Why do people here support Russia over Ukraine?
Everything I read is "kek gay holhol" or "long live novorussia", etc. and it really pisses me off.
Russia is shit.
We will get Crimea back just you fucking wait.
>>73327422
You're screwed either way.
Nothing but a peon pawn between powers.
EU is just as bad as Russia.
I don't support Russia but I don't hate them either
I'd rather not say anything about the situation with Ukraine because with Russia you'll never know the truth
With us it's obvious they don't want to be friends but they don't want to let us go to NATO either so they threaten us and it's scary, that's how they handle their relationships
>>73327422
its just another Israel-palestine scenario, let em duke it out, nothing an Anglo should concern himself with
>>73327767
>Nothing but a peon pawn between powers.
That's how I feel with Finland
The citizens don't want to stay in EU or join NATO, but they don't want Russia bullshit either
Small countries just need to accept their eternal cuck status
The weak should never be unnaturally propped up. The fact that Putin was able to take Crimea is evidence enough that it is not yours.
>>73327422
>Ukraine
No such thing, my friend
>>73327422
Someone is still butthurt.
Crimea is Russian clay.
>>73327422
>t. Gallician hillbilly
>>73327422
>We will get Crimea back just you fucking wait.
kek. Ukrainians are fucking delusional. Your country isn't even real mate, you only exist because Russia allows it.
>>73327422
Because there's no such country as Ukraine anymore.
You can't support a non-entity.
>>73327422
Crimea doesn't want you and it's not yours, you never earned it.
>>73327777
I think most people like Finland.
If it wasn't for Putin giving no fucks we might have one world government orwelian state already.
>>73327422
i like russia's stance on fags
>>73327422
Putin huylo
>Ukraine
>Anything other than a Russian proxy east of Dnieper
>>73328031
>>73328008
fuck you. Ukraine is getting stronger and Russia is getting weaker. The Russian troops got killed in Syria by ragheads and then Russia bomber got shot by Turkey and POOtin did nothing about it.
face it Vlad, your country is shit
LONG LIVE UKRAINE
>>73327903
>tfw Flip
>Hate Japs, Grandfather was in a camp
>Due to current politics I'm supposed to hate China and side with fellow US allies.
At least I got to fuck some qt jap girls as a US Marine
>>73327422
>ukraine is a real country
can't wait for that land to be officially Russian again so you special snowflakes will shut up
>>73328349
>kholol delusion
Russia is not degenerate
The only way to uncuck Europe is for the US to leave NATO and Russia takes over Europe
>>73327422
lol, your made-up country is going in the bin.
>>73328349
try this exercise my friend
>>73327422
But people in Crimea wanted to reunite with Russia. What's wrong with self-determination?
Why do Ukrainians have so few posters here on pol?
>>73328540
Can't afford internet.
>>73328031
based natalia i mean mummy
>>73328600
fuck off vlad. I cum everytime I see photo of russia bomber on fire.
long live Ukraine and Turkey
>>73328520
muricans and globalists don't like it
>>73328349
>>73328737
>long live Ukraine and Turkey
Confirmed faggots. Gtfo this board loser. Ukraine is a shit hole which shouldn't exist.
>>73328737
>long live Turkey
Dumb Crimean Tatar
>>73327422
>Why do people here support Russia over Ukraine?
Personnaly I like how Russia remove kebab in middle east.
Now I don't like Russia because they let kebab growing inside their country...
And honestly Ukrainia, I like the way you want to be independant, but don't dream about EU, it's cucked as a fuck, you'll have plenty of shitskins settling your country and they are a fucking pain...
>>73328872
says the canadian fagposter.
go suck off some muslims with trudeau you faggot motherfucker
russia is and will forever be shit.
long live ukraine!
>>73328494
Wow. That feels great. Why doesn't everyone know about this.
>>73327422
Fuck you Khrushchev. Give us our territories back.
>and it really pisses me off.
Thats the whole purpose you silly
You rage you lose
>>73328737
and TURKEY?! youre getting off the rails mate right here
>>73328465
I seriously doubt that anyone among the Russian political elite really wants to take over Europe. If anything, we'd just prefer Europe to get its shit together, so that we would have a few strong partners to the West, with whom we would be able to do business to our mutual benefit.
>>73329009
>>73329102
Turkey is based as fuck. they shot down russian bomber and didn't back down the faggot Putin
putin is killing innocents in syria and erdogan supports the moderate freedom fighters.
>>73327422
Slavs mixed with Turks or Slavs mixed with based Mongols. I know which one I prefer.
legit historically illiterate , whjy are people saying Ukraine "doesn't exist" or should be Russian? Do you feel the same about every other ex-soviet country or just Ukraine in particular, and if so, why?
>>73329009
You understand that these tantrums of yours actually do harm the Ukraine's image in the eyes of foreigners, don't you?
>>73329372
>moderate
>freedom fighters
wew to the lad
>>73328737
>long live Ukraine and Turkey
Confirmed cuckroach under ukranian proxy.
>>73328737
and t*rkey?
thats a new low even for you ukraine
>>73328349
>>73327767
>EU is just as bad as Russia.
Hello CIA.
>>73329372
you guys are dumb faggots. russia looks like detroit
Cлaвa Укpaїнi! Гepoям cлaвa!
>>73329664
>>73329347
She was killed by Ukrainian army shelling Donetsk, you know.
>>73329347
Funny how this picture was never spread around in Western media. A young white woman and her child, slaughtered by the U.S/EU/NATO proxy army in Ukraine against the russians in former eastern Ukraine.
This image was never anywhere to be seen.
Disgusting fucking jews. They will get EVERYHING that's coming to them, EVERYTHING.
>>73328349
All you can do is killing unarmed civilians, your """"army"""" and """""heroes"""" couldnt stand fair fight.
Hope that Putin will turn you into swamp.
>>73327422
Because nobody likes traitors. Traitors get used, and then they are disposed off.
>>73329876
i know LOL
>>73329380
are you kidding? they're both mixed with mongols, you mongol...
>>73327422
what the fuck is a Ukraine? sounds like a large open air whorehouse
>>73329734
>and ukraine doesn't
>We will get Crimea back just you fucking wait
lol, no you won't. You should know by now that your loyalty to the jews will only be rewarded with disaster and woe..... ask poland how well that went for them.
>>73329413
To begin with:
South-Eastern Ukraine has mostly Russian population. It was added to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic by the Bolsheviks, so that the socialist Ukraine would have a larger percentage of working class population.
Meanwhile, a substantial chunk of the Western Ukraine is Polish and Hungarian clay.
Moreover, the idea of the Ukraine as a separate
'nation' appeared only in the late 19th - early 20th centuries, and even then it was mostly toyed with by a tiny number of local intelligentsia. The language didn't really exist either - just a bunch of rural dialects of Russian. Basically, it were the Bolsheviks who made it into a legit nation.
>>73329514
Nah, might as well be a real khokhol. They can be that crazy.
Ukraine belongs to Russia!
>>73329413
Ukraine was historically a part of the russian empire for hundreds of years.
>>73329893
What if Russia then borders Poland?
>>73327422
Ukraine will fall apart Poroshenko. Believe me.
>>73330397
This implies a ''ukrainian nation'' existed, it never did, that's the thing.
>>73329734
every slavic country looks like destroit
>>73330429
Unless they try to conquer Smolensk again, we'll get along well.
>>73330674
just annex ukraine and belarus and north kazahstan, theyre irrelevant anyway
>>73327422
If Steven Seagal supports Putin and the Russian annexation of Crimea, we really don't a choise but to support it too.
>>73330266
And before that the whole idea of a separate "Ukrainian nation" was an Austrian project. They created and enforced "Ukrainian language". During WWI they even built the first ever concentration camp in Europe for Russians and people identifying as Russians that wanted to speak Russian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talerhof
>>73330372
Sweden belongs to Africa!
>>73328737
I always thought Ukrainians were dumbass niggers, but this DID hit a new low.
It's a shame Canada supports these cucks
>>73327422
Us Ukrainians need to realize that Putin is the lesser of two evils. It's the Russians or being controlled by jews. I'd pick Putin controlled Ukraine over being run by liberal EU kikes any day. If you want Mehmet raping our daughters going with the Americans and the EU is the best way to achieve that.
>>73329578
artur
>>73328124
>You can't support a non-entity
It never stopped /pol/ from being a christian board and believing in god
>>73331189
take that back!
>>73327422
We must destroy the European Union and replace it with a loose European Confederacy.
And the germans, brits, french, and belgians shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the top as they will inevitably try to create one state with one of them at the top.
It's a complex question, but I believe that one can find a sound answer for it if we can look past memes.
First of all Russian cultural paradigms are appealing to those Westerners who wish their own culture could reflect certain features that Russian culture posseses like respect towards natural law, hierarchical power dynamic, authenticism of the people in behavior, stances and a culture in which traditional features such as strength and aesthetic quality are valued. In political psychiatry Russia can be called a "Big Oedipus", a construct that in some Westerners' perception reminds them how they should act and what they should aspire to. This is the very basic and sub-conscious longing for a fatherly figure which would discipline you and repress your un-ethical way.
Now, on less philosophical dimension, however not any less valuable Russia is seen as a last bastion challenging the Atlantic (mainly Anglo-Saxon) demo-liberal order which aims to achieve unipolarity in international relations via soft power and force alike. Such unipolarity would make the world reshape itself according to the bidding of the system which enforced it therefore into some kind of universalist demo-liberalism. Some people don't like that and strive for multipolarity in which countries dictate their own way of functioning, even if in traditional Western narrative it can be seen as barbaric. Therefore Russia becomes a challenger against the Western champion of modernized, bureaucratic, secularized society, where scientific understanding is more highly valued than belief and where processes are oriented toward rational goals, as opposed to traditional society where the world remains a great enchanted garden.
t. analytic philosophy grad
Note though, in this analysis I'm not taking one or the other side, but rather trying explain a phenomena. To fully describe it one would have to write an essay instead of a mere post on 4chan, but that's best I can do on a public forum.
>>73327422
because Russia is better than you.... after all your coup was brought and paid for by America so in reality.....you are American slaves..congrats
>>73330187
That's true to a certain extent.
>>73327422
All the top government positions after the coup in Ukraine were chosen people. Most of them still are (like Porkyshenko, the previous and the new prime ministers...). It was 100% Soros funded takedown of a government the western globalists deemed "too friendly" with Russia. They took advantage of the nationalist sentiment in your country to overthrow a government and install a new one not consisting of a single Ukrainian.
That is why we support Russia over the "new" Ukraine. You were played 100%, by the same people who are fucking over OUR countries with mass immigration, the euro and other globalist shit schemes that are robbing us of our land, wealth and our very lives.
I don't like the russians any more than their other neighbours but they are the lesser evil.
>>73328976
>Now I don't like Russia because they let kebab growing inside their country...
I don't like it that there's a huge amount of immigrants from Central Asia in Russia either, but some Muslims from Russia proper are pretty OK, especially Volga Tatars. And the problem with Chechens and Dagestanis is not that they're Muslim or non-White, but that they're tribal savages who have a very vague idea of living in a modern society.
>>73330520
>This implies a ''ukrainian nation'' existed
no it implies the area and people existed, think Tibet and china.
>>73330266
I understand, thank you.
>>73330901
and the gays/metrosexuals
BRING BACK COSSACK HETMANTATE!
Crimea, Luhansk, and Donetsk are the property of Russia, and the latter will become part of Russia the day after Trump wins the election. They won't even wait for him to assume power.
Russia doesn't want the rest of your silly country, so if you don't want to be a citizen of Russia it's time to start planning your move.
>Butthurt Belt region non-country thread
>>73330851
Thank you for the explanation, they were good summaries
>>73331960
Pavlo Skoropadsky tried. In Bulgakov's "White Guard" it is described how much of a failure that was.
>>73329416
ты кaк бyдтo в пepвый paз cвидoмых в интepнeтe видишь, eй бoхy
>>73328494
lol ouch, would strain that shit bad.
>>73329641
Bane?
>>73327422
Lmfao there's a foreign army marching on your soil with absolute impunity and you think you're going to get the Crimea back
>>73329011
I had the same thought.
>>73329033
Fuck you [shitty gypsy name]. Give us our territories back.
You guys just bastardised ruskys anyway.
>>73327422
Azov Battalion volunteer, 05.2014-11.2015. A lot of people on the board support Russia and Huesossia either for trolling purposes or because they get their info from memes.
Cлaвa Киeвcкoй Pycи! Hoвopoccия cocи!
>>73327422
Because Putin is a strong nationalist leader and people on this board can't conceive of anything but black and white; so when Putin says Ukraine is just part of Russia, everyone thinks "Putin said it so its true".
>>73331189
Synchronicity is evidence of God enough for me in my life. I guess the journey of Jesus as written by all those people and organized by a centralized government is the endorsement of the cult, but all within respect for a monotheistic all encompassing influence. Pretty based why not, it is our culture and the cohesion of our people, not consumerism and materialism.
I understand socially liberal policies, but if someone has a problem with recognizing a god and has to tell everyone is undermining our society as it has traditionally been. I fucking love the American identity, not very many Americans are practicing it anymore though...
>>73331674
>Note though, in this analysis I'm not taking one or the other side
>Russia becomes a challenger against the Western champion of modernized, bureaucratic, secularized society, where scientific understanding is more highly valued than belief and where processes are oriented toward rational goals
>opposed to traditional society where the world remains a great enchanted garden
Totally unbiased
Gay marriage illegal, gays banned from tv and media. Less niggers. Mentally ill people banned from driving.
>>73327422
>Ukraine
No such thing.
>>73332211
0!
Checked!
>>73327422
Hahaha…
Your country is shit, you will be bankrupt in a year, Russia took the best parts and your wages are now lower than the wages in Africa.
Your “revolution” turned your country to shit.
Go and die.
>>73333958
The last one is literally a quote from Max Weber's description of "disenchantment" sociological process and I'm confused about you highlighting the middle one. Whose side am I supposedly taking here? I tried best to describe the phenomenon objectively and I can't find any bias in my text.
>>73327767
>eu just as bad as russia
>aids rampant
>high rates of alcohol abuse
>low income
>krokodil
>corrupt on all levels
>get murdered when you step on the toes of putin
>is basically a gasstation
>most russians are butthurt they dont have an empire anymore
>get beaten or killed for living a different lifestyle
>communism on the rise
kill yourself
>>73334605
You're saying the one society pursues rational causes; and the other pursues an "enchanted garden".
You honestly can't see the bias in that?
Everything that russia touches goes to shit.
>>73330851
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talerhof
Why the hell didn't i know that?
>>73334995
Replace "russia" with "the World Bank and the IMF."
>>73334746
>>communism on the rise
Your definition of «communism» please.
>>73335125
russians running around with communist flags praising stalin, is there another kind of communism?
>>73335125
Is it true that Chechnya has great influence on the Kremlin?
>>73335329
It's kind of celebrating 1-9May.
>>73329179
I love how Russian posters are giving legitimate rationale for Crimea and yet Ukrainians are shit posting. I love you Russian pal.
>>73335681
doesnt your communist party have like 20% or so votes and growing?
>>73334776
No, I can't. It's the feature of cultural paradigm of a traditional society and there's nothing wrong with that. Your outrage at this analysis in a way strengthens my point that in modern, secularized and Western society exclusively "rational goals" are accepted axiomatically as ethically valid way of human functioning while world of an "enchanted garden" in which intuition or belief, even superstition are common features is ethically repulsive. I don't think that either of these orientations are exclusively valid therefore I think I managed to remain objective in the given analysis.
>>73335329
>Communism in Russia means
>no aids rampant
>average rates of alcohol abuse
>low income
> no krokodil
>no corruption on all levels, nepotism only
>get murdered only for crimes
>is basically a gasstation with huge industrial complex
>most russians are not butthurt anymore
>get jailed for living a different lifestyle
>free healthcare
>free education
>free apartments in commieblock
>no unemployment
>>73335329
The one where jewish commisars shoot you in the back? The majority of people who praise Stalin don't care about Marxism in the slightest, it's mostly an overreaction for decades of liberals telling Russians that Stalin cancels out everything that has ever happened in Russian history and that we should atone for our Soviet sins until the end of time. People are sick of that shit.
>>73336147
And what is forced equality and cultural relativism but "enchanted garden" as you call it?
>>73335942
Meh, they are a puppet party, you know.
>>73327422
>ukraine
no such thing
>>73328349
Zrada claimed another life
>>73333477
Кaк вooбщe хoхлы cвязывaют в cвoих cвиных мoзгaх Киeвcкyю Pycь и нынeшнюю кyкpaинy?
>>73328494
Holy shit my wrist hurts, what the fuck did i just do?
>>73336528
Forced equality is a nonsensical policy option driven by failed moral imperatives, Weber's "enchanted garden" is a concept related to the spiritual life of the society - their sensitivities, habits and their perception of certain phenomena (for example belief in fate/providence).
Once we established that I see no point in answering what is "cultural relativism", but I do think the very term adresses the split between West and the East so I'm going to tell you quickly that it's a very complex issue that I'd rather write an essay on than talk here, but I reject cultural relativism. I believe that there are common ethical underpinnings for all cultures to follow, however I'd embrace instead "cultural pluralism" which states that as long as you accept the common ethical underpinnings, there are many ways of valid functioning for a society, many ways of finding meaning in your life and many ways of practicing your customs, habits which are equally valid.
>>73333333
who got em?
>>73328349
Its like a crossroad. Most of us support nationalist Ukraine, but at the same time, we like the fact that Rusia is, on its particular way, a strong identitary force against mundialism.
So what we would like? Cooperation against the real enemy. But I am aware thats impossible.
>>73335329
Look at eastern countries, and compare them with the way capitalism totally fucked up the identities of western europe, In your own country, where are identitary movements stronger?
I am not saying anything, but it should make us think at least.
>>73330851
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talerhof
Christ, I'd never heard of this.
>>73338682
>Most of us support nationalist Ukraine,
I don't call it "nationalism" when people from Galich try to stop others who don't even speak their language from leaving a stupid Bolshevik-created multi-ethnic mess of a political unit. It's petty imperialism.
As a nationalist, I acknowledge the nation as a great extension of the family, and therefore sacred. It would be hypocritical to stop there, however, without realising that nations themselves are members of wider families. As such, the Ukrainians are brothers of the Russians. Seeing them kiss arse of the likes of the EU, USA and Kolofuckingmoisky specifically in order to spite Russia is thus appalling.
>>73327422
Ukraine isn't a real country desu
>>73339177
Maybe you got a point, but by that logic, all modern frontiers (and even modern languages) were artificially created, and we should create new nations based on genetic differences, maybe as provinces of a new european coalition.
>>73327422
I don't. Both sides of the war are equally cucked though. Ukraine is led by western Jews and Russia is led by cypto-Soviet KGB jewish oligarch regime. The reason I support Ukraine over russia is that the loss of Ukraine would take a heavy toll on the Russian regime and increase the chances of a Fascist revolution.
>All those ivans behind proxies in this thread
>>73331834
>And the problem with Chechens and Dagestanis is not that they're Muslim or non-White
They're whiter than you retard.
>>73339633
Also Azov may stage a coup if it gets enough support after the war, this by itself is enough to make me support Ukraine. Ukraine has potential to become the first Fascist country in Europe and thus herald the begining of the European nationalist revival.
>>73328737
>Turkey
Just why? If Russia is bad Turkey is a thousand times worse.
>>73331834
Spoken like a true Eurasianist cuckold.
>>73331834
>but that they're tribal savages who have a very vague idea of living in a modern society.
Oh no. They have bretty good idea how to live in modern cuck society where nation and own land are privileges.
>>73339983
>>73339832
Then go to fucking russia and experience russian way of life you fucking faggot, you'll be back when they start beating the shit out of you. they are fucking savages.
Reform international politics
>>73339784
>>73339995
Ta gueule momo, c'est l'heure de la salat là !
>>73340099
You misread my posts you illiterate nigger. I actually support Ukraine over Russia. Azov is a Ukrainian Fascist battalion.
Fear mongering jingoism
>>73327422
I'll explain my journey from being pro-Ukraine to pro-Russia.
When the issue broke out, I used the power of the internet to start talking to locals on both sides. Generally these were the results I got with only a few exceptions.
>talk to Ukrainian girls
>they are all pro European bitches, they actually believe in the globalism/feminism/anti Christianity being practiced in Europe. They want to be a part of it and import it to Ukraine
>after that spiel they make it pretty obvious they are a gold digger who would abandon their country if given the opportunity and do not actually appreciate the men fighting to allow them to become another globalist feminism stronghold.
>talk to Russian girls online
>they are generally conservative, nationalist, christian, sometimes even a bit racist (though sometimes progressive, just depends on the individual)
>usually agree that Muslims are violent cancer
>Are proud of their identity, nationality and gender roles.
Over time and many conversations/contacts later. It became clear Russian domination is the best outcome. in some ways they will save you from yourself, you just don't realize it yet. Joining the EU is a shitty idea supported by shitty people.
>>73340403
>>usually agree that Muslims are violent cancer
Friendly reminder that such opinion is literally a crime in the Russia.
>>73340335
Mais qu'est ce que tu racontes là ?
Va apprendre déjà à parler anglais, tu comprendras peut-être le thème de ce topic.
Ensuite t'inquiètes pas tarlouse qu'on ne va pas manquer de te botter le cul jusqu'en Afrique si tu continues à saouler tout le monde.
>>73329372
You were doing so well until that post
>>73340479
I heard from Russians on omegle that if a fight breaks out between ethnic Russians and Caucasian tribes (Chechens, Dagestanis ec.) if Armenian is around he'll always support ethnic Russians. How true is that?
>>73327422
kek gay holhol
>>73329734
lol just Fuck off loser go sell your sister into slavery 50 dollars so you dont starve during the winter you digusting fucking subhuman
Because Russia is doing what's best for their people, even if it effects others.
>sell out to the west
>attack your own people for speaking a language you don't like or having a citizenship in another country
>cry when you get wrecked
Lmao Ukraine.
>>73339457
How on earth do you get that from what I said? It's nothing to do with anything! :D I spoke of organic "tree-like" relations within AND between nations. How is that "artificial"? You're mistaking me for somebody I'm not, from a cursory skimming of my statements, making comparisons with unrelated notions you may have come across more often.
>>73340868
okay you weed-smoking fag. go suck muslim dick with trudeau faggot
ukraine is a beautiful country it's only bad now because of fucking russia.
glory to ukraine. we may lose territory, but it just makes us stronger. sooner or later we will make out comback and liberate crimea. mark my fucking words faggot canada cuck
>>73341008
The reason eastern Ukraine is populated by Russians is that the Soviets genocided them via state sponsored famine and sent massive waves of immigration to the region.
>>73327422
le ebin bear-riding KGB dude xD LMAO
>>73339832
Even if this were true (and it's an idiotic childish fantasy), the Ukrainian fascists are the LAST people on earth you'd want representing your shared ideology! They'll fuck up BIG time. Bunch of inept fools, so they are.
All the retarded slavs and contrarian Americans in this thread don't realize that OP is a proxy whose job is to make Ukraine look bad.
Ukraine is poor and can't afford to hire trolls like Russia.
Also daily reminder that most Russians want to see the Soviet Union come back.
How can you support communism when you identify as a "right winger". FUck off pro-Russian cunts.
>>73341470
>Ukraine is poor and can't afford to hire trolls like Russia.
Half of Canada thinks it's Ukrainian, and takes the burden in this labour, though! Unfortunately, they're about as stupid and informed of the realities as "Irish Americans" are about matters in Ireland.
>>73327422
All the ukrainians that come over here will do every possible thing they can to avoid following any law.
They will literally use 50$ in fuel to drive to some place to scam someone or the government over 10$
that's why you are looked upon with contempt.
>>73341255
lmao well ok nigger. Just so people can understand what a fucking dump Ukraine is you make 320 dolalrs on average in Kiev (which is pretty high since its the capitol) so it would take 14 months for you to even make as much as I do in one fucking month. Every decent Ukranian has gotten the fuck out of there a long time ago leaving the most degenrate subhumans there.
>>73328070
Quiet katsapchick
>>73341676
Where is your dead American soldier picture Mehmet?
>>73342095
i love m*rika
>>73328872
But it does. Stay mad moskal
>>73331052
They don't need either Jews or moskals.
>>73341470
>contrarian Americans
most Americans do not care about Ukraine, Its not even on the new anymore and Obama has about 5% national support at this point. Most of his followers have either moved onto Bernie Sanders, or realized he was a lying backstabbing piece of shit and became a Trumpet.
Almost everyone is focused on internal issues within the country, not Obama/Merkel globalist schemes. So there is really nothing to be contrarian about on this issue, Obama was a contrarian President if there ever was one. The American public is a firm neutral and Trump supporters actually want better relations with Russia.
>>73327422
AH NU CHEEKI BREEKI I V DAMKI
>>73341975
eat a dick. ukraine is the best and most beautiful country on earth
Cлaвa Укpaїнi! Гepoям cлaвa!
>>73342537
You type worringly like a Russian proxy.
Stop fighting you stupid slav faggots.
Both countries are great fun.
Both peoples are interesting and for the most part almost the same.
I couldn't tell the fucking difference between you half the time, yet you morons want to kill each other over the tiniest of difference?
Stop being stupid, go out, drink some kvas, eat some kolbasa and fuck your stupidly hot cousins or whatever.
>>73334425
Better dead than red.
>>73342537
lmao, pathetic. Can't believe you get paid for this.
>>73342609
Yea I think this is a Russian shill
>>73341676
Please. Russia has a very high scientific output, it diminished since the Soviet times, but even now they have most advanced chemical institute in the whole world (Dubna) and one of two greatest pure mathematics institutes in the whole world, on par with Princeton (Steklov). Not a single dimension academically on which Turkey could match up, let alone compete.
>>73339177
You have a very strange definition of "brothers".
>>73327422
I actually support Ukraine. I think /pol/ is just being contrarian.
However it's hard to be that enthusiastic about standing up to Russia for Ukraine when Ukraine is such a corrupt shithole and Ukraine is widely perceived as Russias clay. It is the worst quarter of my genetic heritage. I've got to say the attitude in most of the world is indifferance to Russia buttfucking Ukraine especially when there was a widespread perception of grassroots support for Russia in Crimea.
>>73341298
This. Our so called "brothers".
Historically, Ukraine (Which translates from old russian language as "Borderland") was always a place for russian and polish criminals, bandits and other low-life scum of all kinds. Its only reason for existance was to create a buffer zone between Russia and Europe.
One of our tzars {Ivan the Terrible) literally said that "All idiots and retards should be sent to Ukraine, this is their place"
Hope this little historical fact will help you to understand why exactly there can be no respectful and productive relations between Ukraine and any other country, and why OP is running with his ass on fire and screaming at everyone who disagree with him.
>>73341298
Countries do that because it works. It's why Tibet is half Han Chinese now.
>>73342939
The Serbs have good jokes, if you can call them that, about brothers, given their similar experience of pointless fratricidal wars. I can't remember it exactly, but it was about some corpse and the investigation into the death. Some experienced policeman said it must have been the deceased's brother. "Who else would have gouged his eyes out as well as slit his throat?"
Lessons to be learnt in human nature, here!
Because we're not cucks.
>>73341298
Wrong.
Famine was all over USSR, people died everywhere, it hit Ukrane harder than other regions because retarded ukrainian government stole and sold their supply of food to Europe.
Holodomr is a hoax.
>>73343280
>Ivan the Terrible
Ivan Bazirovanny.
>>73341298
>The reason eastern Ukraine is populated by Russians is that the
Russians conquered it from the Turks, and stopped it from being an uninhabited wasteland. You know fuck, Zorba, stop embarrassing yourself.
>>73327422
>ukraine
literally who ?
>>73328358
If there is something history taught to us flips is that we are nothing but a trophy for the major power who wins in the region :(
>>73343734
>>73343741
>what is the Holodomor
Your historical illiteracy is showing. Especially you, Pedro are a massive obnoxious faggot.
>>73344213
>holodomor
nice meme
>>73344213
I just explained to you that there was no such thing as Holodomor.
There was a global famine all around USSR.
A tragedy, but not genocide, a natural disaster.
Ofc it was used against USSR during Cold War, and now against Russia.
But you are taking this old propaganda too seriously.
>>73343741
It is evident from your posts in this thread that you are trying extremely hard to appear as pseudo-intellectual as possible while spouting nonsense and mindlessly insulting.
>I don't call it "nationalism" when people from Galich try to stop others who don't even speak their language from leaving a stupid Bolshevik-created multi-ethnic mess of a political unit. It's petty imperialism.
Nice wordsmithing.
>implying Russia is not equally Judeo Bolshevik
When anon here >>73339457 made a completely reasonable post regarding the dumbfuckery of your non-arguement you responded with further pseudo intellectual wordsmithing
>You're mistaking me for somebody I'm not, from a cursory skimming of my statements, making comparisons with unrelated notions you may have come across more often.
>Half of Canada thinks it's Ukrainian
No.
>:D
>Even if this were true (and it's an idiotic childish fantasy), the Ukrainian fascists are the LAST people on earth you'd want representing your shared ideology! They'll fuck up BIG time. Bunch of inept fools, so they are.
Unlike Russians, who are known to be civilized and intelligent.
>You know fuck, Zorba, stop embarrassing yourself.
You have a very inflated picture of your knowledge Pedro.
>>73328349
Use this pic Ukraine and find one of country
Ukraine confirmed to be worst posters then Canadians
>>73345130
Well actually soviet union promoted education, dismantled religion and sent human to space.
So yes, we are pretty intelligent.
At least every soviet generation are.
In fact, german soldiers was astonished by level od education of simple villagers on occupied territories, there was no such thing anywhere in the world.
But Cold War propaganda did its job, and now everybody thinks that russians are barbaric monsters.
Mainly because of movies and ukrainian immigrants.
>>73344925
Is this what they teach you in Russia? The Holodomor refers to the intentional state sponsored genocide of the Ukrainian people through famine. The reds went so far as to dig up farms in search for buried food so as to leave nothing behind. It did not even happen during the cold war, it was during the Stalin era. The next Soviet governments however went on with the plan to ethnically replace the recently genocided Ukrainian population by sending massive waves of Russians to the region.
>>73345669
It is true that the Soviet educational system was excellent but this has nothing to do with lack of religion. This fedora meme has to stop. After the fall of the Soviet Union your education has become shit tier. You cannot claim to be better than Ukrainians when the majority of Russian people outside of Moscow live like animals and spend their days drowning their sorrow in vodka.
>>73345669
Are you one of those faggots who equate Russian nationalism with Soviet nationalism?
>>73345740
That it has a Name with a capital letter in a foreign language INSTANTLY marks it out as a PR stunt, much like the Shoah(tm)/Holocaust(R). Can't you see that? Both are based upon a certain amount of factual history, but exaggerated beyond all conscience for current political gain.
Now, go investigate precisely WHICH areas of the Ukraine suffered most in this famine. It was NOT Donetsk, and plenty of more westerly (and solidly Ukrainian-speaking) areas were relatively untouched (and no, I'm not talking about ones not under Soviet rule). Parts of the RSFSR were equally badly hit. It was nothing "personal" of the state, just bad luck. The main factor was wheat growing, not ethnicity.
I'm from Ukraine. Was born there. Its a fake country that can't operate as anything but a hub of corruption and theft. Putin is better leader than anyone in Ukraine.
>>73345740
>The reds went so far as to dig up farms in search for buried food so as to leave nothing behind
Is that what they teach you in ukraine? The holodomor was 32'-33', you realize how much of an undertaking using russian equipment from maybe the turn of the century to search under the ground of all the farms in ukraine?
There are a lot cheaper ways to commit genocide.
>>73346258
I'm not surprised that some areas were more affected by famine than others with all those laws restricting freedom of movement Joesph Stalin put in to make the famine worse.
>>73345740
Try to use your logic.
Why would USSR government genocided ukrainians (why is basically russians, with almost the same mindset and values) ?
Why not any other ethnicity? Why not ex-muslims, or asians?
Any reason?
Except for "Damn those commies, i saw Red Dawn when i was twelve and Stalin is literally Devil"
>>73345930
Soviet education was rote memorization.
The Soviets panicked over the PC because not did they have nothing like it but they did not have any equivalent to hackers or Wozniaks and crushed anything that suggested "disruption."
>>73346404
Abuses were the work of local Party officials, anxious to meet grain quotas, not the personal handiwork of some evil Batman villain known as Joseph Stalin. Christ, this has been so mythologised it's getting ridiculous.
>>73327422
kekkeke ukrain anon got trolled by rputin payed trolls aka kremlinbots. do you really think that real people think such way on 4ch? its no place for such humans here. vata cant reach 4ch. if you read such comments its 90% kremlinbot even if it usa or europe ip's. proxies and vpns banned on 4ch but you can pay for private proxy and use it on 4ch, it costy but they have enough money to do this
>>73346258
>That it has a Name with a capital letter in a foreign language INSTANTLY marks it out as a PR stunt, much like the Shoah(tm)/Holocaust(R). Can't you see that?
How is the Holohoax related to the Holodomor in any way? By your logic no genocide in human history really happened because they have all been used for political purposes later. Did the Armenian genocide not happen either?
My grandparents said that Russian scum took all the food in the village. Fuckers even stole church bell. And people wonder why nazis were treated as liberators initially. Worst thing that nazis did in their village was steal one of their chickens. I'd pick Hitler over Stalin any day.
>>73346422
You should have known that Ukrainians were less than happy to be part of the Soviet Union and frequently created much trouble for the party.
>>73346422
Because of their nationalism and patriotism. Ukraine has been a pain in Russia's butt for centuries before that because of Cossacks.
>>73345130
>implying Russia is not equally Judeo Bolshevik
You're revealing your personal peccadilloes, here, my friend. To tackle your point, though, here goes: Yes, many boundaries in the present RF were drawn up by Stalin. However, the whole more or less represents a slightly truncated Russian Empire, and thus IS organic heir to an old established political tradition. The Ukraine, on the other hand, is PURELY the creation of the 1920s policies, and 1960s for the stupid and entirely baseless addition of the Crimea.
>>73345130
>It is evident from your posts in this thread that you are trying extremely hard to appear as pseudo-intellectual as possible
I'm sorry I make you feel inadequate, but assure you that being fairly intelligent and educated, I know no other way to write. ;o)
>>73346756
Faggots in this thread are blindly bying into Russian propaganda. Apparently the Holodomor was unintentional.
>>73346566
It's almost like the higher up party officials used scapegoats to do their dirty work.
Nah, of course not, Stalin dindu nuffin.
>>73328349
Go to bed. You have a long day tomorrow working for your Jewish government. Fucking traitor.
>>73346912
>>73345130
>implying Russia is not equally Judeo Bolshevik
bolsheviks was 95% russian jews. in 1918 russian goverment consisted 95% jews 2% latvians 1 % germans 1% armenians and 1% russians its official statistic
>>73327422
I used to think you guys were cool neighbors until you did that POS border moves. Last thing you should worry about is us getting back those lands. We renounce the claim on them officially years ago. Take care, hopefully it will all get better for you guys.
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>>73327422
>We will get Crimea back just you fucking wait
>>73346878
>Ukraine has been a pain in Russia's butt for centuries before that because of Cossacks.
This is laughably ignorant. Cossacks were a vital TOOL of the Russian Empire in its expansion, control and defence! Dearie me... Not all Cossacks are Ukrainian, either, and nor are all Ukrainians Cossacks. Oh my...
>>73346955
>a Georgian genociding mostly Southern Russians is a Ukrainian issue
>>73331189
> believing in god
This is the internet we don't believe in myth memes.
>>73346912
I wouldn't find your way of writing nearly as annoying if you actually raised valid points, but you are using extremely pompous word smithing to express nothing and avoid arguements.
>
>You're revealing your personal peccadilloes, here, my friend. To tackle your point, though, here goes: Yes, many boundaries in the present RF were drawn up by Stalin.
This is not what I meant. The current government of Russia and the oligarchs behind them are all directly related to the Soviet Union. The elite of the country never changed.
>>73347036
>Russian jews
Those kikes came from the place that's called Ukraine now aka khazaria.
>trotski
>kaganivich
>Russian
Wew
>>73343054
Cus Putin hates the fags and US foreign policy so alt righters and Paleocons will give their blessings whenever he fucks someone over along the way
>>73347104
Did I say they all were Ukrainian? I'm well aware of of alliances and how Cossacks were stabbed in their back.
>>73347146
Thus, the Russian government currently in charge of Russia do not represent the Russian nation. They are ex-KGB scum and Jewish Soviet oligarchs. Ukraine being added to the sphere of influence of this monstrosity of a political structure does not in any way benefit either the Russian or the Ukrainian people.
>>73327422
>hohol
>>73346975
You miss the point. The mythology is that there was a well-conceived deliberate plan to decimate the Ukrainian people. The reality is that the Reds had little love for them, but commited various (unspeakably vile, I would never deny it!) atrocities due to rather different motivations than those ascribed to them. The prime concern was ensuring the control of the grain supply to feed the cities. You know, the cities which produced the armaments that saved the very existence of ALL Slavonic peoples just a decade or so later...
>>73347375
Moskal
Btfo
>>73347231
when i typed russian jews i meant that they wasnt russians they was jews just speak russian and lived in russia. they wasnt russians of course. another religion another society. its another people. also you have now in usa socialistic jew called sanders. is that a thing about jews liking socialism. also russian bolshevik revolution was 100% sponsored by german jews. its many historic books and articles about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0tGrozx_XI watch this for an example
>>73345930
Stop watching ukrainian news, most of our regions are doing fine.
And if you think that religion has nothing to do with education and development, fucking think again.
Religion is cancer, our church has power that can be compared to middle-ages catholicism, with inquisition and stuff.
Our patriarch tells people that its okay to go and fight in Ukraine because god wants so, he tells that european values, high quality of life and all other stuff is heresy.
And also he has a 10000000$ yacht and fuckton of property, with official income less than 20k$ a year.
Welcome to fucking democracy.
>>73346912
>I'm sorry I make you feel inadequate, but assure you that being fairly intelligent and educated, I know no other way to write. ;o)
Your delusion, arrogance and narcissism shines with the fury of a million suns through your writing style. Your use of emoticons heavily implies that you are new here, probably a redditor.
>>73347470
Found the national bolshevik.
>>73347457
Oh man, how can I recover from THAT roast?
>ukraine
>>73347470
Do you know anything about your fucking Patriarch? He was directly related to the KGB during the Soviet times. Russia, contrary to normie belief, is not a Democracy. Your elections are staged. The Soviet Union never fell, the ruling elite simply decided to step to the backstage and put KGB puppets like Putin in charge while pulling the strings as oligarchs.
>>73347470
what a lie man. im ultareligious orthodox i read all speeches of russian partiarch he never said this. he always said only "we need make peace with ukraine" he never blessed to go to war with ukraine and he prohibit to all russian priests to said another things. now if any russian priest would say anything that not equal "peace for ukraine" he will be fired from church.
also cancer is atheism.
and russian pariach said that "human rights against bible is herecy" but it had nothing to do with ukraine it was speech about modern world.
>>73347705
You can't. Katsap got owned.
>>73347461
Sanders Trump and Clinton all work for the Wall Street. There is nothing wrong with socialism, jews actually hate it because it doesn't benefit their tribe a lot.
>>73347400
If they wanted to feed their people they could have accepted outside aid.
I also don't buy that intensifying the famine in various ways just so some regions could be better fed is worth it. That also still qualifies as genocide because you're still increasing the death toll by ensuring the food gets to certain regions. It's not like I don't consider what the British did to the Irish genocide because the British needed that food to make Britain strong. This is just ridiculous apologism, any atrocity is ok because Stalin beat Hitler.
>>73327422
putin is a faggot, but you hohols are worse than a faggot worm. totally brainwashed monkeys that believe they deserve to be part of the EU based on nothing at all.
>>73346832
So what this "much trouble" was exactly?
USSR assimilated fucking muslims and barbaric pagans without any problems, and bunch of polish\russian managed to give them troubles?
Really?
>>73340403
>>they are all pro European bitches, they actually believe in the globalism/feminism/anti Christianity being practiced in Europe. They want to be a part of it and import it to Ukraine
This is the result of a long process of projection of soft power into Ukraine (brainwashing, indoctrination).
>>73341551
You're a political illiterate.
>>73342537
Don't listen to them Ukraine.
I believe you exist.
>>73347781
They also installed puppet governments in Belarus and Ukraine. The Soviet Union remained, they simply did not call it the Soviet Union. Ukraine's previous government was 100% fully controlled by Russia. Belarus still is.
>>73347909
Uprisings and revolts in the land of Soviet Union's borders and extremely important industrial territory.
>>73347831
OH PLEASE HOHOL, NO MORE
>>73342537
Гepoям cлaвa!
>>73347470
>he tells that european values, high quality of life and all other stuff is heresy.
He's right
>And also he has a 10000000$ yacht and fuckton of property, with official income less than 20k$ a year.
That's bad, replace him.
>>73348018
Also heartland of Russia's agricultural production and the location of Russia's black sea fleet.
>>73327777
Checked
>>73347347
>They are ex-KGB scum
I can't think of anyone more qualified to rule such a vast and powerful country.
Quite the Jew nonsense. It's laughable while defending Jewish-led Ukraine! Some Jews are powerful in Russia, yes, and Putin is not a simple nationalist, but ffs, the country's in better shape than many others these days. Put next to Poroshenko-Kolomoisky-land, well, Christ.....!
>>73348002
>azov and swastika flag along with nato falg
HAHAHAHAHA have there been a bigger bunch of useful idiot retards in this world than hohol gopniks?
