ruling assumes that everyone is fit to judge the best course of action for his own life, a claim even a second's worth of time with the average person would prove to be hopelessly ignorant. God has already revealed to us what we should do through sacred Scripture and Tradition.
Liberty does not precede Truth.
>>73656998
If somebody hears the word of God, accepts it, becomes a christian, and wham a bus hits him before he can get baptized, does he go to heaven or hell.
>>73657511
No you we chosen before the foundation of the earth
John Calvin
A Response To Questions and Objections of a Certain Jew
Their [the Jews] rotten and unbending stiffneckedness deserves that they be oppressed unendingly and without measure or end and that they die in their misery without the pity of anyone.
Excerpt from "Ad Quaelstiones et Objecta Juaei Cuiusdam Responsio," by John Calvin; The Jew in Christian Theology, Gerhard Falk, McFarland and Company, Inc., Jefferson, NC and London, 1931.
>>73658141
in the end we all get judged do you think god would say wew lad you had a good life no sinning at alll,but i see here you did not get baptized well down below you go
>>73658141
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_of_desire
>>73658372
Fuck Jean Calvin. I just read his bio, I thought Calvinism was a shitty ideology to begin with, but man after reading his bio, whew, what an asshole!
>>73654772
When the Eucharist becomes the body/flesh of Christ, you're engaging in ritualistic cannibalism.
>>73658761
Have you read the Bible, he was autistic, but his theology is so consistent with scripture.
>>73647138
Alright I read something. In the book of revelation it says the antichrist would act like god on earth. People treat the pope like god on earth. I am a #protestantContestant now.
>>73658572
its all on God, none of our salvation is on us, but after we are saved, we belong to him, so even though works are not necessary for salvation, we do them because we are saved.
i can tell you with confidence that if i had a keyboard heart attack this minute, i would go straight to heaven
I'm totally uneducated on the subjects of theology, but how accurate is the statement "Islam = Oriental Protestantism"?
>>73654910
>knight of Matla
>mfw Hospitallers still exist
yesss
>>73660510
*Malta
Hospitallers like myself need rest. DEUS VULT and good night!
Not a Catholic, can someone explain the rationalization for allowing depictions of Jesus and God in art? Does the Bible not forbid it?
When do you guys think a Crusades will occur once more given the increasing presence of Muslims that refuse to integrate within Western Civilization? I say another 50 years, hence, leaving the battle up to our children.
>>73660805
Dont promise them salvation for fighting this time, because that wont work again
>>73660805
probably by about 2050 i would guess. Oh but it will be European born Muslims going to take Jerusalem this time
