If you use porn, you are degenerate, but if you understand this and struggle with it, then you are at least making an effort. But if you post porn, that is actively propagating degeneracy and is extremely wrong. If someone uses porn for their OP, don't view their thread. Let's boycott porn OP's on /pol/ and make it an upstanding board. Do you want to built the sort of world you advocate? Start with yourself. Hide all porn threads, ignore porn posts, do not reply to porn posters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw8XE3j_c0U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8r5r4R2yuE
>>73269037
Masturbation in general is a pretty bad habit. If you're wanking 3 times a day, that's bad, and you have an addiction. I consider myself addicted, and I go about 4 times a week, but I'm trying to get it down to once a week, and eventually 0 with time (maybe once or twice a month). I also watch porn less frequently now.
Longest I've went without it was 2 months. It's fairly easy to give it up, as long as you keep yourself occupied.
>>73269037
>but if you understand this and struggle with it, then you are at least making an effort
OP confirmed for a pon addict.
>>73269037
God bless, schismatic
>>73269386
I use to wank like 5 times a day no joke when I was in middle school after my friends told me about a porn channel, I was so addicted after that for almost 5 years and it truly perverted my view on sex, almost fell into bestiality shit, thank Christ I am doing much better now and have more control over myself, don't listen to this fucking assholes telling you its ok and normal, if you do have the fire on you and cannot control your self do it with a clear mind to let it go but do not look at porn or imagine naked women in your mind, that is my advice form a victim of porn.
>>73269037
Bump
t. Atheist
>>73269386
>if you're wanking 3 times a day, that's bad
What makes this inherently bad? You can say wanking off 3 times a day is subjectively bad for you but in no way is 3 a day's objectively bad.
You could maybe say ADDICTION is bad.
But even then, addictions can be good. Such as work/knowledge addiction.
At best, You can say it FEELS bad. Just like sjw's say something FEELS racist without really offering much proof besides emotions
>>73269037
>>73269386
self control FTW
KILL THE DRAGON CONTROL YOUR BODY
Nofap master race reporting in.
Porn is degenerate and fucks with your sexuality. Self-control is the master race.
>>73270473
Hmmhmm tell yourself whatever you need to.
>>73269588
Not at all actually, heh.
>>73269386
>I'm trying to get it down to once a week, and eventually 0 with time
why?
>>73270835
Masturbation and porn are what keeps men sedated and complacent to the ills befalling society around them. I think we'd have a much better world without porn, much, much better, men would not be as complacent. At least I don't think they would, but I can't be sure. Just my opinion.
>>73269037
>But if you post porn, that is actively propagating degeneracy
Fuck off, Ahmed.
>>73270747
I don't masturbate much since I'm in my 30's and married. I'd just like to hear why something is bad based on facts and evidence.
Feel free to chime in with facts and evidence that could explain masturbating 3 times a day is objectively BAD.I'd settle for evidence that says it's bad merely for your health rather then bad in general.
>>73270835
Do you realize what a fucking waste of your energy and time porn is? It's like watching fucking let's plays, yet at least Let's Plays have room for commentary or something in them.
>>73271030
who is this?
>>73271056
Would you say the same about having a wank without porn?
>>73271032
Can you say it's objectively good?
>>73269386
>I'm trying to get it down to once a week, and eventually 0 with time
>>73271140
Yes, MAYBE not as much though.
>>73269037
>Constantine !!wiONUfmVEQi
didn't read anything else.
I'm sure your knowledge on cocksucking is vast
You're on a porn site.
>>73271156
Are you Jewish? Why are you so concerned with making sure porn is propagated on /pol/? You don't even have to go to another site for it, just another board. Is it too much to ask that we don't have it here? It's not like it denies you of porn
>>73271119
You're Muslim, feminist or gay, and that's why you rant against porn.
Moreover being against porn is not politically incorrect, it even being advocated by politicians, it's not a topic that belongs in /pol/. Never post it again.
All you no fappers.
For HEALTH reasons you should cum at least once every 48 hours.
If you're not getting sex and cumming at least once every 48 hours you NEED to masturbate.
Very serious, you can actually make yourself become infertile by no-fapping.
>>73271255
If 4chan counts as a porn site, so does Tumblr, Google, Facebook and Reddit.
>>73271274
>Are you Jewish? Why are you so concerned with making sure porn is propagated on /pol/?
You're on a porn site, Shlomo. I don't advocate Kikery (porn isn't kikery anyway), I advocate keeping religious nutters like you, OP, off /pol/.
>>73271030
EVERY
FUCKING
THREAD.
You are a swede born in a Russian """mans""" body. Get the fuck out of here you literal cuck. Don't you have you some more videos of men fucking a woman you will never touch to be watching?
>>73271282
>Falling for propoganda this fucking hard
Get a hold of yourself you insecure cretin.
>>73271299
Good, keep your hands off google, too. Nobody will miss you.
>>73271225
Nope
>>73271280
Porn is canned sexual degeneracy, do you disagree?
>>73271282
Nonsense, genitals developed long before hands, they don't need them.
>>73269037
No one cares what some faggot on pol thinks.
>>73271367
No matter how often you redefine "cuck", watching porn is the opposite of cuckery
>>73271056
I never mentioned porn. What's wring with wanking once or twice a week? That's hardly any time wasted, maybe 15 minutes. Your answer sucks.
>>73270941
That's why you do it in moderation, again, I didn't mention porn.
>>73271478
>watching porn is the opposite of cuckery
Explain?
>>73271423
>Porn is canned sexual degeneracy, do you disagree?
No, I don't. Porn is filmed natural behavior that feels so good because the mind knows how beneficial it is.
>>73271427
Because porn doesn't belong on this board, it adds nothing to discussion, and it is used for BBC threads and other questionable things that have no substance. There are many boards for porn, there is zero reason to post it here other than to propagate degeneracy
so is it okay to jerk off without porn?
>>73269037
If you impose your will on others you are a real degenerate.
So sod off.
>>73269037
Trying to kick the shit myself. It's the only thing I have a serious problem with. It's easy enough to stay away from when my gf is here, but when she's gone and I gotta let one loose it's too easy to go back to. I just want to masturbate in moderation to the thought of my woman.
>>73271532
I take if you don't think promiscuity is degenerate?
Is it degenerate if my gf hooks up with another girl with no one else around? I really dont see myself having a problem with it. The other girl is a qt btw.
>>73271600
No, society needs hierarchy, it's a good thing.
>>73271478
You are literally vicariously experiencing pleasure through another man fucking a woman. You might as well be standing right next him jacking off. Nice try shill, but more and more people on /pol/ are waking up and realizing just how degenerate porn is. You will be a minority soon.
>>73271560
>Because porn doesn't belong on this board
Yes, it does sometimes. For example when a politically incorrect topic is about porn.
Now granted, the /pol/ rules say "No porn", but I am very happy that the mods only delete porn which is offtopic and not every porn.
>>73271675
Yes, it's degenerate. Do you understand what the word "degenerate" means? It means to decline in quality compared to previous generations. Do you think that would be accepted in the 1950's?
I can get off purely on the visual image of stroking my cock with my hand, what does that mean. I'm purely hetero but can get off by my own dick.
>>73271621
There are only 2 degeneracies
1. Women not doing what the man wants.
2. Whiteknights protecting women.
>>73271704
>For example when a politically incorrect topic is about porn.
Why? Do discuss the details of the maneuvers?
>>73271423
>Nonsense, genitals developed long before hands, they don't need them.
lol
>>73271773
So open the floodgates to immigrants and let rape run rampant?
>>73271701
>You are literally vicariously experiencing pleasure through another man fucking a woman
But not MY woman, which is the very defining piece of what cuckoldry is. Millions of men fuck millions of women every day, you retard. And they fuck them without you having any say.
So you miss the 2 most important pieces of what cuckoldry is: It's neither MY woman, nor could I have a say in it.
>>73271875
What if your woman was watching porn, and "vicariously experiencing pleasure through another man"
>>73271146
I can't.
>>73271875
You're pathetic. It doesn't matter if it's your woman or not. So you're saying there is literally nothing wrong with standing next to another man having sex, while you jack it? Fuck out of here beta.
>>73271749
Are you sure that you arent just a little jelly? I mean the 1950s were based and everything but i honestly do not think it will hurt our relationship in any way as long as another man isnt involved.
>>73269037
porn is not the best habbit but it helps when you cant get the boipussy pounded irl and need a relief.
4chan's advertising constantly reminds me of the degeneracy masturbation and porn provides
>>73271875
So if a man was having sex with your woman and you had no say, it wouldn't be as bad to masturbate to it as if you did have say?
If your ex-girlfriend were in a porn, would you masturbate to it?
>>73272249
Anime itself is degenerate, it's what caused the transsexual epidemic.
>>73269037
If you are used by women, you are degenerate, but if you understand this and struggle with it, then you are at least making an effort. But if you allow women to use you, that is actively propagating degeneracy and is extremely wrong. If someone promotes white knightery for their OP, don't view their thread. Let's boycott white knight OP's on /pol/ and make it an upstanding board. Do you want to built the sort of world you advocate? Start with yourself. Hide all white knights, ignore gynocentric posts, do not reply to feminist posters.
This is now a MGTOW thread.
>>73269037
i wish you retarded fucking noporners would at least take the factual approach and spread the word on how porn addiction fuck you up physiologically
but no, you go full muh christianity
there's plenty of substantiated evidence that porn and rampant masturbation is terrible for you, use it.
>>73269037
Agreed.
I'm having trouble stopping porn though... I always slip back after a week or so.
>>73272292
Every single person I've met who watches anime has been a degenerate, every single one.
>>73272426
Ok post it then. Help us out.
>>73272442
Isn't that sort of weird though since a lot anime pushes messages of purity and family values/innocence?
>>73272375
Join a monastery. Better for you spiritually, and it is the only read MGTOW
>>73272617
It pushes a fetish for them. When all filthy fetishes become normal, then the most perverse thing is purity. That's what happened with Japan.
>>73272602
i used to have a .doc for it, actually. i think i've lost it, but bear with me and i'll find the links i remember.
LMAO we BTFOed the famous Russian cuck so hard, he rage quit on us to go binge watch some more porn.
>>73272426
I agree with everything you said.
Oh, for all you cucks still addicted to porn and masturbation, here's how I kicked it.
Take whatever today's date is, make it the 7th of may for example. On the 7th of june, you can masturbate, except, if you have any form of sexual contact, whatever date that happened on (for me the 31st of April) is the new date next month you can masturbate on.
One of two things will happen, you will either have sexual contact with someone (which you'll be more inclined to do due to your lack of Porn/masturbation cuckening) and always push that date forward, or you'll hit your month and be so disgusted with porn and the fact you can't get laid you won't want to masturbate. Not only that, but instead of counting up from the day you abstained, you'll be pushing away something you don't want.
>>73272617
>>73272675
It could also be due to Japan's falling birth/family rate, would make sense to make having a family an aspirational goal, no?
Just ignore the lolli content.
>>73272426
>there's plenty of substantiated evidence that porn and rampant masturbation is terrible for you
No there isn't.
>>73272802
>an anonymous forum post is my standard of evidence.
kill yourself
I could not cum with girls when I was fucking them because of porn, or I did cum but it was extremely forced and felt like shit.
Now that I stopped I cum so good, when a pussy makes me cum, it feels a 1000 times better than a handy
>>73272770
No, because men who watch anime too much don't want real families, they want 2D waifus. It doesn't, and wasn't intended to, motivate men to have families.
>>73272802
Hey buddy you got BTFOed, you're done, bye bye. You need to start on your 5th fap of the day, this time it's tranny porn because your bored of the vanilla shit.
>>73269037
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7V1W967ofA
>>73271701
>Wrong side of history argument
kek
>>73272890
Yep, because as we all know western women are all whores (totally not because you can't interact with them to save your life) and having a waifu is better.
Damn, why couldn't I be born Japanese!!!
>>73273035
Damn. Guess I'm a #cruzmissile.
>>73272802
go away satan shill
http://yourbrainonporn.com
>>73269037
FUCK THE ANTIPORN MEME
>>73273045
The Orthodox women who consistently come to church certainly aren't.
>>73273209
Oh look another website about porn addiction, not porn. It's just a pure coincidence that they want to sell their BS books.
>>73273209
while i realize you're arguing with a guy who takes a forum post as the gospel truth, you can't rebut "YBOP is trash and here's why" with a link to YBOP
>>73273045
Trying to shame men, eh? Fuck off, feminist.
OP is right. Back in the boom of the early 2000's porn industry I consulted (digital marketing) for various production companies in Miami and Las Vegas. I got a front row seat to a lot of the degeneracy these Jews peddle. It was the single most "awakening" moment of my life. I haven't watched it since.
One obviously AIDS ridden producer was talking about all the different ways to make dicks look bigger. It's all a Jewish mindfuck to make you feel inadequate.
>>73271701
>more and more people on /pol/ are waking up and realizing just how degenerate porn is
Delusion the post.
>>73273392
Lol, teh jews
>>73269037
I am going to continue jerking off to hot white girls getting gang fucked by niggers and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.
Pic related, stay mad
>>73271030
Which amateurallure is this?
Don't post porn guys, it hurts my sjw girlfriend's feelings and triggers her to see attractive thin women
>>73270691
just added that to my wallpaper as a reminder
>>73273288
The orthodox church is evaporating, nobody takes Christianity seriously anymore.
Seeing arousing images all day will increase your DHT levels and make you bald.
FACT
>>73273286
That's go- guy! It's a meme. Porn is good for you. It's good for the brain, I recomend you watch at least an hour of porn a day. Didn't you hear a recent study said that people with higher IQs tend to jack it to porn nearly twice as much as people with lower IQs? Porn is amazing, isn't it great to be sexually liberated?
>>73273387
I'm shaming the cucks who blame women for their shortcomings, you see whinge threads on here all the time, I'm far from feminist.
>>73273614
I also read an article that said cuckoldry correlated with intellect, especially interracial cuckoldry, and that the highest IQ was found among couples willing to sacrifice monogamy to help refugees
>>73273630
>I'm shaming the cucks who blame women
Holy fuck, you're the cuck of whiteknights and you aren't ashamed to admit it. You are the filth of the planet.
>>73273594
It's a single priest, not even a bishop, in a single sermon, exhorting Christians and trying to wake them up. Yet you have pictures of the Patriarch attached. Why?
>>73273578
>KDE
what distro?
>>73269037
I had to forcibly quit porn before I ever had to see any anti-porn thread or video.
I started volunteering to help with the Prestige oil issue and spent a whole month camping with a lot of people and there was no time, internet or energy to fap.
When I came back I felt really vigorous and I thought I was feeling good for helping. But it was something else, it wasn't only motivation and mental health it was also more energy. After another month I spent a rainy day at home and remembered that I didn't fap in two months and I thought that was a good time to do so. I slowly became reclusive and low energy again. It's been a long time since then and after reading what porn does I kinda understand the situation better and I'm trying to quit it forever this time.
It's not only porn addiction, it's the internet addiction. Like browsing this board too much. Being idle in general is terrible.
>>73273594
>>73273811
From today
>“This is why the war on terrorism today is the holy war today. I pray to God that people all over the world understand this and stop dividing terrorists into good and bad ones as well as connecting the war on terror with their own goals, that are often non-declared yet strongly present on the political agenda,” the leader of the Russian Orthodox Church said.
https://www.rt.com/politics/342097-russian-orthodox-patriarch-declares-international/
>>73269037
Get your PC bullshit off my board
>>73273944
Arch
>>73274060
Porn was outlawed in the 1950's
>>73273809
Hahahahahahahaha okay dude
>>73273974
Haha, holy shit, they messed up the images for real: https://islamislogic.wordpress.com/2014/11/10/khutbah-imam-katolik-gemparkan-internet/
The orthodox church got cucked by Muslims.
>>73273955
Absolutely this, thanks for sharing. Problem is that we need more people to simply take a break from not fapping for a month or two instead of finding excuses, figure shit out on your own instead and form your own opinion
>>73274060
" I'm gonna rip your balls off so you can not contaminate the rest of the board."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXhKpUfITV0&list=RDpJ9Kk3ATyuM&index=12
>>73274214
Yeah, that guy is a priest. He's not a bishop. He's certainly not the Patriarch. The pictures on that article are of the Patriarch
What if my wife sends me nudes?
>>73274157
"1,2,3,4 I love aussie shitpost"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEiWXz3BkpA&list=RDpJ9Kk3ATyuM&index=14
>>73273546
>>73271107
emily grey. get her older stuff, she was a 10/10 qt before she turned skeleton mode. babes and x-art are her best ones
I need help
Porn is fucking awesome.
Women need to be put in their place.
>>73269037
I used to be a atheist until i found out i had sex with demons in my sleep , that is where wet dreams come from. so when i found jesus i am on no fap and no porn for months now. and taadaa no more wet dreams or demon rape.
you would probably think this is bullshit but as a atheist i could not believe it myself also
>yfw reading
>>73274528
>Porn doesn't put women in their place
Yes, it does. It shows them how sex objects should behave.
>>73274599
Found the virgin
>>73274599
Women should be sluts?
>>73274649
Haha, the ones who claim that women aren't whores like >>73273288 are the virgins.
>>73274722
Kid, do you even talk to any females regularly?
>>73274668
Women _are_ sluts. I'm sorry it triggers you that they don't run around wrapped in curtains, Ahmed. You probably also think that anal sex is haram.
>>73274766
nah he just shitposts 24/7
>>73274789
I think fornication is.
You know women who go to Orthodox church consistently are not sluts
Consider this. I am inferior, ugly, short, small-dick. So I have no chance with women that doesn't involve working extremely hard to get women that average men get easily.
Why should I not focus on porn instead?
>>73274978
You only need one woman, not several.
>>73274924
My experience fucking them says otherwise
>>73275001
Which part of my post did you not understand?
I would have to work much harder to get sex compared to average men. It's not fair. I'm not gonna take it like a cuck.
>>73269386
I seriously used to wank like 5-7 times a day
I still wank like once a day now but I dont think I could even handle 7 wanks in one day at this point so im making progress
Im back on nofap atm but Ive done it before and dropped out so we`ll see how it goes
Got a job atm aswell so hopefully will have less idle time
>>73275001
i can't even get 1 tho
ITT: people too stupid to notice stale pasta.
This faggot makes the same thread every fucking week.
>>73274456
>water sports
urine is a natural aphrodisiac (legacy of from animal kingdom / territory marking / pheromones) and urea (a key constituent of urine) is used in 85% of all pharmaceuticals (...albeit the animal variety)...
urine is also 100% sterile (otherwise you'd get kidney / urinary tract infection), so can be used to clean wounds where clean water is unavailable; it has not health benefits when ingested in regulate amounts (urine is merely nutrients the body cannot use at the time -- unlike faeces, which is waste... albeit containing important, good gut bacteria and even sometimes 'transfused' into patients lacking thus... but that's another topic)...and urine is also a good measure of one's health (lighter yellow = enough water intake)
>>73275118
I don't think so
>>73275164
Stop trying to just "get sex". Look for a life time mate. Watching porn doesn't make you not a cuck, do you think cucks and degenerates don't watch porn?
>>73270473
If your wanking off 3 times a day, even if your a speedster and get off in ten mins your still wasting a chunk of time there
Wanking three times a day is bad more than just subjectively, its a waste of time
>>73275202
Do you have a job?
>>73269037
I do this everyday, for years, but only to relax and because I'm bored.
I've also been watching more and more extreme stuff, the regular videos aren't enjoyable anymore.
The longest I've went without was two weeks, earlier this year. It still didn't change my habits of watching the extreme stuff.
How long does it take to 'reset'?
>>73275373
I have no idea.
You shouldn't do it.
>>73271343
>porn isn't kikery anyway
lol fuck off
So are blowjobs from my wife degenerate?
>>73275288
>Look for a life time mate.
That's also gonna be harder. Even more than getting casual sex.
>>73275373
A loong time
>>73271600
thats the opposite of degenerate
Letting everyone run around doing what they want is degenerate
Oh look, the MGTOW shills are also pro-porn, what a surprise.
what a bunch of legit guys
>>73275288
They're kinky as fuck. Think what you like
>>73271282
>what are wet dreams
If you ever dont fap for long enough, youll start getting wet dreams its literally your bodies way of expelling excesses
>>73275464
Don't think it's really my place to say, and I don't think that sort of thing should be discusses with anyone but your wife and maybe you're priest if it bothers your conscience. It doesn't belong here
>>73269037
If you aren't getting laid with an exclusive partner, then snap one off twice a week without porn. It's good for you.
Porn conditions your brain to be attracted to porn, not actual women. That's why 23 year olds get Ed now, because when they have their dick next to an actual pussy, it just doesn't react, because it's not porn. Went through it myself, wasn't limp, but I was pushing stuff rope when I should have been smacking some cervix. Cut out porn and was back to normal within a few months. Porn induced Ed is no joke and it's gonna affect a lot of teens due to the fact that they can masturbate all night to a million different videos. Staying up till 5am edging watching video after video will fuck your shit up.
>>73275903
Before the Internet kids were wanking 'til 5am to dad's magazines, il concede kids are spoiled and porn ruins the imagination but I jack once a day regularly, but when I get intimate with my girlfriend I still get a fucking rager
>>73276192
That's because you're having regular sex on top of it. Kids snapped one off to the mags, not 47 tabs with different sluts getting pounded out until they finally snap one off 2 or 3 hours later. It's a different style of jacking off and it really messes up teens that jack off to porn from 15 to 20 without actually fucking women. There are quite a few studies on PIED.
>>73269037
I only masturbate is because I can't last a minute fucking a girl. I can last 15-20 minutes getting a bj and more masturbating thou.
>>73276758
Think of Kevin spaceys floating head staring right at you as you're fucking her. it's bulletproof
>>73275790
wrong
>>73274565
>>73276854
Never worked anon. Reason I broke up with my girlfriend was because shit was embarrassing
>>73277218
You poor soul. I'm truly sorry
What would you say qualifies as porn
Is any stimulus porn?
Is scantly clad or suggestive pictures porn?
Is softcore images as degenerate as HD interacial gangbang cuckoldry ?
>>73277541
Any picture designed to arose, is bad, but porn generally means stuff that wouldn't be safe for work no matter what site it was on.
>all these delusional porn addicts defending their harmful behaviour
Yes, it's partly internet addiction, but deliberately watching porn and feeding your porn addiction by briefly skimming through porn imagery has by far the most devastating effect on your brain.
It has been known for decades that continuous large dopamine surges desensitize your brain's reward system which causes lethargy, apathy, depression and other alike symptoms. Many studies have shown that sexual imagery and porn cause massive dopamine surges in human brain, however the same image/video quickly loses its effect, as in, the brain gets "used" to it. However, when they showed a new video/image, the amount of dopamine released peaked again and they could repeat this multiple times.
When your brain releases dopamine, it also produces DeltaFosB, which kinda works like a reminder of "Hey, this thing I just did was great and released some dopamine, I should do this more often if I ever get a chance!". In healthy amounts it works as a positive reinforcement, guiding you to return to things your brain perceived as beneficial, like acquiring food and sex, but in large amounts it can cause cravings and even withdrawals. DeltaFosB is, indeed, one of the most important factors in addiction. It also strengthens the neural connections between the neural pathways that are related to the original stimuli, which often leads to "irrelevant" stimuli feeding your addiction. Like when ex-smokers can get a dopamine rush/cravings from smelling tobacco smoke or seeing a tobacco carton or seeing someone else smoking. It has been shown that just like drug abuse induced dopamine surges, porn induced dopamine surges both cause the brain to produce excess DeltaFosB, which doesn't occur in nature where such stimuli doesn't exist.
Porn addiction is real and you are likely affected by it. However, not everyone reacts as strongly as some do.
When do you guys even mean by PORN """""""""""""""ADDICTION""""""""""""
Is watching porn once every 1-2 days for a 2-3 minutes considered an """"""""""addiction""""""""""""?
You guys who go around spamming "MUH PORN ADDICTION" sound like reformed smokers/alcoholics. From my perspective, porn addiction is when your life is actually interrupted and you're spending hours everyday masturbating and seeing dozens/hundreds of porn images.
>>73278603
It's pretty much just "using" porn at all. It dulls your imagination and your interest in real life women. Naked female beauty was never meant to be available at the click of a mouse. It's probably the main reason (after feminist bullshit) for there being so many singles today.
It's best to avoid it at all times. It's no coincidence that the globalist media is pushing it everywhere, and the chosen people are making like half of all the porn in the world.
>>73278807
>dulls your imagination and your interest in real life women
Well real life women aren't interested in me.
What is degeneracy? Can someone explain please?
>>73278807
And straight men in war use to suck each-others dicks because no access to women for long periods of time. Do you suggest we start suck each-others dicks?
>>73269037
I agree 100%.
>>73278928
You first
>>73278848
Do you have a job?
>>73278880
>late 15c., from Latin degeneratus, past participle of degenerare "to be inferior to one's ancestors, to become unlike one's race or kind, fall from ancestral quality," used of physical as well as moral qualities, from phrase de genere, from de + genus (genitive generis) "birth, descent" (see genus). The noun is from 1550s.
>>73279016
>Do you have a job?
I do. Why are you asking though? My tall Chad friends can get girlfriends even without having one.
>>73279103
They can get laid, but I'm talking about wife material.
>>73270941
If there was no porn, there would be a stronger drive to get real women. Which creates more alphas.
>>73279149
They can get wife material too. Much easily than me(obviously).
>>73279191
Alphas aren't created. Alphas are born through good genes and family.
>>73270941
If there was no porn there'd be a lot more rapist and mass shootings. Not even memeing.
>>73269037
If you are a tripfag you are degenerate
>>73279298
>what is Epigenetics
>>73269037
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Mw8XE3j_c0U
I fapped on that.
>>73279103
>Stop with the porn
>Don't kowtow to women
>Get fit, either go to the gym or pick up some sport that toughs you up, like boxing. Preferably both.
>Don't let Chad's make fun of you when you go out clubbing etc. It makes you look weak and a worthless mate for a woman.
>Try to up your self-esteem in every way and always stick to your guns in conversations. Not aggressively, but confidently.
Even if you can't become a Chad, you can become a fake Chad. Else you can just get really involved in religious organizations and stuff. The best waifus are there.
>>73279435
>Get fit, either go to the gym or pick up some sport that toughs you up, like boxing. Preferably both.
Meanwhile guys who just had to be born tall and with a decent face can get women without doing any of it.
>Don't let Chad's make fun of you when you go out clubbing etc. It makes you look weak and a worthless mate for a woman.
Yeah and getting beaten the shit out of groups of Chads surely will not. And before you start talking about martial arts, it's obvious that even someone trained can't take on multiple attackers. And Chads, boy do they like to have big groups.
Really, why should I work hard when Chad doesn't have to? Only a retard would accept that.
>>73279280
Men without jobs cannot get good wife material, trust me.
Are you religious?
>>73279568
Just go to those czech female agents bro as a male performer
>>73279578
>trust me.
I don't trust you, because I know few men like this who have rich girlfriends who want to marry them and these guys don't even look for jobs.
I'm not religious. Shouldn't be surprising if you look at my flag.
>>73271030
i was onboard with you op until i saw this.
>>73279661
Wife material means a woman who will stay loyal to you for your life, will care seriously about your kids, and won't leave you over something petty. A woman being rich does not necessarily entail that.
It's not surprising, but it's a shame, since it would probably help.
Porn and its Psychological Effects
In 1982 and 1984, Dr. Dolf Zillmann and Dr. Jennings Bryant conducted an experiment with 80 male and 80 female college-age participants.101 These were divided into three subgroups, and each group was shown 4 hours and 48 minutes of media over a six-week period: (1) the “Massive Exposure Group” was shown 36 non-violent pornographic film clips; (2) the “Intermediate Exposure Group” was exposed to 18 pornographic film clips and 18 regular films; and (3) the “No Exposure” control group was shown 36 non-pornographic film clips.
>>73279924
- A direct correlation was noticed between the amount of pornography one viewed and one’s overall sexual satisfaction. Participants from the Massive Exposure Group reported less satisfaction with their intimate partner, such as their partner’s physical appearance, affection, and sexual performance. Researchers concluded, “consumers eventually compare appearance and performance of pornographic models with that of their intimate partners, and this comparison rarely favors their intimate partners.”
- Those exposed to more pornography attached more value to casual sex (i.e. sex without emotional involvement).
- When asked if minors should be protecting from seeing pornography, 84% of the No Exposure Group, 54% of the Intermediate Exposure Group, and 37% of the Massive Exposure Group said yes.
- Porn seemed to condition participants to trivialize rape. Participants were asked to read about a legal case where a man raped a female hitchhiker and then recommend a length for the rapist’s prison sentence. Males in the No Exposure Group said 94 months; the Massive Exposure Group said 50 months (nearly half that of the No Exposure Group).
- Participants were asked to rate their overall support for women’s rights. Both men and women who were in the Massive Exposure Group showed significant drops in support compared to the No Exposure Group. There was 71% male support in the No Exposure Group compared to 25% in the Massive Exposure Group and 82% female support in the No Exposure Group compared to 52% in the Massive Exposure Group.
- When asked how common or popular certain sexual activities were in the general population — activities like anal sex, group sex, sadomasochism, and bestiality — the percentages given by the Massive Exposure Group were two to three times higher than the No Exposure Group.
>>73279986
- The Massive Exposure Group was far more likely to believe women fit the stereotype of the women they see in pornographic films — that is, “socially non-discriminating, as hysterically euphoric in response to just about any sexual or pseudosexual stimulation,and as eager to accommodate seemingly any and every sexual request.”
- Additionally, two weeks after they stopped seeing videos, all participants were given an assortment of pornographic and non-pornographic films to watch in private. Those who were exposed to more pornography were significantly more likely to want to watch hardcore porn.
In a 2002 study, 71 male undergraduate students were divided into 3 groups. Each group watched 10-11-minute video segments: a sexually-explicit and degrading film, a sexually-explicit educational film, and a non-sexual film. Later the men were placed side-by-side with a woman in a seemingly unrelated social experiment.
- Viewers of the sexually-explicit film displayed more dominance and anxiety, ignored contributions of their partner more often, touched their partner for longer periods of time, and averted their partner’s gaze more compared to viewers of the non-sexual film.
- Viewers of the sexually-explicit and degrading film spent longer periods of time averting their partner’s touch and gazing at their partner’s face, interrupted their partner more, advanced to touch their partner more, and made more sexual references compared to viewers of the sexually-explicit film.
In 2005, a study of youth between the ages of 10 and 17 concluded that there is a significant relationship between frequent porn use and feelings of loneliness and major depression.
Gary R. Brooks, Ph.D., describes what he observes as a “pervasive disorder” linked to the consumption of soft- core pornography like Playboy. He mentions five main symptoms of this:
>>73280042
Voyeurism: An obsession with looking at women rather than interacting with them. This can apply to far more than pornography, including any consumption of the “sexuality-on-tap” culture in which we live; media glorifies and objectifies women’s bodies, thus promoting unreal images of women, feeding male obsession with visual stimulation and trivializing other mature features of a healthy sexual relationship.
Objectification: An attitude in which women are objects rated by size, shape and harmony of body parts. Sexual fantasy leads to emotional unavailability and dissatisfaction.
Validation: The need to validate masculinity through beautiful women. Women who meet centerfold standards only retain their power as long as they maintain “perfect” bodies and the lure of unavailability; it is very common for a man’s fantasy sexual encounter to include a feeling of manly validation; it is also common for men to feel invalidated by their wives if they have trained their minds and bodies to respond only to the fantasy advances of their dream girl.
Trophyism: The idea that beautiful women are collectibles who show the world who a man is. Pornography reinforces the women’s-bodies-as-trophies mentality.
Fear of True Intimacy: Inability to relate to women in an honest and intimate way despite deep loneliness. Pornography exalts a man’s sexual needs over his need for sensuality and intimacy; some men develop a preoccupation with sexuality, which powerfully handicaps their capacity for emotionally intimate relationships.
“Prolonged exposure to pornography, it must be remembered, results in both a loss of respect for female sexual autonomy and the disinhibition of men in the expression of aggression against women.” - Dr. James B. Weaver.
Porn, Violence and Rape
88.2% of top rated porn scenes contain aggressive acts principally spanking, gagging, and slapping, while 48.7% of scenes contained verbal aggression, primarily name-calling.
- In 70% of occurrences, a man is perpetrator of the aggression; 94% of the time the act is directed towards a woman.
- Only 9.9% of the top selling scenes analyzed contained behaviors such as kissing, laughing, caressing, or verbal compliments.
- Open-hand slapping occurs in 41.1% of scenes.
- Sex depicted in porn movies generally focuses on men’s sexual pleasure and orgasm, rather than equally that of women’s (Bridges and Wosnitzer, 2007)
Porn scenes have sexist and racist themes through out. Websites often contain menus where users can select genres of women’s ethnicities, body types, and ages. There are also choices such as “amateur,” “interracial”, and the ever popular “teen” category. Men and women who are anything other than white are represented in stereotypical and demeaning ways.
Studies show that after viewing pornography men are more likely to:
- report decreased empathy for rape victims
- have increasingly aggressive behavioral tendencies
- report believing that a woman who dresses provocatively deserves to be raped
- report anger at women who flirt but then refuse to have sex
- report decreased sexual interest in their girlfriends or wives
- report increased interest in coercing partners into unwanted sex acts (Bridges, 2006) (Yang, Gahyun, 2012).
In a meta-analysis of 46 studies published from 1962 to 1995, comprising a total sample of 12,323 people, researchers concluded pornographic material puts one at increased risk of:
- developing sexually deviant tendencies (31% increase in risk)
- committing sexual offenses (22% increase in risk)
- accepting rape myths (31% increase in risk)
I feel bad for alot of you no fap, no porn, people. If you seem to have gotten the idea in your head that jerking off is what is not getting you laid, you're probably mistaken (unless you're one of those people who is desensitized to regular sex from porn)
You are putting way to much focus on something that isn't going to help you. Shit, if anything it hurts your chances. I know its anecdotal, but when i was single i would jerk off twice before going out. I didn't put a huge priority on getting laid, and women always respond to that because you dont seem desperate.
Spend time improving your appearance. Fix your skin, groom yourself impeccably, whiten your teeth, lift weights, wear neat, clean clothes/shoes. Don't worry if you're a 5, just fix your shit as best as possible.
>>73269037
>2016, using porn and not whores
lame
Among perpetrators of sex crimes, adolescent exposure to pornography is a significant predictor of elevated violence and victim humiliation.
In a study of 30 college fraternity members on a small liberal arts campus, the displayed images of women (in posters, screensavers, calendars, pin-ups, and advertisements) were analyzed for their frequency and degrading nature. There was a significant association between the average degradation ratings of the images and the student’s rape-supportive attitude scale (RSA)
In a study of 187 female university students, researchers concluded early exposure to pornography was related to subsequent “rape fantasies” and attitudes supportive of sexual violence against women. Researchers believe pornography consumed at a young age contributes to women being socialized to accept sexual aggression as a sexual/romantic event.
In 2004 data was collected from interviews with 271 women participating in a battered women’s program. Pornography use by their partner significantly increased the odds of women being sexually abused by their abusers. When their abuser used both alcohol and pornography, the odds of sexual abuse increase by a factor of 3.2.
Arrested prostitution clients are twice as likely to report having watched pornographic movies over the past year than a national sample.
Japanese males were divided into three groups and each exposed to different types of home video pornography: a positive rape film (where the female expressed pleasure), a negative rape film (where the female expressed pain), or a consenting sex film. Those who viewed the positive rape film were significantly more likely to state that women could enjoy rape and higher percentages of rape cases are invented by victims.
In a study of 804 Italian adolescents, ages 14 to 19 years old, viewing pornography was correlated to both active and passive sexual violence and unwanted sex.
>>73279909
Well then obviously it's never sure if a woman is wife-material. But one thing is for sure, unless you are Chad, no woman is wife material for you. She will always leave you given the chance to get someone better. The more chaddy you are, the higher your chance.
>>73269037
Is JAV okay? I mean they're not white or Christian so it should be alright if they degrade themselves for my pleasure right?
“Women are represented as passive and as slavishly dependent upon men. The role of female characters is limited to the provision of sexual services to men. To the extent that women’s sexual pleasure is represented at all, it is subordinated to that of men and is never an end in itself as is the sexual pleasure of men. What pleases women is the use of their bodies to satisfy male desires. While the sexual objectification of women is common to all pornography, women are the recipients of even worse treatment in violent pornography, in which women characters are killed, tortured, gang-raped, mutilated, bound, and otherwise abused, as a means of providing sexual stimulation or pleasure to the male characters.” - Helen Longino
Research indicates that 25% to 30% of male college students in the United States and Canada admit that there is some likelihood they would rape a woman if they could get away with it. (Briere and Malamuth, 1983)
In a study of high school males, 50% of those interviewed believed it acceptable “for a guy to hold a girl down and force her to have sexual intercourse in instances such as when ‘she gets him sexually excited’ or ‘she says she’s going to have sex with him and then changes her mind’” (Goodchilds and Zellman, 1984)
“I went to a porno bookstore, put a quarter in a slot, and saw this porn movie. It was just a guy coming up from behind a girl and attacking her and raping her. That’s when I started having rape fantasies. When I saw that movie, it was like somebody lit a fuse from my childhood on up… I just went for it, went out and raped.” Rapist interviewed by Beneke, 1982
The following statements were made by women testifying at the Hearings on Pornography in Minneapolis, Minnesota, in 1993 (Russell, 1993a).
>>73269037
Finally an OP I can agree with. I'm not even Christian.
>>73280265
>The more chaddy you are, the higher your chance
White people problems
>>73280265
Not unless she wants to be ostracized from her Church. The Orthodox Church will only recognize a divorce for a handful of things spouse goes to prison for seven years or more, for instance, is a valid reason), and if it's not recognized, then remarriage (and all marriage must be done in the Church) is considered living in sin, and makes it so you can't have communion.
>>73280300
- Ms. M testified that, “I agree to act out in private a lot of the scenarios that my husband read to me. These depicted bondage and different sexual acts that I found humiliating to do…He read the pornography like a textbook, like a journal. When he finally convinced me to be bound, he read in the magazine how to tie the knots and bind me in a way that I couldn’t escape. Most of the scenes where I had to dress up or go through different fantasies were the exact same scenes that he has read in the magazines.”
- Ms. O described a case in which a man ‘brought pornographic magazines, books, and paraphernalia into the bedroom with him and told her that if she did not perform the sexual acts in the “dirty” books and magazines, he would beat her and kill her’
- Ms. S testified about the experience of a group of women prostitutes who, she said, ‘were forced constantly to enact specific scenes that men had witnessed in pornography…These men… would set up scenarios, usually with more than one woman, to copy scenes that they had seen portrayed in magazines and books. [For example, Ms. S quoted a woman in her group as saying:] “He held up a porn magazine with a picture of a beaten woman and said, ‘I want you to look like that. I want you to hurt.’ He then began beating me. When I did not cry fast enough, he lit a cigarette and held it right above my breast for a long time before he burned me.”
- Ms. S. also described what three men did to a nude woman prostitute whom they had tied up while she was seated on a chair: “They burned her with cigarettes and attached nipple clips to her breasts. They had many S and M magazines with them and showed her many pictures of women appearing to consent, enjoy, and encourage this abuse. She was held for twelve hours while she was continuously raped and beaten.”
>>73280103
This. Best comment on political this week.
These retards won't listen thought
>>73280383
Barely anyone is orthodox in Czech republic. Not many people are even religious to begin with.
>>73280385
- Another example cited by Ms. S: “They (several Johns) forced the women to act simultaneously with the movie. In the movie at this point, a group of men were urinating on a naked woman. All the men in the room were able to perform this task, so they all started urinating on the woman who was now naked.”
Non-violent heterosexual porn often becomes ‘too boring’ and leads (commonly) men to seek out more ‘interesting’ and ‘exciting’ types of pornography: often including abuse and rape. (Zillman and Bryant) (Briere and Malamuth)
Porn and Relationships
[At] a gathering of the nation’s divorce lawyers, attendees revealed that 58% of their divorces were a result of a spouse looking at excessive amounts of pornography online.
According to the Journal of Adolescent Health, prolonged exposure to pornography leads to:
- An exaggerated perception of sexual activity in society
- Diminished trust between intimate couples
- The abandonment of the hope of sexual monogamy
- Belief that promiscuity is the natural state
- Belief that abstinence and sexual inactivity are unhealthy
- Cynicism about love or the need for affection between sexual partners
- Belief that marriage is sexually confining
- Lack of attraction to family and child-raising
According to sociologist Jill Manning, the research indicates pornography consumption is associated with the following six trends, among others:
1. Increased marital distress, and risk of separation and divorce
2. Decreased marital intimacy and sexual satisfaction
3. Infidelity
4. Increased appetite for more graphic types of pornography and sexual activity associated with abusive, illegal or unsafe practices
5. Devaluation of monogamy, marriage and child rearing
6. An increasing number of people struggling with compulsive and addictive sexual behavior
In a survey of women (and some men) who experienced serious adverse consequences from their partner’s cybersex involvement:
- In 68% of the couples, one or both lost interest in relational sex: 52% of showed a decreased interest, as did 34% of partners.
- Partners commonly reported feeling hurt, betrayed, rejected, abandoned, lonely, isolated, humiliated, jealous, and angry.
- Partners often compared themselves unfavorably to online images.
- Partners overwhelmingly felt that cyber affairs were as emotionally painful as offline affairs.
>>73269037
>>73270941
I don't think porn is particularly good but I don't understand why you people always blow it out of proportion. If I was going to put my finger on what keeps men sedated and bluepilled I'd say things like capeshit garbage movies, AAA-type vidya and obesity are the same or even worse, but nobody ever makes threads questioning their validity. Just look at any media-centric board on this site
Porn and Sexual Dysfunction
“I have also seen in my clinical experience that pornography damages the sexual performance of the viewers. Pornography viewers tend to have problems with premature ejaculation and erectile dysfunction. Having spent so much time in unnatural sexual experiences with paper, celluloid and cyberspace, they seem to find it difficult to have sex with a real human being. Pornography is raising their expectation and demand for types and amounts of sexual experiences; at the same time it is reducing their ability to experience sex.” – Dr. MaryAnne Layden
Porn and Addiction
10% of adults admit to having an addiction to online pornography (IFR, 2006).
In a survey of 63 wives of self-identified sex addicts:
- 70% met most criteria for a diagnosis of post-traumatic stress disorder.
- 75% discovered evidence of compulsive or addictive sexual behaviors themselves (as opposed to a planned disclosure on the part of a husband).
- 71% demonstrated a severe level of functional impairment in major areas of their lives.
- Length of marriage at disclosure and number of prior traumatic event exposures were the best predictors increased trauma symptoms.
“[M]odern science allows us to understand that the underlying nature of an addiction to pornography is chemically nearly identical to a heroin addiction.” - Dr. Jeffrey Satinovet
“Pornography triggers a myriad of endogenous, internal, natural drugs that mimic the ‘high’ from a street drug. Addiction to pornography is addiction to what I dub erototoxins—mind altering drugs produced by the viewer’s own brain.” - Dr. Judith Reisman
>>73280453
I'm not sure what your point is.
>>73280804
That being shamed by the church is not a good argument. Because most women don't give a fuck about that.
>>73280497
I think all those things are bad too. If you start a thread on /pol/ about how video games are damaging, you will get positive responses, I guarantee it.
>>73280100
>>73280527
>problems with premature ejaculation
>from watching porn
One of the reasons I think masturbation and porn is great is because it desensitizes my penis so I don't ejaculate prematurely
>>73280841
No, but women in the Church do.
>>73280937
Yeah, sure. I've known some of these "church-girls" they just pretend not to be sluts. Most of them anyways.
And I'm not even religious.
>>73281000
ORTHODOX women who attend church CONSISTENTLY are not sluts, no. They don't just pretend, they aren't.
Why aren't you a Christian?
>>73281169
Well eastern orthodox church is quite rare in my country. Roman catholicism is the most predominant(after atheism/agnosticism obviously). And the women who go to church? Most of them just use it as an excuse to
>god is the only one who can judge me
so they do anything they want, as long as they go to the confession afterwards.
Anyways, I'm not religious because I don't believe in god. Duh.
>>73281367
That's not how it works with Orthodox women,
See this argument I wrote for the existence of God
Argument α
Definitions
'Tohu wa bohu': "nothing" in the sense which precludes matter and spacetime, but not latent energy such as a quantum vacuum.
'Nihil': "nothing" in the sense of no BEING (including, but not limited to, matter, space, time, latent energy or BEING);
'Transfinite': an infinite number, e.g. Hilbert's Hotel.
'Infinite': Absolute Infinite, e.g. "meta-numerical".
'Sempiternity': transfinity applied to spacetime.
'Eternity': infinity applied to spacetime, i.e. "timeless".
Premises
1. If Nihil is true, it is eternal, since it precludes time.
2. The existence of the universe shows nihil is not eternal (since nihil is applied absolutely, and nihil would cease to be applied absolutely where there is matter and spacetime and energy, etc.)
Conclusion: nihil is not true.
Argument β
Premises
1. If tohu wa bohu is eternal, then it would eternally predicate the universe.
2. The universe is not eternal.
Conclusion: either tohu wa bohu does not predicate the universe, or tohu wa bohu is not eternal; either way, something other than nihil has to predicate tohu wa bohu, since nihil is not true.
cont
>>73281791
Objections
1. Nihil is not eternal.
Rebuttal: nihil is timeless by definition, as it precludes time.
2. Nihil is not the predicate, tohu wa bohu is.
Rebuttal: the dilemma of Argument α would still remain.
3. The universe is eternal, we just experience one moment of it at a time (eternalism).
Rebuttal: this model only works with the universe as sempiternal.
4. The universe is sempiternal.
Rebuttal: since space and time are not true distinct continua, but merely conceptional divisions of the one continuum that is spacetime, this inapplicable. If the universe were sempiternal, it would also be include a transfinite expanse of space, which it does not.
5. The universe is cyclical.
Rebuttal: Conformal Cyclic Cosmology (CCC) is the only model which proposes an infinite series of cycles. Penrose and Gurzadyn supported their model by measuring cosmic microwave background (CMB), and published results showing it is consistent with CCC, but all attempts to duplicate their results show CMB to be inconsistent CCC. Therefore, even if the universe is cyclical, has had a finite number of iterations.
6. What if, hypothetically, the universe DID have an infinite number of iterations?
Rebuttal: If you mean infinite in the sense of beyond iteration (just as infinite time can be thought of as timeless), then the problem with is that it is demonstrably untrue, since this continuum of spacetime as a definite beginning (Hawking's argument that there is not a definite beginning to the universe essentially hinges on Zeno's Paradox); the model would have to be an transfinite set of iterations, not "iterationless". Now as for the idea of a transfinite set, outside of pure mathematics (such as infinity as a number set), that isn't an actualization of infinity, rather it is the ongoing process of actualizing infinity (like running down an infinite road forever, it's not an actualization, it's a perpetual process of actualizing).
cont
>>73281829
Argument γ
Definitions
'Protos': the ultimate predicate of the universe.
'Apeiron': absolute infinity applied absolutely, to be beyond spacetime, matter, energy, or anything else, to be absolutely transcendent.
1. Protos is not limited by spacetime, energy, matter, or anything else, since it predicates all those things.
2. That which is not limited by anything is either nihil or apeiron.
3. Protos is not nihil [see Argument α].
Conclusion: protos is apeiron.
Objections
1. Apeiron requires a predicate.
Rebuttal: if apeiron had a predicate, it would ceased to be apeiron. If apeiron is true, by definition, it neither has nor can have a predicate, as it would be without beginning in every way. Furthermore, the predicate of apeiron would have to be more potent than apeiron, which is incoherent. The only conceivable predicate for apeiron is nihil.
Argument δ
Definitions
'Abstraction': something to which the properties covered by physics do not pertain.
'Subject': something perceiving and acting.
'Object': something acted upon.
Premises
1. Apeiron is an abstraction.
2. Nihil is an abstraction.
3. All abstractions are either subjects, objects, or both.
4. Nihil has sufficient potency to act upon apeiron.
5. Nihil is not a subject.
Conclusion: Apeiron is not an object, and therefore can only be a subject, which resolves the dilemma of Argument "α" through the solution of agency. Apeiron as a subject, predicating the universe, fits the definition of "God".
>>73281842
>>73281829
>>73281791
Why should I bother reading this shit? Lots of nothing hidden behind fancy words. Arguing this would be just arguing semantics about what "nothing" means, etc. I don't really care for that.
>>73281964
I define each word specifically, but to give a fundamental part of the argument, if the universe comes from nothing, then the universe would have always existed, since nothing did. The universe did not always exist, and therefore did not come from nothing. If the universe came from something that always existed, but the universe did not always exist, that something has agency. Since that something would not be limited by space, matter, time or energy, it would be truly infinite. An infinite being, beyond the material, with agency, is synonymous with our concept of God.
>>73282103
>I define each word specifically
My point exactly. The definitions you use are arbitrary and defined by you.
>>73270473
when you orgasm your brain releases chemicals. when you abuse porn, you are consistently fucking with your brains chemicals. its easy to see how that can be bad
>>73280054
Literally each and every of that points is an advertisement for more porn.
Just to quote one: "Viewers of the sexually-explicit film displayed more dominance"
Thank you for posting this.
>>73269037
Good job
>>73269037
If I am not supposed to look at porn then why am I bestowed with a sex drive that is disproportionate to the reality of sex?
Has my sexuality been nurtured and deformed by porn? If that's so then why is rape so common in the animal kingdom?
Besides, I was a young boy when google image search was invented. I never stood a chance.
Yes, porn is degenerate but we should forgive ourselves for our humanity. It is the only way to heal.
>>73282254
That...doesn't matter. We could just make the terms Larry, Moe and Curly with those definitions, and the argument would be the same.
>>73282556
No, the only way to heal is to ask God for forgiveness.
>>73282570
It doesn't matter what you call the definitions. That's true. What matters is that they are made up and don't mean anything.
>>73282660
You could say the same about Euclid's Elements
>>73282649
God has put me in this predicament. There were no transgressions and there is nothing to forgive.
>>73269037
Finally
>>73282706
I could. And I would. So what?
It's just a formalism. It could be proven to be wrong any day now. Just like for example naive set theory. It happens.
>>73282660
That is retarded. Definitions are descriptions of the world and are meaningful in their proper context.
>>73282922
Just read his three posts. These definitons couldn't be relevant in any context.
>>73282806
Literally anything can be proven wrong, that's not an argument.
The point of definitions is so you don't have to retype the concept every time you refer to it. None of the distinctions I gave terms for were invented by me, in fact none of the terms were except the contrast between tohu wa bohu and nihil, which is the difference between scientific nothing and philosophical nothing. All the other terms are established already to mean exactly what I say they mean, I just add the definition there to make it easier for you so you don't have to look them up.
>>73283043
The concepts itself don't mean anything to me. I don't accept them.
>>73282993
Ah I see. He is making very large assumptions.
>>73269037
What if you film yourself banging a qt, and fab to it later?
>>73283149
Erm, you don't accept that mathematical infinity is different from real infinity?
>>73283478
And which mathematical infinity would that be?
More fancy words.
>>73270078
this really has nothing to do with religious views
>>73283568
Mathematical infinity means an infinite amount of something, real infinite means beyond application of that something. For instance, if you lived for mathematically infinite time, you would just feel time going on and on and on. If you lived for real infinite time, it would mean time would have no meaning for you, you would be beyond time altogether.
>>73283938
Here are some wikipedia articles explaining the distinction
Mathematical infinity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfinite_number
Real infinity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_Infinite
>>73283938
Who gives a shit? Seriously, I'm not gonna argue with you about this abstract bullshit. I don't care. It's useless.
>>73284017
You are speaking of things you know nothing about as if you know. It's irresponsible.
>>73284154
>>73282103
You really haven't addressed this, regardless
>>73284245
I do know, and the reason I had to actually introduce the distinction in my argument is because very often the two were conflated by those I was arguing with, whereas you can see the distinction is quite important here.
Your criticisms are pretty nebulous.
>>73284586
>You really haven't addressed this, regardless.
I don't really want to. But okay, for the sake of this conversation, let's say I believe what you said. What's the conclusion of what you said?
>>73284586
Fool.
>>73284683
That the existence of the universe depends on something unlimited, and which has agency.
I also wrote a case for the historicity of the Resurrection, if you 'd care to see: http://pastebin.com/9XxNnSU6
>>73284697
What truthful rebuke did you just righteously utter of me, you worthiest of souls? I’ll have you know I failed God to the deepest of the pit in my class of worldly sinners, and I’ve been involved in numerous shameful transgressions on God's forgiveness, and I have over 300 confirmed faults. I am depraved in wicked thoughts and I’m the top coveter in the entire legions of the damned. I am nothing to thee but just another Satan. I will praise you to heaven and back with the most contrite of hearts the likes of which has been seen all too often from the sinner, mark my unworthy lips. You think you can serve away with your words of wisdom to me over the Internet? God bless, brother. As we speak I am contacting my holy communion of saints across heaven and your love is being traced right now so you better prepare for the Theosis, militant. The mercy that sustains the shining little thing you call your soul. You’re God's gift, kid. I can be all things at all times to all men, and I can bow to you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just while kissing your hand. Not only am I extensively corrupted by unnameable vileness, but I have betrayed to the entire covenant of the Orthodox Body of Christ, and I will plead her to her full benevolence to sanctify your virtuous spirit off the face of the lie, you little star. If only you could have known what holy gratitude your little “meek” correction was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have blessed your benign tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re reaping the harvest, you God fearing joy. I will weep thanks all over you and you will drown in it. You've found life, kiddo.
>>73284841
>That the existence of the universe depends on something unlimited, and which has agency.
And that should matter to me why?
>>73284841
Haha at least you are being entertaining now. A good fool.
>>73284974
Because that qualifies as God.
>>73284986
>He whose will and desire in conversation is to establish his own opinion, even though what he says is true, should recognize that he is sick with the devil’s disease. And if he behaves like this only in conversation with his equals, then perhaps the rebuke of his superiors may heal him. But if he acts in this way even with those who are greater and wiser than he, then his malady is humanly incurable.
Saint John of the Ladder
>>73285019
And I should care about that why? How does that change my life? Let's say there is god, there has been god that didn't believe in all my life. If I start believing now what does that change? If it hasn't manifested itself up until now to make me start believing then it's not worth caring about.
>>73275264
urine is a natural aphrodisiac (legacy of from animal kingdom / territory marking / pheromones)
Well this doesnt matter since humans can't pick up pheromones anymore, The Jacobson organ that picks them up isnt connected to the brain.
>>73285185
God wants you to be able to choose to believe in him. He wants it to be a choice. There is easily enough evidence there to believe, but also it is a great enough concept that it is easy to reject the evidence. It balances it perfectly enough to make belief a choice.
What would it change? God is what sustains you, his love is the fuel of your very existence. If you learn to love him, it changes everything.
>>73285107
I am glad you are honest about your faults.
Regardless, religious language and mania is not knowledge. You are telling about things on which it is wiser to remain silent. By doing so, you have rendered an argument full of assumptions and imagination, but cleverly you have obfuscated your argument in complexity.
Good show overall but I will not deal evenhandedly with a snake in the grass.
>>73285420
>What would it change? God is what sustains you, his love is the fuel of your very existence. If you learn to love him, it changes everything.
I exist even without believing. That kind of disproves it.
