Christianity general.
Protestants, Catholics, Orthodox, Coptic, Anglicans... all are welcome. But please, try to keep the discussion civilized.
Non-believers are encouraged to participate, but please refrain from ad hominem attacks or retarded "CHECKMATE CHRISTFAGS" tier statements.
Not welcome: atheist shitposters, Christ-hating kikes, arguments without any basis in Scripture, theology, or history
Here's a good topic for discussion: where do you stand on the Papal primacy? Does Matthew 16:18 refer specifically to Peter, or were all the Apostles considered the "rock" of the Church?
I'll bump periodically with images of Christian artwork and architecture,and also useless infographics for those who wish to read up on theology and spirituality.
Cannot hate Christians since having pretty much same values despite of being an atheist.
Just stop being so submissive before muslims ffs.
>tfw no sweet, loyal, devoted Christian girlfriend
>>73493198
I'm torn on the issue. On one hand, we have passages like :
>“The Lord is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; the God of my strength, in Him I will trust, my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold and my refuge, my Savior, You save me from violence.”
But we're also told to treat the enemy with humility, and to not worry about this life:
>But I say to you not to resist evil: but if one strike thee on thy right cheek, turn to him also the other
>>73493007
http://www.funnyjunk.com/religion/138825#138825
Where do you find a cute and kind Christian guy?
>>73493775
Church.
Death to Jesus
Atheism is the only way.
>>73493837
ebin shitpost m8 :DD
Congrats on turning your back to the religion of your forefathers. Now kindly fuck off out of this thread
>>73493837
>Death to Jesus
Yeah, that's kind of how it works.
>>73493837
>>73493910
Why haven't you homos converted to judaism. Seriously
>Strong ethnocentrism
>Hi IQ
>Big Boobaleched women
Oh god I wish I was circumcised
>>73494161
>basing your religion around what's most likely to get you laid
Are you a SJW too?
>>73493775
come to Norway and visit me ;)
>>73494283
>thinking IQ and ethnocentrism have anything to do with muh dik
Are you sure youre orthodox bro?
>>73493817
Add Endo's Silence to the fiction list.
That is required reading.
>>73493229
>tfw i have one
>>73494161
She is clearly germanic
I can't really stay but here.
http://pastebin.com/xMQ9wAwW
God bless you all for trying so hard to spread the Word.
>>73494161
Ficki ficki, good thing I got a burka in my closet.
Time to convert this sperm demon, praise Allah
>>73494711
>DR
well if the only german girls not getting enriched by jamal are germanic, i'm game
>>73494905
Sorry, achmed i don't think you recognized that olive green uniform
do you guys like bishop barron's videos?
>>73494127
Exactly this. What do you guys think about the rise of the antichrist? The figs are ripe on the tree...
Regular chruch-attender here.
serious question lads; why are people increasingly reluctant towards christianity when it is a staple of our society?
>>73495587
>His followers killed the roman empire in 1453
What??? Only 1000 years after his death
(ascension to heaven on burak pbh)
Is 'The Orthodox Way' worth a read?
>>73495587
ok
>>73495419
because most people have easy happy go lucky lives and don't see a need to embrace God.
>>73494161
>denying Christ as the messiah and son of god for some beat kike pussy
You guys ever read houllebecque? Atheism is doomed because it doesn't promote propagation of the species. The future belongs to monotheism, but unfortunately Islam is the only current religion that doesn't suffer atheists.
>>73493817
I can never find any good Christian books at the book store. I try to read the Imitation of Christ from sacred-texts, but it's just not as good.
>>73498386
>The future belongs to monotheism, but unfortunately Islam is the only current religion that doesn't suffer atheists.
>Implying it has anything to do with suffering a suicidal belief system
In terms of birth rates conservative religious > liberally religious > atheists. Christians on average (most of them in Europe being fairweather Christians with zero interest in the faith) barely have more children than Muslims. Muslims, even in Europe, routinely pump out four children per family.
Christianity might survive in Europe in the same way it survived in the Balkans: as Dhimmi's, with high perversion rates to Islam due to systematic oppression.
>>73495419
tl;dr: Post-modernism.
>>73493007
>Christianity general.
How about you fuck off our board, Christfag?
>>73493007
>Here's a good topic for discussion
No, it isn't, go to /b/ to discuss retarded topics like that.
>>73499487
>>73499660
Go be triggered at /leftypol/, window-lickers.
>>73494667
That image perfectly sums up everything that is wrong with Christianity and other religions that pander to poor and miserable people.
The prospect of greater reward in heaven over earthly virtue for its own sake is a doctrine only the ignoble could honestly follow, for they do not know any better.
>>73499949
Has nothing to do with being triggered. Has everything to do with not being a /pol/tier topic. Discussing the meaning of some bible verse is as offtopic as discussing the meaning of some quran verse.
You Christfags don't have any place but /b/ on 4chan. Discuss your religious bullshit there.
>>73500109
>You Christfags don't have any place but /b/ on 4chan
You mean /x/
>>73499949
>newfag outed
See here's the thing, if you had been around for long, you would know that the christian threads popping up constantly is a new situation.
For years there was MAYBE a handful of christian threads per month, and they were usually all made by the same name/avatarfag, so they were quite distinctive.
Even your insults are telling people to go back to a place that has not existed for very long in relation to /pol/.
You might be able to grift a few fellow newcomers into thinking that your hebrew demon means a damn to a board that exists to resist jewry, but you're not fooling anybody who matters.
>>73500449
I completely agree, but this thread is especially cancer. OP literally asks "Does Matthew 16:18 refer specifically to Peter". This is as offboard as can be. OP tries to turn /pol/ into some kind of Christfaggy chatroom.
>>73493910
> turn back on ancestors
would you say that if you were born 400 years from now?
> 2400 AD
> dont turn your back on your Arabic Muslim heritage!
Jesus was a Jew. Our heritage is paganism and humanism.
>>73493007
>>73500702
It's just spam, it's deliberate, it's to maintain a presence.
>>73500897
My heritage is Catholic nationalism.
You can go and suck odins willy if you want.
>>73499660
>tfw Anglican
Fucking hell could the church of England get anymore cucked
he guys i was hoping you might be able to help me here.
i was born in a fucking mormon familly, but my parents became atheists when i was 14, have been an atheist until i got redpilled. now i have no official religious affiliaten, and i feel the urge to change that, due to me living in the catholic bavaria, catholicism was the most obvious choice, im not entirely sure if catholicism is really the best choice because of cuck franziskus. also, wouldnt it seem kinda weird if i would just out of nowhere go to the Catholic church to get baptised, all my friends went through all the fucking rituals during their chieldhood, i dont really feel like doing all of that stuff (communion, ect.)
>>73502459
No friend, I suggest you convert the the one true and noble religion, Islam. Only do this if you truly mean it though, Allah punishes those with false faith.
Christians and Jews are one in the same, it even says so in the Holy Quran:
[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
>>73502459
BAPTIST
Kent Hovind
>>73493007
>Not welcome: atheist shitposters,
>implying they won't do anything possible to attack something they don't even think exists
If I could only pick one, I'd have Atheists gassed before Jews. They're the literal scum of the earth, and only enable degeneracy.
>>73502925
that sounds like fucking cancer, im a traditionalist, and im not gonna fucking drink grape juice out of a plastic cup, and call that a christian ritual.
>>73493643
The way I see it, Matthew 5:39 is in the context of Matthew 5:38, which is to take a complete stance against revenge
Basically, do what is just and righteous, never purely for yourself and never for personal revenge or to personally avenge God
Ecclesiastes 7:17 speaks firmly against suicide just for the sake of suicide, if it can be at all prevented by acting
>>73493817
Thanks was looking for this.
I'm Orthodox but Catholics have absolutely insane works of art.
>>73503314
You guys would too bad if you didn't have such weird restrictions on art, it's like you guys have holdovers from the iconoclasm
>>73500449
>I've been a cancerous loser longer than you have.
Wow, you got me there.
>>73493007
christianity is indian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tw7LIykvBw
>>73502713
>Islam :Drink camel urine and Worship a pedo
>True religion
>>73493007
>Here's a good topic for discussion: where do you stand on the Papal primacy? Does Matthew 16:18 refer specifically to Peter, or were all the Apostles considered the "rock" of the Church?
I would like to hear an expand on the previous, while I dont believe in Papal primacy based on the fact that Paul dominated Peter in the Actsm the MTh 16 still reamains unclear, as well as many other things in Synoptical gospels like Hell that is currently UNDER THE EARTH (lk 16).
I cant deny the fact that Johns gospel seems far more logical and theologically superios to Synoptical Gospels
thought anons?
>>73493007
>Catholic family
>Lutheran family
>both super cucked
>worship the progressive spirit and diversity
Christianity is dead anons. The left killed it.
>>73505735
Nah, the leftists and kikes wish they could kill it though.
>>73493837
Atheism is the new religion you stupid piece of faggot trash.
>>73493229
Do you go to church? which one?
>>73503109
Reformed theology. Rituals wont save you, you must be born again
>>73504502
Calvin's theology is what i find most consistent with scripture?
>>73505981
They tried, but in three days he rose again
>>73493817
Why is Left Behind (adults and the kid series) not on there? It's a fantastic read.
What's the most based Christian denomination?
>>73507878
any of the reformed theology (calvinism)
Eph 1:4-10
Romans 8:
John 6:37
>already trying Christianity Generals instead of Catholic ones
Here we go
>>73502459
Why do you care about Francis?
He will step down eventually, it's too much for the old man with such weak life view.
Catholic here, like idc about this current pope, catholics I know are serious people and good people.
Don't let one cuckold change your views because that makes you a cuckold instead make sure to strengthen your views and make sure no one undermines it.
God bless you, hope you will find your way even if it won't be Catholicism.
>>73493007
>Here's a good topic for discussion: where do you stand on the Papal primacy? Does Matthew 16:18 refer specifically to Peter, or were all the Apostles considered the "rock" of the Church?
1Co 10:4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.
St. John Chrysostom often said that the Peter/Rock entendre was to signify that the Church was built on the strength of Peter's confession, not Peter himself. "It is upon Peter's confession of Christ as the true Son of God that the Church is immovably built."
It is also worth nothing that the powers to bind and loose were also given to all of the apostles two chapters later. Mt 18:18 “Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
If the pope were to rejoin the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church he would have a role similar to what the Ecumenical Patriarch has now.
>>73507878
SSPX Catholicism
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av1uKMJ8X9w
>>73508318
Hey wolfshiem, I've question to you.
Related to my post here.
>>73508389
I don't really share world view with Francis and tend to disregard his opinion most of the time, sometimes I agree with him though.
Anyway, does that make me less Catholic? I try to be a good Catholic and I'm proud of it but his shit sometimes really annoys me, especially how he's sucking ahmeds cock and wouldn't take that Christians family because he found out they were Christians.
Why is undermining our faith?
>>73493007
>civil discussion in a biblethread where arguements are formed from a 2000 year old book that cant stand up to the slightest critique. And results to "le fedora me me" when they catch any type of questioning.
>>73508756
epic dude! Bernie 2016! Feel the bern!
>be 19
>roman catholic
>attend church each week with family
>can't find a devout girlfriend
>tfw
What do I do, anons?
>>73507987
Can i get a good understanding of the reformed theology with The Institutes of the Christian Religion or do i need a more recent book to understand it ?
>>73508558
SSPX is a bunch of heretics, isn't it? I'd suggest FSSP, it's the same thing, but they're aligned with Rome.
>>73493229
>not remaining celibate
A high-maintenance wet hole or the kingdom of heaven, anon.
>>73508878
She will come to you anon, dont force it. If you will it could be undercover double agent that poses to be traditional qt.
>>73508878
Cry like the rest of us, because literally every man in his 20s at church is doing the same thing you are.
>>73508878
Dress well for the occasion, pray honestly and keep your eyes up to the priest always. Surely someone will catch an eye on you
>>73508623
>Anyway, does that make me less Catholic?
I wouldn't say that you are in any way less Catholic but depending how you disregard him it could be of poor character. Despite his views, he is a man taught and lived in the faith and has much wisdom to say because of it. While I find some of his judgements based on poorly understood facts, it's improper to disregard him without seriously considering his argument or claims as he could be right and still teach us something.
>>73508871
>confirming the anon's shitposting
Anon don't be stupid.
>>73508756
You'll get people shitposting and you'll get solid answers to your questions too.
Roman Catholic vs Eastern Orthodox vs Anglican
Who has the best architecture, art, and tradition?
(Let's ignore the cuckyness and just focus on the ideal state of religion)
>>73509191
>>73509128
>>73509135
Thanks for the advice, anons. I'll just continue praying about it. I guess when God thinks we're ready for it, he'll let us meet the right girl.
God bless.
what in your opinion is the single most powerful argument or piece of evidence that God intervenes in our lives?
>>73509229
I'd say Catholicism for all
>>73509612
Are you the anon that attends that comfy church with ~10 parishioners?
How have you been doing?
>>73509558
Arguments, generally, for divine conservation. That's a little more than just intervening though.
>>73493007
I was born Catholic, haven't been to mass in years but I'm thinking of going again
>>73509366
>Only Christian for the women
Don't be a delusional /r9k/ faggot and read Paul. It is BETTER to remain celibate, especially in these dark times.
>>73509558
That it isn't complete suffering.
>>73509704
No that is not me, sorry
>>73509366
I found my qf like this Bro.
Went to church and constantly seen the same girl, asked her how she is and what's her name and that's how it kicked off.
Lovely being with a girl that shares similar views.
Russian Orthodox here. I like the values that the church teaches but the holier than though attitudes of some parishioners get to me. They develop this preachy attitude towards anyone who doesn't get up to their spiritual level that it pushes me away from wanting to attend services. I still believe and attempt to be a good person but it really drives a wedge when they start quoting some random passage they memorized and expect you to know and live by.
>>73493007
>Here's a good topic for discussion: where do you stand on the Papal primacy? Does Matthew 16:18 refer specifically to Peter, or were all the Apostles considered the "rock" of the Church?
I'm Catholic, devout one, I even try sometimes to evangelize people beside internet discussion, fun stuff really, so it's pretty sure that I agree for papal primacy. Bishop of Rome always been the last instance in the matter of faith. Like once St. Augustine said "Roma locuta; causa finita est".
Also, it's really the last thing that divide Church.
>>73507821
I don't know m8, I didn't make it.
>>73509229
Catholic (Latin Rite) and Eastern Orthodox (Byzantine Rite) have the best art and architecture in my opinion.
I'm particularly fond of Latin Rite Catholic Churches that still use old Roman style architecture instead of Gothic. They're usually made of brick or stone like a Roman Catholic church you'd expect, but they usually have rounded domes like you'd see in Byzantine architecture. I wish I had an example to show you.
>ITT: cucktians
>>73509984
Where you from potatobro?
>>73510111
Trips checked.
Anyways, I know the type of people you're talking about. I try to ignore them. In my experience, the preachiest people are the biggest sinners, who try to fool everyone at church into thinking they're amazing people because they're afraid we'll see past them.
Don't get angry at them, pray for them. They suffer from pride, because they're too afraid to admit they're sinners like the rest of us.
>>73510048
I'm not Christian just for the women. I want to marry and start a family. God bless men who follow the calling of celibacy, but it's also our duty to create a new generation of faithful Catholics in these dark times.
>>73509984
Go for it, anon. You won't be judged because of falling away for a while, a lot of people do it. The church isn't filled with saints, it's filled with sinners.
Good luck. :)
>>73510111
Are these AKs holy?
>>73510082
Good for you, anon. God bless you both. Any plans to marry her?
Daily reminder to turn the other cheek
I went to Catholic Mass about a week ago. Seemed nice enough. Probably would have been a lot better if I knew what was going on. Music was (literally) divine; the organ sounded like it was surrounding me, and the choir was top tier. I love my home church (Protestant), but it's nice to explore. I couldn't get my kneeling thing to open so I just sat on the edge of my seat and hoped people weren't looking at me (was in the front). Westminster Cathedral btw, do recommend.
>try talking to unitarian universalist about his views
>makes the argument that the group is not in reality unitarian or universalist but rather historical names for beliefs long-past
>says the unity between them lies in an ethical disposition to not force views on one another and to seek truth through mutual support
>ask him what the difference is between a Humanist or Muslim who believes in charity and freedom of religion and a Unitarian Universalist version of both
>skips over the question entirely
>>73510181
Jeszcze nigdy nie spotkalem wierzacego Polaka na 4chanie.
Ask yourself - what would Jesus do with all the poor refugees?
>>73510635
Turning the other cheek does not mean getting stepped on, dumbass.
>>73510635
From what I've heard, turn the other cheek was a way of giving people a chance to repent of what they just did, not just to let them keep smacking you.
>>73510692
>unitarian universalist
Those are the not-Christians aren't they?
Daily reminder the Joseph was the original cuck. God wants you to prepp the bull.
>>73510730
>Anglican Church
Is there anything about these people that isn't cucked?
> cucktianity (pc related)
>>73510812
>buttblasted atheist has nothing better to do than to shit up a Christian thread
Sad!
>>73510834
Could be worse could be Catholics
>>73510758
I would say so but the guy I was speaking to was arguing that there are such things as "Christian Unitarian Universalists" as much as there are Muslim or other ones for other worldviews.
Of course I ask why Unitarian Universalist doesn't mean Unitarianian when Trinitarian Universalism exists but he largely skipped over it by arguing that Unitarian Universalism doesn't mean Unitarianism or Universalism.
Your church will have to host the muslim migrants that came to collect your tax money and rape your women.
What you gonna do about it? Pray?
Pope loves muslim refugees more then christian ones. How much more can a religion get cucked?
>>73510954
>Unitarian
>Universalism
Not 100% sure what those means tee bee ach
>>73510337
Yeah the one that comes most to my mind right now I remember beating the hell out of his son for something so insignificant when I and some others were invited to some after party relating to lent a long time ago. He did it during the party in the room next to us all. His daughter I don't think even goes to church anymore. Not sure if it's personal or if she moved away. I haven't seen his wife either, they may have divorced. Every time I go to services he always tries to come up and tell me about how to live my life and what to do. I just remain polite and do my own thing.
>>73493007
I'd love to be civil, but someone needs to kill the Pope.
Christianity is a one big diasappointment. As you are.
>>73495419
They've dug out God from their lives and filled it with video games, meaningless sex and drugs.
>>73508946
Its simple, it was made famous by John Calvin, but these ideas were considered by many early church fathers, such as augustine, in its most simple form, it can boil down to TULIP
Total Depravity: the sinful can not seek God
Unconditional election: God chooses who he saves
Limted Atonement: christ died for the elect
Irresistible grace: those predestined by God will grow with him, and through god, stop wilfully sinning, and performing good works,
Perseverance of the saints: those who God predestined, cannot lose their salvation, for obvious reasons.
>>73511187
OK, Vaclav. We get it, you're going through the fedora teen years.
>>73510111
Don't be afraid to tell them. Rebuke them even, for they are sinning as the Pharisees did.
>>73510341
>I want to marry and start a family.
Really, who doesn't, but expecting God to hand you a woman for your faith is best left to betas and Muslims.
>>73511112
Unitarian is the belief that God is one (not simply monotheism but denying the trinity as well). Universalism is the belief that everyone eventually gets salvation.
Basically I was arguing with the guy on the grounds of the beliefs tied to the name of the group and then get told they aren't relevant and the name is used for historical purposes rather than what the group actually supports. Then I argue that the group means next to nothing and they have turned that group into irrelevant triviality by getting rid of everything unique to it. The poster stops.
>>73510419
Yes. Here's some more.
>>73511415
More
>>73510699
Większość Polaków tu to zmęczeni życiem, wypruci z wiary, potomkowie tych, co poddali się komunizmowi i eurolewactwu, ludzi, którzy osiągnęli stan tumiwisizmu tak wysokiego, że nawet nuklearny holokaust uznali by za głupi i śmieszny, nie mówiąc już o Bogu. Pozostaje się za nich modlić.
I grew up a fundamentalist Christian from the Church of Christ denomination but am now an atheist. Curious as to how many people ITT are recent converts vs. lifelong Christians.
>>73509105
M8, I'm the last of my family's line for three generations. Being celibate would mean my lineage dying out. I won't let that happen.
>>73493229
Go look for one at your church?
>>73511591
Converted from atheism three years ago, roughly.
>>73511471
More
http://www.pravmir.com/the-church-and-weapons/
>>73511629
Same
>>73511387
kek that's not even Christianity then is it? Good job fighting the good fight.
>>73493007
All of them where the rock. And no a play on words does not give legitimacy.
The fact that Peter was not the rock is showcased by the lack of implication in many of the post Jesus Apostolate meetings.
Fellow Christians of /pol/:
How the heck do I stop masturbating?
>>73511591
Reformed Protestant, 23 years. I've been going to the same church for all my life (I'm 30 btw) and our congregation has been steadily growing.
For the record Jehovah's Witnesses and LDS need to get the hell out of here and take their tainted bible with them as well.
For anyone looking into Christianity I cannot recommend enough just plainly reading straight out of the KJV and watching pod casts by James White and other reformed theologians.
>>73511932
Don't sit alone on the computer for more than an hour at the time. If you are busy you will be OK.
So just keep yourself occupied.
>>73510181
>>73510699
>>73511522
Polish visiting germanistan
The Problem in Poland is that the Polish youth is trying so hard to be Western. They dont see that they Support parties that did put us in this backward situation.
And also a Protestant Poland would be better. 95% of Poles never touched the bible.
>>73511932
1. When looking at women, generally, don't look at their individual body and parts but look at them in relation to women as a concept or as a collective.
2. Pick up a physical activity.
3. Realize that the self-discipline is actually for your own personal improvement (happiness-wise and otherwise) like most other teachings.
4. Play Katawa Shoujo.
5. Realize that the Catechism refers to masturbation as "the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure." so the experience of wet dreams and medical uses for it are not dealing with the issue here.
I bet you all couldnt even say one prayer here w/o looking it up.
>>73511932
Are you born again?
Can you guys do my Sociology project so I can go Uni? I don't care if you're not british
Survey here: https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/CWGFHPY
The Golden Rule has turned against us. It's mutated into universalism in the modern world.
This is destroying the Western world. For god's sakes, the Pope is kissing Muslim's feet and promoting open borders across Europe.
Might be time to reconsider, or at least recast, things. I think revisiting Kiergaard's conception of Love Thy Neighbor is more important than ever.
>>73512199
Hail Mary, full of grace, the lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
I best you can't say three prayers that aren't Jackie Chan.
>>73493007
I'm christian Orthodox but how can you people(reffering to the entire Population of Romania right now) be such devoted christians yet ignore the parts you don't like such as no sex before marriage, cursing, fighting,etc? Everyone here does this shit and then fasts for a month because they are such good christians, i do it too but i'm just calling myself christian because says i'm atheist=satanist here
If you don't know how to pray or what to say, I suggest some novenas, short but efficient prayers :
http://www.catholicdoors.com/prayers/novena.htm
God bless.
>>73511591
Use to be non-religious, converted nearly 2 years ago.
>>73511932
Prayer is a big one. I personally made a promise to God not to do it, so I have some accountability. If you feel like you're about to slip up, read some relevant bible verses (google it) or just get up and go for a walk.
>>73512199
>w/o looking it up.
What do you mean? Prayer is intimate conversation with God, I don't need to look it up.
>>73511522
Kurwa co
If you don't identify with the Calvinist Baptist Puritans, you are a pagan and hate Jesus Christ.
>>73493007
i dont want to live on this world anymore. Niggers ruining society, muslims taking over the world literally, corrupt governments.
God give me the grace and patience to see this life through. is there anything, i can do Oh Lord to make this life better for myself and those around me?!
>>73512386
It is not the Golden Rule that is the issue. It is the lack of focus on the good and a misinterpretation of whats going on in the world. People can do unto others as they want done onto them but without a focus on to seek that only illuminates so much in terms of social cohesion and without grasping the situation at hand people are quick to fail in their application of the Golden Rule rather than making the Golden Rule the issue itself.
And Love Thy Neighbor is still extremely valuable.
>>73512129
>the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure."
Says who?
>>73511674
>>73512708
That explains a lot. In my experience I've found that adult converts are generally the most intense, because you have to work a lot harder to convince yourself that it's real when your mind is much less malleable. Thanks for the responses.
>>73513008
The Catechism. That is the definition they are running with. Your answer is the subject of the sentence you're quoting from me.
>>73511591
Roman Catholic > Fedora atheist > Christian
>>73511629
>I won't let that happen.
He said, as he complained on the internet while posting weeaboo memes and begging God for non-existent things. Godspeed you vain bastard.
>>73511932
You'll get nowhere by placing masturbation above the 101 other vices you have to struggle with in life. Take it as it comes and always ask for forgiveness in prayer.
>>73511314
Kek that made me laugh
>>73511187
Wow I've never seen someone so butthurt. Your life must be shit senpai
>>73513156
>nice enough to answer your questions
>decide to be backhanded
Why? Well fuck off then. Some honest discourse would be nice.
>>73513169
Sorry anon, Roman Catholic is Christian. They believe in the judeo-christian god, the trinity, the divinity of Jesus and the resurrection. That's the bare bones essentials of Christianity.
>>73513287
Backhanded? How? I was just seeing if anon posts generally corroborated with something I noticed in real life.
>>73512883
>Niggers ruining society
>being a racist
>"christian"
>>73513546
>Roman Catholic is Christian
Nope, they are pagan
>>73513782
Is it fun to shitpost?
As a Christian and a nationalist this question is always bothering me.
I do not want Muslim migrants or other undesirables (godless communists, Jews, etc...) in my country, but there is no theological justification it seems for turning these people away and defending our land and traditions from these supposedly "peaceful" intruders.
So what is it that I can do? It seems the more I read into this problem the more it seems my nationalistic political views are contrary to Christianity as a whole, but I've seen what happens to these places in Europe who suffer from Islamic and secular leftist influence and I don't like it at all.
Is there some way to reconcile nationalism with Christian theology? Am I just looking at this the wrong way?
I'm protestant by the way.
>>73513650
Oi there's nothing wrong with saying certain elements should not be part of society.
I mean Jesus himself was anti semitic, what's wrong with that.
>>73513922
>is no theological justification it seems for turning these people away and defending our land and traditions from these supposedly "peaceful" intruders.
because they're fucking kill you and rape your daughters. Sounds pretty legit to me.
Yeah you're in the right my friend. Anyone that does harm, must be reconciled by a harsh word and a stern hand. Do you not see Jesus in that picture you posted? Where there is wrong you must stand up against it and purge it!
Muslims have said "we will dominate the world". Make it Jesus that dominates the world., with love, as opposed to their malice.
>>73511591
I was an agnostic because of "science" as i thought and how it disproves religion in my high-school years. But then i finished high school and i'm now in my first year on university. Since i finished high school and had some extra time i started studying a bit of philosophy and that hooked me right into Christianity. I became a Christian again about 9 months ago.
>>73511591
Catholic(french tradition) > atheist > hardcore atheise(nihilist) > agnostic > christian liberal(muh love) > catholic(muh tradition) > reformed > Deus vult reformed(pol influence)
>>73513628
I suppose I was taking poorly the idea of "convince yourself that it is real". In terms of needing more evidence and thought behind it, you're definitely right, but I was taking it as trying to imply a kind of self-induced social conditioning. My issue with the latter being that new converts come into it with interest rather trying to force themselves.
But I realized I may have misjudged by what you said and sorry if that's the case.
>>73499487
>he thinks ridiculing religion is politically incorrect
lol reddit, dont cut yourself with that plastic knife
>>73513922
Surprise, you can't. There is no theological justification for anti-immigrant nationalism in the Gospels; the closest you will find is "render unto Caesar".
Jesus consistently espouses the message of peace, acceptance, love, tolerance, and turning the other cheek. Others in the Bible may see differently, but if you're going to look to the OG, you won't find anything about hating "degeneracy"
>>73514035
my friend. i may be crass and use bad language, but Only to emphasize my points, but thank you for the support. I do the best i can, but sometimes you cant ignore the problems at hand. Take the harvest of the orchards, but prune that bad fruits. We have no other choice.
>>73513782
This
>>73513879
No. There can be no demi-gods and you can only pray to Christ/God.
Praying to Mary, any saint, a can of peas, whatever, violates this principle. While they do admit that God is above all else, they in fact are heretical in their religious behavior.
How important is it to go to church?
if i read the Bible and believe in God, is it enough?
>>73511591
I was culturally Christian, became an atheist for philosophical reasons, and then gradually converted to Christianity over the last four years as I realized the philosophical reasons were specious
>>73514258
I don't hate "degeneracy" I just want there to be as little sin in my country (ideally the world) as possible. With these Jews in the media industries pushing homosexuality and "free-love" nonsense onto every media format in the world and Muslims coming and setting up their little Mosque viper dens all over the place and preaching of a false prophet then I feel very inclined to remove these people by force if necessary.
>>73514213
Sorry, that's what I meant. Generally adults are more skeptical than children and require more evidence. Therefore it becomes more of a "leap of faith" to convert as opposed to when you are raised in a religion.
As a child, why would you ever question Christianity if your parents tell you it's true? You look to them for guidance in everything, why would they lie to you?
>>73514353
http://pastebin.com/ATQnpVfe
Book of Enoch?
Yes/no/heresy
>>73514615
Right, sorry again man.
https://youtu.be/NMLB7OcH-0Y
>>73514665
Pretty sure its heresy
>>73514519
But why is it your job to make sure others don't sin? Doesn't that kind of interfere with the whole freewill thing Christianity likes to hold out?
Just worry about yourself and let others live their life as they see fit. As long as they aren't hurting anyone else, you don't have to worry about it
>>73513546
Forgive me, It wasn't my intent to insult Roman Catholicism. I was only trying to say that I'm not quite decided on what denomination I'm in as a Christian.
>>73513650
>Tower of Babel
>>73513922
>Tower of Babel, again
>Jesus cleansing the temple
Every man and race are equal under God, BUT GOD ONLY. Care and love other races at a healthy and mutually beneficial distance, but if those fuckers start to shit on your home or culture fashion a whip and do what Jesus would do.
360 panorama of Orthodox Easter Service in Moscow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSwRcB4msRU
>>73514855
By giving people the knowledge of how to be good it ups the benefit and risk.
A dindunuffin that doesn't steal, but doesn't read a bible, is basically good as long as he has zero awareness basically.
Someone who understands the Bible and does good is rewarded more, but also held more accountable. It ups the scale.
>>73514855
>But why is it your job to make sure others don't sin? Doesn't that kind of interfere with the whole freewill thing Christianity likes to hold out?
Christian teaching upholds fighting evil generally. The very idea of leading a life of love would mean to will the good of things and that would mean rejecting and trying to work against the problems of others. But of course that is difficult when we struggle with ourselves as well so working towards the good should be for all things, including ourselves.
This doesn't interfere with free will and legalism doesn't change the hearts of people. It just restricts certain movements from being done openly.
>>73514665
Historically it's a text that is very well preserved given how old it is...much like the Gospel of Thomas. In my opinion that should count for something.
Did you know: The Gospel of Thomas is just as old as The Gospel of Matthew?
>>73514855
>But why is it your job to make sure others don't sin?
Firstly, because Jesus made it his job to reprimand sinners and attempt to bring people closer to God, I feel, as a follower of Christ, that I should also do this.
Secondly, because turning on my television or just walking outside and seeing such things as barely clothed, scandalous women prancing around or other orgiastic, carnal nonsense these Jews love to blast across the airwaves actively tempts me personally into sin, or even causes me to sin without even thinking about it, thus I have a personal issue with these things as well. It's like trying to diet while someone maliciously throws donuts in your face every 5 minutes.
>>73493007
SOUP
>>73515204
>Christian teaching upholds fighting evil generally.
Hmm, I'd love to see a scriptural basis for this in the new testament. The OT is full of that kind of language, but that's really Judaism; Jesus says he has come to abolish the old ways and bring in the new, so we can't rely on slaying Amelekites as a basis for how to conduct ourselves
>>73493007
I think that the pope is a bit too socialist for our religion's own good at the moment, I think it would be unwise or dangerous to give him complete power over the entire Christian Church at the moment...
I think regarding Matthew 16:18 he was referring to all Apostles as the "rock of the Church" since "Peter" in Greek is translated to "Rock."
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+16%3A18 source
>>73514444
You need to get baptized and you should go to church on Easter.
>>73510730
nigga would take them in in a heartbeat
>>73514444
Sweet baby jesus, nice quads.
You'd have to go to church a few times a year, at least gain the feeling of the Christian community.
>>73515283
>It's like trying to diet while someone maliciously throws donuts in your face every 5 minutes.
No offense but that's kind of a weak argument. The struggle will always be there, donuts will always exist. Part of your goal should be discipline and self control. I struggle with eating too much, but I don't blame my workplace when there are donuts and cookies on the file cabinet every day. The blame lies solely on me.
>>73493007
Presbyterian here (Afrikaner, ignore flag)
Can someone explain to me why anything else - aside from accepting Jesus Christ - matters? In reference to practices, customs etc
Christians are too cucked now to fight Islam
as anti-theist would cooperate with anyone
to bash on Islam
>>73502713
Catholics are not Christian. Go worship BA'AL filthy apostate.
Methodists everyone.
>>73504502
To the not only the apostles, but the church as a whole. Even today. Remember, the church is the bride of Christ. And all who believe in The Most High and keep his commandments are the church.
>>73515569
>Easter
Pagan
>he calls himself a christian while being anti-semitic and/or racist
>>73514444
Technically yes that is enough. However your spiritual progress would be greatly hampered.
>>73515076
Ignorance of the law is not a valid defence anon. That's why evangelism is so important.
Why would Jesus have revealed the gospel if he could have kept us ignorant and saved us all?
This idea of passivity in the face of immorality is one of the most destructive things a society can develop. I'm sure you've heard "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." and current western society proves it.
>>73515526
Matthew 29:19:
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
Romans 10:13-14:
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?"
>>73516215
Baptism is also required.
>>73510730
1. They were not refugees.
2. Joseph was called to Bethlehem and had to bring his wife Mary with him.
3. The hotel was full and so they just got a lesser room.
4. Jesus does say to help refugees.
5. But he also says Luke 22:36
"He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."
I genuinely believe Jesus would protect us as he died for our sins so we may be saved. I don't believe he would let us be slaughtered and forced into slavery at the hands of our oppressors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixltimlD9UM
>>73516109
Shut up Protesto fag and Atheist Enabler and close the PC and fight Ahmed.
>>73516314
Untrue. John 3:16-18:
16“For God so loved the world,i that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. (ESV)
True faith in Christ is what brings salvation. Baptism is a public display of said faith.
>>73494161
>Strong ethnocentrism
>Hi IQ
Hi!
Israel IQ is lower than most European nations. The first one is their fault as well; for they do not value values above survival. They may just be machines - an existence for the sake of existence is not worth living.
>>73500897
>Australia
I'll just say that paganism and humanism are cancer on humanity. Nobody wanted to worship Greek pantheon - the gods were dicks! It's like worshiping Justin Bieber who could kill you.
>>73516289
>Christianity upholds fighting evil
>Where does it say that in the NT?
>Go and spread the word to convert others
???
>>73516541
This is the part where the other anon shares all the passages from Acts where it says stuff like "and then all of them were baptized that day and saved"
alright guys, real talk. are Jehovahs Witnesses and the LDS Christians?
>>73515526
I only need quote Matthew 25:40 and the likewise Matthew 25:45.
What good are we to do for others if not an escape from sin? If we are all one in God how do we see God in all things if we separate one another?
>>73516738
No.
>>73516721
They baptised to show their faith. They were saved because they believed in the Gospel.
>>73516738
Absolutely not. Jehovah's Witnesses Don' think Christ was divine (I think), and Mormons think that God is some ayy lmao that got gud enough to make his own planet with has own race. Jesus was the first offspring and Satan the second.
>>73516535
>not accepting pagan beliefs
>atheist enabler
I bet you even believe in evolution, atheist enabler.
>>73516738
They are faggots. So are pentacostals, and baptists and mormons. And can you please for the love of god take your faggots back?
>>73516541
Acts 2:38
>>73516183
Not to try to argue for against any common /pol/ views, a Christian is not without faults that need be wrestled with. No one but biased skeptics expects sainthood from Christians uniformly.
>>73516633
>converting others to Christianity
>not fighting evil
It may not say "go fight evil", but it certainly tells you to go spread the thing that fights evil. Is that understandable?
>>73516738
Absolutely not.
>>73516541
Austin 3:16 says I just whooped your ass
Human life can be explained without magic or christianity. There is literally no need to pretend it's completely mysterious and unknown.
>>73514631
not Catholic, this is a very good link for people and I'm going to start using it
>>73517207
As far as all apostolic faiths and I am concerned, we're asking bigger questions than that. There is no reason to begin speaking of intelligent design as it runs off of poor teaching to begin with.
>>73517343
Have the rest.
http://pastebin.com/u/wolfshiem
>>73517207
>UHUWOOHOO BILLIONS OF YEARS AGO MINERALS DECIDES TO BE ALIVE WOOHOUHOO
Atheist religion is most stupid religion ever
>>73516997
I called it!
>>73516823
Okay I can see that. So you help out your fellow man when they need you. But if someone's gay and perfectly happy about it, why bother them? Responding really to the original anon who was taking about the gay liberal media
>>73516738
It's fascinating to me to watch those groups break off from Christianity, because it's exactly how Christianity started. During the first 200 years after Jesus, Christians to outsiders were just "those weird Jews that eat human flesh and drink blood." The exact same thing is happening with Mormons and to a lesser extent JW. They undeniably came from Christianity, but they are now struggling with how to identify themselves. Mormons have always maintained that they are "Christians just like you!", while JW don't seem to care. It's very interesting to watch the evolution of religions.
>>73516109
>>>73515569
>>Easter
>Pagan
this fucking meme
>>73517566
There's a reason no one is replying to you in this thread.
>>73515775
You're taking an analogy too seriously, there's nothing wrong with eating sweets in moderation, but a single sin can damn you to Hell and I find it completely unacceptable that it is so easy to stray from the path to salvation in our society.
>>73517207
No it can't. I do accept evolution cause i'd be dumb to not accept it. But how did the first self replicating cell arise? Only answers i've got was 1) Crystals or 2) Aliens did it.
Now, i personally find these to be way more ridiculous than God.
>>73517656
You bother them because they'll go to hell if you don't. Do you want to condemn people to hell by facilitating their sins instead of helping them to overcome them? As a Christian, I don't.
>>73516183
The modern "Jews" area Pharisees, of which Christ had absolutely no respect for. Christians are, technically speaking, the real "Jews".
>>73516997
cba desu http://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-Acts-2-38.html
>>73517745
Sure there is.
I'll just throw this in for fun.
People like this stuff.
>>73517772
>a single sin can damn you to hell
Not if you ask for forgiveness and are sincere about wanting to change. The only unforgivable sins according to scripture are Suicide and ceasing to believe in God. So I'm fucked, but as long as you repent you're good. I think you're a little stressed about this whole thing.
>>73517838
Kekkiokek
>>73517816
I understand that, I really do, but at some point you have to realize that you're simply not going to change anyone's mind by constantly haranguing them. You should draw people to you by being a good example and content with your righteous life. I mean definitely let people know about the good news, but if they're unwilling to accept there's simply nothing you can do.
>>73517926
By the way, it's funny how most left wing people apply to every single level in hell.
>>73517988
We can't take sin lightly just because repentance is possible.
>>73518157
>you're simply not going to change anyone's mind by constantly haranguing them
Jesus did quite a lot of haranguing and was quite successful.
>>73518215
No, but you're not going straight to hell for jerking off once because you saw some chicks in bikinis in a movie then confessed and asked for repentance the next day.
You can't expect the world to bend over backwards for you because you don't want to sin, which is a completely arbitrary concept in the context of your specific religion. In fact, I would argue that this mentality is the EXACT same thing as Muslims demanding Shariah law in western countries.
>>73502362
You should probably convert,
Your whole church is based around a guy who was pissy about not getting a divorce
>>73517566
>Okay I can see that. So you help out your fellow man when they need you. But if someone's gay and perfectly happy about it, why bother them? Responding really to the original anon who was taking about the gay liberal media
Ah, I see. Well then I must remind you that people being okay with things does not make it the good nor specifically good for them. But for the case of homosexuality while we have nothing efficacious for the orientation itself (what has been proposed has been dangerous and horrendous failures) it must be reminded that the sin associated with homosexuality is not one of orientation but the older term which refers to homosexual sex and those who do it.
>>73502459
Ignore Franko
First Church
>Best Church
>>73518296
I mean I wouldn't really call it haranguing, he kind of just strolled around town and the scenic countryside talking about stuff to whoever would listen
