So...
Do any of you have any objective proof that illegals are bad for the U.S. economy?
>>73151665
They don't pay taxes and use all the stuffs
I'm here illegally. Suck it /pol/. This is are land!
>>73151930
They pay taxes on shit they buy. Actually billions a year. Is this your rationale dude?
>>73151665
Yes. Illegals can't have bank accounts which creates a scenario where millions of people can live without the jew bankers getting their cut.
>>73151665
Not relevant whether they are or not
>>73151665
This illegal named Ray (short for raymundo) used to hang around my apartment complex offering to wash people's cars for money, but hed stick rocks in his sponges and just scratch your shit up.
>>73151665
No, and I don't give a shit about the economic ramifications at this point. The point is, they're dirty law breaking (being here illegally makes them all scumbag criminals by default) assholes who need to be kicked out and if they try to force their way back, shot.
>>73151981
We can always go to war again
illegal mexicans are BAD
legal mexicans are OK
>>73151665
Their effect on the economy is irrelevant. They are non-whites and don't belong in our countries.
>>73152039
its sales tax they pay. its not some noble thing that they pay the only tax they can't evade.
>>73152186
The US is NOT a white country, never has been
>>73152135
Lol why would he do that?
>>73152186
>>73152141
>>73152135
>this is a logical argument and certainly not rooted in emotion, like you guys accuse SJW's of doing.
Wat.
>>73151665
http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-california-taxpayers
>3 million illegal immigrants
>The annual expenditure of state and local tax dollars on services for that population is $25.3 billion
And that is just California.
>>73152186
America is hardly 62% white. Your point?
>>73152264
So in 1800 when the only voting citizens were white land owning males, it wasnt a white country?
makes sense famalam
>>73152201
So why not give the ones who have been working citizenship if they then start paying taxes? Why round them all up and deport them?
>>73152264
>tripfagging as a shill
You can't make this shit up. If Hillary's campaign is this incompetent she will never make it to the White House.
They drive without licenses or car insurance and when they cause an accident your insurance ends up paying for it.
Illegals need killed and i cant wait for the day of rope because i'm going to remove burrito from my neighborhood with extreme prejudice
>>73151665
>llegal immigration costs U.S. taxpayers about $113 billion a year at the federal, state and local level.
>Most illegal aliens do not pay income taxes. Among those who do, much of the revenues collected are refunded to the illegal aliens when they file tax returns. Many are also claiming tax credits resulting in payments from the U.S. Treasury.
http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers
>>73152283
Hed pocket the money and take off, then come around a different time and get someone else. He sold my wife's son some oregano once too.>>73152289
>>73152348
Then you'd have to throw them into the bin for all those years of not paying taxes.
They have already committed a prison worthy crime.
>>73152348
so i guess it would be alright if i paid insurance long enough for my stolen car that i should just be granted the title.
thats what youre arguing for
hey, if i break into your house and sleep in a closet long enough, why not just add me to the lease?
>>73152336
This a country created and ran by immigrants.
Go back to stormfront
>>73151665
THEY ARE BRINGING DRUGS
>>73152506
Where did Ben Franklin immigrate from?
>>73152336
*and jews
>>73152348
Why not let murders out of prison if they promise not to do it again?
Laws have consequences.
>>73151665
I honestly don't give a shit. We shouldn't import third-world values.
Having said that, most immigrants I've met, legal and illegal, were absolutely appalling employees. Even the techy ones brought in for their "technical prowess".
>>73151665
yes, standards of living plummeted in my country ever since immigration started being a widespread thing
Everything you need to start on taking the mexican immigration redpill, right here in one handy dandy image. Have fun cucks.
>>73152264
>>73152289
>>73152318
>The original United States Naturalization Law of March 26, 1790 (1 Stat. 103) provided the first rules to be followed by the United States in the granting of national citizenship. This law limited naturalization to immigrants who were free white persons of good character. It thus excluded American Indians, indentured servants, slaves, free blacks, and Asians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790
The U.S. was founded as a white ethnostate, but kike infiltration of our institutions has caused us to drift away from the original vision of our founders. We have to bring America back to its roots and deport all non-whites.
>>73152481
Keep in mind I'm just playing devils advocate right now. But "they aren't muh white" isn't an acceptable answer to me.
Illegals siphon something like tens of billions of dollars each year and send it to Mexico. Imagine what private citizens could invest in with that money. We're too broke to just be giving away billions of dollars
>>73152348
Fucking leafposters
>>73152735
Not to mention the billions the illegals send back to Mexico for their families. What a waste of money
>>73152719
Do you have any stats on this? I'm just playing devils advocate right now? I'm in agreement with you but need more information.
>>73152635
But the immigrants could end up benefiting the economy. Murder benefits no one.
>>73152878
murder benefits me if im paid to murder.
murder benefits me if the guy murdered is preventing me from doing something i want to do
murder benefits me if the victim is canadian
>>73152348
Because that sends a bad message. You either come to a foreign country legally or you don't come at all.
>>73152740
Stupid picture. Washington loved the Irish because they fought afainst the british
>>73152740
Well the people are already here. I guess you should travel back in time and stop them from coming in. You can't do that now. Again, the concept of an ethno state is rooted in emotional and not logic as it ignores individual contribution an makes brash generalizations. I guess you think we should stone adulterers to? I mean that was a law for a while, and it was pretty effective to.
>>73152878
>But the immigrants could end up benefiting the economy
By taking jobs from Americans? Get fucked buddy
>>73153003
Benefits the society as a whole*
>>73152878
>Murder benefits no one
What if it's Trudeau the one who's being murdered?
All of Canada benefits.
>>73153071
Jobs that Americans don't want to do..
>>73151665
a harvard economist estimated a loss of half a trillion a year due to ALL IMMIGRANTS, not just illegals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f94YPWgvm5M
>>73151665
How about two hundred pages of it ya cuck!!!!
>>73151665
No but they look ugly and thats enough for me
>>73152506
*settlers
>>73153177
>Ann Coulter
Nice
>11 million undocumented people
>that figure is like 10 years old, and the number is probably closer to 30 or 40 million by now
>the population of an above average European country running around pumping out 20 kids and using up valuable resources while contributing nothing in return to the economy
What could go wrong?
>>73153136
move the goalposts much?
>>73153055
>Well the people are already here.
Well that's why we will need ovens.
>>73153323
Sure bud
>>73153166
I work for a construction firm. You think it's fun competing with companies who use illegals when they're paying $5 an hour? Do you even understand the issue with trying to bid against that?
>>73153362
Build [northern] wall.
>>73153166
>Jobs that Americans don't want to do
Bullshit. I know a retarded guy who mows lawns for a living because hes retarded and cant even get a license to drive a car.
The place i work at hired a fat as fuck lazy piece of shit mexican that i don't even see how he could be legal citizen. He dont work and everyone else hs to pick up his slack.
fuck mexicans they are WORTHLESS their culture is shit and we are going to start cleansing them.
>>73151665
econ 101
price = demand/supply
that is also true of labor (especially when the extra labor is cheaper than the rest)
/thread
>>73153419
anyone can do construction.
>>73153347
SJW tier argument.
>>73153419
Sorry, I mean is there any argument against giving them citizenship?
>>73153425
I'll help if I can move in with you guys
>>73153479
Anyone can do law work, yet they only hire certain people
>>73153479
Pretty much. Not everyone can do it legally though
>>73152348
Because they're dirt poor and will draw more out of the system than they put in.
>>73153583
lawyers will be automated within 10years,
>>73151665
They're not. They have a mildly positive impact on government's budget and they do decrease price levels.
However, their economic impact is only part of the picture. Their negative social impact is more than enough to compensate for that mild positive economic impact.
>>73153055
Sure buddy whatever you say
>>73153166
There are only so many jobs available. A lot of kids going to college end up settling for a useless degree and working in the service industry anyway.
>>73152039
We don't pay sales tax in my state. Now what? You gonna fuck off from US politics now Canada? Every fucking time I see some stupid bullshit, it's Canada. Just fuck off.
>>73151665
yes, my illegal aunts come here for a few months every year to live with government paid migrant housing. yea i mean thats not that bad, but you see, they dont work. They dont go to school. They dont do ANYTHING! and here is spic me working and college
>>73151665
im going to flood your house with homeless people that i expect you to take care of
dont worry though only some will actively commit crimes against you whilst living in your house
>>73153550
Mostly just think it's a bad idea to reward people for breaking the law
>>73153550
They've literally already committed a crime by entering and residing in the country illegally. Why the fuck would you want a criminal to remain if you found out about them? There's bound to be countless others waiting to do the process the right way instead of being a fucking cheat, they deserve citizenship far more than any border hopper does.
>>73153698
I'm an american living in Canada cuck. I don't even disagree with you all I just wanted to hear the rationale for why you think this and wanted to play devils advocate god.
>>73153661
but if the jobs were filled with actual americans, would it be more positive(yes)
i think that is an important comparison
10 million illeagal in LA alone.
>not paying taxes
>driving down wages
>being taken advantage of by shitty people
If I have a party, I generally like it if all attending are invited and pitching in. It's not as simple as that but basically that's it in a nut shell
>>73153661
Such as?
>>73153483
That's what a white nationalist is, a racial warrior but for white people. We must kill non-whites before they are numerous enough to kill us.
>>73153802
I remember they had to bring people in from Mexico during the 50's
>>73153695
There are no more jobs
>>73153698
Just fuck off of politics. You live in the most powerful richest nation. You dont need to worry about politics and it doesnt concern you
>>73152752
>But "they aren't muh white" isn't an acceptable answer to me.
Good thing that isn't what he fucking said, then.
>>73153858
So basically, white nationalist don't exercise higher brain function in the same way SJW's dont and work off of tribal instinct?
thx
>>73153838
>getting fucking shitfaced and killing your daughter with a ford fiesta
the list goes on
>>73152481
Sure totally
>>73154015
Talking about other people in da thread.
Again I agree with you guys, I'm American but my anti trump friends are saying how they benefit the economy and deserve to stay since their already here and its not worth the hassle to kick them out.
Also multiculturalism is good!
I voted for Trump dw. I'm not even white, I'm ashkenazi
>know a girl from Germany who applied for US citizenship legally 5 years ago and her application still isn't done being processed
Meanwhile
>Mexispics cross the border illegally and get free shit handed to them
You literally aren't American if you support this scum.
>>73151665
They take jobs from our niggers, how could you be so cruel to deny a black man the right to legally buy things canada
>>73154057
Tribal instinct is necessary for survival. If you fail to defend the lands of your tribe, you will go extinct. I am unapologetically tribal, and soon most whites will be the same.
There are finite resources in a country. The more people in a country, the more people to split up those resources. People get confused because more people also means more people to extract those resources. A country with more people will produce more products, but each person will receive less.
>>73153802
Maybe
>>73153842
Do I really have to spell it out to you?
Diversity, unlike you were force fed by your incompetent high school teacher who barely has a bachelors degree in whatever their teaching, is not a strength. In fact, it being a net positive is an exception rather than a rule.
Illegal immigrants from Mexico and Central America come from a completely different culture than Anglo America. This leads to decrease social trust and social fragmentation. You can see it around the US with how segregated the cities are. It leads to ethnic block voting as well, which undermines democracy, since different ethnic groups have different priorities and want different things: it has a negative impact on cooperation, especially at the state and federal level.
This is unlikely to go away, as these people are Mestizos thus it will be difficult for many of them to be accepted by Anglo society.
That social trust can also boil over into violence, especially when the two ethinc groups have a history of it.
>>73154190
Tell them >>73153792 then. Since they're faggots that are probably for some warped versions of fairness and equality, ask them how its fair for illegals to be rewarded for committing a crime before people who go through the proper channels
>>73153041
Its meant to be stupid. It's from Bioshock Infinite
>>73154357
Nation and tribe are not equivalent. A nation is governed by written laws rather than mere custom, for one thing.
>>73154357
But I'm ashkenazi and love my country and want to work hard. Fuck you and fuck your ideology.
>>73151981
I'm trying not to grammar nazi out
>>73153453
>labor
>>73153453
>>73153453
>>73153453
>>73153453
>>73153453
>value of human labor in amercica continues to plummet
>the jews win again
>>73153797
My apologies for jumping to conclusions there
>>73154656
>>73154666
I'm mostly looking for statistics or examples of the cultural or economic impacts affecting us negatively.
>>73152635
the two aren't near the same faggot. if Mexicans became citizens that means more cash for the US. and they do shit jobs no one wants anyways
>>73151665
Aside from them stealing millions of American jobs, according to the World Bank, they also send home roughly $120b a year back to Mexico. Guess who has to pay for that? American tax payers. What would happen if Americans were working those jobs and paid their taxes? That money belongs in our communities, not in Mexico.
Furthermore, according to the World Health Organization, illegals receive roughly $14,000 more in government benefits than they pay in sales taxes. Our government says there are only 12 million, but those are really just the numbers they know for sure. So, times $14,000 by about 35 million, and you'll see how much they're receiving in government benefits more than they're paying taxes.
How about hospitals, where illegals with no health care receive free treatment? And people wonder things like Saline cost around $100 per page.
Anyways, you add these things up and you get trillions of dollars that American taxpayers have to cover. Once they register as citizens, the free ride is over.
>>73154809
cmon, how the fuck does the country get more money by importing poor people who by definition dont have any?
>>73151665
why give them benefit of the doubt?
they should prove they're useful, not the other way around. its not their place to make demands
>>73151665
They take jobs without paying income taxes. Otherwise, the employer would have to hire a tax paying citizen for that job.
>>73154961
Well, what if you gave them citizenship?
>>73151665
What are you idiots doing? No one posted this yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u1J6EEhkyM
>>73151665
The average unlawful immigrant household has a net deficit (benefits received minus taxes paid) of $14,387 per household.
Multiply that by, 4 million households ...
>>73151665
Use fuck tons of welfare, drive down wages, don't pay taxes, commit tons of crime, destroy property values, siphon wealth back to Mexico, use all of our public services.
If we need their labor then we'll raise immigration quotas. I have seen any argument for not deporting illegals other than:
>"Señor, mi abuelita is so old and poor and brown. Why joo no want to pay for all of her stuff? Ees racist"
>>73155209
Lol fuck of our own citizens don't even have jobs, they come before illegals who put nothing into the system. We can't reward illegal immigration.
They should be with their families in Mexico fixing their own county.
>>73151665
Yeah, 60% or more of the federal budget is spent on welfare programs.
Less people needing welfare = less tax dollars spent.
>>73155209
Why should we? Don't those jobs belong to American citizens? Our countrymen have families to feed too. Last I checked, the United States is a sovereign nation, and has been recognized as such by the entire world, including Mexico.
>>73154961
also any links to these statistics?
Could't find the WHO one.
>>73154523
>Nation and tribe are not equivalent.
This is a modern notion instilled in us by international Jewry. Nation and tribe are completely inseparable.
>>73154545
>But I'm ashkenazi and love my country
Which one?
>>73155648
America. Fuck Israel I don't care about them.
>>73155535
No, sorry, I don't. I read it recently, but forgot to bookmark them. I just remembered the names of the organizations that conducted them and the details; with those I'm sure you can navigate their websites or use Google to find them. I'll double check my bookmarks again.
>>73151665
Well, It's not an objective proof of it, but I can talk you about the Spanish experience.
Some years ago, the construction boom was at its finests, and the most wise and clever president in Spanish history, José Luís "Mr. Bean" Zapatero, had the brilliant idea:
"the world has no borders, no human is illegal, the earth belongs to the wind" and shit like that.
So he decided that open borders and a massive legalization was the best for the country.
As result, the job market went from bad to worse.
If a low qualification work was enough well paid to mantain a low-med class, in a month there was 5 million people ready to work for less money and in worst conditions, only because they live like lice and with a low income they had to send their countries and support a big family with that.
So the obvious result was the destruction of the rights earned through a lot of effort and fight.
The only one who won something were the companies who could hire the workers for less money.
That was counterproductive, the crisis generated forced the med-high qualified workers to emigrate to other countries...
I have no more time, but the thing goes deeper and deeper...
All that because "there are no illegal human beings".
>>73155717
>America. Fuck Israel I don't care about them.
Then I recommend that you convert to Christianity and keep a low profile. If you look white enough we might not be able find you during the purges.
>>73156168
Lol bro I don't look white, I have curly hair and look unmistakably jewish beside having white skin. But I get that is the deciding factor wether someone is human for you :)
>>73156389
>But I get that is the deciding factor whether someone is human for you
Human or not human is irrelevant. Your tribe has caused great harm to European civilization and has proven itself largely incompatible with our way of life. I sympathize with the fact that Israel has become a shitty low-IQ kebab country, you kikes should have kept your country racially pure. Perhaps you can try to found an exclusively Ashkenazi countty, maybe Canada will give you a piece of Tundra on the cheap.
>>73157017
>Human or not human is irrelevant
>Holding an entire group responsible for the actions of a few
>"But guys, white guilt is unjustified, we didn't do that stuff our ancestors did we shouldn't be held responsible!"
>I'm actually autistic too!
>>73157017
Whites are assholes. I hope my race eliminates you now.
It makes 0 sense to me that illegals can get welfare. That's their only problem as far as I'm concerned.
>>73157228
>"But guys, white guilt is unjustified, we didn't do that stuff our ancestors did we shouldn't be held responsible!"
I think racial blood guilt is very important. The SJW's are correct absolutely correct. Every white alive today holds responsibility for and benefits from the ruthless brutality of his forefathers. We have two options, we can either grovel in front of subhumans and destroy ourselves, or we can finish the job.
Kikes have the same options.
>>73157331
LOL i'm half Ashkenazi, but I look white enough to pass for goy. You are out of luck friend.
>>73153698
umm they're also paying property tax if they're renting...
>>73157388
but they don't get welfare...it's illegal for them to get welfare.
>>73157785
>Im half ashkenazi
So you're not even in the tribe? So it literally is about how you look? That's all?
Again you guys are assholes, I hope my race elimination.
>>73158117
eliminates you*
>>73151665
Don't you have a fire to pour maple syrup on leaf?
>>73158264
>Doesn't read the thread
kek
>>73158117
>I hope my race eliminates you
Good luck Schlomo, you are going to need it.
>>73158588
I think they're doing good right now thanks! Remember the six gorillion!
The thing you fail to realize is regardless what you think the masses don't view things in absolutes like you because they aren't mentally ill.
>>73158750
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M6FXuFPayY
>>73158999
>Beautiful
>Jewish
>Baby
Have fun goyim!
