>raise the voting age to 25
What would even be the downside?
>>73353367
None really. It'd probably be for the best.
>>73353367
>old people vote themselves unlimited welfare for life
>young people can't do shit about it
Basically what has already happened with SS and medicare.
>>73353367
None. All those infowars videos of bernigger protestors are more than enough reason to up the voting age, or get rid of universal suffrage altogether
>>73353367
Remains to be seen. Who knows if the current libtard college kids will grow out of it this time.
I'd rather have people be forced to pass a test on current events and U.S. government. Doesn't have to be difficult or obscure, just enough to where you can weed out people that are completely fucking clueless.
>>73353367
Right, but if you can be drafted and die for your country in a war but aren't represented. That poses a problem.
Policies significantly affect people who are entering adulthood at 18. As such they should have a say.
No one should be able to vote except me desu.
None
>>73353367
Well it's not like we vote anyway so it probably wouldn't matter. You'd just piss off a couple of people.
>>73353367
She has awesome tits.
Also, this >>73353515
>>73353542
Demolish the draft, we don't need one when we're an all volunteer army.
Demoshits would lose their edge. Now they'd have to depend only on the beaner and woman vote.
boobie!
>>73353542
That's why they amended the Constitution.
All the posting on the Internet ever will never change the voting age.
Nah instead cut off voting at 65. Those old folks are near death's door; why should they have a say on things after they die.
How about we just make it so no one born after 1989 can vote
>>73353814
So then we enter some dystopian future where the last people born on 1989 die and then no one can vote?
>>73353517
Fucking THIS.
I'm shocked to hear a fellow leaf say it.
When you give every idiot a vote, and the unproductive classes outnumber the productive classes (ie: those that generate real tax money), those who stand to lose will vote for personal gain and ignore the greater good.
Giving women the vote was a major mistake, but we can't take it back now.
-Federal government worker? No federal vote for you.
-Get welfare? No voting for you: period.
-Provincial/State worker? No provincial elections for you.
And so on.
You should be over 25 and have a job that does not rely on tax dollars to get a say.
Otherwise, warm body democracy will fuck us all.
>>73353557
Yeah, 18 year olds are children. Little shits can't even buy alcohol. Hell, in California you can't even buy cigarettes, but go ahead and keep thinking that you can reasonably decide the effective leadership of an entire country.
>>73353367
>Not raising to 45
>>73353367
Raise the voting sex to male.
Make it based on taxes paid. If you pay several million dollars in taxes your vote should count for more than some lazy welfare leech.
Voting age should be increased.
The issue is that the state of adolescence is now extended into the early/mid twenties, since so many young adults are delaying entry into the workforce due to college and such. So we have a large swath of people age 18-22 or so that have essentially never worked an actual job besides retail side gigs while in college.
And of course we all know that the people who failed socialist/liberal policies appeal to the most are those that do not have jobs. In other words, niggers and college kiddies want gibsmedats. And it's fundamentally inappropriate to have these leech groups being allowed to vote themselves more free shit.
Honestly universal suffrage was a fucking mistake. Ideally it'd just be land-owning white males. But I'd be okay with doing it one step at a time. First it's changed to over 25. Then it's changed to those with stable jobs. Then it's only men. And finally only whites.
>>73354732
>>73353367
Marian reforms build a thousand year Roman Empire.
All new citizen ships only given to 10 year service veterans of the army, entire population with military tier discipline, unstoppable super power for centuries. Until someone decides its easier to le the Mexicans fight your wars and you collapse internally.
>>73354233
>You should be over 25 and have a job that does not rely on tax dollars to get a say.
So are you disqualified from voting if you are employed by a company that gets tax breaks?
>>73353802
That's actually another good point. The problem with elderly voters is the same as with young adult voters. They're jobless and rely on handouts and will always vote for more statist welfare bullshit.
It's also the reason why we're in such a debt mess due to things like social security and medicare. Nobody is willing to seriously tackle these issues because if you actually do something about it, you'll lose the support of literally everyone >65yo, which is a death sentence to your electability.
Anyone on government bennies should not be entitled a vote. Too much of a conflict of interest.
>>73354567
Kek
True tho
>>73353367
It should be exclusivly for Land owners, and or people who pay federal taxes. This shit where the parasites vote for more freebies is the death of any country
>>73354276
Yet at 18 they can go fight for their country. Shut the fuck up retard
>>73353367
why not /whitelandowner/ only?
>>73353367
I am under 25 and even I agree with this. Everyone my age is a brain dead cunt. I might also be a brain dead cunt for all I know.
Only land-owning (minimum size would be defined in the legislature) White males over the age of 25 should be able to vote.
Give me one reason why this would be a bad thing without resorting to emotionalism and feels.
>>73355044
Raise the enlistment age to 25. Or only let those who have served in the military and are under 25 vote. There, problem solved fag.
>>73353367
Then raise the draft age to 25.
If you can go to war then you can vote. Also drinking age should be 18 too.
>>73355066
Wishful thinking
>>73354903
"more black kids die before 25 than white kids therefore this law is racis"
Al Sharpton would totally say this
>>73354233
>Get Welfare? No working for you: Period.
Hmmm... that somehow sounds way too abusable.
>>73353515
>25 year Olds can vote
>old people
You guys are so fucking dumb I can't even read your replies
>>73354903
Repealing universal suffrage is the easiest way to retake and fix western civilization. The only other real alternative is forced deportations of nonwhites, which would also be great but is much harder to get people to support you for.
Even a dindu infested shit hole like south fucking africa was able to function decently despite only being a small fraction white, and all due to the limited suffrage.
But the way things are now, we have minorities coming across the border, who then vote overwhelming for leftists who support open borders so they can have even more minorities coming across the border, ad infinitum. Same goes with welfare. Minorities are able to vote for welfare, which allows them to raise more kids than they would otherwise. The artificially high birth rates results in even more minorities who then vote for even more welfare, etc etc etc. Positive feedback loop of statism.
Most of /pol/ wouldn't be able to vote.
Whether that's a good or bad thing is debatable though.
>>73355213
So why can women vote if they cant be drafted?
>>73355187
I unironically suppport this idea at the local government level in Australia. Why should people who don't fucking pay rates get to vote on how the rate payer money is spent? Or indeed vote for candidates that might seek to increase the rates for me that they won't be paying.
>>73355187
It's gross and racist.
>>73355305
No gooks allowed in this thread, get out.
We don't even need to explicitly exclude non-whites from voting. It should just be based on taxes.
>when you register to vote you provide SSN
>running net tax burden starts getting counted at age 25, the first year you can vote
>the total amount of money that you've paid in taxes exceeds the total amount of money that you've received in means tested welfare, then you can vote. if it doesn't, then you can't vote
This would disenfranchise most minorities and most women. And, it is actually perfectly fair instead of a policy that would disenfranchise the outlier women/minorities that actually do contribute.
>>73355044
>small portion of our country goes to fight wars at 18
>therefore the other 99% of 18 year old retarded children in college should also get to vote even though they don't know jack fucking shit.
This isn't even consistent, btw. Drinking age is 21. Old enough to die for your country but not to get a beer?
>>73353367
It is inherently wrong to treat an individual as an adult in the face of society when it comes to obligations (conscription, legal status in crime, taxation, etc) and then disallow them the possibility to have their say.
In the same way that rights beget duties, so do duties beget rights.
>>73353367
The niggers would all be dead before they had a chance to vote
>>73355450
he's a backpacker breeding qt jungle azns
>>73355305
The drowning pool is over here, anon.
>>>/out/
>>73355461
Or we could save money by having them read and comprehend a bus schedule.
>>73355187
because then you could buy swathes of land to prevent people from voting?
I'm in favor of removing universal suffrage and restricting it to one vote per family with children.
No kids? No vote.
Getting divorced? You lose your vote.
Outlive your kids? Depends on whether your kids made at least one grandchild.
>>73354983
Here is how life goes
18-25 I am young and have debt and have no skills help me! (leftist)
25-30 I am getting by okay but not great (moderate)
30-60 Why the fuck are these parasites taking all my money! (rightist)
60-65 Shit i see retirement coming and idk if i have enough saved mmmm (moderate)
65-on I am old and can't work i need help (leftist)
So yeah. You need help at the beginning of your life and help at the end of it. Between then you don't want to help anyone cause you are making enough to support yourself.
The truth is people are selfish assholes short sighted. They want to get help and want others to pay for it when they need it then they want people who need help to leave them the fuck alone when they are making money.
How about just be fucking moderate the whole and accept that you needed help before and will again but also know people should not have to overextend for you to live in fucking luxury cause you sure as hell didn't extend that far for them in your prime.
>>73355187
also want to add, people that already own land could decide to just not sell it to people who would not vote the way they wanted them to
>>73355549
>drowning pool
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>>73353536
Liberals will say that keeping retards from voting will prevent blacks and Mexicans from voting and that somehow makes somehow YOU the racist one.
>>73355322
they should be draftable. If not in combat roles they should be drafted into at least reserve roles. The fact they are not is bullshit.
>>73355672
This all the way
>>73355495
You're taking a fuzzy ideological stance on this issue, rather than one based in tangible pragmatism.
Due to the delayed adolescence of the modern age, 18-25 year olds are not experienced enough. They don't have jobs or property. They have little concept of what is "the real world" and vote heavily for fanciful unrealistic bullshit like socialism, because they don't know any better yet and don't have a personal stake like someone with an actual job.
But if it's really that big of a deal, you can vote early if you're in the armed forces.
>>73355681
Nothing wrong with this. The most successful people in society should be the ones who govern society,
>>73353367
More like:
>lower the maximum voting age to 49
We would never have another conservashit politician again. The inevitable death of baby boomers would be accelerated politically and we could finally truly progress in this country.
>>73355825
so you have no issue with the jews running the world?
>Can be tried as an adult.
>Can be drafted to fight and die for your country.
>Can't vote for the people who make the laws or wars
Yeah, nah. Piss off and raise your kids better, if they aren't turning out like you want them to when they hit 18.
>>73354233
That's retarded
You can set any sort of arbitrary standards to define who can or can't vote based on who you do or don't like using this logic
This is like a Democrat saying
>You make more than 200,000 a year? You don't vote
>You're a CEO? You don't vote
>You own a big business? You don't vote
At least with the age of 18 you can argue that a person is legally an adult at that age
>>73355767
The fact that you think women are capable of military roles is bullshit.
>>73353367
The real problem would be that a good chunk of college age kids would get fucked over, as would anyone new to the work-force. It'd quickly create an elite society, designed for those older and more experienced.
>>73353367
35 would be even better.
>>73355450
I'm not Khmer, clappyfat.
>>73354276
This
>>73355829
>>lower the maximum voting age to 49
This. We need to kill off the old people who will be choking our economy to death with the SS benefits they've voted in for themselves.
>>73353367
Katy Perry is one dumb chick.
>>73355950
How about we make this simple and abolish the state and allow natural hierarchies to organize?
>>73355990
>It'd quickly create an elite society,
How is this bad?
>>73355951
They can do something. Are you telling me the milary could not find jobs for woman? They can cook, clean, drive, do secretary work, do logistics and help in various support roles. Intelligence doesn't mean you can't be useful.
>>73355829
This is really a genius idea. Disenfranchise the working people at the top of their earning years who pay the most payroll taxes, as well as seniors who pay the majority of property taxes.
Are you fucking stupid?
>>73355950
No, he is not an adult since Obama said that children can be on their parents insurance till age 26.
>>73353367
Even more stagnant political system. The US is totally incapable of taking care of the citizens in a modern way.
>>73353367
Add; "exceptions for military" and were good.
>>73355950
Frankly all of that would be good too in addition to >>73354233
Not that those people are a huge percentage of the populace or anything. Their money is more important than their votes.
>>73355672
The underlying premise of your argument is flawed. Bennies are never needed. All they do is result in unproductive rent-seekers who just sit back and ride the gibsmedat wave.
You know what we had before an extensive welfare nanny state? Your parents helped you get a leg up on life when you were started off on your own. And when you got old, your children helped take care of you. Of course now this doesn't happen and we've just replaced it with a nanny state, which has also resulted in the decline of the family unit.
Your solution doesn't even make any sense "just be moderate guys!". That's like just telling everyone to vote for what's right and then expecting everything to work out fine. What you propose is just the current system, which has lead to today's scenario in which we have spiraling debt bubbles and financial crises all due to welfare state ponzi schemes that are literally unable to be fixed due to voting demographics.
>>73355474
You actually could buy alcohol at 18 at one point, but that was changed to 21 because of drunk driving. If people can't vote until 25 then they shouldn't be tried as adults until 25 or drafted in the military, and we all know what a disaster the former would be.
>>73355950
The difference is the people on the higher end of the curve are productive members of society. Richfags are also far fewer and there isn't some massive voting block of people making >200k that have a stranglehold at the voting booths.
Of course, corporate globalist shills also have their own corporate welfare through lobbying and such, but that's an entirely separate issue that should also be sorted out.
>>73356348
You can be tried as an adult when you turn 18. Unless you're suggesting we should change that to 25 too?
>>73356529
>You actually could buy alcohol at 18 at one point, but that was changed to 21 because of drunk driving.
And likewise, the voting age is currently 18 but should be changed to 21 because of to many retarded socialists with no real life experience in that demographic. Arguably worse for society as a whole than a few drunk drivers.
>>73355803
if you want to create some criteria, like being a neet, or dependent on the state, you might have a better case, though I will still disagree with you.
Age by itself though is not a valid criteria unless you want to change their legal status from adults to minors. And I'll disagree with that too.
Since I, as a left wing guy with a leaning towards direct democracy will mostly disagree with these ideas, let me just say that the only sensible restriction to voting amounts to tests on history, culture, and political philosophy and ideologies (that sort of hurt to say as someone studying in stem, but yeah), and even that can be a bit sketchy.
Socialism is not " fanciful unrealistic bullshit" in itself, but most state heavy propositions disregard how competition is a major driver in innovation and civilizational progress. Nevertheless it is a net positive for state intervention to scale on vital demands of the population when demand is inelastic in relation to price.
>>73353367
Doesn't solve anything. The problem isn't that the young are voting, it's that the politically illiterate are. Universal suffrage was a mistake. We don't allow people to just start driving cars without a series of tests to prove their competency, why do we allow them to affect change on the most important institution in the world without any level of proven understanding?
>>73353367
I'm 20 and I agree. In fact I would even make it as high as 35
>>73356852
The different things we're talking about (age vs welfare usage vs knowledge) are all just proxies for the same thing, since they correlate. It's just easier to go with an age cutoff since it's easier to define. If you base it on something like benny usage, then that could quickly spiral out of control until you end up with something not unlike a tax code to determine who can or cannot vote. Too many ins and outs. And the knowledge test is too subjective and abusable.
>>73356809
And voting for a presidential candidate you don't like is nowhere near equatable to people literally dying because other people were driving drunk
Even if a president is the most corrupt guy on the planet there are checks and balances and limitations to what he can do. The supreme court can stop him, Congress can stop him, etc. This is no way the same as getting hit by a drunk driver
>>73356903
babysteps.
>>73354960
No need to split hairs. It's a starting point.
Government employees are massive voting blocks who like to bitch about their entitlements.
>>73353367
Unless you're a Trump supporter, there is no downside
>>73354233
Then District a will control district b and vise versa. There is no escape from corruption
>>73356852
This is why young people shouldn't vote. We need to cut out as many left-wing demographics as possible.
>blacks
>Borderjumpers
>Women
>Young people
>Fags
>Muslims
>Poor people
>>73357097
Except voting applies to more than just the president. You vote for everyone that governs you, more or less, except for the judiciary branch.
>>73353367
if youre old enough to be sent off to die for your country, youre old enough to vote. This doesn't apply to women though since theyre never gonna be drafted.
>>73353367
Tell that to Lance Corporal Schmuckatelli who's in the field on his 19th birthday digging a fighting hole and training for a war that he has absolutely zero right to representation.
Please go fuck yourself.
I wouldn't be able to vote for Trump this year.
>>73353367
I have a better one.
End women's suffrage. All of the world's problems solved.
>>73355027
>>73354732
>>73355066
>>73355187
>>73357414
If he didn't want to fight in a war, then why did he join the military? Why wasn't he a conscientious objector?
Would it have made a difference if he voted no and THEN got shipped out?
>>73353367
Poll tax.
If you don't pay taxes you don't get to vote, if you can't pay taxes but you want to have a stake in society then civil or military service should grant you the right to vote.
Heinlein had it best. No vote unless you serve. This way you can only vote if you worked for it and ACTUALLY really want it.
>>73357786
This is perfect actually.
>>73357786
>>73358028
>>73357899
Any system will do really. Literally anything that just prevents rent-seeking leeches from subverting the system and it's fine.
>>73354233
Long story short: No representation without taxation.
>>73353557
Policies affect everyone, like kids, animals or retards; but that doesn't mean you should let them vote
>>73353367
Better solution: limit it to the employed.
>>73353367
>>73358565
How about must be at least 25 and employed?
>>73358565
If you're going to do that, add to it that they must be a net taxpayer.
>>73357414
Was he drafted?
Is there actually a war on?
If no to either, Lance Corporal Whatsis is no more earning his vote than a 12 year old kid writing an essay for history class.
Honestly, since people seem to be pushing the responsibilities of adulthood back (education, employment, living at home, insurance) it only makes sense we push back the privileges of adulthood as well.
My grandpa graduated highschool with enough of an education to start and run his own business, after six years of owning a business, he got the distinct privilege of liberating Germany.
You just try and tell me that the 20 year old fuck up (who is too incompetent to even shave his face) that serves me my lunch is functioning on the same level as my grandfather at that age.
>>73358565
The problem here is that liberals would run schemes where they hire a bunch of niggers who each work 1 hour a week at half minimum wage in order to qualify. These are the same people that go around filling buses with minorities and then pushing them into voting booths
>>73358793
You know who else shows such utter disrespect for veterans? Liberals.
>>73354713
That would lead to a democracy where only the rich have a say
>>73354233
>arbitrarily disenfranchising the military and all feds
>meanwhile Walmart janitors have full voting rights
A fucking leaf everyone
>>73359027
That would be a good thing (or at least better than what we have now).
>>73359202
But that's basically what we have now, but for different reasons. Right now the donor class is able to influence politics through lobbying. Only difference is your way would just be the same thing but more direct.
It'd still have the same result. Whether the country is filled with mudskins because other mudskins vote for their family to be let in or because globalists want cheap labor is irrelevant.
>>73359027
We already have that. Donors are more important in elections than voters. They define the acceptable positions for parties to hold. His idea is dumb because it would have little effect.
>>73359202
Yeah, the plutocratic elite know what's best for us, they shouldn't have to be so sneaky about it.
>>73359381
Its not what I advocate, but having a system where people who own land vote would be a lot better that allowing every black kid on the block to vote democrat.
Wouldn't a good compromise be setting the voting age to 25-60, with an exception for under 25s if they serve in the military?
>>73353367
I couldnt vote for Trump :(
Minimum voting age: 25
Maximum voting age: 55
That should fix things. Can't make it much worse anyways.
>>73359637
That'd be a much better and simply solution. Has has been stated before ITT, the founding fathers had the right idea limiting suffrage to land-owning white males.
>>73353437
>>73353367
I support the idea
25 is a good age to start voting because anyone younger than that hasn't truly lived enough to understand the world properly to make a vote that goes in the countries best interest
Look at canada as an example, young females voted for him because he is hot and somewhat fit and young guys voted him because DUDE WEED
Voter eligibility questions need to be created (such as)
>>Name the last 3 presidents
>>Name your current governor
>>Name two congressmen in your state
Nothing too crazy, just to weed out the 90% of the people who can't answer those questions
>>73359677
>>73359806
>60 year olds shouldn't be able to vote
Do you realize how many of our presidents and politicians were/are 60+? You're only getting wiser at that age.
Trump is 69 for fucks sake. Man I hate millennials
>right wing extremists supporting voter suppression
how has the party of Lincoln sunken so low?
>>73353367
fuck you, age has nothing to do with voting, make it based off of employment status
>>73360684
The issue they're having is the fact that social security and medicare are a thing, and in our political system, it's literally impossible to scale back and/or fix these programs because then none of the >65yo voters would support you and you'd be DOA.
>>73353367
Why isn't she being arrested for wearing that!? How is this even Fucking allowed!?
>>73360850
it's a shop dumbass
Other than butthurt under 25s, but no downside at all
>>73353367
Make voting age 25 and minimum 115 IQ
Have a weighted vote system, because the idea you can't vote for the people who can send you to war among other things is a little ridiculous, but at the same time <30 people are usually quite dumb. I'd say 20 year olds are worse than teenagers.
>>73353515
>Implying that most young people aren't Leftists who would vote for this shit anyways.
>>73353367
There are no downsides. Ideally, voting would be strictly limited to property owning white males over the age of 25. There are some benefits to popular suffrage though, so limiting the popular vote to males over the age of 25 regardless of race is an acceptable compromise (regardless of race only because undoing the 14th amendment is politically impossible).
Anything else, such as extending the vote to women or people under the age of 25 who can't into understanding policy, was a tremendous mistake which has aided in destroying the fabric of the nation.
>>73360928
There you lose all your loyal conservative redneck base and leave the country in the hands of the leftist science community.
>>73353542
Surely there can be a constitutional amendment that grants an exception to 18-24 year old men who are serving or have served in a branch of the armed forces, right? Why do we have to grant the voting franchise to ALL 18 year olds?
>>73361082
lel
>>73353367
dem teddies
>>73353367
Americans grills are best grills
>>73359160
No-one else gets to vote for their boss. Why should public servants?
>>73359027
No we wouldn't, because the rich use various legal mechanisms to avoid paying personal taxes.
>>73361580
>>73361492
That's photoshop, and she's a jew.
>>73353367
is black hair rare on girls?
you hardly ever see it
suffrage was never mean to be universal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcfXI37WZ3w
>>73361848
Oh please, we both known she's American mutt, Robert.
>>73353367
the more progressive party would always win the election
>>73353367
Leave it at 18 but only allow men to vote there problem fixed since 18 year old men can be drafted
>>73353367
There should be a basic test about politics in your country and if you can comprehend it, you get to vote, simple.
>>73361779
They use the money they save from loopholes to lobby the government to push their agenda. This way they don't have to do so much footwork.
Would there be any downside to a voting requisite of constitutional literacy, as determined by a proctored exam requiring at least one essay on a randomly selected supreme court decision?
>>73362642
It would deter people who do other things with their lives than study from voting, and would give too much power to those who compose and grade the exams.
>>73353367
Only people with a positive, nonzero tax rate should be allowed to vote since they are the ones who pay for policies.
>>73362642
Essays are too subjective and take much longer to mark than other forms of examination.
A multiple choice or short answer quiz would make much more sense.
>>73363155
Fetuses are human beings
O True
O False
>>73362925
>>73363155
I was about to respond but it occurs to me that any consideration for these points would result in a diluted test that's easy to scam and doesn't demonstrate anything useful.
Maybe this anon >>73362999 has the answer.
Delay voting age until the age of 25 or first full year of full time employment after age 18. That way 19 year olds who went to a trade school and are working full time are able to vote but people still disconnected from reality by being in college from age 18-24 aren't able to vote until they reach voting age.
Most colleges are basically extended high school anyway outside of high level STEM programs or trade schools that force you to work as you learn.
>>73353367
I wouldn't be able to vote for Trump. So yeah kys
>>73362999
People on min wage vote for the min wage to be raised, and laid-off laborers can't contest.
>>73353367
Why not keep voting age the same, but you must be a tax payer to vote.
>ITT: Republicans scrambling to use voter suppression to remain competitive
Stay mad bitch niggas.
>>73363688
Establishment conservatives are just ass blasted that their neocon fuccbois can't get elected but desu there do need some changes that need to be made to voting.
Most people don't even know who the fuck their Congressman is or are completely disconnected from society yet they're allowed to vote.
>>73356340
No, they endanger literally everything they are involved with in the military you stupid fucking faggot
>>73354903
I believe Iowa is red in the men only voting map.
>>73363892
>you stupid fucking faggot
Nice argument you have there.
>>73363688
>After democrats successfully manipulate a change in voter racial demographics to suit their needs
It's not hard to see why these people are mad and disenfranchised over the current system.
>>73364122
That wasn't an argument, it was an insult. Can't you tell the difference?
>>73363892
I unironically believe that women are fine in the military as long as they can pass the same physical tests as men
>>73355027
>People who pay federal taxes
Anyone that's filled out a W4 form for a job already pays federal taxes through their paycheck.
>>73364221
Yeah well you'd be wrong. They fuck literally everything up outside of a very small minority that actually do make good soldiers and workers. Not to mention the fact that they generally DON'T pass the same physical tests as men, and this may never be an actual requirement for women in the military. Ever.
>>73355194
The Selective Service System requires all able-bodied men at the age of 18-26 to sign up for a draft in the U.S., while there's ~15 million men who are in that age range. It doesn't seem viable to change that.
>>73353367
Decrease in left wing party's power
>>73353367
The downside is you'd have more Baby Boomers and older people voting. These people are the ones watching Faux News and CNN all day, absorbing all the propaganda. Their T.V. tell them how to vote. Some of these people, sadly, are absolutely hopeless. They've been brainwashed too long, and they're too old and set in their ways to change their minds.
Younger people tend to be more malleable, which is both good and bad.
>>73364317
Outside of social friction created by early 20 year olds not able to control their lust for cock/betaness, I cannot see a problem with the women in military. Shame they'll never change the physical requirements for both genders to share the same test
>>73353517
Said the Leaf
>>73364893
Not that you have to listen to the opinion of a "it's a mixtape not an album it doesn't have to be good" type person.
>>73353542
Keep the voting age at 18 and instate mandatory 18 months of military training after graduating high school
>>73364893
>Outside of social friction created by early 20 year olds not able to control their lust for cock/betaness,
>outside of problems with a significant portion of the military I cannot see a problem with the women in military
Not only that, but you have no idea just how fucking retarded women can be in the military, especially in ours in its current state.
Women fuck EVERYTHING UP
EVERYTHING
THEY CAN'T BE OFFICERS
THEY CAN'T DO WORK WITHOUT CHATTING IT UP WITH OTHER WOMEN AND ESCHEWING ALL OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES
THEY CAN'T FIGHT
THE ONLY THING THEY'RE GOOD AT IS BEING COCK CAROUSELS FOR THE HUNDREDS OF HORNY MEN ON BASE
THERE IS A VERY SMALL MINORITY OF WOMEN WHO ARE ACTUALLY CAPABLE OF BEING GOOD SOLDIERS
MOST OF THEM ARE ATHLETES OR WORK IN BUSINESS
THE MILITARY GETS THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL
>>73365202
So couldn't we open up a pay grade for military prostitutes?
>>73364893
>>73365202
>Outside of social friction created by early 20 year olds not able to control their lust for cock/betaness,
Actually what does this even fucking mean
I assumed it was an observation on how women fuck anyone they can in the military, especially officers, but reading it I can't help but wonder if that's the case because it's so poorly worded and makes fuck all sense
All that can be expected from a leaf I suppose, I just wish that you dumb faggots were able to actually formulate a comprehensible sentence or point
>>73365333
That doesn't really sound like a good idea family
>>73353367
they are so perfect, like two plumpy grapefruits
ITT: commies that hate freedom
>>73353367
>What would even be the downside?
Democrat politicians lose their jobs, go on welfare, then go hungry because their welfare gets cut off.
>>73353542
>Right, but if you can be drafted and die for your country in a war but aren't represented.
Hate this argument.
Put it like this. Why are people who don't own a job or own property allowed to vote on issues that affect the use of tax dollars or the amount of taxes collected? Isn't that a conflict of interest? If you don't have a job, but still receive the benefits of taxes, such as roads, welfare, police, firemen, and so forth, how can your vote on these issues EVER be objective if you are not a stakeholder, i.e., a taxpayer?
>>73353542
Also, just for the record, I don't agree with allowing 18 year olds to serve in the military and dispreferring older recruits. When you force such young people to fight and kill before they understand really what they are doing or how to cope with it, you just create an entire class of people who have PTSD and are dependent on welfare after they leave the service.
An entire generation of legal adults would be under-represented. Imagine laws affecting those 18-25 ending up on a ballot. They'd have no say whatsoever. Get out of my country.
>>73353367
As a 19 year old DO IT. My generation will fuck up everything
Instead of upping the voting age, just make it that if you register to vote, you will also automatically register into the selective service system and can be drafted into war. This would apply to both women and men.
>Hoards of adults over 25 are voting for Hilary Clinton
>25 year old fedoras would rather limit voting rights to legal adults and essentially be a traitor to the spirit of this nation as a blind attempt to solve the problem
Testing at the polls > this idea of yours.
A better way is to ban stupid people from voting. People under 25 aren't 100% liberal, I've seen almost as many people around my age(20) that are for Trump as I have for Bernie. It's just the libcucks are more vocal and annoying and were raised fucking wrong.
>>73366085
How does being able to kill communists with an M4 rifle qualify a person to vote on important matters, such as domestic policy and taxation?
>>73365886
That's not how laws work. Obviously there would be a transition period while everyone currently alive is grandfathered in as voting when they turn 18.
>>73353367
I can stare at her luscious tits all day.
what were you saying op?
>>73366202
The Democrat voting bases is made up of mostly young white people, women, and brown/black people. Upping the voting age would favor Republicans - and other right wing political parties too.
>>73353367
Just change it to one vote per couple that is married.
What are the downsides?
>>73366085
You already have to register for selective service as a man by law though.
>>73366372
It's required by law, but failure to sign up rarely results in criminal prosecution. The typical penalty is not being able to get federal student loans or apply for federal jobs, like at the post office.
>>73353715
>You can enlist, but you aren't guaranteed voting rights when you get out. That won't exactly go well with everyone.
>>73361097
>Surely there can be a constitutional amendment that grants an exception to 18-24 year old men who are serving or have served in a branch of the armed forces, right? Why do we have to grant the voting franchise to ALL 18 year olds?
Why give this privilege specifically to those in the military? Would you want those 18-25 to enlist to be given voting rights in addition to the other benefits they already receive?
>>73365023
>Keep the voting age at 18 and instate mandatory 18 months of military training after graduating high school
What country do you think this is? Absolutely not.
>>73365800
>don't own property
So those who live in an apartment are exempt from voting for arbitrary reasons?
>>73364215
>That wasn't an argument, it was an insult. Can't you tell the difference?
No. He selectively expects arguments when someone is clearly not giving one. To a fedora, arguments are the only form of response.
>>73366244
>That's not how laws work. Obviously there would be a transition period while everyone currently alive is grandfathered in as voting when they turn 18.
And any grown adult born after lacks voting rights. This is not how you make up for our problems in education.
>>73366308
There are plenty of idiots on both sides. Are you telling me a 30 year old janitor should deserve more rights than a 25 year old?
>>73353367
Who is this semen demon?
>>73362999
Can anyone honestly say the country was worse when suffrage was limited to white, male landowners?
>>73366202
The spirit of the nation was that only white male landowners could vote, and only for representatives. Universal suffrage is a blight. The founders never wanted everyone to have a say, they knew how retarded people are. We've known for two thousand years democracy would degenerate into people voting themselves the treasury.
The spirit of America was ironclad protections of basic freedoms and then for the plebians to stay the fuck out of politics they knew nothing about.
>>73366886
>The spirit of the nation was that only white male landowners could vote, and only for representatives. Universal suffrage is a blight. The founders never wanted everyone to have a say, they knew how retarded people are. We've known for two thousand years democracy would degenerate into people voting themselves the treasury.
>>73366801
>So those who live in an apartment are exempt from voting for arbitrary reasons?
You shouldn't be allowed to vote to raise property taxes.
>>73367065
>You shouldn't vote for issues that don't affect you
>You shouldn't support issues that don't affect you directly
This is the saddest degeneration of our American citizens by far that have been encouraged on /pol/.
>>73366801
>There are plenty of idiots on both sides. Are you telling me a 30 year old janitor should deserve more rights than a 25 year old?
Are you telling me that a 19 year old wife's son, fresh out of his first gender studies class, is as qualified to make important decisions affecting everyone in the country as a 35 year old businessman or lawyer? The human brain doesn't even fully mature until you're 25-30 years old. What makes you think that young people, with no experience in the free market, are at all qualified to make these kinds of decisions?
>>73353367
A subset of the population who work won't be able to vote
>>73367155
You're not paying attention to what I'm saying, and are just posting so you can get a rise out of people, aren't you?
>>73367166
Are you telling me that a 25 year old liberal arts major, fresh out of her first gender studies class, is as qualified to make important decisions affecting everyone in the country as a 35 year old businessman or lawyer? She would have just as much as a right to vote.
>>73367213
No. Does this line of thinking of yours only apply to property taxes? Or do you think people shouldn't be allowed to vote for an issue if it doesn't apply to them? This isn't very hard to see why I am asking this in response to what you just said.
>>73367367
It doesn't take 7 years to get a liberal arts degree, though. She'd have at least 2 years experience in the work force to prepare her. Although no, I do not believe that she should have just as much say in the vote as someone who is older and wiser, particularly if her IQ is lower than average.
>>73367367
>>No. Does this line of thinking of yours only apply to property taxes? Or do you think people shouldn't be allowed to vote for an issue if it doesn't apply to them? This isn't very hard to see why I am asking this in response to what you just said.
How about voting to raise the income tax while you are in the $0 income tax bracket, or voting to implement the draft when you are a woman and therefore ineligible for the draft?
>>73367467
Not everyone begins college at 18. In fact, not all 25+ year olds have been to college. You see the problem with raising the voting age? You won't change the stupidity problem.
>>73367535
So what do you recommend? Being barred from voting depending on your gender or other aspects of your life?
>>73367585
There's no good one-size-fits-all solution, but raising the voting age would mitigate many of these problems greatly, if only based on the fact that older people are smarter and wiser than younger people.
>>73354233
Those shouldn't be the regulations. It should be something simple.
If you receive more in government assistance then you pay to the government in the form of taxes, you don't get to vote.
>>73367672
>if only based on the fact that older people are smarter and wiser than younger people.
Including that Wal-Mart janitor who is 40 years old. Or the countless morons living out in Florida. There is no assurance that a person like Clinton wouldn't still get their votes.
>>73367770
Let's hear your ideas, then.
>>73367850
Testing at the booth. You won't single out legal citizens 18+, just those who can't pass the test. Testing those on the candidates they chose is also a good way to single out those who aren't even sure of the issues they claim to believe in.
>>73368011
Wow. Bravo. This is the best solution I've heard to the problem of voter fraud not being easy enough to carry out on a mass scale.
Everyone can vote.
Vote Weight = 2 ^ (IQ SD)
>>73357786
Didn't they try this in the UK somewhere and it got whined to oblivion?
>>73365202
>>73353367
Bernie would have 5% of the vote
>>73355665
>in Canada
overrun by non white immigrants who all have family with kids.
women never earned the right to vote
just dumb abortion machines
>>73353367
>What would even be the downside?
None, but I can't see the upside either. Those who are retarded before 25 will still be retarded after.
Totally fine with you paying more in taxes then taking in.
>>73355672
>Elderly people are liberal
Old people are overwhelmingly conservative
>>73353367
>tell_me_I_asked_for_it.jpg
Nothing will change. Human is a shitt species. Always a manipulator will be elected.
>>73370390
>Human is a shitt species
t. a cockroach
>>73353367
>only white working High School graduates who pay taxes should be allowed to vote
And everyone else can gtfo
>>73354567
>nations full of betacuck leftist males
I don't think that will work so well anymore
"no taxation without representation"
Only taxpayers get to vote.
All taxpayers must vote.
>>73356113
Pol Pot pls go
>>73353367
one issue, the probable reason anyone would want to support such a thing
less voters
>>73370594
Just limit it to net tax payers, simpler, less das raciss, and the exact same effect
>>73353367
Replace policymakers with an AI that only makes objective desinitions based on the goal of securing a strong nation-state and providing the most incentive for entrepreneurs/inventors
Appoint a military general for managing foreign policy
>>73373367
s/desinitions/decisions
>>73353367
Voting is a right, not a privilege. You should be able to vote from birth on.
Who are we to decide if someone is allowed to vote?
>>73373483
jennibot isn't here, friend.
Please return to #ig
>>73370248
True, but only because they've already got theirs in the form of SS and Medicare, which no politician would dare touch.
>>73355938
>our kids
Nigga, if there's 75% retards in the world raising retarded kids, it will dwarf the remaining 25% raising decent ones and still result in retarded policies. A preliminary test needs to be passed instead, one that has topics about all candidates.
>>73361959
Underrated post.
