Can a Catholic explain to me what any of this has to do with God?
Catholics bury their dead. I'm not sure what the confusion is. They are not the only ones to do this.
That place houses tombs of King Sigismund and King Sigismund II Augustus.
Those monuments pictured carry their likenesses.
>>73001845
I'm talking about a chapel being full of ostentatious shit. God doesn't care how wealthy you are. And another problem is bringing politics into religion. Kings don't belong in a church, they belong at the gallows.
>>73003628
Protestants think they're very clever, as though these arguments and discussions weren't had by Catholics a millennia ago. Read the debates between St Bernard of Clairvaux and "Theophilus" the Benedictine. That is, if you actually care, which I'm sure you don't.
>>73003628
" I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." -J.C., Matthew 19:24
Nothing. Christians are just hypocritical retards.
>>73003958
So you're saying that you don't have an argument?
>>73003958
spoken like a true whore of rome. a thousand year old discourse is not going to change my mind about catholics not being heretics
religion is for dumb people anyways, but its obvious that "christ" has nothing to do with roman popery, just as christ has nothing to do with the talmud/old testament
>>73004349
My arguments are those already put forward in the aforementioned debate. If you wish to know them, read them. They're available online for free.
>>73000706
The dead aren't dead forever. Their bodies are resting until they're reunited with the soul at the resurrection.
>>73003628
Protestant idiot. You're the type that would've thought JFK gets his orders from the Vatican
>>73004361
>a thousand year old discourse is not going to change my mind about catholics not being heretics
I'm not sure why you think I care. I am not here to change your mind.
>>73003628
C U C K
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>>73000706
>>73003628
It is the greatest worship and flattery of God to attempt to make the kingdom of Man even a fraction as beautiful as the infinite grace of heaven.
When man lives a virtuous life and spends his energy and wealth upon venerating the Lord, rather than being born, living, and dieing in some moldy village with a moldy chapel filled with moldy people, they have truly spent their time upon Earth wisely, just as academics who spend their life understanding the mysteries of creation do.
It is a disgusting waste of the life God has given us to spend it in quiet mediocrity.
>>73003628
>bringing politics into religion
Constantine, the foundations of the Catholic church. They chucked God centuries ago, it's codified feudalism like all Semitic religions.
>>73003958
Protestantism arose from the carnage of Black Death, they are just crippled Catholics. If you stop indoctrinating the children, Abrahamics would die off quickly, and they will eventually, no one wants Black Death rolling into town again.
>cuckstianity
It's keeping the European man down, with its meek universalism.
>>73003628
Protestants are such plebs
>>73000706
God inspires art. Tombs are eternal effigies of holy men's likenesses.
It's beautiful, doesn't need an explanation.
>>73000706
>Roman Catholic
>Roman
>Catholic
Keyword
>Roman
Look at their art and sculptures and you'll understand. Back then everything was about making stuff look really good not like with the brutalist modern architecture.
>>73004989
>It's beautiful, doesn't need an explanation.
muh art
>>73000706
I would have a greater respect for Christianity if Christians actually practiced the virtues of self-denial espoused by Christ.
Instead you have mega-pope sitting in his golden palace of pure luxury and private jet protestants telling followers that for just 4 payments of $99.99 you can send your Dog to heaven after it dies.
Even if Christianity is true, the only people in heaven are monks and martyrs.
>>73005077
There is an infinity to worship and praise the Lord in heaven, but He has given us these few decades or a century upon Earth to make it beautiful, to make it good, and to show the glory of God through our works and knowledge.
>>73001845
Allahu Akbar but those are some pimp-ass tombs! Islam needs to step the fuck up, fo' sho'.
>catholics = european people following a jew religion with european additions
>protestants = european people trying to be full jews while they actually hate the jews. Maybe this is why they hate themselves so much.
About the chapel, is beautiful and if you dont like it go an libe in a hut, retard.
>>73004837
>Protestantism arose from the carnage of Black Death, they are just crippled Catholics.
Protestantism arose because certain clerics were carnal and no longer wanted to live under the strict demands placed upon them by orthodoxy. Hus was a buffoon, but he was right about Martin Luther.
>>73005054
It wasn't about "making stuff look really good," but providing a structure suitable to housing the Holy Eucharist. This will always go entirely over the heads of Protestants. They would also condemn the Ark of the Covenant or Solomon's Temple for being "too ostentatious," oblivious to the fact that these things - like Churches - are as they are because they point beyond themselves to something much higher.
In summary, >>73004891 said it best.
Nobody likes your cancerous Wal-Mart evangelical megachurches, Protecunts, fuck off.
>>73003628
fuck off back to your "mega church" with a mcdonalds and the pastor singing in front of flatscreen tvs
>>73005479
>a fucking McDonalds
>>73004881
So that's why Britain, France, Spain, Portugal went to different parts of the world and colonized and fucked the natives in the name of God, correct?
>pagan nigger is against imperialism
>>73005479
>insults Protestant churches for having a lot of money
>they cathedral you posted obviously is very expensive
>>73005244
Bullshit. You fundamentally misunderstand the Bible and prove why Catholicism is not Christianity. Even a sinner can make it into heaven as long as he recognizes that Jesus was the son of God.
>>73005873
Aesthetics is better than whatever the unholy heathen shit McDonald at a fucking Church.
>>73005873
>insults Protestant churches for having a lot of money
No he didn't you stupid Luthernigger
>>73004881
protestcucks are the ones fucking europe , not other christians
Nothing. The Catholic church used to like wasting poor people's money on shit
>>73005921
No, as long as he repents of his sins.
Do you think Judas did not ultimately recognise Christ as God? And yet there was no repentance; rather than going to the Lord and laying his sins bare, praying for mercy, he hanged himself. This is the only sin for which there is no forgiveness, eternal sin.
>>73005479
This is Pastor Anderson's church. It is as much a church as anything posted in this thread.
>>73005921
>Even a sinner can make it into heaven as long as he recognizes that Jesus was the son of God.
The wages of sin is death. If you truly repent you will be forgiven for your sins but I'd assume true repentance means you actually try to stop committing the same sin over and over again and actually feel bad for committing it, which most people don't seem to do.
>>73005785
It was about wealth and power, coinciding with the abolition of feudalism and the rise of capitalism, which spurred the search for new markets. Religion had little to do with it. The British Empire hardly tried to convert any peoples and we had the largest empire by far. Most of the Spanish countries are 99% Catholic but are crime-ridden shitholes.
I'm not a pagan, I'm agnostic.
>>73005785
utterly wrong
we did it for the money, not god
religion is a convenient excuse
>>73006244
>Religion had little to do with it.
For the British, probably, as you, like all Protestants, are demi-Jews and have appropriated their behaviour to yourselves. For the Iberian kingdoms, this is demonstrably false.
>>73004423
If you don't mind me asking, what are these debates called? I'd really would love to read them.
>>73000706
Dust is what man is made of. God has blessed us with the images of God's self with our very bodies, as believers in God understand that his believers are the very image of God. When we were risen from dust, our bodies were made manifest, and the vessels for our Lord had been granted to us. And with each vessel of God's faith is a unique person with its own distinction of humanity. As God has made everyone of us special and unique in part of the universal course of destiny.
Humans love their bodies. Man and Woman. When you ask artists what they find beautiful, often they will say "people". Since people are beautiful with many artists, and reflect the image of God, we can explain this as the artist interpreting divine imagery with art.
>>73006244
>Most of the Spanish countries are 99% Catholic but are crime-ridden shitholes.
Because the locals are fucking idiots.
>>73006335
>we did it for the money, not god
Get with the act anon.
>>73006047
France has the worst demographics of any country there and it's Catholic. Most of the Orthodox countries are either utterly irrelevant or economic backwaters, with already declining populations.
It's a problem with the whole of Christianity, not one branch.
>>73006238
I wish I had a hammer
>>73006214
it's like they're not even trying
>>73004279
But wealth is relative.
A village chief with a sturdy hut is wealthy compared to his fellow villager who lives in a worn out shack. But that chief is not wealthy compared to the Pope.
Compared to the vast wealth that the universe has to offer, we are all, techically poor
>>73006510
>It's a problem with the whole of Christianity, not one branch.
Because Protestantism, the only thing that lets you be a faggot "agnostic" has corrupted Christianity.
>>73006629
>touching art
Eat shit you pleb.
Catholics do mental gymnastics to justify their idolatry the thread
>>73006629
Of course a jew wannabe would destroy european art
I always thought chapels had all those sculptures because it provided a beautiful place for people to worship. I mean, if I was a priest, I'd rather provide a beautiful place for people to pray in instead of a makeshift hut or something.
God is dead.
>>73006747
>some protestant with no taste for anything makes a thread
>>73006412
St Bernard of Clairvaux's "Apologia" or "Apology," in which he attacks the Benedictines at Cluny and their associated houses for their supposed extravagance.
The response, by "Theophilus," more commonly known as Theophilus Presbyter, came in his "An Essay Upon Diverse Arts," particularly in the prefaces to his first and third books.
There's no clear winner, IMO. Both make good cases for and against elaborate ornamentation of holy places, founding their arguments on reason and on Sacred Scripture. What we are really seeing, I think, is a divergence in interpretations of what monasticism actually means. It is a foreshadowing of the need for new monastic orders, each with their own distinct apostolate.
>>73006747
"""""""idolatry"""""""
>>73006824
That's faith based on marketing, not faith based on the word of God.
>>73006629
Envy is a sin. And so is wrath.
>>73004279
>you can't create beautiful things because beautiful things are valuble
>>73007154
Spreading the word of God by doing whatever you can is pretty noble.
>>73007154
>That's faith based on marketing, not faith based on the word of God.
Protestant humor is 10/10, lads. They say this while building megachurches and having used car salesman preachers.
>>73005244
Don't talk shit about Francis, he does more in a day for the poor than you in your entire life
>mfw prostecucks dont have a painting of Lepanto in their "churchs"
>>73006747
I'm fully convinced that if the Ark of the Covenant ever fell into Protestant hands they would destroy it for its "idolatry".
>>73007475
I don't give a shit, I never said I cared about the poor.
>>73007178
Fighting idolatry is a noble cause
>protestant scum think they are clever with their heretical arguments
laughable.
>>73007725
What idolatry?
>>73007482
has nothing to do with the Bible
>>73007725
""""Idolatry""""
>>73007803
The Cult of Mary
>>73007856
Stop worshipping the bible, heretic scum
>>73007912
You mean the veneration of the Queen of Heaven?
>>73007912
So having a picture of Mary is a cult? How silly.
>>73007948
I know you're not Swedish, pole
>>73007856
>christendom fighting the mudshits and defending Europe has nothing to do with Christianity
>being this ungrateful to God
>>73007912
>Cult
>>73008114
unrelated
>>73006214
That looks like your typical my little ponny convention
>>73008358
Kek
>>73006510
I never heard of anything like this in france, uk, sweden and germany are the cuckest country of the earth
>>73008358
>Having ugly shit is a sign of virtue
gas yourself
>>73003628
>Kings don't belong in a church, they belong at the gallows.
Spoken like a proper heretic.
I take you never read "De Monarchia" by Dante Alighieri, right?
>>73000706
This is called Art, my barbarian friend
When a civilization reaches a certain level of development she produce fine pieces of work like the ones on the picture.
>>73008453
What are you trying to accomplish? Sure, these picture look good but in the same way that being a degenerate feels good.
>>73007255
This is what your god wants faggot
>>73008651
It's called Aesthetic.
>>73008678
Where did God say don't make churches look nice?
>>73008678
That must be why he endowed men with a love for creating and appreciating art. Yes, the Creator of all things has barred those he loves most from sharing in the joy of creation. Pure stupidity.
>>73004837
>They chucked God centuries ago, it's codified feudalism like all Semitic religions.
> pairing christianity up with other semitic religions.
The fact that we only have (had) a liturgical language but no sacred language, contrarily to islam and judaism, has never rang a bell for you?
Truly you are thicker than a black woman's ass.
>>73008651
The only degenerate here is you.
>>73000706
no one cares how a bunch of christcucks spend
their time or money (which is invariably spent
helping jews maintain hegemony over other
gentiles)
>>73008621
>The work was banned by the Catholic church in 1585
lol, how very Catholic
>>73009015
Spain would like to tell you about how they got rid of the Jews in 1492.
>>73009042
>Politics
>>73008861
vive le roi!
>>73009042
Dante and the emperor > the Pope.
A family can't be a family without a husband and a wife.
Damn...
I'm Orthodox but Catholic art makes me mad jelly (forgive me).
>>73009271
:)
>>73009611
You a slav?
>>73009015
nice troll.
Will this also trigger the american catholics?
>>73009611
>I'm Orthodox but Catholic art makes me mad jelly (forgive me).
A lot of people are going back to the old ways, and I am planning to.
I will go talk to the local St. Pius X congregation in the next months, I want to know why I am so attracted to orthodox catholicism.
The catholic church is dead. Dead and rotten since some 50 years.
>>73009794
Trigger how?
>>73009794
>Jesus
>>73003628
Fuck off pleb
>>73009794
Frankly, it might. There are an awful lot of parishes in these parts which prefer to show the resurrected Christ over the passion of Christ. I don't like it.
>>73009630
MORT DE LE REPUBLIQUE
>>73009875
>SSPX
>being an actual heretic that worships a fucking Pope
Fucking cultist.
>>73009875
The problem with you SSPX people (frankly, you sound more like SSPV to me), is that you lack faith.
>>73003628
If God doesn't care, why did you make a thread about it? We venerate our dead, and we like our places of worship to look nice.
I fucking hate Protestants so much. I never used to care, I always just looked at them as my brothers and sisters in faith, but now I can't fucking stand them. They're all heretical scum and they're so retarded, yet they think they're all fucking Martin Luther.
Every single fucking Protestant thinks they're some kind of theologian, and that they have this divine enlightenment that millions of Catholics over the past 2,000 years haven't had tons of rebuttals for.
From an Orthodox Christian: go fuck yourself Proddie scum. I hope every single one of you is burned at the stake. Your heresy is jeopardizing the souls of millions of the Faithful with your retarded lies.
Lets get real here its just the baptist that are the Problem the protestants who take the sacrament are fine but the ones who just sing and jump around like heretics are the problem
>>73010194
Catholics and Eastern Orthodox can fling crap at one another all we like, at the end of the day we're still essentially on the same page. This is why reconciliation is not a vain hope.
With Protestants, there is no reconciliation. They are simply too far gone and we can do little but pray for them.
>>73003628
Question. Do you have a bank account that earns income from interests or a 401K?
Well, I got some bad news for you. You are in direct violation of the Bible and by all means a bad Christian.
To be fair most Christians don't bother to read the damn book they always say they follow.
>>73009928
American tourist dont like this kind of baroque art. Too harsh for them... Maybe is just my experience.
>>73010411
I don't want to pray for them, I want to burn them.
We were too fucking lenient with them. I bet if we would have fucking burned all the Hussites back in the 15th century, they never would have inspired that faggot Martin Luther to pull the shit he did. Kill them all, let God sort out the righteous ones.
>>73003628
>protestant cucks think a motivational speech in a tin shack competes with the glory and transcendence of cathedrals
>>73007952
>Queen of Heaven
So you admit you worship...I mean "venerate" Ishtar? (Jeremiah 7:18 & 44:17)
>>73010081
You barely know what you are talking about, don't you?
>>73010104
My fear, going around all these sects, is ending up in a dead end cult. They don't have the authority of the church anymore.
That is why I have decided to find a starets to teach me the jesus prayer the hesychast way and just become a catholic orthodox.
The beauty in eastern religions is that they still, in some way, hold on to the devotion and beautiful primitiveness that our church has forgotten since a long time.
I do lack faith in the current state of things, I have lost faith in this conciliar and headless mould we call "church" today. If i stop and think about the state of things, it's easy for me to have nihilistic and irreligious thoughts. Man needs a guide.
>>73010565
Is that some "Saint George Slaying the Dragon?"
Muh nigga. I'm planning on visiting Spain next year, I love Spanish culture. I also love the fact that you and Italy are basically the only pious countries left in Europe.
>>73010592
We have to pray for them. This is one of the beatitudes. You must rise above your passions and obey the Lord. We all must, hard as it is.
>>73010194
Holy fucking shit sweden, the cuckining cant get worse than this.
Im NEVER talking to sweden or swedens wifes son EVER again
>>73010709
No, I admit I venerate the Holy Mother.
>[1] And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars:
>[2] And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered.
>[3] And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads, and ten horns: and on his head seven diadems:
>[4] And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered; that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son.
>[5] And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod: and her son was taken up to God, and to his throne.
Apoc 12:1-5
What sort of people are crowned, I wonder? Kings and queens, perhaps?
>advocate sola scriptura
>don't even bother to read Sacred Scripture
>Protestants
>>73010731
All I know that it's schismatic spook shit. Don't be a fucking spook get your ass back in communion.
>>73010731
What is the name of this painting? I've been wanting to get a print of it for a while now.
>>73010736
>you and Italy are basically the only pious countries left in Europe.
nice meme you fucking american
>>73010194
I'm Catholic, but I love you guys.
If we picked a random average church from your faith, it'd probably be prettier than a random average one from ours.
>>73010194
you. I like you.
>>73010736
Spain has Matamoros, easily the best patron saint for current year
>>73010757
typical liberal cuck mindset
there is no moral high ground in Catholic heresy
Dont worry Catholic Brothers soon this army will rise again to take back Europe from democracy and Islam and protestants
>>73010736
>Spain
>pious
lmao, if pious means gay
>>73010565
burger here, not even religious, and I eat this shit up
>>73010898
>What is the name of this painting? I've been wanting to get a print of it for a while now.
What is google reverse image search?
>>73010862
>Don't be a fucking spook get your ass back in communion.
I am not going to be a fag and knowingly worship a false pope which is the head of a false religion.
The church has been taken over. Knowing about it and still going to church is to commit apostasy.
>>73010904
About 30% of Spain and Italy's population claims they attend Church regularly, and another 40% attend sporadically. That's a lot better than most of Europe, which is in the low 10s, so that counts as pious to me.
>>73010565
dunno if I'm average but I've always loved baroque art. Look forward to seeing it IRL one day.
>>73011071
It's Warhammer 40k tier. Catholicism is roleplaying as a knight, lmao.
>>73011092
>I am not going to be a fag and knowingly worship a false pope which is the head of a false religion.
Then don't call yourself Catholic you spook.
>>73007255
>>you can't create beautiful things because beautiful things are valuble
came here to post this
>>73008678
>This is what your god wants faggot
And apparently not YOUR God, so as a nonchristian, what makes you think you can dictate to us what our religion is?
>>73011092
Reverse image search gives me the artist, not the title, you fucking leaf dickhead.
>>73010736
Yes he is. I hope you like Spain. We have some nice "religious tourism".
>>73010731
>I do lack faith in the current state of things, I have lost faith in this conciliar and headless mould we call "church" today.
Worse, you have lost faith in God. You doubt the assurance of our Lord: "And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Keep the faith and do not be carried away with doubts.
Whenever I encounter people who are out-and-out sedevacantists (or those approaching sedevacantism as it seems you're doing), I remind them of Christ in the tempest. The boat is akin to the Church, beset by strong winds and rough seas. The disciples' hearts are filled with doubt, and they wake Christ saying: "Master, doth it not concern thee that we perish?" When Christ calms the sea, he rebukes them saying: "Why are you fearful? have you not faith yet?"
Our Lord is not sleeping, though it at times may seem as though he is. Keep faith.
>>73011282
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Utrecht_(Old_Catholic)
>>73000706
Christianity and Catholicism influenced a lot of art. We don't know the title or the influence behind this piece, but at first glance, I could say, it's just a couple fags dying.
>>73011368
this flag will save us
>>73011221
40k is just ugly and stupid though, in all the worst ways.
>>73011369
>Keep the faith and do not be carried away with doubts.
>>73003628
>Kings don't belong in a church, they belong at the gallows
Do you think that the world started in the 1700s?
>>73010808
>Implying Revelations isn't mostly symbolic
Still no mention of that title you use for her. I would be a little concerned if I prayed to someone given a title that is only used in a negative context by the Bible.
Sure are a lot of heretical Cathi's in here. Orthodox heretics, too. You guys need to stop your idolatry and pagan customs before you burn in hell.
>>73011137
>About 30% of Spain and Italy's population claims they attend Church regularly, and another 40% attend sporadically.
> countries known to be major bullshitters
> believing self declared statistics
I was born there and I can assure you 100% that as soon as this generation of grandparents die, churches will be so empty you will be able to eat off the floor.
They are already "re-purposing" a lot of churches as asylum seeker shelters. Seen it first hand, fucking pathetic.
The Christ that we used to wear on the shields and invoke to make our enemies tremble in fear is not the same Christ they worship anymore.
>>73011310
>Reverse image search gives me the artist, not the title, you fucking leaf dickhead.
I'm not your secretary you cock, do your own fucking research. You self-entitled shit stain.
>>73011369
>Our Lord is not sleeping, though it at times may seem as though he is. Keep faith.
What is there left of "our" church? When you read Pope Innocent or any of the old enciclicals, the egegesis of the old monks .. can you recognize her?
>>73011907
Christianity isn't Islam. The completion of the Bible doesn't mark the ending of all development, and even then, most of this kind of stuff people like you complain about are based only in interpretations of Scripture that you disagree with.
>>73011391
Still ain't in communion.
>>73011648
>said the protestant who has no faith to begin with
>>73012057
>What is there left of "our" church? When you read Pope Innocent or any of the old enciclicals, the egegesis of the old monks .. can you recognize her?
Its still there. Fucking spook, this is why protestant niggers think we worship the fucking Pope. Because we got spooks like you who cry bloody fucking mary because they can't willingly give up doing anything just to rise up in the fucking rank of the Church and make a change from within. Goddamn spook.
>>73012031
Have you gotten rid of your interest bearing bank accounts?
>>73007857
did jesus give her a facial?
>>73011907
Thankfully I don't have to abide by the absurd doctrine of sola scriptura. The title "Queen of Heaven" is a product of Sacred Tradition, and is substantiated by the aforementioned verses from the Apocalypse. I can think of no more apt term than "Queen" in the context of the symbolism of the Apocalypse, and this alone is more than enough justification for the veneration of the Blessed Virgin.
>>73012031
The Orthodox have a feast day to celebrate kicking out the Iconoclasts. Fuck off.
>>73012057
>What is there left of "our" church? When you read Pope Innocent or any of the old enciclicals, the egegesis of the old monks .. can you recognize her?
Honestly, yes. The media misrepresents her, and misrepresents the Pope. We have problems, assailants from within and without, but this is not the first time it has happened. We will keep going, and we always have.
>>73012284
The only bank account I have is a checking account. You'd have to be an idiot to open a savings account the bank.
>>73000706
Second Council of Nicea.
Thank God that the protestors didn't get their hand on this or they would have smashed it back in the day. Protestors destroyed countless amounts of priceless art like this because of their hatred for the true religion.
>>73012278
>make a change from within
I have relatives in the church, we are properly catholic.
I am telling you it has changed.
The next step is going to be priests being able to marry, you'll see. Mark my words.
When that famous enciclical was written, it was specifically asked to make the catholic church "more anglican" and more "liberal".
>>73012489
>We have problems, assailants from within and without, but this is not the first time it has happened.
Masons are a cancer. At the moment I see no cure.
>>73012489
>kicking out the Iconoclasts
Muslim tier, fucking why?
>>73010996
Santiago y cierra, España!
>>73012057
>I was born there and I can assure you 100% that as soon as this generation of grandparents die, churches will be so empty you will be able to eat off the floor.
Leftist propagnda,
>>About 30% of Spain and Italy's population claims they attend Church regularly, and another 40% attend sporadically.
Being a catholic doesn't mean you have to go everyday to the church.
>>73012525
Does that checking account have interest?
>>73012489
>you don't worship magical pictures?! REEEEEEEEEEE
You say iconoclast like it's a bad thing. Worship Christ not idols, men and pictures.
>>73012240
>The completion of the Bible doesn't mark the ending of all development
I didn't even imply that was the case...
Unless you're putting church writing on a level that can undo the implications of that title. Shoot, why don't we just refer to God as Ba'al after all, it means "lord"...it means the same as Adonai.
>>73010194
>From an Orthodox Christian
>>73012716
>checking account
>accruing interest
You have to be 18 to post here kid.
>>73012655
>we are properly catholic.
Who is the Pope? Name him. If that fucker is not alive, then you are not "proper Catholics" Also have some fucking respect for the name you kike.
>The next step is going to be priests being able to marry, you'll see. Mark my words.
But it won't. You're an idiot. No, you're not an idiot, you are pussy. You're a pussy that runs away and can't say "You know what, I want to change the Church." But instead you run away.
>>73012750
We dont worship pictures you fucktard, we verenerate the saints. Do you even understand what this means?
>>73012690
>Leftist propagnda,
It really is not. I don't know how it is in France but more than one church close to where I used to live became like that.
I have so many stories, the priest almost got chased out of our village because he started siding with those swarthy freeloaders.
These things ARE HAPPENING. Shutting your eyes won't change a thing.
Sadly the new generations of "socially conservative" men and women are very atheistic and irreligious. The church caved in to the progressives and we left it to them instead of standing up for her.
Now there is nothing left to do.
>>73009875
Russian mongoloids call that art?
>>73000706
It looks cool as fuck anon, and actually this kind of stuff is what makes Catholicism so great.
So fuck the fuck off
>>73012909
Yeah. It's the mental gymnastics heretics go through to tell themselves they're not idolaters.
>>73004731
Amen.
Underrated post
>>73012874
>"You know what, I want to change the Church."
What did you do to change the church?
Because apart from speaking regularly to the priests that used to visit our house, there is not much else one can do.
A lot of them agree with us about the current state of the church, but they are not allowed to talk about it.
>>73012957
Facundus was african you ignorant twat.
>>73012909
>we don't eat da poopoo, we merely chew fecal matter and ingest it.
>>73012057
>What is there left of "our" church?
It is the same Church. Not a single Pope in the nearly 2,000 year history of our Church has led us into doctrinal error, including Francis. That there are wicked men operating within the Church and even the magisterium is quite likely. Christ did not assure us that the Devil would not attempt to prevail against the Church, or that he would have no success in his endeavours, but that he would ultimately fail.
Your thesis, here, is that the Church has been lost. Logically, this is to deny the veracity of Christ's words. Therefore, you must either believe that:
a) Christ never made such a promise; or
b) Christ made the promise, but is unable to keep it; or
c) Christ made the promise, but is unwilling to keep it
In case of a), this is to believe that the Church was wrong in its selection of an authoritative canon, or that you believe, as the Mohommedans do, that Sacred Scripture has been corrupted. In case of b), you limit the power of God and thus deny his omnipotence or deny that Christ was God. In case of c), you must accept that God is mutable, arbitrary, and fickle. In any case, all of these errors are about as great as, if not worse than, those you are charging the magisterium with.
Plato: Truth is Beauty.
Augustine: God is Truth.
Conclusion: Beauty is a manifestation of God.
Creating beautiful art is an act of worship. This is why Modern Art is so ugly - because God has been removed.
>>73012957
European Caucasoids call this art?
>>73012835
My checking account gives interest. Albeit really really small, but I'm in violation of the Bible.
>>73013111
>>73013178
>jew education
>>73000706
>What does art have to do with God for a religious person?
What kind of silly question is this, seriously?
It's all just to impress you and distract you from the incredibly obvious fact that a mega-powerful space creature isn't a plausible explanation for the creation of the universe.
>>73007666
Satan is a canadian, I don't believe it
>>73013241
>cucked by a dragon
>>73013241
>Cuckasians
>>73004731
This plus its a metaphor thing. Your supposed to be as close to god as physically possible, its meant to give you that divine wealth feeling.
>>73013140
>What did you do to change the church?
Nothing, because I ain't got no quarrel with the Church.
>A lot of them agree with us about the current state of the church, but they are not allowed to talk about it.
Then there won't be a change. If you, yes you, the fucking leaf who's probably aren't a virgin wants to make a change, you become part of the clergy. But you can't, because you want to sit around following, hell even worshiping a dead Pope.
>>73013351
The dragon is the devil.
>>73013235
This
lol idk
>>73008358
top kek
>>73007475
He's a fucking socialist. Helping the poor the way he does, doesn't really help them at all. He doesn't teach them values, he just brainwashes them into loving hippy Jesus.
He spouses a bland and weak branch of Christianity that has nothing to do with transcending the flesh, like the teachings of Plotinus.
All in all he's just a very weak leader that doesn't understand shit about what's wrong with Christianity today, which would be not being badass and tasteful anymore.
>>73013252
Jews educated me to spot distinctions without differences? Also not an argument.
>>73013927
Do you know what the concept of Charity is?
Catholics are just modern say Ancient Greek idolaters, bowing to statues of Zeus and Hermes
their connection to God is basically a love of ornate architecture, mixed with pagan shit, loving Mother Earth (a.k.a Mother Mary)
>>73013252
>I have nothing to say, so I'll just say Jews
Nice argument, heretic.
>>73014071
At least our religion wasnt made by a degenerated king.
>>73013927
>>73014131
If you want an argument at least learn what means verenation, fuckfaces.
>>73014131
Praying to a Saint isn't worship, it's them getting the word to God.
>>73012449
Sola sciptura merely means we use scripture as a litmus test against anything new. Not that nothing new can be learned. And "Queen of Heaven" fails this litmus test easily in Jeremiah. You may think Revelations is literal, but if that's the case, none of the symbolic prophecy of the OT was fulfilled if you read it literally.
>>73003628
>Kings don't belong in a church, they belong at the gallows.
Did you miss the part where you're supposed to pray for your oppressors and enemies, and submit to authorities?
>>73000706
can you explain to me what religion has to do with god
>>73014460
So that's why faggot retards from the south claim that earth was made 6000 years ago, right?
>>73014374
If you want someone to take you seriously, make an argument, and don't play the SJW "EDUCATE YOURSELF" card.
>>73014398
What is even more funny is that they venerate their pastor and in some extreme cases they even idolize them
..
>>73014069
What's your point?
>>73014622
Not an argument
>>73014398
I wouldn't say that. We pray to the saints and the Holy Mother because the Chruch Triumphant have been perfected in Christ and are in union with him in a way that the Church Militant cannot possibly be, even whilst receiving the Holy Eucharist. For this reason, their prayers are recognised as having greater efficacy than our own, and this is why they are our intercessors.
There's also a Scriptural basis for this:
>[1] And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven, as it were for half an hour.
>[2] And I saw seven angels standing in the presence of God; and there were given to them seven trumpets.
>[3] And another angel came, and stood before the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given to him much incense, that he should offer of the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar, which is before the throne of God.
>[4] And the smoke of the incense of the prayers of the saints ascended up before God from the hand of the angel.
We don't cease praying when we in the peace of Christ. After death, our prayer life continues and is probably far greater than even that of the most pious living men.
>>73014398
>thinking you need a middleman to talk to God
That's some backwards thinking there. Guess I missed the parts where Christ and the apostles to tell christians to pray to a magic middleman to get their prayers to Heaven.
>>73014776
It has two different meaning for two different outcomes.
If a charitable man gives his money to the poor, then the action of the poor man is depends upon the person who receives money, in which he can do whatever.
If a not so charitable person gives money to the poor, who does drugs, he is paying him to do drugs.
How does this relate? It relates because it's a difference in the situation, you worship, and you respect the dead (or managed to get to heaven), and the people who helped build this Church (which is called venerate you fucking idiot.)
>not an argument
Please fuck off youtube circlejerker.
>>73014460
>Sola sciptura merely means we use scripture as a litmus test against anything new. Not that nothing new can be learned. And "Queen of Heaven" fails this litmus test easily in Jeremiah.
And this in no way contradicts what I said about my not having to abide by the ridiculous doctrine, or "litmus test," of sola scriptura. This argument means quite literally nothing to the Catholic mind.
>You may think Revelations is literal
I don't at all, I merely don't cast aside the symbolism of the crowned Virgin Mary is meaningless as you do.
>>73015099
*you worship God.
>>73014852
Are you the portuguese living in Canada?
Well said bro.
>>73015181
Am I that obvious? Yes, it's me.
Good to see a faithful Spaniard. I had been getting worried of late based on some of the posts from Spanish anons I've been seeing.
>>73006214
YOU CALL THAT A CHURCH, DA FUCK IS THAT NIQQA?
I wonder how much money has went to astral connection buildings to cuckstians as a whole? Like every church in the world, put together.
YEAH YOU WORSHIP DEM TOES WITE BOI
>>73015768
>he actually saves pictures of the Pope
Are you a cuck?
>>73008678
>Creating something beautiful with with God given talents is wrong.
Fuck off, they build it to venerate him. To create something beautiful to honor him.
Now fuck off back to Maher shows while cutting your wrists edgy teenager.
>>73006214
>go to a building to listen to a random person talk about God, listen to music then go home
That's some serious worshipping you got going on.
>>73015099
>then the action of the poor man is depends upon the person who receives money
Wut? I thought the poor man receives the money
>Please fuck off youtube circlejerker.
It's Stefan's best maymay, and actually useful too.
>>73015108
>Looking at things through the lens of scipture means quite literally nothing to the Catholic mind.
I'm used to that...not like Christ ever said "Have you not read" as if reading scripture was important.
>the symbolism of the crowned Virgin Mary
I fail to see it beyinf symbolic and not literal in the way you look at it. A woman giving birth to Christ represents the woman giving birth to Christ? If it's symbolic then she (with the 12 stars, one for each Tribe) represents Israel, which, symbolically, gave birth to Christ.
Entering saint peter's cathedral was the most breathtaking moment of my life, and also inspired true curiousity towards the possiblity of the divine in a way I had never experienced. It's not about gaudiness, its about objective beauty.
>>73010194
This. Heresy is spread fast when smooth talking con-man preach their latest revelations.
>>73013840
Calm down, Christianity suffered way worse things in the past, it's true that he seems weak in human terms but that's what we need in times of prosecution.
If you want to be a knight in kevlar armour you can do it, and i will follow you if you do because it was that way how the orders started before being recognized by the Church
>>73004731
This.
>>73016545
No. Because Charity is always good. If the person giving the money is bad, then by logic, it isn't charity.
>>73009875
My parish says the Latin mass and it isn't SSPX, it is in full Communion with Rome. All you have to do is get enough parishioners to sign a document saying they want the Latin mass and then send it to your priest or Bishop.
>>73000706
Art is a reflection of spirituality. If you can't understand that I don't know what to tell you.
artistic devotion to God. Catholics have done many things in God's name not only in the arts but the sciences as well as a, imo, proper use of funds
>>73016545
>Looking at things through the lens of scipture means quite literally nothing to the Catholic mind.
No, taking the verses in Jeremiah as condemnation of the correct use of the title in reference to Mary means nothing to the Catholic mind. Nebuchadnezzar is also called "king of kings" and yet no Protestant bats an eye when that title is correctly applied to Christ. This is the sort of absurdity that sola scriptura engenders.
>I fail to see it beyinf symbolic and not literal in the way you look at it. A woman giving birth to Christ represents the woman giving birth to Christ?
You are not understanding the point. Apart from the fact that I've already explicitly told you that I do not take the Apocalypse literally, the fact that the Holy Mother is presented - even symbolically - as being crowned indicates that she is worthy of high honour. This honour, in Catholic terminology, is called veneration.
>>73017401
This, all the best art is religious in nature.
See the David, or the Pieta by Michelangelo
>>73011391
Oh God you again, you got btfo like a year ago
>>73017639
>Nebuchadnezzar is also called "king of kings" and yet no Protestant bats an eye when that title is correctly applied to Christ.
Wow, touche' I must ruminate on this.
>the fact that the Holy Mother is presented - even symbolically
My point is that that description is not symbolic. I see no symbolism, just a literal description of Mary in Heaven (if your interpretation is correct). But that's not important now. I admit defeat...for now, Romanist.
>>73000706
Why do protestants sperg out over religious art?
>>73006214
Looks somewhere telemarketers would sell magazines from. If I'm going to church (boring) at least it's going to be in the most awe-inspiring building possible.
>>73018664
They're autistic by nature, like their leader Martin Luther.
>>73018151
>>73017639
Protestant versus Catholic arguments are one of the reasons I come to /pol/.
>>73018740
> One comment complaint I heard during the height of the Atheist-Theist Online Wars was that atheists were a lot like fundamentalists. Both wanted to interpret the religious texts in the most literal possible way. Being on the atheist side of these wars, I always wanted to know: well, why wouldn’t you? Given that the New Testament clearly says you have to give all your money to the poor, and the Old Testament doesn’t say anything about mixing meat and milk, maybe religious Christians should start giving everything to the poor and religious Jews should stop worrying so much about which dishes to use when?
>But I think this is the same mistake as treating the Sunni as an organization dedicated to promoting an Abu Bakr caliphate. The holy book is the rallying flag for a religion, but the religion is not itself about the holy book. The rallying flag created a walled-off space where people could undergo the development process and create an independent culture. That independent culture may diverge significantly from the holy book.
>I think that very neurotypical people naturally think in terms of tribes, and the idea that they have to retool their perfectly functional tribe to conform to the exact written text of its holy book or constitution or stated political ideology or something seems silly to them. I think that less neurotypical people – a group including many atheists – think less naturally in terms of tribes and so tend to take claims like “Christianity is about following the Bible” at face value. But Christianity is about being part of the Christian tribe, and although that tribe started around the Bible, maintains its coherence because of the Bible, and is of course naturally influenced by it, if it happens to contradict the Bible in some cases that’s not necessarily surprising or catastrophic.
>>73003628
"muh redpill"
All these people worshiping Paul.
>>73018740
Didnt martin in his works,try to justify the sins he was commiting?
>>73004731
That must be why Jesus and his disciples wore extravagant clothing, dined only with the nobility in palaces, and didn't associate with the poor. w...wait....
Material beauty means nothing to the lord. all material is meaningless in the presence of faith.
A moldy follower, in a moldy church, in a moldy village, who worships with all his heart is a gem to the lord while a decadent priest in a glorious Cathedral, attempting to woo God with the trappings of man is just another grain of sand
>>73020580
Who is to say that the priest is decadent? So long as men are pure of heart and of faith, it is good for them to create wondrous artifice for the glory of God.
To do nothing more than exist, in perpetual fear of sin, waiting to enter heaven, is an absolutely wasteful use of the life He has given us.
In addition to holding to His laws, we, as humans and as his greatest creations, ought to spend our lives exploring and understanding the majesty of creation, and to shape it to reflect our love for God and his glory!
>>73020580
And all for a super-powerful magic space alien that created everything out of nothing and has lived forever because he's magic. It makes so much sense now!
>>73021376
Absolutely.
Extravagance is not a necessary factor in introspection, creation, or exploration
>>73000706
Things prots and their kids aka:athiests will never understand
>>73020580
That's a pretty nice looking little church.
