Socialism is inevitable and mandatory in a automated post-scarcity economy.
>automated post-scarcity
>isms
There won't be plebs like you in the post-scarcity society so we won't have isms.
Essentially it will just be a bunch of bros fucking sex robos and spending 80% of their waking life in amazing virtual reality games.
>>72957380
>>72957923
we are far from being a post scarcity society. Let's worry about getting there first
well.. technocracy
>>72957380
Probably. It's going to be a bumpy and bloody ride.
Probably get down around 500,000,000 people
Neofascism combined with cyberpunk and Nazi fashion to live aesthetic lives.
>>72958249
We're not going to have technocracy any time soon.
Look how many people want to elect trump.
>>72957380
>Live in a world with finite resources
>Actually thinks an abstract concept like ''post-scarcity'' can actually exist in tangible form
Gregor please lay off the Zywiec
>>72957994
>quoting the unabomber
Get droned, terrorist.
I suppose you think automation of farming has been bad for society too?
>>72958404
what is space and how does it work
Scientists have proven most "isms" don't exist. Race doesn't exist, therefore nor racism. Gender doesn't exist (not a choice), therefore no sexism.
>>72957380
Divine Monarchy under Lord Kek
Salary is based on popularity of your shitposts.
>>72958530
Race doesn't exist, but racism does. Racism is a belief system. God doesn't exist, but Christianity does.
In a automated post scarcity economy, the population will be culled or controlled. There is no need for a society to have more people than there are productive jobs available.
Is this a shitposting thread? Everyone here is just pretending to be retarded right?
>>72958686
Either that or GBI but no one on the right can handle talking about the future so I'm not even going to try.
>>72958686
>There is no need for a society to have more people than there are productive jobs available.
Im just goingg to tell you how retarded that point is. There is has never been any point in history where there has been only as many people "as needed." Usually the work force is a small part of the popular, and most of those jobs are "required."
Should we fire/kill all athletes and everyone that works in sports entertainment because sports isn't necessary?
>>72957380
Post-scarcity is not possible.
>>72958791
That depends, are you pretending to be white today?
It is, but we are much, much, much farther from post-scarcity economics than berniecucks believe. We're there in a few creative fields and that's it.
>>72957380
You think so but that's when an insane amount of money will be made and a lot of people will become extremely powerful and wealthy, more than you imagine. Enough wealthy people to kick out any poor idiots and build walls and have robot security patrol it. Either make money or learn survival skills, because that's the way it'll go.
>>72958848
>what is chemistry
>what are robots
It's possible nigger, we got to the moon, it's only a matter of time. The only way it doesn't happen in the next millennium is if we nuke ourselves.
>>72957380
I feel like technosocialism is inevitable as the economy becomes more and more automated. It'll be painful and bloody though.
>>72958848
It's not possible, but technology does change politics and economics. Look at the invention of the steam engine, or the use of electricity. Without those, capitalism wouldn't have developed.
Now imagine in 5 year we finally have fusion power. It won't exactly be "post scarcity" but it will radically change our concepts of economy.
>>72957380
OK but why engineer it to happen? in order to take control of the people
>>72958835
Are you fucking retarded? I am talking about welfare leeches. What are you going to keep poor people around? In a world where resources are limited? For what purpose?
>>72958809
Anything GBI will be just another form of the government controlling the poor. Except this time the poor gets even more fucked over because literally every aspect of their lives are controlled by the govt now. Yay!
>>72957380
But it won't be socialism because the robots will be the most loyal "working class" ever created.
>>72959039
>5 years
>Fusion power
:^)
>>72959171
>For what purpose?
You said "need." The reason they are poor is wages. It's not that poor people don't contribute anything to society, it's just that our subjective values of work have made them poor.
People still need to collect trash, but we believe trash collectors don't deserve to be paid that much. We still need them.
>>72959415
We won't need them anymore in the context of what OP is talking about.
>>72959262
Technology will inevitably change economics. Whether it's in 5 years, 10 years, or more.
>>72957380
Read this book if you haven't.
>>72959586
You are ignoring your own arguments. Why have any people at all? Ultimately, it's just your own personal opinion of who lives and who doesn't. You are ignoring morality altogether. For example, why should YOU be allowed to live?
>>72959630
Of that I am sure. Already we have seen industries come and go and the world is still spinning. But there hasn't been a huge leap in technology yet which would enable mass automation on a scale that manual/rough labour is no longer required. But when it does happen, the uneducated will no longer have a place in our society. They will most likely just be kept around like dogs to keep the powers that be in their position. Oh like what the democrats are doing right now with black people. Except on a larger scale.
>socialism is inevitable
>>all developed first world countries are more or less social in their administration and laws
>>72959792
Because I can contribute to society. Society will still place value in teachers, innovators, breeders etc etc. You will be a fool to think society will value people who don't contribute to it. I am just stating the truth like it or not. Society already places a value on you right now. It will just get worse with this automation in the future.
>>72960051
>You will be a fool to think society will value people who don't contribute to it
And yet everyone on this board wants to elect Donald Trump, and the richest people are just entertainers and sports players.
>>72957380
>Socialism is inevitable
How so?
The control over technology, means of production and capital is in the hands of an elite few.
It'll remain in the hands of an elite few. When they won't NEED human servants anymore they will just purge them.
Not spend huge fortunes and postpone post-scarcity for themselves just because the masses are "humans".
>>72960145
Entertainers and sports player have value fucking retard. What? With robots suddenly entertainment loses value? Are you fucking retarded?
>>72957380
>automated post scarcity society
Sure, I'll accept socialism when the need for all human labor is eliminated and we can conjure resources out of our ass.
>>72957380
Socialism = worker control/ownership of the means of production.
In this case the worker is a machine but ownership lies with a human.
So no. But humans would basically live off machine Labour, so socialism would be unnecessary.
>>72957380
If everyone has infinite resources why would socialism be needed?
>>72957380
There will never be a post scarcity economy
>>72960574
Because the elite will control all the machines producing shit.
The choices are socialism or killing peasants
I think centrism works pretty good. Not too fascist, not too communist.
>>72960770
Who's choice is it?
>>72960848
The folks who control the robots.
>>72960848
It's Randy from the trailer park boys choice.
Automation will happen but post-scarcity won't. 90% of humanity will die from neglect, not from a murder campaign.
>>72957380
>i've litterally never taken a class on Political Theory
Sorry Polak, but Socialism is finished. Countries have always naturally gravitated toward, democracy and free trade capitalism. The collapse of the Soviet Union should have been enough to show you faggots that Communism and Socialism are losing models for governing a state, but you haven't learned shit apparently.
>>72958035
>>72957923
>>72957380
Do you faggots even know what scarcity is?
Scarcity is a state that reflects limited resources against unlimited needs.
Meaning post scarcity is impossible to achieve unless we develop the ability to create matter out of nothing (I.e. god powers)
There will literally always be scarcity. Post scarcity is a myth. You dream of achieving heaven on earth but the universe is a limiting factor. There is no such thing as post scarcity
Not mandatory. Read Humans Need Not Apply. The author outlines a pretty good non-socialist framework post-automation that preserves economic liberties. Basically it has to do with incentivizing/requiring corporations to go public and revolutionizing the stock system to make the economy heavily stock-asset based. Also, the educational systems will need to be remade so that people can learn new jobs skills easily and quickly since the jobs that will exist in an automated economy will change rapidly.
But inevitable? Probably. Republicans statistically hold more jobs that will be cut off by automation first. They'll take the stupid way out and swing hard socialist instead of actually fixing the economy to preserve liberties.
>>72958686
>There is no need for a society to have more people than there are productive jobs available.
When do we start culling properly then?
The UK had a ratio of something like 1.5 unemployed people [this doesn't include children, retired, etc, only people seeking work.] to job openings in late 2015 and it's almost certainly hovering around that kind of level now.
>>72957380
far right nationalism is inevitable after the guaranteed failure of socailism
>>72957380
Sure. We're nowhere near that point, so socialism is cancer right now.
>>72961033
>naturally
>>72961033
Democracy and capitalism are incompatible. Capitalist 'democracies' of today will inevitably regress into authoritarianism as the increasing social inequality and scramble for financial security feeds disorder and crime.
>>72958423
not an argument
>>72961395
That's what Marx wrote.
Countries will become democratic and capitalistic until their can be a complete global overhaul. Only then can the state be eliminated in favor of communism
>>72961033
Because rich people continue becoming richer and richer. With complete automation they will control all the worlds resources , they either slaughter everyone else or face civil war, or continue living ridiculously lavish lifestyles and feed the rabble
>>72961442
>regress
>>72958404
>implying capitalism is good at managing any sort of surplus.
>>72961562
democracy is a system designed so that capitalists can purchase states for their own purposes
>>72961442
Capitalism is democracy you Dingus.
You vote with your dollars on the goods you approve of. If enough people approve, this good gains an advantage over its competition.
Sure it's not "majority rule," but there are definitely some major parallels
>>72961244
interesting idea.
>>72961713
It is...
You ever seen a sale? You ever seen prices go down? That's managing a surplus.
>>72961736
How exactly is democracy inherent to capitalism? Isn't the point to accumulate, invest and create capital?
>>72957380
>post scarcity
Well yeah. Why should I prove that wrong?
Post scarcity is a carrot on a stick
It's literally heaven for atheists
giving up your autonomy for these empty promises is ridiculous
>>72961980
Because it's a decentralized system of proportional representation in the market.
Just like democracy is a decentralized system of proportional representation in the state.
How is this confusing? Your dollars are votes
>>72962264
It seems paradoxical that the democracy of money can overrule the democracy of the people and still be considered democracy but I suppose your definition is technically accurate.
>>72963011
Money can help buy votes in an election, but that doesn't mean money can literally buy votes.
Money just allows you to portray your political interests to the public. If the public chooses to agree with your message, then so be it.
>>72958404
>Zywiec
>more like Zubrowka
>>72963517
I don't drink faggot
Its actually not enevitable. Humans and animals have always evolved. In a post scarcity economy, its possible to create a new form of competition such as mathematics. Socialism will be tried, but a buch of useless living beings is not as appetizing as individuals trying to become great
