Hi; I saw a thread yesterday that asked about /pol/'s thoughts on Venezuela's situation. As a fellow venezuelanfag I felt really good at reading all the support from people round here.
As many of you know, Venezuela is living a terrible crisis on... Well, basicly everything. We have no security, no justice, no electricity, no food, no medicines and pretty much no future. I was born in 1997, one year before Chavez was elected President. I've never seen how a democracy really is, I've only heard stories about how better things were back when Chavez wasn't in the politcal agenda; everyone says "It wasn't perfect, but it was better than this"
Anyway, I actually might die today or tomorrow or whatever. I have no way to know what will happen and, I'm not gonna lie, I fear for my own future and my beloved one's too.
I resolved to, unlike other venezuelan youngsters, stay here and fight until they leave the government or until I die. Young people have already died, some have been tortured and pursued. Sad thing is that history might forget their names eventually and their sacrifice be forgotten.
So for that reason, I came here to share with you stories from what's going on down here. So my story doesn't gets forgotten by the world, so my words stay with, at least, those who are reading this.
>>73431127
Please share. I am very interested.
>>73431127
Fight? How are you going to fight back?
why are you speak perfect english
very smart for unnourish child
>>73431127
Idealism never triumphs. Just give in and ask Colombia to annex you.
>>73431127
Has OP been blackbagged?
>no proof your not using proxy
>no replies
>>73431127
Porfavor dilo en el idioma que quieras but tell us
>>73431696
Venezuelan intellectuals who stayed instead of running away
same with South Africans speaking very good english
>>73431952
thats a terrible idea
Colombia will have a worse economic crisis
We could take care of your brown qts for you.
>>73432182
Lowest common denominator eh?
RIP
>>73432123
this is a very funny statement no idea why
Is OP still here?
>>73432123
>>73432467
>>73432736
>>73431127
Nada personal pero la culpa no la tiene Chavez, la tiene cada uno de los venezolanos y sobretodo Simón Bolívar que iba por ahí pensando que una colonia sin casi población blanca iba a poder ser una nación rica.
Pase lo que pase si lees, o por lo menos te informas sobre la relación entr el IQ y la riqueza de las naciones veras que venezuela está condenada a la miseria. No es el sistema amigo mio es la gente.
Pero no te preocupes en el momento que Maduro se vaya a tomar por el culo veras como el IBEX 35 viene de visita, preguntaselo a los cubanos ellos ya saben como funciona el juego
>>73431511
Hi; I'll start off answering your question. As a matter of fact, I'll answer all questions you want :).
I have been a political activist since my whole life. My parents were and are today. Dad got expelled from college after the goverment pinpointed him as a leader of opossition in the early days of Chavez' regime. Historically, students are threats to dictatorships in this country; they overthrown Marcos Perez Jimenez and Juan Vicente Gomez.
I received my first taste at tear gas when I was 5 years old, during the coupe of 2002; was walking down the street, some opossition suporters where singing the national anthem; mom was with me and recognized some friends, went closer to say hi; the National Guard showed up and started shooting at us. We ran; barely got it out. I have a scar on my arm, mom says it was a rubber bullet that got me slightly; nothing serious, thankfully.
I've been in almost every political process as a volunteer; I now am part of Voluntad Popular, a political party of oposition. Just a week ago I was a volunteer for the revocatory referendum sign request.
I've also participated in almost every march, walk, protest, etc. In my city. I've read Gene Sharp's manual on defeating dictatorships and I believe in the power of non-violent political struggle.
>>73432736
Internet conection down here is very slow; sorry if I take some time answering
In top of that. Most Venezuelan's can't post on 4chan because for reasons unknown Cantv (ISP) is blocked on 4chan.
I'm using meshtel
>>73432886
I know my friend; I believe in improvement of education to prevent future psychos from taking over the power again.
Lo sé amigo; creo en la educación como método para evitar que demagogos, populistas y caudillos se hagan con el poder nuevamente
>>73433117
Glad to find another venezuelanfag; thanks for joining!
It's true, some web pages are blocked by some reason. Can't say it's the Gov, don't have evidence. But c'mon, it probably is.
>>73432886
>Simón Bolívar que iba por ahí pensando que una colonia sin casi población blanca iba a poder ser una nación rica.
Tienes el cerebro lavado, maricon
Quienes eran los germánicos antes de los romanos?
Huh
Eran basura andante
No necesita a los putos germánicos para progresar, sólo el querer hacerlo
Vete a la mierda con tu blancura a Dinamarca germanico de mierda
>>73433298
Calma, calma. No hay porque discutir. El odio y la falta de diálogo han destruido mi país. Familias se han divido por culpa de colores políticos e interpretaciones de la historia.
Simón Bolívar está entre mis heroes históricos, como cualquier venezolano, le tengo en alta estima. Aunque sé que el hombre no era perfecto y sí cometió algunos errores. Además, entiendo que algunos españoles puedan verlos con ojos diferentes y respeto eso.
Venezuela. You guys are much better than Cuba. Have a lot more than Cuba. Couldve had it all. Except you guys fell for the order of death. See when Fidel took power he made sure to get some of Cubas past and burn it and today Cubas history reflects more on united states history than it ever did with latin america. It is said venezuela separated with 6 other countries at the time of independence. But everyone says it is not so because the academic depts and internet say is not true. Get the name Columbia and use this number 3 2 2. Keep the C and use the numbers to Locate the position of letters within the word...C U B A.
>>73433298
El tiene un poco de razon, La mayoria de los negros en este pais solo trabajan para tomar licor en el fin de semana y tirarse con cualquier puta a la cual la dejan preñada. No invierten en un negocio estable. No buscan ganancia no emprenden. Mucha de la poblacion venezolana no emprende, Solo vive en el presente y estan pendiente de cuando es la proxima rumba.
He had some true in his words, most of the Black people in this country just work to drink booze on the weekends and fuck any hookers, they don't seek profit nor try to better their situation. They just live on the present and are only wary on where's the next party at.
>>73433454
No leíste lo que el escribió?
El dijo que sólo los germanicos(blancos) puede crear un país civilizado y que todos los demás son estupidos
>>73433298
¿por qué os gusta tanto usar la "analogía" de los romanos y los germánicos?
No es lo mismo comparar una cosa que pasó más de 2000 años atarás con algo que pasó hace 300. Lo puedes comprovar por tí mismo, mira Bolivia, un país con 88% de población europea y con IQ a niveles de europa del este esta mucho mejor que Haití un pais constituido por esclavos.
Por dios si en Haití comen galletas de barro..
>>73433669
The problem is. we're fighting a system which makes the poor believe the goverment are their allies, only those that manage to somehow climb themselves out of poverty start to see all the obstacles the goverment places so you stay ignorant and poor. Which makes them easy to brainwash and handle.
I will start off sharing a photo that represents my daily routine.
What you see there is a bus in Caracas, capital of my country and my birthplace. The people hang from the doors because there is no room and there aren't enough units to cover the population of travelers. This is an everyday routine to go to college and work.
I actually live in Valencia, the Industrial city of Venezuela. Things are way worst here, cause in Caracas they have a Subway/Metro that helps covering the demand. Here we have Metro too, but it works awfully ineficiet.
The reason for this is that there are no spare parts for cars and buses in the country; industrial productions are crashing, cause the only company that makes iron/steel materials is at goverment hands; it works awfully. The materials needed then, must be bought outside, and only the goverment can use USD to buy stuff. So repairs are very costly, which also causes that prices skyrocket. A good part of the minimum wage at Venezuela is spent only in transportation.
>>73433830
Sigue siendo mierda
Y eso pasa por que ellos no tiene una educación y el país no tienes buena economía para emprender un negocio
El es un ignorante
>>73433283
Psst, you wanna buy some Freedom, kid?
>>73433864
Te han educado muy mal he.
Japón no es un país blanco y europeo pero aún así tiene un estandart de vida superior a la mayoría de europa.
Tienes la mente cerrada en "los blancos son malos, son el origen de todos los males"
>>73434065
No soy un ignorante, He estado en este pais suficientemente para darme cuenta lo que pasa a mi alrededor.
y nunca he apoyado este socialismo de mierda. lo he combatido desde su inicio.
>>73433876
No entiendes
Siempre digo eso por que los germánicos piensan y actúan que ellos crearon civilización y son los mejores, ellos olvidan que ellos tienen conocimiento gracias a los romanos y que son la prueba viviente de que cualquiera puede aprender civilización
Bolivia no tiene 88% de población europea y Haití fue invadido 2 veces por EEUU, por que?
Para poner sus titeres
>>73432123
>venezuelan
>intelectuals
>>73434165
If you want to keep your freedom you better make TRUMP win the presidency. Do not let that fucking commie shit of Sanders nor the Crooked Hillary whore win it.
Have you a link to the thread you are mentioning in your OP post, OP?
I'm Venezuelan too, I get a German flag thanks to what I use to post because Cantv is banned.
I have a few online friends and the thing I have the most difficulty with is trying to make them understand how things are in reality. I can explain and explain and explain and they "understand" that shit is rough here but don't truly "understand" either. It's very frustrating.
You guys were the driving force behind the diesel engine. Modern day petrol industry. It wasnt the arabs btw. And modern day credit system. The heirs to spanish soaps after the fall of the mexican golden age.
>>73434005
How can you support non violent measures at this point?
In Australia and I assume Venezuela on farms if you have a dog it's a working dog, a tool. Government is that dog. If the dog no longer can work you replace the dog. If it's a good dog you buy it a blanket and let it sit around all day in the sun.
But if the dog is insane or rabid or attacks stock you get a gun and you shoot the dog.
It's the oldest relationship with a living tool man has, and people have always dealt with dogs and governments the same way.
I doubt non violence like Ghandi will work because your tyrant is domestic not foreign.
>>73434425
Do you see why Haiti needs a pupeteer? It's a shithole without it. Same with Venezuela.
Why hasn't any neighboring country conquered or liberated you yet?
>>73434165
Actually; we have gun control now that you bring it up. But it doesn't work.
Malandros (the term we use for common criminals) are equiped with shotguns, SMG's, Ak-47's, M4's, M16's, AR-15's, Aug's, and grenades.
State and city cops only have 9 mm handguns and are allowed one shotgn per 10 officers by law. Only the armed forces can use bigger firepower, and an exception for tactical response teams; which are not even a threat to common bands.
I used to live near Cota 905 (google it; scary shit). Lived in a rancho, which is a house constructed poorly in a slum. I'm used to hearing shots all night long, it´s even normal. Which is a statement of how fucked up things are.
>>73431127
>wants to stay and help his country rather than bailing and collecting welfare in a more developed country
You sir are a real man.
>>73432886
No es por nada, Español imbécil. Pero aquí en los 50, 60 y 70 emigraba tu maldita familia, porque andaban muriéndose de hambre y Franco los tenía jodidos. Así que los aceptamos, Venezuela fue más rica que España hasta 1981. Grábate eso, no todo el tiempo fue así, y posiblemente en un futuro se revierta la situación, así que yo no andaría muy agrandado por ahí
>sit on largest oil reserves in Western hemisphere
>suffer economic collapse
Your government should be hanged.
>>73434330
Me refería al español, no a ti
>>73434176
Sabes muy bien a lo que me refiero
Piensas que todo aquel que no es germánico es estupido(excluyendo los asiáticos)
>>73434703
Vomit.jpg
>>73434834
Thank you! I feel real pain everytime I hear about a friend making plans to flee. I've lost many friends that way by now... Lost some others at the hands of crime, illness and a couple on the political fight.
It kinda means a lot someone suporting instead of telling I'm crazy XD
>>73434492
You know it better than anyone. The russia was a land of intellectuals. Smarts never got anybody nothing.
>>73434915
This. They could've been structured like Norway with a sovereign fund.
>>73434671
El títere es para mantener Haití una mierda
>>73434492
Trump no es bueno para otros países
La única forma de mantener a EEUU bien es mantener bajo a otros paises
>>73434703
Looks like we are selling freedom to you guys already. Thankfully, there's plenty to go around.
I remember how Noam Chomsky said that the one thing that gave him hope was the Latin American countries emancipating themselves from the USA. But witnessing now how Chavez and socialism have completely ruined Venezuela it is another proof that the left is full of shit!
>>73434425
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguay
>El 88% de la población uruguaya es de ascendencia europea, principalmente de España, y más de un cuarto de la población es de origen italiano
me cunfindí con el país
La civilización no se construye en 20 años, ni en 200 años, a auropa le fueron necesario 1000 años de edad media para alcanzar otrav vez lo que fue Roma.
Más aún la civilización es un conjunto de valores, de ideales, de estabilidad amiental para los niños, mira los videos de Stefan Molineux, él tiene mucha razón sobre este tema.
Sud América y África tambén pueden lograr un nivel del primer mundo pero hace falta un prgrama de eugenesia brutal ( no necesariamente violento) y una cambio de valores, valores que en Europa estamoos perdiendo
>>73433984
Sounds like liberals here In the states
>>73434981
That's a picture from Cota 905; near my old home. It was during some thing they called OLP "Operación de Liberación del Pueblo" (Operation for the Liberation of People). It's a show they make every now and then, they send all the helicopters, tanks and hollywood action movie stuff to play like if they were dismembering the bands.
Doesn't work, after they pull out, there are no coherent adiotional policies to assure criminals don't come back to these communities. Also, they have been acused of Human Rights violations in several times.
>>73435157
>Trump no es bueno
I don't need to speak spic to know you're going up on the cross.
>>73435157
Venezuela's example is not enough for you?
>>73434512
What do you use to post?
CAN SOME OF YOU BEANERS AT LEAST TALK IN ENGLISH POR FAVOR?! WE'RE NOT ALL FROM YOUR POOR ASS SPANISH SPEAKING COUNTRIES!!!
>>73434512
Here you go, hope it still works:
>>73318923
>>73435407
We don't have beans to eat... And they're Overpriced. Thanks to the LEFT!
>>73435559
Fucking burn
Do what Panama did and break a part of the country off and ally with America as a puppet state.
>>73434981
and they wonder why one 6.0 earthquake wipes 2/3's of the housing in south america.
.
Here is how not to have a shit country: don't be calthic. and only have 2 kids each. that is it. just wait a generation.
>>73434867
You guys were even visited by royal families before ttheir marriages. I wonder how many of those royal descendant scums you guys house. If you put it historically, way more than argentina before those argentines sold out.
>>73431127
A home for every people within their region of genetic origin.
I'm proud of you Venezuela-bro.
You aren't trying to go somewhere you do not belong and become a burden on that society.
You are fighting for your home.
I am proud of you. I wish you luck.
If you must fight hard I hope God provides you with the means to find proper offensive weaponry.
You are doing the right thing.
If you die , I pray you die surrounded by the cold bloody bodies of the shitty people that are trying to oppress you.
>>73435258
Ok pigskin
>>73435295
Bueno no se por que tus políticos actúan de esa forma
He llegado a pensar que son títeres de los americanos ya que mantienen la nacio hecha una mierda
Todo esto es muy raro
>>73435199
Roma no lo fue todo en esos tiempos
>>73435407
With all due respect my friend; I'm making an effort here to speak in plain english. It's no problem to me cause I had a good education (thankfully; and I feel blessed for it). But the language barrier can be dangerous some times. I recommend you use Google Translate instead of casting insults on people. We need to be a little more tolerant.
the spiraling aftermath of a corrupt and unkept human farm becoming overburdened by its virus like population caused by the greedy decisions of the elite. this is the ultimate destination the entire world is heading for.
>>73435256
So Cota 905 is the type of place you'd wake up in after days effected by scopolamine?
>>73431127
>I've never seen how a democracy really is, I've only heard stories about how better things were back when Chavez wasn't in the politcal agenda; everyone says "It wasn't perfect, but it was better than this"
Ironically people here say exactly the same thing about Tito's socialism and how shit present day politicians and democracy is.
protip: even if you get rid of Chavez and socialists/communist, all of them and their cronies will just substitute their commie star and red shirt for a regular suit and become oligarchs and *democratically elected* politicians.
>>73435704
>Anyone willing to adopt me? I'm full white, with Italian family
Get your fucking European passport fuckboy.
>>73435696
Thank you!
I just hope I don't die and get to share the country my generation built with my children. This is kind of a fight for our future, our right to be happy and succesful in the land that gave birth to us
>>73435704
We still have some factories doing what they can; of course, you saw what is happening to Polar.
I still believe that my future is here on this land, even if it's a grave and a mention on a local newspaper..
>>73435704
New Zealand probably would in all seriousness
>>73435184
Hey they even say in whispers that part of the Bush ancestry lived in venezuela before coming here.
You guys lost it all because you fell for the influence of the least educated. I bet you many of them were rich as well.
I think I need to corect you menor: The industry isn´t crashing. ALREADY CRASHED. There is not anything of value that Venezuela produces (Beyond oil, of course. But, actually, the oil production is plummeting)
As an economist, I think we'll see a default in the coming months, the opposition won't take over. And chavismo will stay here for a long time, so, my advice to you: Escape child, escape. This shit is bursting at an accelerated pace, that even our fathers didn't think it would finish off like this.
I'm everyday trying to run away from this country, but it seems impossible.
Anyone willing to adopt me? I'm full white, with Italian family
>>73434492
this is precisely what I'm dreading; why I'm for Trump. Even if I don't always perfectly align with him, I know that I'm more aligned with him than I would ever be with someone who still deludes themselves in believing socialist policies.
When I was younger I got a laugh out of the saying "when you're young you vote democrat, when you're old you vote republican."
Now I really see why. It's not so much youth that gets people to vote for leftist policies. It's immaturity, and some people truly never mature into self-actualizers. And I see a whole generation of them growing in America, deluded and immature and believing in policies and systems that have proven themselves for a hundred years in so many countries to never work.
The sooner Sanders and his claims are gone and out of the public mind, the better.
>>73435894
I now; I also fight against bad politicians on "our" side. I hope we can learns something and go into a future with better leaders. Which means, that people understand that the only good leader is one self. No savior shit like before.
>>73434671
Haiti has no good farmland.
>>73435951
I hope you don't either.
You seem to be articulate and fairly educated , would be a shame to lose you.
You're doing a proper protest.
Protests that liberal American students wish they were a part of.
Don't get me wrong , they think they are changing the world and doing something right and meaningful but are only succeeding at giving us epic memes.
>>73436310
Don't like Sanders; don't like Trump either. He tells people what they want to hear and not what they need to. He also has very low respect on Human Rights and human dignity, which scares me. But I won't talk any further on it, I can't talk about the political life of a country I don't know that much off. I respect the choice of the American people, and I hope you don't end up like us even one time in your history for now on. No human deserves this kind of treatment
>>73436347
Theres not bad politician theres only bad people and those who vote them in for purpose. Come on the politicians are the beacons of their constituents.
>>73436347
Yes, this man and the bosnian above are saying a real thing. How do we avoid to get another corrupt officials and politicians?
The institutions are so weak, that I don't know how we're going to get rid of chavism without giving away them parts of the country. There are parties in the opposition fully allied with chavism officials, or they're funded by enterprises close to chavismo.
Whoever says venezuela sold out. Remember this riddle of the u.s, there were no christians here until the latin peoples arrived.
>>73436250
Cant you qualify for Italian citizenship then?
Do you just need the money to get out of the country?
>>73431127
Us south americans must stand together. I'm with you, irmão venezuelano. Together we'll overcome the shadow of bolivarianism.
>>73436632
>He also has very low respect on Human Rights and human dignity
And?
A leader doesnt have to be PC
>>73436892
Trump is all about dropping the political correctness, He doesn't care about media backlash when he points out blatant sensitive issues. It's like on our country. Everyone knows the issue exist but noone cared, And still don't care on some extent. I support Trump's policies even though they don't affect me directly.
The man speaks the truth.
>>73431127
>Not murdering every motherfucker in the government and replacing what you have with an American style Republic
Come on senpai we've literally proved in works in multiple countries(at least until they reject it like retards and go back to communism)
>>73431127
I dont give a fuck about blablabla your situation.
I just want your oil & i want you pumping it out for the minumin cost & if you amazon niggers dont do what your told i'm going to bunkrupt your country.
Welcome to the real world
>>73431127
Check out Roger Scruton's Fools Frauds and Firebrands. It's a great first political book. He goes through every major leftist philosopher and explains why they're wrong, but also he points up alternatives.
The thing that Latin America was missing, that the US had, was English common law tradition, which imposes limits on the powerful while facilitating meritocratic competition. If the Spanish speaking world adopted English common law as a model they would be like the US.
>>73437333
Bullshit
It doesn't have anything to do with laws
Your country have fucked many south Americans countries for their benefit
I'll continue sharing stories from Venezuela; let´s talk now about the hard process of getting food.
What you see there is just a fragment of the lines we have to make to get food.
There are three ways to get food here:
We make lines at supermarkets and stores to get products at "Fair price"; a frozen price the government keeps for political porpuses. As you may supose, it is far below the actual manufacturing cost. The lines are made since 3 o'clock in the morning. We sleep in front of the business to try and get the right spot, if we make it later, we might not get any food. Worst part is, that if the cops show up, they'll chase you and jail you because, after a few months, the Gov made illegal lines during early hours of the night; it looked bad for them, so they hide the problem under the rug.
Also, you can only buy food one time a week, they use finger print identification to assure you don't. They only sell you around 1 or 2 packages of rice/pasta/flour/etc.
The other way is through the infamous "bachaqueros". They sell products at a high value, like 10 times it's original price. Some are so well organized that they form networks with social media and stuff. Some even show up ith guns and shoot their way through supermarkets to take the food away. Cops and army officers do this too.
The other way is to trade with other people. Social media is used to organize clubs where we can trade what we have for things we need. If you have a toothpaste and you need dehodorant, you can trade with someone who has it. This is dangerous too, many cases of kidnappings and murders during these meetings.
I used to be middle-high class; was low class for part of my life. Parents did a lot of work to get us out of the pit. I used to eat 3 times a day, usual stuff. I only eat one time a day now; sometimes I don't even get to eat.
>>73435559
Sell computer buy beans...
No but seriously. I am a bit older than you(quite a lot actually :D) and I remember when Chavez took control in your country. Was very happy with that and thought you guys will BOOM, but it all went to shit.... :(
Hope this shit sorts out and that you will have a better future. Gl!
>>73437314
Your reputation extends far my australian friend.
>>73437314
You know something. All you have to do to build a cold heartless society is detach their brainstems just a bit. Just a little bit to the point they wont sense like the common person.
>>73437591
Sorry, forgot the pic
>>73437580
English common law tradition and American Cobstitutionalism is the only system with limitation, with negative rights.
Every other system puts you at the mercy of the powerful because it has the state solving everything.
If you adopted American Constitutionalism, then every able bodied man aged 18 to 46 in your country would be an armed and experienced reason not to invade.
>>73437944
I believe our founding fathers had a way-too-romantic-idea on how to do stuff. From that point on, it was making up stuff while we go. We're a young society, we need to grow up. Really hope we can.
>>73437580
Anti-american faggot. Our own leaders sold us out to the US. Stop hijacking this thread.
>>73437944
I praise the english law. And ownership of subground. It makes men feel ownership down to the core. The only true kind of ownership.
>>73438383
Also the fact that prices are changing each week! And it goes only up! :^)
>>73431127
Hey Venezuelans, I wish you luck and stay strong. I know my words don't matter, but I hope it gives you hope, no matter how small.
>>73437591
Every word of this man is sadly true. Another story for you:
Because of the coming hyperinflation and the constant raise of prices, and the progressive loss of value of our money, we're recurring to ''barter'' yes, you read it, barter. As our ancestors in the middle age, even, Chávez in one of his crazy thoughts on his famous tv show, he said: ''We need to retake the barter as a form of transaction, the money must disappear''
And we laughed hard at the fact, and we didn't believe it, and yet, here we are.
>>73438383
I knew things must be bad if Venezuelans are fleeing to my country of all places, but fuck I didn't know it was that bad.
>>73435012
I think you're fighting a losing battle, how many of your fellow Venezuelans really want freedom instead of a cradle to grave socialist welfare state?
You Latin Americans seem to love your leftism.
>>73435184
>Noam Chomsky
He's a very smart guy who is actually quite a dedicated commie, but he's somewhat undercover about it.
Look who he criticizes and who he DOESN'T, that's the key. But still I like how he sometimes gives hell to the Zionists, they hate it when fellow Jews get on their back.
OP, while I applaud your desire to "stay and fight" for country and freedom (which is more admirable than others who just want an easy ticket out), I feel that you are underestimating the situation.
The problem with your country isn't just political; it's economic. Specifically, its the phenomena known as the oil curse and Dutch disease. It's an incredibly hard situation to escape from, especially if it's gotten bad to the extent it has in Venezuela.
Oil accounts for over 90% of exports, for Christ's sake, and whatever oil productivity you did have started crashing after Chavez took direct control of PDVSA and turned it into a regime piggy bank. Now there are entrenched groups/individuals/etc. who derive rents from the status quo, and they would oppose change that hurts their interests. This is literally the same reason why Carlos Andres Perez: everyone turned against him when he tried to implement his reform program, including his own party (party activists were outraged that technocrats were appointed to economic ministries, denying them access to favors and rents to which they had gotten accustomed to).
(cont)
>>73438597
The pink tide is finally receding. A lot of it was propped up by Chavez and his oil deals.
>>73437591
Screencapped for future generations. Fight it Venezuela bro
Let's talk about electricty.
That beauty you have there is Central Hidroeléctrica Raúl Leoni (commonly know as El Guri). It is our primary source of electricity, it covers 60% of the demand. Kinda feel proud of it, it's the 3rd most important energy plant in it's kind and is a green energy used since decades. It used to make us believe that we were destined to be South America's vanguard on tecnology and development.
Today, El Niño has made the lake really dry; water levels dropped. But that's not the only reason we're having electrical problems.
The Gov vanished billions of USD's that were meant for a thermoelectric network of power plants, because we knew that dry days were comming. The plants are in ruins now. Also, there are reports that the gov is letting the water levels on Guri drop on porpuse to extract gold and other materials from the lake's bottom.
Floods endager nearby towns. We fear that Guri could be scarred for a long time due to this.
Now, we have 4 hours of blackouts per day and we fear it'll get worst (it started off with only 2 hours). They also made fridays non-working days for public enterprises and offices, and schools too. The public offices only work mondays and tuesdays. Two days a week only.
Some experts claim that major blackouts will strike us in the near future. They talk about 12 hours a day without electricity and so on.
>>73438154
Whats up with those wigs?
>>73438513
It does help; I kinda do this thread to stay focused and in good morale. It kinda hits you sometime.
Imagine a friend of yours crying because of a family memeber died in the hospital. Not because the illness itself had no cure, not because it was too late... But because, the medicines the family member needed, were not found anywhere, even if it's not a rare kind of medicine.
Well, I had to do that twice this week,
>>73438735
(cont)
You know what the worst part is though? While Maduro is an idiot in many respects, he at least understands one of the most valuable rules of dictatorship: always pay your key supporters (usually the men with guns) just enough that they stick with you. He's been doing so very well on this front, and could remain in power for awhile if he plays it right.
A few examples:
In February, Maduro put the military in in charge of a new state oil and mining services company:
>http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-12/venezuela-expanding-military-influence-over-oil-and-mining
...which is but one of a dozen or so military enterprises started under his administration:
>http://www.controlciudadano.org/noticias/detalle.php?¬id=13008
Active or former officers head about one-third of the country's ministries and govern nearly half its 23 states:
>http://www.controlciudadano.org/contexto/infografias/infografia-participacion-militar-en-el-gabinete-ministerial-6-de-enero-2016
Some service members have gotten big raises; preferential access to housing, cars and food; and promotions:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-09-29/venezuelan-army-enjoys-meat-to-cars-denied-most-citizens
I could go on, but you get the idea. Point is being that this is going to go on until the armed forces feel that Maduro can no longer pay them rents (in whatever form that takes) or can no longer guarantee their business interests. At which point, it becomes a free for all and we'll see a coup d'etat. Usually the first one to take over the treasury and consolidate control quick enough is the winner.
If you want real change, then you have to tear pretty much most of the system by the roots. Otherwise it'll be a regime change with a reversion to the norm within a few years. Just see Egypt as an example.
I think that's why our society must head toward. But i don't see that coming, the venezuelans just want more welfare and still living in slums with crooks and shit.
They don't want any change, the just want the same potentiated. And our opposition leaders think the same
>>73438597
That right there is a line of people waiting to sign to revocate Maduro through a Referendum. The line itself was a full block long, moved fast because the process was brief, and lasted that way from 9 am to 5 pm. I was there, volunteer in the logistics.
>>73431127
I recommend that you fight with our leftist/communists on Twitter about what is happening in Venezuela. Even after Chavez died Democracy Now was describing any opposition to the government as fascists. A man on the communist radio station KPFK in Los Angeles only two years ago bragged about how he helped Chavez get elected in 1998.
The left has gone quiet over Venezuela because things are bad but need to have their faces rubbed in the evidence of how bad it is.
>>73431127
Ecuador elected a socialist and shit is getting FUCKED there
https://soundcloud.com/couchtruthing/lets-make-america-great-again
>>73438748
You know what venezuela is trying to do? Id say screw them. They shouldve never let Chavez in. listen if i were venezuelan id prefer to listen to the americans than russians...because russia for one is on the otherside. For seconds if america worsens their neighbors to shit that shit would catch upto them.
>>73438735
You actually know our story very well. And you are damn right.
Still, I was raised to fight, pacifically and with dignity. That's what I'll do, even if it's my doom
>>73439453
Correct, they shouldn't have let him in. But they are reaping what they sow and hopefully they will make a change now. We'll wait and see.
>>73438748
Thanks! That's actually one of the best things you can do to help, tell everyone you know about how fucked up things are down here.
>>73437591
>>73438547
your story is almost a word-for-word account of what was going on in Yugoslavia before it completely went to shit. lines at the supermarket, shortages of basic goods, receiving a salary on Monday only to have inflation eat the majority of it by Friday and so on.
If there's one thing I've learned living in a corrupt part of world filled with petty, shortsighted people it's that the only thing you want to do is take care of yourself and your family.
If shit hits the fan join whatever political party emerges victorious. Don't be swayed by ideals and think you can change or help your countrymen. If they're anything like people here in the Balkans (and judging from the occasional SouthAm politics thread on /pol/ or /int/ they are) they don't want to change and they don't want your help. Leave them to live in their slums and take care of yourself or you'll end up bitter and jaded as fuck while the retards who give power to these corrupt asshole politicians will be none the wiser.
>>73438891
Do you still buying ''El niño'' thing from the goverment? seriously, pana?
Shit, It's amazing how this chavistas niggas have made and amazing effort to shit people on their faces, and yet they still loving them.
Look menor, obviously isn't the fucking niño, the problem is the lack of maintenance and the fake contracts signed with Derwick, where the chavismo and them ripped off the country.
Even, the rain has been pouring in the guri since months ago
>>73439213
Again; very good analysis. Just my thoughts exactly. Military influence has done a lot of damage to our society
>>73439729
these* sorry
>>73439729
Fuck I'm Dominican and it hit us hard too, but it ended months ago and the dams are full now.
>>73438891
>>73439729
Proof 1984 was an instruction manual, the upper believes the government is a savior and outside forces are the problem. Lower, Gov is the problem. Educate your friends and you all can turn around
>>73431127
Three words, Venezuelabro.
STOP.
SUBSIDISING.
FUEL.
You can fill a 20 gallon car for what, 15 cents?
Go to the States and it's more like 40/50 dollars. And that's cheap as fuck. Here in Ireland, with the exchange rate factored in, a 20 gallon tank (90 odd litres @ €1.24 per litre -- €112 --) costs 127 dollars.
For one tank.
And this is after the crash. When oil was more expensive, we were essentially paying "ten dollar gas". $200 dollars for one fucking tank of fuel. Thanks to price and taxes. I would LOVE to see Yanks survive on that....
But the point I'm making is if you want money, you're just going to have to generate it from fuel usage. It's quite simply the only way a society can function.
>>73439692
I remember reading this account of a Bosnian who was trapped during the war and needed to go full survival mode to live through it. He now keeps a stockpile of food, tools, weapons and ammo. Venezuelabro, read this and learn from it.
http://www.naturalnews.com/040249_bosnia_preppers_survival_strategies.html
>>73439729
I do believe that the Guri got kinda dried. Of course, VTV makes a fuss out of it. And even if they were telling the truth, you're right, it's lack o investment and maintenance.
>>73433984
literally the same thing democrats do here. just a lighter version.
>>73440279
I support the stopping of subsiding. Although, when gov raised fuel prices, it hit really hard on our pockets. I know it needed to be dne, but if I were on the gov, I would have cut off public expenses by eliminating unnecesary ministeries (belive me, we have way too many); military budget (which we don't actually need) and lose-win trade treaties with other southam countries.
Most of it, I would cut off Cuba's oil supply. Damn I would
I say fuck all the nations. Fuck them all. For now we focus on our revenge story, while rosh hashanahs go well. fuck venezuela and fuck their first imperialists the germans. Fuck em all. Lying pieces of shits.
>>73435845
maybe for about 3 minutes after moving reopens your wounds which were sewn up with dental-floss and you bleed out realizing your kidneys and liver were stolen.
You die tasting rotten mucus and copper on the back of your tongue and smell goat-cheese and flour tortilias wafting on the trash-scented breeze blowing through a window above the "bathtub" which is your final resting place.
It's THAT type of town.
t. well-traveled writerfag
>>73440851
When the goverment raised the prices, we went from the cheapest gasoline in the world into the country with the cheapest gasoline in the world.
Did you see it? A fucking joke, it didn't work. And the problems of Venezuela right now aren't Bolivares (Our local currency). ARE DOLLARS. And I doubt we'll get some dollars raising fuel prices in our local currency.
I would also like to share you some of our beauty; I'll post seven pics that make me hopeful about our future. One day, we'll be free and prosperous again.
Pic related:
East Tower of Parque Central Urbanistic Complex (left) and part of Teresa Carreño theater. Two of our most iconical architecture symbols. Located at the heart of Caracas, Parque Central used to be LatAm's talles building with 225m tall (East Tower now has 255, with the new antena; pic related). They were the talles concreto armado buildings in the world before Petronas Towers in Kuala Lumpur. Teresa Carreño on the other hand, is the largest theater complex in latin america.
>>73439936
>>73439584
Eh, political/economic analysis is part of my day job. Y la familia is de Costa Rica, entonces tengo que saber sobre la region.
I don't want to be ~that~ guy, but history paints a pretty clear picture of where this train is going. A recovery would take years, if not decades, and that depends on people doing the right thing.
But so long as there is an ocean of oil to exploit, combined with an easily manipulated populace and other factors, there is incentive for rentier behavior. And so long as that is in place, people are going to stop at nothing to make money from the country, even if it harms the long-term prospects. Not just domestically, but foreign.
>>73441484
Doesn't help you guys bleed dollars when you send officials abroad to buy foreign goods to import and sell at a discount (price controls), but are also losing even more money because that official is probably overpaying (read: corruption in conjunction with that foreign accomplice).
So yay, you all just paid $20 for X amount of wheat that is supposed to cost $10, but you're selling it domestically at $3. That's a $17 loss that is covered up by oil money, assuming there is enough. Oh, and producing wheat domestically costs $5, so since locals can't compete they shut down.
I swear, I'm amazed that people keep thinking this sort of thing is a smart idea.
>>73441308
Now that would make Hemmingway cry
>>73442071
This is on point.
Be like the Romanians hold your leaders personally accountable.
Non violence will not work
2: Rafael Urdaneta Bridge.
Located at Maracaibo's lake, latam's biggest lake, it is a symbol for the people of Zulia and Maracaibo, the country's most populated city.
It's well known for the feeling that strikes you when you cross it, there are even songs about it. From it you can see the coasline and the skycrapers shine with the blazing sun of the Zulia region. At night, you can see the Catatumbo Lighting at south, a really strange fenomena in which lightings are casted in the same location every night.
Thank you for the insight Venezuela bro. Sounds like shit is really hitting the fan down there, makes me realize my first world problems here are nothing. Be safe but remember change usually comes through violence when governments are involved.
>>73431127
Sorry about the state of affairs in your country OP. Maybe you could share some insight with the leftists in my country who would like to see socialism installed in the US
3: Salto Angel Waterfall.
Featured on Up! (yep, the Disney movie) as Paraiso Waterfalls, this beast is almost 1 km high. It's of our most distinctive symbol. Every Venezuelan can recognize this beauty with only one look. It's located in the Canaima National Park, one of the biggest in the world.
>>73442869
Actually kind of doing this because I don't want you guys to hit the socialist iceberg... I really coulnd't believe Bernie Sanders was actually going serious with socialist shit. Anyway, he doesn't seem to be getting elected anytime soon. So it's Trumpfag or Hillarycunt. In any case, the best wishes for you.
>>73431127
>>73432886
>>73431127
El problema es mas complejo de lo que ustedes creen, los colombianos de magic markers hacen un tremendo trabajo en explicar el verguero que forma cuando el estado entra a regular los mercados.
Esto es una radiografia de lo que sucede en venezuela, los causantes directos son los gobernantes, pero la raiz de sus problemas son las politicas aplicadas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7udbzg-sr6Y
Huertas de Soto es un bravo a la hora de exponer las soluciones a dichos problemas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv4fhdz3SUY
Mirate el video alrededor del minuto 9:30 cuando habla del Milagro economico aleman, aunque te recomiendo ver el video completo.
Yo vivo en Panama, hace mas de 20 años Perez Balladares (presidente economista) decidió liberizar la economia y para que fue esto! Practicamente hemos calbagado en Panama un pais con recursos limitados pero mucha gente ingeniosa para los negocios. El hecho de estar dolarizados (y quitarle a nuestros politicos ineptos la responsabilidad de decidir nuestra politica monetaria) es otra bendicion.
>>73441308
jesus i'm never leaving the country again
4: Bolivar´s Peak
Named after our national hero, Libertador Simón Bolívar, the peak is the tallest point on our country. Not much to say, I'll just let the beauty of the image touch you.
>>73443352
>national hero
Is that why the stars in your flag look like they're mountain shaped?
>>73442938
Where do you guys get your drinking water?
How is that maintained?
>>73443232
Pussy
this is the only venezuelan related picture I have, good luck out there, I still like you guys a lot more than Colombians, I won't hate you that much if you decide to move here.
Venezuelan here, born in 1990, living in Sydney since 2013.
Yes, I fucking hate when everyone outside Latin America attribute everything that is happening is Venezuela to the fall in the oil prices.
These misinformation and propaganda from the leftist about my country have to end.
5: Tovar's Colony
Founded by german inmigrants, this beautiful town located in Aragua (a central state near Carcas DC) is the first stop when someone on the capital says "Let's go eat something"
The food is legendary, the best place to eat our famous cachapas, golfeao, strawberries and cream, all kinds of candies and stuff. I always though of it like a Venezuelan version of that Harry Potter town near Hogwarts, can't recall it's name. Sorry fellow Potterfags
Stay safe, venebro. Don't let the communist win
>>73443739
Hell yeah my friend
>>73443466
People use filters in home, and yes they change these filters regularly. Venezuelan here.
>>73431127
i run a non profit in FL we are just starting out and i will be sending food down there i'm from venezuela raised in the US and we will be having an event here in a bit probably a month or 2 if anyone is interested tell me and i will post a link to the website and u guys can read the blog post we will be having the even in weston FL and also sending the food to a church in VN
>>73434922
Y tiene razon. La razon de porque Estados Unidos llego a ser un pais desarrollado es porque exterminaron a sus indigenas.
Ni aunque tu pais fuera de oro y todos tuvieran la mejor educacion, igual geneticamente el IQ de los latinos y negros seria igual de bajo y continuarian viviendo pobres e incivilizadamente.
Es algo dificil de aceptar, pero es la realidad, la unica forma de que paises latinoamericanos sean primer mundo es exterminando a su poblacion indigena y negra.
>>73444137
Be more realistic we cannot exterminate niggers and natives. The main difference between United States and us is that black people didn't create their own culture is literally race mixing and integration. What is fuking the economy in Lain America right now is the Populism, corruption and the left propaganda.
We could be a great power if we just stop believing in the bullshit of "poor are good", " capitalism is bad".
>>73443466
That is actually a horrible story.... Can't speak for other cities, but here in Valencia we get our water from Pao Cachinche, a small artificial lake south of the city. It's conected to Cabriales river that runs through the city and is connected to Valencia's lake through a tunnel the gov dig up.
You see, Valencia's lake is our second biggest lake. Next to it's shore were large crop fields for bananas and sugar; private property. To get reference, Valencia and it´s sorroundings are Venezuela's main industrial zone; deep demographyshit. The lake has been growing because the industrial/city waste of over 200 towns go there. It didn't matter back then, cuz we had treatment plants for it.
Chavez expropiated the crop fields like 2005 more or less. The fields got abandoned after that; they used lots of water, taken from the lake, which helped keeping control of the level of the water.
Without that, the lake started to grow. The gov got worried and built the tunnel I mentioned before. But they haven't mantained our treatment plants since years, they're deserted now.
So, not only the lake is highly polluted by human feces and industrial waste, not only it's rising and has already swallowed many houses and even towns; but also, the polluted water from the lake is driven into our houses in the city without any filters except for dangerous levels of Cl and Al
pic related: Those are the pillars of La Cabrera Bridge, our main contact with Caracas (very important). It's being damaged by the water of the lake; no gov response yet; we fear the worst. BTW; the green stuff, is water.
>>73444135
If you can link to twitter I'll sure as hell retweet the fuck out of it
>>73444709
My grandparents are both Portuguese, but when they were young they moved to Venezuela and built a business and a nice life from scratch, in Maracai if Im not mistaken. My mom and uncle were born in Venezuela and moved back to Portugal some time after the crash of the based New State dictatorship (rip Portuguese Empire).
As a kid it was always my and my counsin's dream to visit venezuela and have a nice time there. It deeply saddens my grandfather to see the state the beautiful country he left behind is in right now. He built a life with blood and sweat there and the nation that allowed for that entrepreneurship is now destroyed
>and I will probably never visit Venezuela anyways
>>73444137
Racism, hate and segregation have destroyed my society. Reds think they're better than us and tried to kill/expell us since 2 decades now. It has ripped families appart, brothers don't talk to each other anymore. Less hate, more tolerance.
El racismo, el odio y el segregacionismo han destruido nuestra sociedad. Los rojos se creen mejor que nosotros y buscan matarnos o expulsarnos a los disidentes. Menos odio y más tolerancia. Familias enteras han sido divididas por ello
>>73444621
That's still a lot of wishful thinking. You would need to travel to Latin America to know what I'm talking about, the people are indeed subhuman and their cities are dirty. And it's not because of no education, which wouldn't work still because of very low IQ.
For the time being, exterminating them is not possible, but it's the only way for those countries.
>>73444814
www disasterreliefglobal org/blog
this is our main site we have yet to set up a twitter we have a fb page and stuff we are in the proccess of making a twitter since there is someone that takes care of that
>>73445035
Los Reds son blancos o aborigenes?
>>73444814
www facebook com/disasterreliefglobal/
this is our fb page like i said we just started out as u can see the things are pretty recent but we will get this going pretty soon atleast this even thing to raise money to send food over there i just got done sending a box to my grandma from here
>>73444976
We received a lot of europeans back when things were fuckd up there. We did it gladly; I have lots of friends who are child of italians, portuguese, spanish, etc. I hope we can be that land of hope again. I hope your grandfather can come back one day with you and you'll see what all those tears are about.
>>73445229
He's old, and my grandmother just past away, doesn't look like he'll see his Venezuela ever again. Maybe it will get better in time for me to visit one day with my siblings or gf.
>>73445202
Reds=chavistas. Chavistas=People who were poor and part of the armed forces/criminal bands/guerrillas and have a trauma about the Galactic Empire shitting in their heads. They come from various places and in many shapes. They're all douchebags
>>73445527
Sorry to hear that. If you talk to him, say a Venezuelan said hi and that we miss him. We miss a lot of people who had to leave actually
>>73443778
>Harry Potter town near Hogwarts
Hogsmeade. Also comfy/10 pic. Thanks for this thread. I never liked the left, but fuck man, this thread...
>>73445035
In Venezuela racism is not an Iissue my friend we were very happy before, and actually racist jokes were not a big deal because deep inside we knew it was just a joke and some times a demonstration of affection like " my negra" or " my negro".
We never experience real racism like in other parts of the world. Believe me the least racist people is in countries like Venezuela.
5: Hotel Humboltd
Located at the top of the Avila peak, the National Park that guards the city of Caracas from the north, it was built on the late 50's as a tourism atractive by Marcos Pérez Jiménez. He was overthrown two years later, but the building became a symbol. It is preceded by a colonial cobblestone road in which vendors sell traditional candies and touristfag stuff. It's been abandoned by the current regime.
>>73445994
Well, that much is true.
how come venezuela so poor?
your country have higher gdp than argentina
>>73431127
I feel sad about this. Stay strong Venuzuelafag and overthrow those commies
>>73445994
Don't joke yourself, there's racism in Venezuela.
If you are a white you are a sifrinito hijo de papi y mami, If you are black then you are a negro mojino pelo malo, if you are brown skinned then that automatically makes you a malandro or a tuki.
I more than once got into fights by people trying to shit on me calling me negro de mieda and stuff of the sort. Tone and intend change everything. Sometimes even those "jokes" go for so long they start to become something else.
And let's not go into names. Because I'm sure no one from here thinks of anything good when first meeting someone and he presents himself as "Yonaikel" or "Yusdeyska"
Discrimination is a very lively aspect here.
Also, Venezuelans also fucking love to shit on latinos of other nationalities here too.
6: France Square
Also know as Altamira Square or Liberty Square, this is one of my favourite places in the world. Used tospend childhood here, doing skateboard and eating icecream.
It's gardens and monuments are beautiful. It was part of a treaty with the french; we would have a France Square in Caracas and them would build a Venezuela Square in Paris.
It is split by the most important avenue of the eastern part of the city, named after our second biggest national hero Generalísimo Francisco De Miranda (big fan here).
Sad part is, this square has witnessed the deaths of hundreds, if not thousands of anti.regime fighters. It is the main symbol of our resistance movement; at the level that one of it's wing it's named after it.
This is were I got my first tear gas, this is were that rubber bullet hit me. This is where I would like to die if I had to do so by the hand of the regime.
>>73445229
https://twitter.com/ReliefGlobal
we made a twitter we will be posting some infographics and other stuff
>>73446977
>https://twitter.com/ReliefGlobal
Just followed :)
>>73446977
thank you very much if u want to find out more stuff go to our main site its on our twitter we are planning that event here in weston florida and so we can help the people in ven
7: The Resistance
I don't know who he is; I don't know if he's still alive. I just know this picture gets me every time. Don't get me wrong, I've been in that kind of situationl. Remember one time we took over a highway and the National Guard came after us.
But anyways; we are resisting, we are dying, we are fighting, we are suffering... But one day, we'll defeat them... Even if we have to make them drown on our blood
>>73446416
Corruption and Socialism.
>>73443232
pussy fag.
You deserve all the banality "fate" deals you in the losing hand of your "life."
This is the most time I'll waste spending on a coward.. in the vainglorious hope he/she stops in shock and looks honestly about why some random stranger just insulted them so.
(protip: it's because your attitude is FUCKING SHIT)
bitch... do something about it.
>>73443739
By the way Australiabro, how did you left our lovely hellhole?
I'm planning to leave the country already and while nothing is sure I've heard Australia is relatively easy to move in. Can you tell me about it?
>>73447324
I'll follow you guys closely from now on. You're doing a very noble thing!
>>73448078
we will be posting more updates very soon we are trying to get the word out by tele marketing im the IT manager for the company thank you very much on the support since we are starting out it's somewhat hard to get the word out we are going to be handing fliers out soon in weston idk if u know but the venzuelan population here is huge they call it westonzuela haha
>>73444135
561 here, got Senpai in in Ecuador and always looking for good ways to spend my free time (the little of it I have) fighting global leftism.
Post link plz. I'll work it out from there (don't need to contact (You) persay, but if it's worthwhile, I'll help out.
"Lvx" is (part of) what to look for somewhere ion the contact .nf0
I'm not paranoid... but I've been here for years so I'm not loose with anything doxble.
>>73448332
https://disasterreliefglobal.org/blog/
https://twitter.com/ReliefGlobal
there is the social media and the first site right here thank you very much for your support guys we will get the people of venezuela to a better place hopefully
>>73448318
I've heard about Doralzuela, but never about Westonzuela... Fuck, we're conquering the world panita!
>>73446644
You are buying the hate propaganda, maybe you are making reference to the classicism which is not related to any color of skin.
No body says "Negro de mierda" until they have done something to upset them. No body think that you are a "tuki" because you are brown skinned, they think you are a "tuki" because of the way to dress or behave, "tukis" can be white, brown or black.
There is not black neighborhood, brown or white neighborhoods, Muslim neighborhoods , Asian neighborhoods and so on.
In the school you make friend without distinguish about the color of the skin. there is not real segregation about race and color.
>>73447864
it was a joke, armchair cowboy
>>73431127
colombia best country
you jelaous you fucking cunt?
all countries inferior to colombia, this is fact
we dont need whites. thats why we better
>>73432908
friend, non-violence will not work against a tyrannical, violent enemy
you will have to fight or flee
>>73448508
oh yea i moved here when i was 7 and the population here is like 60% venezuelan now
>>73447963
You need some money, and a University degree in technical areas. The life here is expensive so you need to find a job quick.
If you are planning to study here you need a lot of money, and find a job as well.
>>73448734
Historically, Violent outcomes tend to guide us into even worse scenarios than the original dictatorshit (if even possible). Plus, you've seen how Libia, Egypt, Syria, Ukraine, Balkans etc turned out.
I'm no fool, I know we ain't getting to vote this motherfucker out, but we can reduce the minimum life loss by using non violent measures to fight the regime. Really recommend Gene Sharp's work, it´s a must read for people in my situation.
>>73448576
>You are buying the hate propaganda
No. These all are things I've seen and lived and even suffered myself.
>maybe you are making reference to the classicism which is not related to any color of skin.
Fair enough point. That's why added discrimination later on in my post. Still, I disagree with you regarding color of skin not affecting this at all.
>There is not black neighborhood, brown or white neighborhoods, Muslim neighborhoods , Asian neighborhoods and so on.
>there is not real segregation about race and color.
True as well. That's why I agreed it was not like the racism in other countries.
Look, I mostly agree with you regarding how mixed this place is and how race mostly doesn't affect things. But saying there's no racism and discrimination here is utter bullshit.
>>73437094
>that Europe
god damn it guys stop letting everyone and their dog in
>>73432908
Just leave the country man, come to us, I couldnt stand it anymore and just fled, if you are willing to work really hard you can still make a living here
>>73433298
Los romanos eran blancos maldito indio ignorante
>>73449130
Fair point; you're both right. Although, lately the biggest discrimination goes between pro-regime vs. resistancefags. So it's more of a political segregation, and in many ways, it's our own kind of moderated Apartheid.
>>73449315
It's not that easy anyways. And plus I'm not capable o leaving my homeland, someone has to stay and fight. Or they win. Even if I end up dead.
Shit is fucked up, it's no new to me. Sadly, I've got costumed to it; but Imma fight it.
>>73439584
>fight
>pacifically
oxymoron bro
>>73434703
Muchacho, habra demanda para organizaciones al ESTILO MAS colombiano?
yo soy radicado aca y tengo experiencia en seguridad y tengo bastantes contactos en varios ambitos, si hay dinero se puede empezar a meter personal desde el extranjero para realizar "limpieza social"
>>73435662
>6.0
>'""""Earthquake"""""
>wiping anything
>>73449543
Man, I am from another fucked up south american country, and fled way before it goes all down your path, here one can work, train and get ready to return in a more even parity with the government...
I dated a girl from caracas, and there is an awful lot of veterans here that might be up for special contracts, if shit goes down I want to be able to go and get her out
>>73437591
I lived that my friend.
I lived post commie chile.
I survived.
Storytime again kids!
Imagine to have a family member, say, your brother sufering from deadly illness. He dies.
Now, u say "I knew he could die, it's a mortal decease" But that's not the worst part of it.
He died, not because the doctors didn't want to save him, not because they didn't try harder, not because they were negligent.
He died, not because the medicine or treatment he needs doesn't exists yet; not because is rare. Not because he got medical attention too late.
He died because, a medicine/treatment that he needed and that's not even that rare or hard to find under normal conditions, couldn't be found anywhere. You posted it on twitter, you call the newspaper, you called everyone you knew, you walked through every drugstore on town. But the damn medicine is not there.
The cause? National production crashed and there are no USD's to buy it outside. Only the gov can make the call.
Now, the new Parliament managed to get WHO give a humanitary aid shipment to Venezuela. The shipment never made it here, the President forbid it cuz "We ain't need no medicine; we socialist madafaka"
The said parliament is about to aprove a "Humanitary crisis act" to fight the situation; the gov's representatives agreed after negotiating a name change to "Things are bad, but not that bad act"... President Maduro calls parliament leader for the gov. He ordered not to aprove. It's aproved anyways, we have majority. Supreme Court of Justice calls it "Inconstitutional" just like every single act/law ever since the new oposition-controled parliament got installed.
Your brother died, because some scumbag wanted to keep his image. How would you feel?
Pic related: Hospital in the city of Maturin
>>73439584
Dead you are no good to your country, learn when to retreat, rest, regroup and reffit, train, gain skills, etc, you can't do that there, you can do that here... come to the deep south, you can learn a lot of skills from the right people, skills which will later serve you to fight for your country
What you are doing is madness, you will be another forgotten martyr who won't even slow down the national guard
>>73449064
it is inevitable
you can be a sacrifice or you can work towards victory
on the other hand, I don't see Russia giving up on Venezuela either, so it may indeed turn into another Syria or Ukraine
best thing is to get to safety, unless you have a death wish
ww3 is coming. you are working to save what will soon be ashes? save yourself and your family. do what you can
Probably will have to leave soon; electricity just went of; this will last 4 hours. My laptop won't last a lot. Will post until I can't. But anyway, I really apreciate what happened here today. You guys really helped getting my faith and strenght a morale boost tonight.
Wherever you are, protect your freedom; don't believe in fake saviors, don't buy shit from politicians.
Live every day like it's the last, just like I do. It's the only way to be happy here, cause I might die tomorrow.
PD: Not kidding. There is a murder every 20 minutes in Venezuela. 51 deaths a day. 28K a year, only by murder. 98% of murderers are not punished. And if a malandro doesn't get me, illnes, crazy traffic, political repression, falling off a fucking bus at the highway, etc. Will surely do.
Really, live your life like it's your last day. And be thankful for what you have. I am, I thank every day that I'm not as bad as Middle Eastfags. And I cry every now and then for those who, in here in Venezuela, suffer a lot more than me.
>>73451316
keep us updated, and work to escape, bro
see >>73451015
godspeed
>>73438597
That's your country's fault for supporting military governments during the cold war, thus making an effect similar to german people mind's about right wing governments.
I literally can't talk to people about basic economy without being called a fascist.
>>73451015
My family is here. I have 30.000.000 million relatives. Brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers.
Your advice is wise, and I hope to have the chance to follow it. I wish to go outside and prepare myself, learn things and bring them here to improve the life quality of my brothers and sisters.
But until I get a ticket and a destination. I will fight, cause if I die, at least I'll know I stood for what I believed. A better society, a better country, a better world.
The key to success as a nation is conquest, and then draining resources and capital from the people you've subjugated. Why do you think Europe and America is so wealthy? The money comes from around the world, India, Asia, Africa. If you would try to apply that you would learn how to prosper. But you won't so you will remain poor and inept.
