http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/02/donald-trump-libel-laws-219866
>Donald Trump said on Friday he plans to change libel laws in the United States so that he can have an easier time suing news organizations.
>when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money
Good.
>>73373403
>when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money
>purposely
Sounds good desu.
>>73373403
>source of "true" information for vast majority of americans
>trumps a wacsist!! and hitler!!!
>shouldn't be able to be sued for blatant misinfo
yea no fuck the media
>>73373478
>>73373511
>free speech ends where my feelings begin
Trump really has turned /pol/ into a massive faggy hugbox.
>>73373518
>sue for writing an opinion you disagree with
If Hillary suggested half of this you guys would throw a tantrum (rightfully)
>>73373403
Good.
Isn't politico owned by Gawker?
>>73373403
>Free speech is preserved. Freedom of the press decimated.
You had it coming, you fucking lying nigger-kike bastards. Today was a good day.
>>73373594
its da j00s anyways amirite trumpbrah?
>>73373403
I'd say its about time. Fuck the media!
>>73373403
When you write an academic essay, it has to be from a credible source. Things cannot be taken out of context or lied about.
Why the fuck should media be able to?
Actually, I'm not really sure it's the media's fault. It's the consumers fault. People believe everything they read like mindless sheep.
>>73373658
It's why universal suffrage is garbage tier.
It amazes me how willing both young liberals and young conservatives are willing to give up or weaken their free speech these days.
Hint: It's much easier to weaken than to strengthen.
They already want to sue "climate change deniers" and anyone who engages in "hate speech".
The only way to get the left to re-discover an appreciation of the first amendment is to bite them right back in the ass with lawsuits. They are completely incapable of learning via good example.
>>73373638
How's your hangover going, Ivan?
>>73373535
making it against the law to lie about someone on the news should be illegal, as it allows people to just actively defame others.
If I were to go on the news and just call you personally a rapist for no reason with no proof, I
would not get arrested, or fined. You would, however most likely get spammed, harassed,
hated upon by everyone you used to know, and you'd generally have a tougher time going about
your life than otherwise.
In other words, defamation laws are not working as they are now.
Free speech: I can present my opinion on any subject at any time I fucking want to, and fuck the faggot SJWs who bully me for it.
Libel: Newspapers and other media that intentionally publish lies or false information, instead of publishing the facts that they are supposed to, should be able to be sued.
yes, there's no dichotomy here.
Opinions in media belong on the EDITORIAL pages and need to be clearly labeled as opinion. When media intentionally publishes a lie, publishes an opinion as 'news', or publishes misinformation without proper vetting, yes that should be covered by libel laws. Journalism has 0 integrity any more.
>>73373557
>implying these articles are bandied about as opinion pieces
lel
>>73373403
Jesus Christ, this pantomime act just can't stop embarrassing himself. At least he's not Hillary though.
>>73373813
This is in the context of talking about a presidential candidate. To weaken freedom of the press especially when it comes to the government would be a horrible and almost irreversible move.
>>73373827
This, completely. Kutos, anon
>>73373403
I'm alright with this actually.
Liberal yellow journalism needs to be put in check and the way I see it freedom of speech doesn't protect you from being sued by private citizens for slander.
>>73373915
The context is irrelevant. If a piece is opinion based, then it should be explicitly labeled as such. If it's a pseudo news piece that misrepresents someone with the intention of causing defamation, then the company should be able to be sued.
>pretending like TPP wouldn't decimate what's left of free speech in the first place
www.citizen.org/TPP
>>73373403
Doesn't matter.He can't bring in any law that conflicts with your constitution. He'd have to pass an amendment and no one will touch anything that might be seen to take away free speech.
>Giving a shit about the press' "rights"
Fuck the press, literal scumsucking propagandists who would rape a donkey if it meant they would get good ratings.
>>73373915
?
fuck freedom of the press
You know, I was thinking about this shit earlier today, and not due to Trump or his ideas to change up the law.
If someone makes disparaging remarks of an untrue nature, don't you have to prove, as the accuser in the court of law, that the claims are untrue? Wouldn't that be ridiculously difficult to do?
>>73373403
>talk a bunch of baseless bullshit
>get sued
how is this a bad thing?
>>73373403
>
Libel is not free speech. Libel is lying about someone to damage their character. Which is exactly the type of "free speech" libcucks love.
>>73373403
What's the matter, Hilldog? Your cunt is bleeding in fear of the Don again? How adorable.
>>73373535
i have reliable sources saying ID: bNJtUyQA raped and killed a woman in 1990
>>73374045
Well this is just wrong. Say, do you leave your tinfoil hat on or off while you shower?
>>73373403
Libel is already illegal.
Willingly lying to push an agenda is libel
>>73373827
This.
>>73373403
>when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money
yes that's what libel is
you can take them to court and make them prove they weren't just being inflammatory assholes, or pay up
>>73373403
Fuck, that's actually really shitty.
>inb4 gtfo shill, pic related is this entire thread (or at least the posts by people with some level of understanding about what "freedom of the press" entails)
>>73373535
dont fucking lie about people and distort their words in order to defame them, and then you have nothing to worry about.
>>73374329
This
>>73373535
>73373535
It's really better for everyone, you won't be getting biased bullshit from Fox or CNN that obviously favors one candidate or the other. And besides, it has to be certifiably false.
>>73374319
>freedom to lie as you please
>freedom to blur opinion and fact
>>73373535
>gawker ""journalist"" is upset he'll be out of a job
How's that Hogan dick taste, by the way?
>implying most journalism isn't a weapon of Jews and Marxists to subvert American society
It'll be good to shut down shit like the Jew York Times or Buzzfeed.
>/pol/ is actually defending this
I've seen it all now
>>73374319
>Actually defending yellow journalism
Yikes
>>73374551
>/pol/ is defending the ability to sue people for lying
Who would have thunk? Hmmm. Fuck off kike.
>Killing the American Lügenpresse
And this is bad exactly how?
>>73374584
>he actually believes kikes hate Trump
kek
>>73373403
>Gold
>>73373403
Sounds like trump is going to take down the traitors that have essentially brainwashed America with misleading facts.
I like this idea
>>73374637
I wonder who's behind this thread...
>>73373827
love seeing how trump has open y'all true colors.
FYI I have more respect for white cucks willing to let their wives get creampied by niggers than most of you now at least they don't damage control their shit opinions
ITT Statists
>>73373403
The problem is people treat everything the see/read on TV/news sites as fact no matter how it's presented and the media obviously exploits this for ratings, leading to a gigantic feedback loop that's run out of control in regard to reporting actual facts to the public.
Slap "editorial" on every shit opinion and you can make up whatever lies you want and have it presented alongside actual news stories.
>>73373403
>Oh no, now the media have to actually do research and base their news on facts instead of bought slander campaigns, it's like anuddah shoah
>>73374786
> they say something about trumps hair they should be on gulag now.
fucking commies
>>73375058
>libel laws strengthen
>a lot of jews get sued
>>73373827
>implying lax libel laws won't be used to reduce the free speech of the media
But when trump does it, it is A-okay
>>73373403
>holding media outlets responsible for the bullshit they say
>a bad thing
sorry, fag, but free speech doesn't mean you get to spread propaganda without having to deal with the consequences
>>73373403
deliberately misleading and untrue news =/= freespeech
>>73373403
This is great.
Flat out lying to the public is free speech, but that doesn't mean you can't be held accountable.
If I say that I am going to kill Obama I will be taken to jail. If a journalist says 1 out of 5 women get raped they will be taken to court.
Good.
This is exactly what we need.
>>73375145
>implying lax libel laws won't be used to reduce the free speech of the media
wat
>>73373535
>pretending to be an oldfag
>wanting to help the jew this bad
>not realizing fascism is the best form of government.
You gotta get off that blue pill if you want to be be effective here.
>>73373535
>>73373557
You do realize suing for slander is already a thing, right?
>>73373403
>write purposely [...] false articles
That is exactly what libel is.
>>73373535
Honestly I've been saying that Trump should be able to sue them ever since they started lying about him being racist. Fuck media lies.
>>73375140
>A lot of lawyers are Jewish
>They sue the fuck out of each other to gain the prestigious first landmark cases in libel justice
>>73374168
Not an argument.
>man on corner rants about space aliens taking over the dildo industry
>nobody cares because he's not presenting himself as a news organization
>reporter does a piece about space aliens taking over the dildo industry while using the man on the corner as a reliable source and evidence
>should be held accountable because he's presenting the information while claiming to be reporting facts
>>73375249
>what is the chilling effect?
>>73375525
We have that now in favor of liberals
>>73373403
News is supposed to be unbiased. This is not a question of free speech, but journalistic integrity.
>presenting lies and slander as fact is free speech
Just so you faggots know, you already CAN sue people for lying about you.
Trump isn't really doing anything ground breaking here. He's simply putting more pressure on the media while getting more support from people who are sick of journalist lies.
Media companies can already be sued for slander, fraud and releasing sex tapes like in the Gawker vs Hogan case. Notice how no one is crying about free speech when Gawker is forced to pay Hulk Hogan millions.
If Trump wanted he could sue every news outlet for millions of dollars. The only reason he isn't suing them is because it helps his campaign.
Trust me, the media is going to pay for lying about Trump. He's going to get hundreds of millions in court when he no longer needs the media.
>>73373535
really is that way for a while now ...
in january when more candidates were around /pol/ was at least 1% concerned about Trump but now its a full blown SJW Tier autist shit hole cause they worship him now
>worshipping a politician
>expecting anything great to come out of money hungry power hungry kikes
Its cause most of /pol/ are underage and they don't know how useless politicians really are
>Trump is not a politician
Trump said himself he knows more politicians than most politicians its because he funded democracts openly for 30 years and was extremely political active all of his life
>>73375365
Good then you should be fine with making the laws slightly stricter so that the media can't blatantly lie about a person being a evil nazi.
>>73373403
bye bye kike lugenpresse
hello anon shitposting :D
>>73375724
I don't remember ever saying I was against it.
>>73375721
t. newfag
>>73375485
either way the lawyers win anon
>>73375829
>he doesn't blindly worship a politician
>he must be a newfag
>>73375249
>>implying lax libel laws won't be used to reduce the free speech of the media
If it means shutting the Jew-controlled media the hell up, then by all means...
>those not exclusively loyal to America don't deserve American rights
>>73375138
>>73373403
Good. The media has obviously shown itself over the years to be corrupt, dishonest and outright biased. Drastic checks and balances need to be put in place.
>>73375721
>>73375915
>Trump supporters are a hivemind, everyone agrees with everything he says
Stop.
>>73376176
sadly thats exactly what happened
>>73375018
The Jews are working for Trump, not the other way around.
Hill shills trying to say
Blatant lying in journalism=free speech
>>73373403
I love Donald too..
>>73373403
>having consequences for what you write about isnt free speech even though I can still write and say it
Nice meme
>>73373403
>>73373535
>THE MEDIA SHOULDN'T BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR LIES
I thought you libcucks preached for more media accountability during the Bush administration.
>>73376232
Actually, no, it isn't. And how exactly is the media being held to a higher standard a bad thing? It has nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with ethics in reporting/journalism.
>>73373403
So does Killary. She wants to amend the constitution though.
We're fucked either way
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/416935/hillary-clinton-rewrite-first-amendment-joel-gehrke
The media can ruin careers and lives and they suffer ZERO consequences even if they make it all up.
There has to be some accountability, some check against the media.
>>73376433
its a tricky question and a slippery slope
i agree people who dont lie about shit odnt have anything to fear about .. its what Milo argues constantly
Where does the ride end tho and who says there is no room to simply abuse this power?
People are fed up with the media anyway .. whats the point of restoring trust in them? They are completely garbage and ever will be. Infested by liberal cuck journalists until the end of times cause this sort of work attracts these kind of people.
They don't end up on oil fields.
Its pointless.
I could tell you that its incredibly ironic when its coming from someone like Trump anyway who lies more than the media but i can't say much about this here or i get brigaded with (You)'s by autistic Trump fanboys.
>>73373403
Well what do you expect when news organizations just intentional misuse and twist up his wording at every possible opportunity? They SHOULD be sued.
>>73373403
>>73373535
>writing false articles=free speech
Fuck off faggot, free speech would be saying
>I think Donald Trump is a "XXX"
What they are doing is they are saying
>Donald trump IS a "XXX"
Even now you can't just come up to someone and say "You are a dusting faggot, no one like you and you are pathetic scum"
You can however say "I think you are a dusting faggot that no one will like and a pathetic scum"
Learn the laws of the country you live in faggot.
What is that phrase that SJWs love so much?
I think i goes like "Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences"?
this is just a logical step from their own pet idea.
trump fags are a disgusting cluster fuck on mindless drones.
you truly don't deserved salvation, I am #Hilarysupporter now
>>73373403
its not really about restricting free speech
its about preventing MSM from printing shit like "Trump is literally Hitler" or "Trump says that he hates all Mexicans and Muslims and will gas them all once in power" or shit like "all non-Whites hate Trump and will never vote for him (even after large percentages did vote for him)" etc...
I kinda support that.
I don't like the media being able to outright lie to support whatever political agenda they have. I mean twisting the truth slightly is one thing but they've got way beyond that.
Then again MSM is a completely lost cause so I am not sure it really matters.
At this point I just want people to stop using MSM all together.
![17f4oklkyf8bopng[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/3MErSgM.png "17f4oklkyf8bopng[1].png")
>>73373403
>giving people tools to defends them against slander more easily
this is bad? the press should be able to pump out lies? fuck, i hate post primary /pol/ you can't tell if people are downright retarded or just shills
>>73373403
Lying as a legal "journalistic entity" is not 1st amendment speech. Enforcing libel laws is not censorship. There is no oversight at all for people with the single most important job in any democracy: informing the public. Journalistic ethics like having a legit source or not quoting out of context or not strawmanning your subject, have gone out the fucking window. It's not just Trump they do this to, they do this to any enemy of globalism. And when they aren't demonizing people, they're pushing a cancerous agenda.
>>73373535
You don't care about free speech though. You care about the media's impugned ability to character assassinate someone at will. That isn't democracy, its rule by those who control the airwaves. If giant media corporations were held responsible for lying (like the FCC holds you responsible for cursing, among other things), it would be more profitable to just report the news.
>>73373594
No idea but they're generic left wing radical types. The kind that think global warming is a bigger threat than terrorism.
>>73376618
If Trump lies more than the media, I don't even want to know about Hillary
>>73373535
It says free speech, not lies.
>>73376618
>People are fed up with the media anyway .. whats the point of restoring trust in them?
You basically answered that question with the previous statement. People want to trust the media. They want a reliable source of information.
>its incredibly ironic when its coming from someone like Trump anyway who lies more than the media
That's like, uh, your opinion, man. Again, I don't agree with everything Trump says and he does lie, but that doesn't mean he's not wrong about this particular issue.
>>73377119
they are both liars
>>73377136
>People want to trust the media. They want a reliable source of information.
There is no such thing.
Why am i against it?
Because i live in a country where you get jailed if you do not pay 20 bucks a month to fund the state run liberal propaganda machine that operates with the mission to provide an unbiased and objective news coverage
If you do not pay these 20 bucks you get jailed. In fact some women that calls himself anarchist is currently in jail right now cause she refused to pay.
Nobody can be objective or unbiased its true especially on a massive scale for news corporations, papers, online magazine etc
>>73373403
I am against Trump but if he does this I will love him forever. Fuck Western reporters, a bunch of parasites with liberal arts degrees
>>73373403
>politico
>>73374191
It's illegal but not enforced. At best you can sue somebody. These MSM people have enabled some of the most corrupt leaders our country has ever seen to operate UNCHALLENGED, while character assassinating anyone who dares to question it. They are complicit in the current decline of our country.
It's not like he's saying "lets ban x speech because it hurts my feelings". He's saying "we can't let the people who are supposed to be informing us lie to us CONSTANTLY (not only about Trump, I WISH it only went that far) without any punishment whatsoever. At the very least there should be some way to make them lose credibility.
In a Democracy the most important institution is the media, the 4th estate. They inform the public so the public can make informed decisions when its time to vote. As Michael Savage said: "The 4th Estate has become the 5th Column."
>>73377275
So?
Stop watching that media station.
Make sure none of your fellow citizens watch it.
What good is their propaganda station if no one is watching it?
How can they still demand the fee when the station is practically unused by the majority of the populace?
I mean unless it is popular with immigrants in which case you might be fucked.
>>73374516
IMO instead of changing anything with libel laws, we just need an investigative committee like HUAC. There are so many subversives
and infiltrators in the media its insane.
>>73374637
>>he actually believes kikes hate Trump
>kek
Check my pic faggot.
>>73373535
fuck off hitler
>>73377410
>At the very least there should be some way to make them lose credibility.
They already have.
The best way is for the majority of people to simply stop watching TV or buying most newspaper/magazines.
When the mainstream stops getting revenue then they'll be forced to change or go out of business. Or at the very least they won't be able to poison minds.
Some should start a movement to tell people about how bad MSM is and to boycott it.
A massive citizen boycott of MSM is the only way normal citizens can fight against it.
>>73377435
>How can they still demand the fee when the station is practically unused by the majority of the populace?
lol ... they changed the laws a few years ago and made it mandatory for every household to pay .. weather you own a TV or not.
Before they had to prove to you that you own a TV but they were fed up with this and fucked everyone in the ass for good.
Even if you are blind or deaf you still have to pay 2/3 of the shekels.
How can they demand it? I dont know! ...You can't beat them in court. The judges will always side with this retarded system and if they have to change laws to make it "legal" they will do so in an instant.
You can't escape paying. Obviously you can avoid watching it but you still ahve to pay or you get jailed.
Its that the type of freedom Trumpw ants to bring to the US?
>>73377594
Yeah but if no one was watching these stations and you approaching a judge with that argument wouldn't he be hard pressed not to agree with you?
>Mr German Judge we the citizens are paying this tax for a service that is unused by the majority. How is this acceptable.
Etc...
>is this what Trump wants?
Uh... no. He doesn't want mandatory paid media stations.
When the taxpayer-funded BBC runs rolling news footage 24/7 on the migrant crisis that only shows women and children, they shouldn't be sued. They should have their yid noses cut off with garden shears and be hung from a lampost.
>>73373535
When you are making money off of lies then yes, that's where it ends.
>>73373535
Lying about someone isn't free speech, which is why you can sue for slander. Nothing is changing.
>>73377699
>Yeah but if no one was watching these stations and you approaching a judge with that argument wouldn't he be hard pressed not to agree with you?
no ... they dont give a fuck man. Its a lost cause trust me. We are not the US where people fight against the government ... we shut the fuck up and let everything happen around us! Its Cuckmany after all
They get almost 10 billion bucks a year ... powerful "news" stations.
>Uh... no. He doesn't want mandatory paid media stations.
who knows who knows!
>>73373403
Hopefully he'll shut their lying mouths
>>73377838
Well atleast convincing the citizens that its propoganda/garbage and getting them to avoid watching it is still a good step in the right direction though given how bad Germany seems I suppose they would likely arrest anyone trying to push such ideas.
I am sorry your Government is such shit.
>>73377575
Good luck with that, you might as well try to boycott McDonalds. The only way to fix this is make it a criminal charge to distort the truth on purpose while pretending to be a legitimate journalistic entity.
>presenting incorrect, exaggerated or outright fabricated nonsense to the general public with the aim of pushing an agenda is free speech
Yeah, so Salon and Jezebel are bastions of free speech right? Fuck your freedoms you boot licker. Yes, you are the boot licker, the boot licker of journalists' sandals as they write yet another article about how the white race must be polluted and destroyed at all costs, and you defend this onslaught of your identity and heritage with your bullshit freedumbs garbage.
Oh wait you're probably not even a real /pol/ack you're a shill. Just fuck off we don't care
>>73373403
Holding the press to account for saying lies is a good thing though.
>>73373403
Alright, so I went against my better judgement and decided to read the comments on this article. Of course, it's full of "hurr Drumpf is such a fascist" liberal nonsense even though Trump is only making it easier for people to sue media outlets that report false information to entice them to stop lying, something liberals been screaming about for the last 15 years.
>>73373403
I heard that it used to be this way in America before the 70s or something, right?
>Media on suicide watch
>>73373535
It only applies to news outlets and companies that make money off that soRt of trash. It isn't really outlawing it but people that it targets can sue against them
>>73378647
>I heard that it used to be this way in America before the 70s or something, right?
Kind of, in the sense that the media took itself seriously and tried to report facts rather than spinning a narrative. It wasn't until the Vietnam War where the mass media began to take sides and spread bullshit. Most notably that faggot Walter Cronkite saying the Tet Offensive was a great success for the North Vietnamese when it was the exact opposite.
>>73373403
>You can now sue people for calling you racist
I'm 100% ok with this, people need to cut that shit out
if we're going to live in a world where accusations of racism can get you fired and your life ruined, you better bet that it should be treated as libel
i don't see how he can really, libel laws are codified in each state
>>73377275
>In fact some women that calls himself anarchist is currently in jail right now cause she refused to pay.
Given it costs £30k a year to keep someone in jail she has won. Free food, free energy. All for 20?? hahaha
>>73378392
I don't get why shills do this, if he is indeed one. All this does it give us a reason to argue (in front of newfags hopefully) Trump's positions.
>>73378647
Yes. If you can believe it, the media back then used to EXPOSE crimes of politicians, now they hide them.
Google Woodward and Bernstein, that's what real American investigative journalism is supposed to be.
>>73373403
>Women who cry rape and fuck up peoples live with the false allegation will now be held responsible for it.
Sounds good to me.
>>73373403
Good. They should be locked up. MAGA!
>>73373535
>kike shill detected
They are purposefully offensive and are attempting to cause riots and strife. They should be locked up.
>>73374942
Hardly bait-worthy. Please try again, faggot.
>>73373813
>>73374329
>>73376364
>>73376676
>>73377727
Lol. I remember /pol/acks saying my country has no free speech, and I said what you guys said, free speech means the airwaves gets chock full of lies and idiots. And I'll tell you what those guys told me. The USA believes that no government or court can decide what truth is. Truth is discovered through open discourse, which can only happen when there is free speech.
>the truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains to bring it to light
You guys are just supporting this because it's Trump who says if. If Hillary said it, you'd be all over her about trying to cover up her crimes and destroying the values of America. Truly you fucks are lost when you believe something because a politican said it.
>>73375058
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvVm5mWH6mU
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvVm5mWH6mU
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvVm5mWH6mU
Very fucking relevant, spam shill this shit. Vernaculis hit's the nail on the head with regards to the media.
>>73373535
Knowingly lying seems like libel to begin with.
If anything, Knowingly lying in an attempt to disrupt the democratic process should be criminal, rather than a civil issue.
>>73377727
what's capitalism?
pic related
note: the Clintons ain't winning like a fucking bitch aka; Donald trump
>>73381120
The problem is when the ""journalists"" state they cannot disclose their source for the lie, then nothing can be done.
>>73373535
>Libel is free speech
Maybe you shouldn't lie about people in a professional capacity, then you wouldn't get sued.
>>73381279
And who decides who's lying?
>>73380828
>The USA believes that no government or court can decide what truth is
I don't know who told you that, but I sure didn't. It's not even true.Courts decide the truth thousands of times a day, based on the evidence in a trial. It should be pretty easy in a criminal court of law to prove if a journalist or journalistic entity was lying, if they actually were, you just ask them for their source or evidence. It's not like the State would arbitrarily decide who is lying based on opinion.
Singapore has no first amendment, you have a State media IIRC. You can go to jail for saying the wrong thing.That's a lot different from holding the media accountable for lying.
>>73381322
Facts. If you make a factual claim that you cannot prove, then you are lying.
>>73381368
Again, this is NOT A PROBLEM, if you make it an opinion piece. When you claim with no evidence at all that Trump is a racist or a fascist, with no evidence, and report it as fact, THAT IS A LIE. The main problem is they pass themselves off as legitimate, respectable sources of information. No one cares when tabloids lie all the time, because they don't pretend to be legitimate.
>>73373535
>I use buzzwords without knowing what they mean
Stop. Posting.
>>73377279
We just have to do this a few thousand more times, and the media MIGHT go back to doing their job.
>>73381207
I believe the word you were looking for was"whining"
>>73381207
>Pointing out criminal tier crimes against the Nation is whining
Yeah, wouldn't it be great for you fascist leftists if no one complained ever and just became your willing slaves?
>>73381340
I mean truth as in what is expressed by the media to the public.
Except for the opinion pieces. How do you verify subjective opinions like communism is morally superior to captialism, or that Regan was a bad president? Or what if I called Bush a retarded baby? A lot of libel doesn't have to do with verifiable truth. Libel is something that defames someone.
We have the Internet and outside sources. A foreign journalist was sued for saying the current prime minister was chosen because he was the former prime minister's son and was sued. More recently a teenager was sent to jail for hurtful remarks against Christians.
>>73373403
>forcing media to actually report the facts
>a bad thing
?
>>73373915
The freedom of the press?
Listen faggot. The freedom of the press is the freedom to investigate whatever the fuck it wants so that the truth can be uncovered.
The press isn't doing that anymore, they're manufacturing lies because they're all owned by 4 major corporations.
Good now I can sue everyone that calls me a leaf or cuck
Oh wait I don't live in America ;-:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M6FXuFPayY
Do you really want this fascist nazi in power, 4chan? WE CAN'T LET HISTORY REPEAT ITSELF. OUR LAST HOPE FOR FIGHTING THIS EVIL IS TO VOTE HILARY. SHE MIGHT NOT BE PERFECT, BUT AT LEAST SHE ISN'T A NAZI. TRUE FREEDOM-LOVING AMERICANS WILL VOTE HILLARY #NeverTrump
>>73373535
No, free speech ends when you make shit up and spout lies and drivel like the media does.
>>73381368
Except that if I say "I think the Democrats are right", it's true. And all opinion pieces, the one which is about politics, is implicitly made in this vein. Assuming they weren't, you're just enforcing a legality, the media would say "I think..." before writing. Libel is character assassination, not lying.
>>73382084
This is America we are talking about
What is more likely to happen is big corporations and their million dollar law firms will be spend billions on libel suits if anyone reports anything damaging to their bottom lines, bury them litigation and good luck fighting those legal fees if you are a small website or reporting source
>>73382169
>Congress shall make no law infringing on the freedom of press
Freedom of press means their ability to publish, not just investigate. It's all nice sounding to say, "they'll only sue people who lie", but in practice someone has to decide what the truth is. You're shifting this responsibility to the court. The Constitution was written in such a way that people would decide for themselves.
>>73382372
Both of those things are true though so it isn't libel
>>73373535
"negative and horrible and false articles"
the general public is already protected
the public class, like Donald they can write hes a Hitler Drumpf that killed somebody and got away with it etc and he can't sue them because muh Jewish press
>>73373535
American "journalism"
Trump just needs to get the anti-propaganda laws back on the books.
Obama retired them so the Lying Press can now "report" on whatever their CIA "Truth-verifier" tells them to publish. It's how Trump began the quadruple super-Hitler who is a combination of Hitler, Mussolin, Stalin and Osama bin Laden. What i'm saying is HE'S THE CHAOS CANDIDATE HE'S DANGEROUS DON AND HE'S A SUPER FASCIST WHO'LL START WORLD WAR 3 THAT'S WHY I'M A SHILL FOR SHILLARY NAO
>>73383114
>they can write hes a Hitler Drumpf that killed somebody
No. There are already laws against that.
>>73373403
OP learn what libel means dumb fuck. American news media is backwards and corrupt it's actually nice seeing someone saying they will go after them on their bull shit
>>73374702
>>73373403
There's no problem with this.
Any publically traded company that lies publically, especially trying to damage another entity or individual, should be sued into bankruptcy.
>>73383385
There are already libel laws.
>>73373638
its Editor, Susan Glasser, is a jew
>>73373403
>DISHONEST MEDIA
>>73383496
Yes but the bullshit the big ones get away with is cringe worthy at times. Politico isn't news anyways it's just a big editorial so he probably didn't even word it the way they claim.
>>73373535
Trump is the lesser evil for amerca m8 he aint perfect or good but still better than the other alternatives but then again i doubt he even has a chance
>>73383496
...which apparently need to be strengthened and actually enforced.
>the media should be able to fully lie and misinform the people
no they shouldn't
>FASCIST, TOTALITARIAN, WHY DO YOU HATE FREE SPEECH?!?!
>>73383703
LITERALLY HITLER
>>73373403
There's a large difference between free speech with intent to tell the truth and free speech with intent to spread misinformation in order to wrongly influence the masses.
Which one do you think should be illegal?
>correcttherecord thinks this will work
>>73383505
>Glasser
Would she launch the nukes, anons?
>>73382891
>report facts you can prove
>get sued
>you have evidence
>present the evidence
>win the case
>make money
I don't see the problem
Oh wait, maybe because it would go like this
>report rumors and stories without evidence to back it up to cash in on sensationalism
>get sued
>you have no evidence
>lose money
>your lying ass is out of business
HOLY SHIT THIS IS TERRIBLE
>>73384003
Yes I guess we can trust the US justice system to work out for the best
Good luck trying to win a case against high profile law firms if you are reporting of corruption and criminal negligence and against Exxon or Monsanto
>>73384168
>posts a picture of OJ
>that later got caught due to evidence coming out
You're not very bright, are you?
>>73384168
considering juries are largely biased towards an individual vs a corporation i really wouldn't worry about it
i.e. mcdonalds coffee trial, disney hotel room trial
>>73384291
He got charged with a different crime at a time when he was broke and no one gave a shit about him
He got away with a bulletproof high profile murder case with a dream team of lawyers
>>73373535
This. /pol/ has turned into a giant faggy safespace for trumptards. Any contrary opinions are shouted down as HURR SHILL despite there being 24/7 Trump Generals for months full of WHICH MAGA HAT SHOULD I BUY YOU GUISE
>>73373403
The left wants 'truthful' speech to be hate speech.
The right wants to enforce an obligation not to intentionally deceive the customer upon a profession.
These are not the same thing.
This means the media will actually have to prove their allegations now. If you can't prove something you said, you shouldn't have said it to begin with.
>>73373403
>muh free speech
You are fucking retarded. America once had laws that prevented news networks to get away with lying and manipulating the public, but they were abolished and the media is in the sorry state that it is today
Imagine the facist hellhole where this existed
>The Fairness Doctrine was a policy of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC), introduced in 1949, that required the holders of broadcast licenses both to present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was—in the Commission's view—honest, equitable, and balanced. The FCC eliminated the Doctrine in 1987, and in August 2011 the FCC formally removed the language that implemented the Doctrine.[1]
>>73384451
who else /classicred/ MAGA hat?
>>73385108
The FCC is unelected though. Having some random committee decide what is and isn't allowed, is actual fascism.
Having the courts decide is a much better solution
