On the eve of that glorious day (it's almost 8th of May here, St. Petersburg, Russia) I'd like to express my sincere gratitude to the people of the US. Without your country's help my country would have been scorched to dust by the Nazis. Thank you.
>>73318485
>usa defeated the nazis alone
>nazis wanted to conquer Russia, not opposite
>Russia isn't a shit hole right now
>Russia would have been better off under nazi rule
and they should thank us because without 20 millions victims on our side whole world would've been scorched by nazis.
pointless thread
time to start living in a present times.
>>73318485
Your welcome.
Round three, same team?
>>73318682
Fpbp /thread
>>73318682
I'm just trying to denote that fact that US help was invaluable and it was there when needed despite the Commies in the Kremlin. And it grieves me the most that today the majority of the Russian population think we won this alone and we had no need for US help. This is sad.
>>73318868
if we didn't invade normandy the nazis would've BTFO your ass. You didn't deserve all that shit you took after the war.
>>73318868
Oни нe выжигaли Eвpoпy, oни yничтoжaли вcё пoлнocтью тoлькo нa нaшeй зeмлe (Бeлapycь, Укpaинa, Пoвoлжьe). К coжaлeнию, этo фaкт. И, дa, бoльшeвики нe пoдпиcывaли кoнвeнций.
>>73319182
I have to agree with you on this, I suppose you are talking about the USA sending stuff to Russia?
But what you say is true, burgers think burgers did all the work, Russians think Russians did al the work, Britbongs think they did all the work, frogs are too deep ashamed to speak and Hans is crying in a corner while surrounded by Achmeds
>>73319252
you took your time to actually join the war.
you were sitting on your continent waiting till we crush nazis on eastern front to attack weak and already broken foe.
i can understand the logic behind this, but I can't respect you for that.
now, land-lease really helped us. normandy is nothing compared to major battles on our front.
>>73318868
>whole world would've been scorched by nazis.
You don't even have to agree with national socialism or anything of that matter, but I hope you realize the 'nazis are cruel monsters' is just propaganda that has continued after the war. Germans were not bad people, they wanted to free their country from international jewry and the harsh living conditions, caused by the treaty of Versailles, which was 'quite' unfair
>>73319252
They sure would have done it. My family lost three men during that war. Even today my grandmother (she was a child when the Nazis invaded Volga region) cries at 9th of May. It feels damn bad.
Appreciate your reply.
>>73319704
Yes, exactly! Tons and tons of stuff! Even the chassis for the famous Katyusha rocket launcer were mainly made out of American Studebaker trucks.
>>73319783
This, the West front already was a joke, France fell in no time, GB barely could do anything. The east front was the shit, wave after wave the Russians came, and when nazi Germany was hit so many times, the USA walked in, gave the last punch and bragged out about he himself defeated the Germans
>>73319993
>I hope you realize the 'nazis are cruel monsters' is just propaganda that has continued after the war
as OP already said in his Cyrillic post, it's partially true only for western countries. in my country they went full berzerk. Near place where I live in 20 km radius there are 5 villages that were completely burned down by nazis with the villagers locked inside their houses.
>what is lend lease
>what is the pacific theater
>what is opening fronts in africa, and then italy, and then france
>what is the battle of the atlantic, battle over britain
>what is the combined british and american sea power isolating europe
and on, and on
>>73318485
>tfw all the neat little trinkets people would hide in tanks and vehicles and stuff for Soviet soldiers such as flasks of bourbon, candy, etc almost always got seized by political officers
feels bad man
>>73318682
I'm pretty sure that the Nazis DID want to take over Russia, but they got BTFO by Winter more than anything else.
>>73320356
every FUCKING time
KILL YOURSELF
>>73320356
>>73318686
>>73318485
We always got your back in the end, Ivan.
>>73318959
this, let's eliminate the mudslimes
>>73320328
North Africa was already a front by the time America join.
>>73320356
Nice thumbnail m8
>>73320308
I am not saying nazis dindu nuffin, there probably was a lot of violence against them, and I feel sorry for the Russian civilians, who were used as shields, who were sent in to battle one after one. Stalin didn't care about his people.
But can I please remind you that the Soviet troops burned down villages in East europa while being dressed in wehrmacht uniforms, however as far as I know, this was only in Poland. So I don't know whether this happened in Russia too or not
>>73319252
>if we didn't invade normandy the nazis would've BTFO your ass.
This is just plain stupid.
While US were playing sandcastle on the Normandy beach, real stuff happened in Belarus (operation Bagration).
It's pretty simple: it's the most painfull and lethal defeat of the German army *ever*.
After this only battle, Wermarcht spinal cord was definitively broken.
250.000 death, more than 600.000 prisonners, all the rest fleeing in panic toward Germany, a whole corridor left open to Berlin afterward.
This battle have fixated the entire german army, not the opposite. Russian defeated more than 900 divisions, while the total of other allies were at less than 100 defeated divisions.
>>73319997
Volga Germans?
>>73320660
1v1 Russia would have lost. mohamad
>>73320393
They wanted to expand their lebensraum (living space), this lebensraum contained the old German Reich (from France to East prussia) and parts of Austria (so in fact all German speaking people with Swiss excluded) and some colonies in Africa.
The war with Russia was because national socialism >< bolsjevism (NatSoc wants to unite the classes, bolsjevism wants to destroy the classes)
>>73320693
Yeah, i meant Stalingrad city, they lived there.
>>73320774
At the beginning of the war, it was 7-8 Russian for 1 German.
Up to the end of Stalingrad siege, it dropped to 3-1
Then, Russian reversed it: During Bagration it was 1 Russian for 4 German.
But wait wait wait. Once Russian finished off Hitler, they gone the other way, toward Japan.
They met the entire Japan army in Manchuria. 1 fucking million Japs, and Russian just eradicated them.
On 1 millions japs, only 90.000 went back home. That was the clear and true reason of the Japanese surrender. 15 days later, Russian would have been in Tokio.
>>73320774
1v1
>Usa vs nazi
Nazi would have won
>GB vs nazi
Nazi would have won
>France vs nazi
Kek
>Russia vs nazi
Nazi would have won
>and so on...
The only reason why the lost was because of the pressure on both fronts and because of the coalition of 3 of the biggest nations on earth
>>73318485
I hope you enjoyed the SPAM
>>73321274
quite funny, actually, thanks anyway
>>73318485
The Nazis wouldn't have scorched Russia. They would have ruled it. INSTEAD OF FUCKING JEW COMMIES FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS.
>>73321274
It's delicious
>>73320954
i think that's pretty idealistic explanation of reasoning behind the war.
personally, i believe it was more down to the earth: Hitler was simply unhappy with the results of Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, which gave many historically close to Germany regions (Baltics, Finland, Eastern Romania) under control of USSR. Also, Hitler was lacking economical resources, big german business that was financing and supporting nazi powerhouse was pushing Hitler to expand to East, to grab resource-rich Caucasus etc.
so yeah, difference in ideologies wasn't helping, but I don't think it was the main reason
>>73320660
"Spinal cord"? I thought only we have this in our school history textbooks.
>>73321486
I have never heard of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, so thank you, I will research it and maybe learn something new
>>73321241
>The only reason why the lost
The reason why Nazis lost was because they were completely insane leaders, with stupid ideas, and very questionable efficiency.
Pic related. This weapon has cost a massive amount of time and money (they built 2 of them), for practically nothing.
Originaly, they've been built to defeat French Ligne Maginot, but it has been not necessary as the French coup basically surrendered to German without a real fight.
They've just used one on the Crimea battle, which was maybe decisive but too late.
>>73321446
The communists are definitely not angels, but I just wanted to say that the Nazis waged their war in Russia without any limitations. And yeah, the bolshevik government haven't signed them conventions.
>>73321659
Lots of small panzers would actually have been better, indeed
More value for the same price
>>73321659
My God, you could send something to space with that thing.
>>73321884
And why would you think that?
>>73321241
>>Usa vs nazi
>Nazi would have won
One on one, Germany would have lost by default because they never had a good enough navy to bring their war to the US. It would have been a repeat of WWI where Germany gets blockaded and eventually starved into submission.
>>73318485
>Implying it would not have been better for everyone
When a superior people civilize your land, you don't whine. CF american natives
>>73322080
>>73322080
Still no arguments
>>73322012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Leningrad
>>73321558
Yet this is what really happened.
When German were stopped in Moscow suburbs, they lost the ability to win quickly
When they have been defeated in Stalingrad, they lost the initiative of the combats
When they have been defeated in Koursk, they lost the ability to win against Russia
When they have been defeated in Belarus (Op. Bagration), they lost the war
Lend-lease was maybe a nice help, that really avoided England to collapse, but it was too late, too little and put it simply not decisive for Russia.
>>73322012
> Germany gets blockaded and eventually starved into submission
There is a solution for that
>>73321192
KEK so you mean after the US/Bongs/etc. poured over a million men onto the Western front the Germans had to reposition? Wow, amazing insight. Try reading a book Jamal.
>>73321241
So, Agreeing with me? Also US would have won vs Nazis.
>>73322694
There's a solution for that too :^)
>>73322270
k britbong
+1
>>73318485
We fought on the wrong side. We made a mistake.
thank you, burgers
from of deepest of my frozen heart.
>>73323016
>>73322766
On the 7 millions German dead during WW2, 6+ died in the eastern front.
The reality of the war effort against German has been provided by Russia.
Patton that wanted to attack the Russian were told to STFU not because USA didn't wanted it, but because at this moment they were too strong to be defeated.
Nazi Germany received in fact the product of the pillaging of the whole fucking mainland Europe, including France. Yet it failed, it has not been enough to defeat Russia.
So Murica would have had no chance trying it from abroad.
>>73322655
you are an idiot. over half of soviet trucks were USA/UK lend lease by mid '42. without them the soviet army would have been totally defeated. without operation overlord the german army group center wouldn't have been stripped of reserves and operation bagration would have been a stale mate at best. as it was it was 2:1 losses against the soviets.
>>73322655
Are you reading our textbook?
Not decisive? Not decisive? Ok, maybe, but look "trucks" line and the percentage for it. The heart of any motorized and mechanized army.
>>73323423
Lend lease helped mostly England, not Russia.
And Russia did not win the war with "trucks" which btw were not very good in the Russian weather conditions.
and BTW, at the same time Lend Lease was signed by Roosevelt, he signed also another law basically authorizing big companies to make commercial deals with nazi germany.
>>73323584
I maintain not decisive, and also the fact that there is very little historical studies on the real impact and influence of the lend lease for Soviet.
Yet it is clearly documented that before the lend lease, anything Russia obtained from USA had to be paid in gold or precious before shipping. Entire boats containing Russian payments have been sunk by German submarines.
The very first major problem of the German was the T34. It was not given by the lend lease.
>>73323373
>too strong to be defeated
You realize we could have nuked moscow with no possible retaliation, right?
>>Frogs
You deserved to get scorched to dust by the Nazis, Ivan.
>>73320308
My family were Yugoslav partisans in Greece (commies like [based] Tito funded a lot of the resistance) and my great-grandfather saw the village near Thessaloniki wiped out so his family left to America
>>73318485
I'd like to thank my Russian friends for supporting the North in the American Civil War by sending your fleet to convince the British and French that intervention would be too costly.
The unity of our republic was preserved thanks to your help.
>>73321486
This
Also, he needed the oil fields in the Caucuses and Kazakhstan in order to wage an assault on Britain. The Nazis were low on fuel resources and all the oil was in Slavland, so naturally they got BTFO
>>73320356
>Hover over file name to see full name
>Try to expand image to see full image
I get it.
>>73323373
>So Murica would have had no chance trying it from abroad.
You know what the Manhattan project was, right?
Soviets didn't get the bomb til the 50s. America could have glassed them into submission. It would have made the +20 Million already lost look like child's play.
>>73318485
You fucked it up by land-grabbing like a Jew at the end of the War.
Your suffering was/is well-deserved.
>>73325077
Appreciate your reply, friend. The land of the free.
Sadly that it was long ago and it (Russia) was different country back then.
>>73325077
More proof the eternal slav will always be against the spiritual health amd material prosperity of the west.
>>73324626
You realize that Russia has 13 fucking time zone from one edge to the other, and everything important was at this moment displaced in the Ural, out of reach of any strategic bomber. Nuking Moscow would have had no military effect at all.
And the possible retaliation was simple: Kick USA completely out of Europe.
>>73325594
Russia is 90% uninhabitable.
Nuke Moscow and that is their political leadership. Nuke every major Western Russia city and there is 3/4s of their population. Nuke every other major industrial and scientific center after that.
This is not some grand pitch battle like Kursk or Stalingrad. Anytime Russia responds with large troop relation we just nuke the formations and supply lines.
You can't win a Nuclear War without Nukes yourself. Napoleon would have a better chance against F-16s and Drone Strikes than the Soviets would have in the 40s against nukes.
>>73325287
I wonder if one day Murrica will find out that nuking Russia is just useless, because it's too immense.
America had bombs, but they were not at the today's level, and with the same ease of manufacturing. After Hiroshima and Nagazaki, how many bomb US had left ? 1, maybe 2. Not the hundreth, if not thousands that would have been necessary.
Not even speaking of the diplomatic consequences that would have been devastating for USA with such a traitor's move.
>>73324538
55 per cent is the impact, certainly.
>>73326083
nuke this, nuke that, forget it.
Russia couldn't been defeated by nukes then, and can't be defeated by nukes as of today. Period.
Also the fact Nuke is by design a post mortem weapon. You use it only when everything is lost, because you know that the retaliation will inflict you unsustainable losses. That all the point of the nuclear dissuation, this is how it work.
>>73323334
how true is this?
he wasn't a nazi sympathizer as far as I know?
surely he just meant that they should have fought communism too?
>>73318485
>My grandfather was a merchant marine
>He had a metal from the USSR for his service during WW2
>It was buried with him.
I kind of wish we kept it.
>>73326112
>Muh Russia Big and Stronk
They were always a paper tiger and a backwards joke. Just a propaganda power and nothing more. America could have steamrolled them at any time. Look at Russia's military history, it is a joke just read about the Russo-Japanese War. WW2 was their only real achievement and they have the Winter to thank for that, and it still took them +20 Million casualties.
It took them barely 45 years to fully collapse, lose all their land gains, and then embarrass themselves in Chechnya. Now they are once again struggling to put food on the table because they are oil-niggers and nothing more. African countries have more complex economies than Russia.
>>73326467
You can't understand what was nazism if you restrict it only to Germany.
First goal of nazism was to defeat the "bolchevik" - let's say the commies.
The jew thing was not the main target, only a secondary, easier one.
And in the 30's, everyone in the fucking western world agreed with the 1st goal: defeat communist.
Nazism was shared everywhere in EU, and well accepted. Even in England, the king was a full blow nazi. They were given czekoslovakia (sudetenland) for free in the clear hope they'll use it to attack soviets.
It's just Hitler fucked it up, signing with Russia to attack France and England first.
>>73326582
Thank you for the reply, friend.
>>73326185
>http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/668073/Vladimir-Putin-offers-disillusioned-British-citizens-free-land-in-Russia
Is this really still on offer and genuine?
Wouldn't mind moving there.
>>73326997
>>73327033
>>73326976
>>73326976
>Look at Russia's military history,
Yes, look at it...
>>73327023
This is for Russian citizens only. That's what the law states, I have read it.
>tfw Trump and Putin will create a USA-RUS alliance in your lifetime
>tfw Americans and Russians will once again fight side by side
>tfw the Bear and the Eagle will save humanity
Truly a new Era is upon us
>>73327327
>Just a propaganda power and nothing more
Thanks for the laugh. The vast might of the Russian Army with the largest surplus arsenal in the world couldn't even fucking beat a bunch of angry Goat-farmer Chechens.
>>73326997
Anytime, friend.
>>73318485
its ok, we know who our friends are.
>>73327609
>>73327609
you're baiting like a mad fisherman. stop
>>73327340
>>73327340
Fuck man.
What are the chances of me getting citizenship in Russia?
Surely you can fit in a few disgruntled white South Africans?
>t. American on vacation
>>73326976
> They were always a paper tiger and a backwards joke.
This is why we`ve been able to pay the debts of the whole USSR, including the the lend-lease debts of stalin and were amond the first, who closed the count, while you where cheating around your nuclear arms disposal program and gone full "too big to fail" mode after lend-lease shekels supply has ended.
>>73319252
This is 100% wrong.
>>73319783
This is also wrong. The U.S. had already helped to expel the Germans from North Africa and Sicily, and were painfully moving up the Italian peninsula. Hitler decided to move some his most experienced units from the Ost Front to maintain defensive lines in Italy.
Also, even when the decision was made to land at Normany, it was a tremendous risk and even Eisenhower had a speech prepared in the even of a defeat. An amphibious landing on the scale of the one pulled off on those French beaches had never been attempted before.
And of course, lest we not forget the U.S. had been single-handedly taking on the Japanese since the beginning of 1942.
>>73318485
its cool. we provided the steel, you provided the men
>>73323989
You're right, the trucks were only extremely valuable methods of transporting logistical supplies to keep armies on the march without a delay.
Let's not forget the even more valuable aid of industrial equipment delivered to the USSR as well. Most war of that era were decided through industrial might, the capacity to wage a war was entirely dependent on how fast and often you were able to resupply your soldiers on the ground.
>>73320308
That's what you get for partisan non-combatant activities. One of Germany's main problems on the Ost Front was the length of supply lines. Keeping the frontline units supplied over such great distances was already difficult enough without having the added strain of partisans. It was essential for the German war effort to keep supply lines as free as possible.
>>73327868
Well, you actually need to live in Russia legally for some time, master the language and etc. Then you can apply for citizenship at the local Internal Affairs division, bring all the necessary docs, pay the amount of 3500 roubles, wait for 6 months to get a passport, and be ready to abandon your previous citizenship.
>>73319252
Not really. Normandy started july.44, battle of Moscow ended jan.42.
The only american help was lend-lease and we would not needed it, if you sold us normal machinery in 30`s during your "new deal", instead of redneck scrap metal.
>>73326976
Also this.
Money talks, socialist biatch. Who is der Uebermehsch jetzt, Schwul? Take your third anglo international back and see the restoration of the civilization of the One True White Christian Man.
>>73328596
He coвceм пo тeмe, кoнeчнo, нo ты нe coвceм пpaв.
-the Russian Famine 1921 and US aid-
>>73328900
>The poorest Native America groups make more money than the average Russia
Holy shit, I didn't know it was that bad.
>>73328587
What city do you recommend?
I've actually grown used to living in the city, but wouldn't mind a place that's also not too far from nature.
>>73326457
MAD doctrine works only when all letters are there.
In '45 Russians didn't have the M.
>>73318485
Putting aside all current tensions, the gratitude runs both ways Russkiebro.
>>73328596
Germans were broken beyond repair during the Summer 1944 on both fronts, I seriously doubt they could have recovered after Bagration even without the liberation of France.
But the American involvement didn't start with the D-Day, you know. Strategic bombings were running since 1942.
>>73329868
Neither did the Americans. They basically dropped all the combat ready bombs they had on the Japs.
>>73318485
remember when you guys had to return all those military trucks & USA just crushed them all in front of your army?
Lmfaooo
>>73329764
I personally haven't been to the Far East (that Homestead kind of act applies only in that region) of Russia, so I could not recommend you any cities or towns there. Maybe Khabarovsk or Vladivostok are of your choice, friend.
>>73329764
Saint Petersburg
European city, not overcrowded like Moscow, with acceptable ecological situation, lots of nature nearby, great culture and all that jazz.
The only downside is shitty weather, lots of rains and mist.
For a starters try visiting it as a student in may-june, it's most beautiful city of the world right now.
>>73330127
I have no tension, you?
Thank you for the reply, friend.
Imagine a world without slavs.
>>73330551
I thought he asked about our Far East cities. But if not, St. P is the best choice. (:
>>73330730
stop dreaming of Great Fingolia, Pekka. It's time to move on
>>73330730
There would be less non-whites I suppose.
That can only be a good thing.
>>73330551
try visiting it as a tourist, of course
>>73330316
Source: eye witness accounts
Source: https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/05/01/wwii-madness-of-million-dollar-point-the-usa-dumped-1000s-of-tons-of-vehicles-into-the-pacific/
lmfaoooo remember that ruskies?
>>73320393
Germany lost primarily because the USA was funneling the Russians supplies.
>>73327327
BTFO by Golden Horde.
Cockblocked by degenerate oligarchic democracy and blonde sheep shaggers for centuries, with former resting their asses for two years on Kremlin, and being one religious asshole too far to blob into Matyushka Rassija.
Fucked dry in Crimea. Fucked again in WWI. Fucked by rebuilding ruin of democratic degenerates.
Fucked once again by another bunch of blonde sheep fuckers. Outrushed by probably biggest retard in history of military. Shafted in Viet so hard they had to pull strings on useful idiots in USA not to lose another puppet. Screwed over by two different groups of goatfuckers.
Russians are brave and fierce people.
So sad their rulers rarely are anywhere near competent.
>>73330236
Well, they managed to dump three bombs in Bikini atoll just for fun (and science) very next summer. I think USA could easily get D and A back faster than USSR could scrape anything to look like M
>>73330774
You have my compassion, mate, as it seems you're less lucky than even us, when it comes to people in charge of your homeland.
>>73318485
white phosphorus and nukes win any war
>>73330456
Will look into them now, thanks.
>>73330551
>>73330551
Sounds like my cup of tea.
Are we allowed to bear arms - not sure if the laws have changed?
>>73331818
traumatic guns only
Anytime, RUSbro. I hope those Trump/Putin future images become a reality.
>>73318485
I don't get it. Why did the US back the Soviet Union, if the Soviet Union was an ally of the Third Reich?
Both countries wanted a war, why do you pick SU over Germany?
>>73318485
We will double team Turkroach in the future and share vodka in Constantinople!
>>73331818
It is allowed to own up to five pieces of the smoothbore weapon or pistols. You just need to do some paperwork and get a permission to own a license to buy a gun with it.
>>73332113
because the whole world doesn't revolve around Poland.
maybe from your point of view USSR was ally of Germany, but other countries thought otherwise, at least from summer 1941
>>73332066
Thanks for the reply, friend.
>>73330944
Germany lost because Barbarossa failed to achieve its primary goal of not letting Soviet Union to mobilize. They didn't had plans for additional mobilization, pilot rotation or strategic bombing (actually they didn't have any kind of comprehensive centralised air doctrine) becuase running over unprepared armies worked so well before in Poland and France. Muh Blitzkrieg.
>>73331118
What would they do with 3 bombs? Don't forget these would have to be transported over Soviet territory. It worked in Japan because the Japanese airforce was wiped out by that point and even then they picked the cities that were as close as possible to their airbases.
>>73332871
If they could freely dump three nukes in one atoll at end of world, they could produce more.
Also they captured most of nazi scientists and several jet planes.
If USA had the balls to wage their last just war in '46-47 they could've won it, and saved our homelands from curse of gommunizms.
Cause those red fuckers wouldn't let it go without war.
