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>Interviews with Assad
1) https://youtu.be/m-q9_Dsb2OE
2) http://youtu.be/wELCDCPsw6M

>Southfront –Syria Military review: 4 May
https://youtu.be/Y7o0TKs7Al0
>The White Helmets Myth
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>Aleppo city (May 3)
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>N Aleppo (April 27)
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>Hit (April 26)
https://i.imgur.com/fw0g28G.jpg
>Qayartayn (April 23)
https://i.imgur.com/Lm2QXLm.jpg
>Qamishli (April 22)
https://i.imgur.com/7Ij2WZS.jpg

DEVELOPMENTS 04 May
>US Prison camp in Iraq accidentally formed ISIS
>US, Russia agree to include Aleppo in Syrian ceasefire deal – US State Dept
>Syrian Army gains ground in the battle for western Aleppo
>ISIS enraged as prisoners escape Tabqa Prison deep inside Raqqa province
>Syrian Army deploys Tiger General to retake Al-Sha’ar oil fields captured by Isis
>Tensions rise in Daraa city as rebels threaten to shell government-held districts
>SAA to storm rebel stronghold in Eastern Ghouta
>Tiger Forces prepare for counter-offensive against ISIS in northeast Homs
>Yarmouk Camp battle heats up between ISIS, Nusra
>Over 70 Jihadists killed in failed west Aleppo offensive By Leith Fadel - 04/05/2016 1
>ISIS executes Iraqis for refusing to join terror group
>IDF bombards the Gaza Strip
>Britain funds the propaganda war against Assad and Isis
>Abu hajar did nothing wrong
>Pentagon - US serviceman killed in Iraq was Navy SEAL
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So are any of the people who frequent this thread actually militants or political activists, or do you all just hide in your homes gathering and compiling scraps of information?
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>>73175495
Wow how did i miss thatt?
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>>73175530
We are all armchair activists just like the Trump fans, we kill our enemies through meme magic.
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>>73175444
First for fuck europe
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>>73175847
Why you didn't create new thread?
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>>73175930
I just came
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>>73175972
We didn't need to hear that.
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/ Sg need help, where to spend holidays?
>thailand
>Canary Islands
>goa
>Sri Lanka
>Dominican
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>>73176565
Alaska.
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new Ottoman Empire in 3..2..
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>>73176565
Depends what you want to do. I'd go to Sri Lanka or Doms.
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https://youtu.be/5heECAdUue4
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>>73175495

Is there confirmation these moderate beheaders got vaporized?
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>>73176565
Canary Islands are nice desu, but it is a normal tourist destination, I like more exotic places.
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>>73176794
I like a relaxing stay with beach mulattos and alcohol.
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>>73176914
You need to go to Vietnam then.
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Good morning /sg/

Reminder to ignore the Turks!
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>>73176914
Why not Turkey though?
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>>73176914
Why not Krim?
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>>73176565
A friend of mine used to live in Tenerife, she always says it was the most beautiful place. So the canary islands
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>>73175495

Aah yes, i remember, 4th of April 2016, the day /pol/ called in a russian airstrike
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>>73177039
It's forbidden to travel there.
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>>73177039
I rested earlier in Greece, Turkey and Thailand ... but this time, the first two are rejected for obvious reasons ... maybe Thailand, but it is also a bit fed up.
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>Syrian Army defeats ISIS at Al-Sinaa in Deir Ezzor: 29 terrorists killed

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-defeats-isis-al-sinaa-deir-ezzor/

Feels good, love reading of Isis getting btfo by general Z
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>>73177111
because my grandmother and relatives live there , I can at any time to get there.
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>>73177039
we need to kill you
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>>73177543
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on PKK, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire Turkish armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across theUSAand your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Turkish army navy Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
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/sg/, do you think watching Lain is good idea?
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>>73177761
>turk kid noise
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New thread, alriight. sup guys.

Today is Martyr's day in Syria
@leithfadel is posting some photos of war martyrs to remember

>>73177275
Great news
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How many turkmen died?
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What's the new memebase?
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>>73176565
Canary Islands so you can post here and let us get that rare flag.
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>Syrian Army replaces NDF in Qamishli Syria

http://mideast.liveuamap.com/en/2016/6-may-syrian-army-replaces-ndf-in-qamishli-syria--
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>>73179465
read it too.

I guess NDF was more prone to chimpouts and also less respected by the Kurds

so this is good, though I hope it doesnt cost too much manpower
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>>73179669
>kurd diaspora

Come now everyone knows who was chimping out
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>>73175444
ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine ukraine !
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JaF BTFO SAA mercenaries in South Halab
what a great day
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LOL SAA GETS BTFO EVERYWHERE
I SEE ON TWITTER LMAO
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>>73180560
Did I trigger you my Kurdish friend ? :)
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>>73180668
Okey new fag, now close tab
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>>73179945
Probably both sides to a degree

But the post I replied to wasnt about Kurds, it was about NDF -> SAA
so thats why I only talked about NDF. should be obvious.
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lel shiites gets owned
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Greater Syria maymay incoming.
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Another livemap launched
http://www.agathocledesyracuse.com/

Those of you who are actually following this war will recognize the name from the Twitter account. its the same guy.

Lets see how well it will be updated, but it might be worth adding to OP sometime
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>>73176639
>We will see /tg/ in 2016
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Rebels have violated the ceasefire! I repeat rebels ha e violated the ceasefire! Barrel bombs when? Aleppo offensive when? Destroyed bakeries when? Megumin when?

>now

>Jihadist rebels capture Khan Touman, Al-Khalidiyah in southern Aleppo

>https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/jihadist-rebels-capture-khan-touman-tank-hill-southern-aleppo/
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>>73181864
If we dont will you post your Timestamp ass?
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>>73181947
You're retarded if you think Rebels violated the ceasfire first
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>>73182019
No one here is as dumb as you.
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>>73177039
You will get your share of Russian tourists soon :^)
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Newest map of East ghouta in Damascus.

>https://i.imgur.com/HF84liC.jpg
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>>73182019
dat's gay
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>>73182420
Okey make your choice
Russian special forces or
Turkish special forces
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>>73180442
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>>73182687
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Syrian girls are so fucking hot. I don';t know what my chances of fucking them as a blonde hair blue eyed american are though
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>>73182767
*cringes*
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>>73182687
>implying it's even a decision

Cлaвa Poccия!
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>>73182509
Are these two from the Republican guard corps women division?
>>73182542
That's a big gun.
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>>73181947
These groups weren't part of the ceasefire tho
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>Russia's Patriarch called Kremlin's military operation in Syria a holy war

http://mideast.liveuamap.com/en/2016/6-may-russias-patriarch-called-kremlins-military-operation
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>Britain funds the propaganda war against Assad and Isis
any links?
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>>73183136
Aren't you lithuanian?
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>>73182687
spetsnaz vs literally who?
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>>73182991
According to some of the Twitter accounts that reported this, some of the moderate groups did engage in this conflict alongside al-nusra. If this is true, then the "moderate" opposition groups violated the ceasefire.
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>>73183136
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/03/how-britain-funds-the-propaganda-war-against-isis-in-syria
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>>73183472
but north hans thats not a reaction face thats your gf giving you a tug job
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>>73183258
I am.
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>>73183472
dats a benis :DD

>>73183579
backstabber go away. Jordanians are literally the Bulgaria of the Levant.
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>>73183281
Jöh vs literally who?
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>>73183472
lel faggot
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>>73183708
one more peep out of you and ill push the fence 10 more km into dimashq
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Any Habbenings?
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>>73183373
Well technically Assad broke it day one when he kept bombing rebel territory.

Lines are too fuzzy to definitely say who broke it first, but they both certainly broke it at some point
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>>73183766
Get out small dick turk

>>73183579
Nothing wrong with T-that right anon-kun?
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Also for the next OP:
Heres yesterday evening's East Ghouta map
https://i.imgur.com/HF84liC.jpg
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So the American embassy over here is revoking all visas given to people.
and if you already have your visa they will cancel it and make you do the interview and everything else again.
Also the chances of an Arab getting it are close to zero while Kurds and yazidis have a much higher chance.
Thoughts?
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>>73183790
kiss my asshole man. serbs have more dignity than you guys.
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More US marines arrive in Yemen after 100 already arrived on wednesday on the pretext of "fighting ISIS"
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>>73182083
lmao. why exactly? Because youre a big fan of these lovely friends of Al Qaeda who definitely never did anything wrong.
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>>73183814
Refugee camp got hit yesterday, allegedly an airstrike but none of the videos or photos show a jet and you can't hear one in them either, not to mention the explosion is singular and rather small for a bomb.
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>>73184022
well duh serbs are good people
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>>73184234
shut up Bulgaria. Serbs and Croats r best Balkans,
Like Syrians and Lebanese in the Levant
you guys are literally the shit tier levantine cuckold society.
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>>73184165
Hmm
So, homemade bomb made by a frustrated citizen?
Or is it a false flag incident?
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>>73184402
>>73184234
When will you learn arabs?.You Are Slave of Turkey
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>>73184402
>you guys are literally the shit tier levantine cuckold society.
you cant get cucked if you only marry your cousins
thats a fact
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>>73184541
>>73184575
pffft. enjoy your puppet government to Jizzrael my good goyim friends
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>>73184501
So fuck knows what. Russia is deflecting with Nusrats, and if pushed hard enough they'll probably ask for a Russian-USA investigation to identify shrapnel or whatnot. It's going to be fun.
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Fuck yall gringos
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>>73184685
>enjoy your puppet governmen
i will thank you
might as well learn hebrew while im at it
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>>73184779
Yeah
I hope it will because for now /sg/ is more or less shitposting general not syria general because there isn't much to talk about
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FUCK WHITE PPL
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>>73184973
yup sure thing
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>>73185156
wew lad that's pretty edgy
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Sayyed Nasrallah is giving a speech right now

Some translated excerpts here for those interested:
https://twitter.com/ResistanceER
http://english.almanar.com.lb/moredev.php?brkid=11824

>inb4 I get v&
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>>73185156
He says, on the internet, invented by white people, on a computer, invented by white people, using a white person`s language.
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>>73183738
Johj?
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>>73185261
you get banned for supporting hezb??
In here they will deport your ass after they beat your ass.
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>>73185389
ööö you cant pronounce this my chick friend ;)
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>>73182687
>Arab tier military
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>>73183009
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ixltimlD9UM
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>>73185640
P
R
O
O
F
S
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>>73183738
>jöh
That's like the Sound when someone is vomiting
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>>73185751
Fuck russia fuck christians we fucked christians
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>>73185420
mostly joking, nothing would happen.. but Netherlands supported designating Hezbollah a terrorist organisation

Most dutch people know nothing about Hezbollah and think it is the same as Al Qaeda etc
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>>73186095
why the west is too much uneducated? i thought being a victim will force you to know about criminal.
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>>73185915
Lmao still butthurt
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>>73186328
see :DD
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>>73185788
L
O
W

B
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E
R
Y
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>>73186396
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Russo-Turkish_wars
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>>73185915
and these guys are considered as europeans by al-mürküli

go back to mongolia, fucktard
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>>73186554
>greek cucked by turkics
>mongol
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I've been out of the loop for a few months.
What crazy shenanigans did Jihadi Julian pull?
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>>73186554
(you)
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>>73183982
That's just natural, given than Arabs are more likely to be members of ISIS. Its another small patch for the snowball of stupid things made by USA that destroyed the middle east.
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>>73186723
yes, you are the one who goes back, exactly
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New Southfront
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr-8qij1a38
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>>73175444
>full metal alchemist

Good taste.
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>>73178107
>/sg/, do you think watching Lain is good idea?
Currently watching it.

It's prophetic.
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>>73178107
No, Anime is degenerate.
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Is there any happenings?
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>>73189551
latin?
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>>73189551
Me behind the curtain
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>>73189551
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Anoyone has combat videos from yesterday / today?
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>>73175495

I was unaware of this. Fuck yes.
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>>73189551
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>>73189192

What is that semen demon?
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>>73191666
pw 12
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https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%23khan_tuman&src=typd

yikes
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>>73191960
What a great day
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r8 me
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guys, somebody is watching this?
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>>73192453
proof
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqE-FXzx3Lo
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>>73192453
Boring. Always winning Russian.
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>>73192453
''battle''

But no Turkey?
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>>73192625
That's actually not surprising at all.
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>>73192625
>>73192600
it is a pity there is no Turks and Chinese.
http://webm.land/media/D4eA.webm
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>>73192453
easy we will win this again ;)
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>>73193090
1 rus
2 rus 2
3 rus 3
4 ukr
5 belrus
6 pol
http://webm.land/media/Q1k8.webm
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>>73192713
Explain,polish explain

How many years we ruled you

HOW MANY ? 500?
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0 turkroach ?
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>>73191235
How many piles?
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>>73193456

0
+
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna
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>>73193357
when someone is out? when he surrender or drop on the ground?
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>>73182608
Considering the urban environment, the SAA is making very good progress in Damascus, if the Damascus front comes to an end it will free up something close to 40,000 troops currently active there that will change the balance of battle on any of the other active fronts.
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>>73192453
I might catch it later today
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>>73194059
>viena
>literally 10vs 1
>uh durr victor
Ahhahhaah imagine what would be if we conquer vienna

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusade_of_Varna

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish–Ottoman_War_(1672–76)
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>>73193456
Better watch out next time turkroach. Sobieski burried you with pigs and we'll do the same now.
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>>73175530
Well I am looking for ways to get involved. But in the mean time i am a armchair general.
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If this ends well, could we possibly deport all the refugees?
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>>73186404
Just a mobility kill, glorious T155 is fine.
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>>73194287
Turkey is so fucking irrelevant the only thing you can counter with is a failed past with cherry picked battles.

kek
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>>73194204
when the knee hits the ground or dropped, there no one will surrender.
http://webm.land/media/8Ms0.webm
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What's this guy's name again?
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>>73194503
no, they could still claim its dangerous there, just like iraqi and afghani refugees
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>>73176565
Thailand for that beautifull boipussy. I d say canari Islands or the Dutch colonies such as Sint maarten.
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>>73194643
Kemal "Cringes" Büttfück
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>>73194643
HAHAHAHHAAHA KEK?
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>>73194287
Lel buttblasted
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>>73194809
Reminder
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my fucking cuck of a freind thinks syrains shouldnt fight for their country. he has no sense of preserving culture he's a globalist bitch
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>>73178555
>Canary Islands so you can post here and let us get that rare flag


Am I a rare flag now?
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>>73175495
That is awesome.
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>>73194643
Ottoman never

Instagram account:
https://www.instagram.com/onur.balkar/

twitter account:
https://twitter.com/Bozkagan

Tumblr:
http://balkarhanedani.tumblr.com/
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>>73175495
>>73175718
>>73176877
>>73190240
>>73195391
stop hyping this

the airstrike probably never happened

(it was inspired by one that did, though, but /sg/ had nothing to do with that one)
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>>73195795
lel :DD
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>>73196239
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>>73196239
A-are you literally a white Turk? How does that work?
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>>73196533
I think it's supposed to be a mongol.
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>>73196533
Turks are white.
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>>73196533
During the middle ages the Ottoman empire had a huge slave trade in whites. He is a White-Ottoman slave rape baby.
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>>73196639
lookie here
>>73195795
>>73194643
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>>73196525
The ultimate equalizer is this. And I know it will be hard to accept for most of you:

Turkey, Turks, and all related things, have butthurt your race SO much, that you literally have banded with OTHER butthurt diaspora and minor nations around the world, and your life revolves around the fact that this ridiculously inflamed butthurt, has united you all.

I mean look at you all. A dozen assblasted fools trying to prove how Turks are this, and Turks are that, DAY AND NIGHT

It's SO fucking beautifully pleasing, that we have made your psyche. You exist, solely to be butthurt on /pol/ against us.

I now understand why Jews see themselves superior. In your vapid and futile quest for hating Turks, you have elevated them to the position of being above you.

Because you seethe against them, while they are indifferent towards you.

This, is the ultimate, sad truth, for each and every Turk-hater on /sg/.
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snackbars blow up a truck full of ammo — BIG EXPLOSION
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFZC0KOrKKg&index=1&list=LLON30DcF-I-koyiR2_KK6dg
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>>73182892
For you
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>>73182687
Turks are shit I hear
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>>73196774
Yes, we only come here to discuss with Turks, of course, everything revolves around turkroaches. Its not that turks come here to shitpost and we tell them to fuck off, no, no of course not. In fact we don't care about Syria, we only come here to talk with you turks because we are so butthurt. You are a genius.
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>>73194503
Well most of the refugees arent even from conflict nations
They are international gibs me thatsm they even flee from refugee camps for the neetbucks in Sweden.

But when the war ends ut will be politarry correct to kick them out yes
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>>73194503
4U
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>>73182687
would go with the turkish special forces
they are cooler than the slavsquat slavshits slavifying crimea
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>>73198219
Somalia missing from the list.
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>>73196794
I am always surprised how the government troops walk around like there is no war. Or sometimes just chilling on the balcony with no cover.

After like 2 or 3 years of war they should know the range of the TOW and that it can always appear out of nowhere. Why are they so stupid?
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>>73198540
They have no control over Allah's will. Therefore it's no use to hide in cover from the life.
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>Tow ricochet on an old soviet T55

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1f8_1462556691
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>>73198219
>Kosovo
>Albania
every time....
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*cringes*
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>>73195875
and neither had /sg/ anything to do with this one
he had the coordinates given to him via twitter hours before /sg/ figured them out
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>>73198503
got source?
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>>73198219
Oeople from Lebanon, turkey, Jodan and Egypt claming to be Syrian
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>>73195875
>>73198870
That pic was made to troll newfags, newfags
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>>73198888
of courshe they do.
It's their only card to EU
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>>73198879
Only Finnish sources. Here somalis are the second largest group after russians.
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>>73199057
no it wasnt
i was there when it happened
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>>73195390
R A R E
A A A A
R A R E
E A R E
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>>73199410

What are (You) seeking?
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>>73176639
>not his personal agenda
so it's his personal agenda
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>>73199356
change your flag to america's and I will get Bingo.
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>>73199148
Yeah duh. Doesnt mean that we shoukd just let us get fucked over like that.
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>>73199309
The post with Ivan's tweet in the pic is mine. The guy who made the pic deliberately cut off the timestamp on the tweet because Ivan tweeted it actually 4 hours before /sg/ started searching the location.

It was literally only made to troll newfags
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>>73192453
we always lose in the first round :(
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>>73195390
Which flag are you?>>73199356
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>>73199591
Ask merkel.
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>>73199464
Why are you britproxying?
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>>73199011

What's a Kurd? No such thing.
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GREATER ISRAEL!!!!
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>>73200162
I'm in britain at the moment.
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>>73200315
fUCK OFF
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>>73200324
Welcome to the UK, what do you think of it?
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Explain pls
https://www.neweurope.eu/article/missing-us-citizen-found-dead-kazakhstan/
> rip my friend
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>>73200768
What's there to explain? Dangerous lands for a yank.
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>>73182687
>73182687
>>73182687

contractor anon here,

Turkish special forces literally looks like a militia.

>middle right is overweight
>left has eyepro case attached to chest rig
>no one has their pants on correctly some are even sagging

I might only have been a ranger, but, in all the SF games turks usually do not come into the top 1-5. They always lacked coordination and were known for using "dirty tactics" to try to win.

The admiral thing about the turks though, is that they have a sense of national identity. Many arab armies I've fought with have no idea about a "national bond" or role. Which kills them.

The only down side is turks take it way too far, which clouds their ability to take critical judgements, this will be their downfall if they ever go into a full scale war.
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>>73201079
REE I FUCKING LIVED THERE WITH HIM.
HE ALWAYS TOOK A CAR AND RARELY LEFT SECURE AREAS

I HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING THAT MY FRIEND SLIPPED OFF A BRIDGE INTO A RIVER
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>>73201230
lel
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Where is faggot minnesota-tan
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>>73201230
those guys are genderamie if i am not mistaken, army is a lot more disciplined
their officers get the same training as normal army, but the training of the professional soldiers in genderamie units is more lax
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>>73200563
I lived for some time in here before. Everything changed. Fucking cranes everywhere. Fucking skips block roads everywhere, terrible. Nice weather btw.
I'm here just for short time. Work.
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>>73200034
Pleaste Britbro. When you have the change.please vote to leave the EU.

As fir Merkel. We live next to her and we to will be lost in the multiculti shotstorm.
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>>73181864
>you will fight for based Erdogan under the ottoman sultanate
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>>73203562
>tfw turkey will get some greek islands in your lifetime
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5OY0M2PPiE
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>>73203695
>tfw you will fuck greek boipucci in your lifetime
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>>73203799
Soon
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>>73175530
I have no actual stake in the war, I'm just watching to see what happens, but I do root for assad and the kurds
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>>73178489
not enough
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