So, what happens now that the race is between Hillary and Trump? More precisely, what happens to Bernie supporters?
NOT the SJW kind, rather the kind who like a slightly more socialist ideology and think the US economy can benefit from it.
PLEASE DO NOT GET BOGGED DOWN ON WHETHER THAT IDEOLOGY IS VALID
My question is, what will those supporters who saw Bernie as someone who might possibly make something good or as the ONLY candidate who had ANYTHING remotely good in him, do? Do they vote Trump now, because Shillary stands for everything that is bad and corrupt? And also she shilled her way to beating Bernie in the race, despite any democrat with half a mind having voted Bernie in the primaries (insult him and his ideology all you want, the fact is, blacks, latinos and women carried shillary's nomination and between the two he is CLEARLY the more intelligent choice).
Where does the enthusiasm where a fresh (whether viable or not) outlook go to?
Where should it go to, should Bernie supporters flock to Trump to avoid having the disaster that is Shillary?
>>72938456
They stay home
>>72938916
And Shillary wins because she is on the bandwagon of everyone but the people?
>>72938456
Τhey go back to grassroots, they organize in campus, they get positions in the Dem party and come back in 2020 with a more attractive candidate. That's what I would do + some agitprop.
>>72939229
That would imply that the coalberners are capable of long term planning, when the whole reason Bernard's "free shit" agenda resonates so well with them is because they specifically lack any sort of capacity for long term planning.
>>72938916
Indeed. The only good thing that can come out of Bernie is that young people took an interest in politics and saw how corrupt the system is. Now they will have 4 years to grow in their understanding of how the political system works and why socialism is a bad ideology to have, and be less likely to vote liberal in the future.
But Bernie supporters right now with their current mindset? Keep them. The right doesn't want them nor need them.
>>72939229
Probably, but let's face it - America under President Trump or President Clinton might not exist in 2020.
>>72940163
>PLEASE DO NOT GET BOGGED DOWN ON WHETHER THAT IDEOLOGY IS VALID
>>72940433
>But Bernie supporters right now with their current mindset? Keep them. The right doesn't want them nor need them.
Shillary will win unless Bernie supporters organize against her.
>>72940807
>Shillary will win
She couldn't beat a literal no name WHO in Obama and now a senile old Jew with one foot in the grave in Sanders is literally derailing her campaign.
Anyone betting on Clinton being a sure thing is playing loose and fast with their money.
>>72941024
>She couldn't beat a literal no name WHO in Obama
Obama served the status quo about as much as Shillary. Now she's sold out completely and Trump might upset the status quo. That's a wholly different situation.
And Bernie giving Shillary a hard time is just because the system can only be manipulated and fucked around with so much - but the fact that she is STILL winning shows how much she has behind her.
Don't get me wrong, I dearly wish you're right, I just doubt it.
>>72938456
Some will realize that nationalism is the only real socialism
>>72941302
Hillarys main advantage in previous elecions is and was directly that nobody dared to bring up her sordid past, and she would have won these ones easily as well if no opponent dared.
And it would have almost worked, with even the repiblicans agreeing to not mention her ongoing investigation and scandals. But Trump doesnt have a gag on his lips, and that will destroy her.
The fact that FBI itself said that they would be incapable of pursuing any charges in the future in case Hillary manages to crawl into the office after Obama already shows how much of the system itself is fighting against her.
Only people at the moment still supporting her are those that havent heard of her past, or presume she would be the lesser evil compared to Trump. And Trump will generate so much attention on that past that she will be hard-pressed to win.
>>72941881
>Hillarys main advantage in previous elecions is and was directly that nobody dared to bring up her sordid past
>But Trump doesnt have a gag on his lips, and that will destroy her.
Basically this.
Honestly I can't wait for the General Election to see Trump schlong her day in and day out. To bring all of the skeletons out of the closet for the world to see.
Waking up to the news that Ted "Snot Rocket" Cruz dropped out of the race made my fucking week.
>>72938456
Trump will pull anti-establishment vote
He can play the angle that his supporters are poorer working class while Hillary has many rich on her side which appeals to socialistic tendencies. In general the populists attract the same type of person, so Trump ought to benefit more than Hillary
Glad to see Belgium cares, lots of Americans don't
>>72938456
Trump is going to name Bernie as his VP.
>>72940807
>but let's face it - America under President Trump or President Clinton might not exist in 2020.
Under Clinton? Sure. We've been on our way to a 3rd world country for almost a decade now, and Clinton would just keep that slow stagnation and increase of debt chugging along until hyperinflation finally sets in, companies move out of the country because they can't make a decent profit, and we're flooded with illegal immigrants and refugees.
But Trump? Kindly fuck off. He's literally the one chance we've got at turning this shit around. Prove me wrong.
>>72940807
>Shillary will win unless Bernie supporters organize against her.
Absolutely. Trump has a long way to go. The circlejerk momentum is so great that he may not be able to change course to win.
>>72942557
Trump is pretty similar to Julius Caesar if you think about it.
>>72942661
There is a collapse coming, however. The other nations in the world are steadily abandoning the petrodollar, and everyone is silently doing their best to dump the dollars they have into something else, removing americas ability to just print more money. to cover their debts.
There will be a massive crash due to the fuckups of previous administations regardles on who gets the seat, but i put more faith in Trump wrangling the nation out of it than i give to Hillary.
>>72942557
>Trump will pull anti-establishment vote
Will?
>He can play the angle....
Can?
My friend, it is already underway:
>http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/02/politics/hillary-clinton-west-virginia-coal-comments/
>Clinton's two-day swing through Appalachia -- including multiple stops in West Virginia -- has taken her into the heart of Donald Trump country, an area where a "Make America Great" sign seems as prevalent as a mailbox. Dozens of the real estate mogul's supporters lined up outside Clinton's event in Williamson, chanting "We want Trump" and "Go Home Hillary" as the former secretary of state walked into the roundtable at a local health and wellness center.
>The trip, through areas where coal was once king, has highlighted past comments Clinton has made about the energy source, including saying at a CNN town hall in Ohio in March that, as president, she was going to "put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business."
>In one of the more intense interactions Clinton has had on the trail, Copley -- growing emotional at times -- pressed Clinton for her past statement and asked her, "How you can say you are going to put a lot of coal miners out of jobs and then come in here and tell us how you are going to be our friends?"
>As protesters outside chanted within earshot of people inside, Clinton went on to apologize for her past comments. She argued that while she believes the comments were taken out of context, she acknowledged it was a "misstatement."
>"I don't know how to explain it other than what I said was totally out of context for what I meant because I have been talking about helping coal country for a very long time," Clinton said. "It was a misstatement because what I was saying is the way things are going now, they will continue to lose jobs. It didn't mean that we were going to do it. What I said is that is going to happen unless we take action to help and prevent it."
It begins.
>>72941881
>>72942439
I like to think that will happen, but I still highly doubt it. Hillary isn't terribly stupid and she plays the masses quite well. I can't help but think she will rally against Trump's methods and manage to turn it into a victory.
>>72942557
I get what you're saying and that is exactly what I hope will happen, but I can't help but think Trump's attacks and general methods will bring all the disenchanted SJWs to Hillary. And they are a LOT of votes.
And of course I care, the EU is a colony of the US, whatever happens in the US will happen in a few years in the EU.
>>72942599
Winning move right there. Perfect combination of strong leader with an intelligent, fresh ideologist.
>>72942661
I can prove you wrong very easily.
Refugees and illegal immigrants are symptoms.
Trump has no clear and realistic way of fixing the disease - the economy.
I hope he proves me wrong, because I can still accept that he somehow might, whereas I know Shillary won't.
>>72943001
Problem with playing a victim though is yeah it gets you out of criticism but it also gets you out of respect.
If Hillary can't handle Sanders and Trump without the raggedy anne victim act people gonna be asking themselves should we really elect this soppy soft bitch to represent us against Putin and the Chinks?
>>72942936
All of that is exactly the reason why Trump is, for lack of a better term, the "savior".
We need a serious change in policy, especially economically, if we're going to "Make America Great Again". The dems are the reason for what you just stated, and having Hillary in office will just perpetuate the idea that the U.S. is a weak and wimpy nation, no longer a superpower nor world leader.
Trump is the opposite though, while I agree shit has been fucked for the past decade or so from obama and the liberal policies of bush before him, I don't think you can say if Trump actually becomes president, ESPECIALLY with a republican controlled house, senate (we have majorities in each), and SC (next prez gets to pick the next justice, the next tie-breaking vote), and with Trump's charisma and bravado, that things would still be fucked and we'd still be on that road of being a bunch of pussies if he were elected.
I'm just saying, it doesn't apply to Trump. He's the one shot we've got at fixing things. You have to understand that.
>fresh (whether viable or not) outlook
>the USA becoming a socialist country as a turd sandwich in addition to the SJW madness and race tensions Obongo spawned and increasing the madness that is going on in Europe - no support against homegrown terror, no meta political change, having no hope of getting Europe out of this socialist hellhole which the political landscape has become
Yeah, that'd be great...
Asked that question on a reddit forum. 15 responders, 2 would go to Trump, the other 13 would toe the party line. So, a few will cross over, more as the God Emperor starts on Shillary.
>>72943423
No no, i dont think you realize that its going to cause a lot of pain to america to kick the debt habit once the world abandons the Dollar as a fiat currency, and even when elected, the reforms will be extremely painful in the short term.
This gives the dems an opportunity to throw Trump out of the presidential seat even when he is elected simply due to how bad things will get when the crash truly hits. And with the media being so mindlessly against him, its easy as hell to organize mindless BLM level riots and shit against him.
I dont fear Trumps ability to solve the problem once left alone to actually do his job as a president, but i fear a media-controlled rebellion against him once the reforms start.
>>72942966
The shilling of shillary knows no bounds.
Gotta admit it takes pretty big balls to say to a group of voters that you're going to destroy their business and take away all of their jobs and then say "what? I didn't say that, I actually want to help coal country, I've said that for a long time! Right? It was just a joke guys, haha amirite? Remember to vote for me, please ignore that previous statement hahaha!"
Like... this is such a perfect example of how Hillary is a literal sociopathic liar, it hurts. How can democrats support and vote for someone who has been PROVEN, time and time again, that she will lie, BLATANTLY lie, to forward her own agenda and get more power for herself? Look at how fucking blatant that lie is to the coal people, it's INSANE. How can you read that and think "oh yeah, she seems like a trustworthy person"?
I just don't fucking get it. Why would you want a sociopathic liar to be president? Regardless of gender or party affiliation?
>>72943843
> i fear a media-controlled rebellion against him once the reforms start.
This is certainly the only thing I am not concerned about in regardes to the unstumpable God Emperor, grandpa.
>>72943409
>>72943409
>against Putin and the Chinks
Intelligent people realize it's not a regular war and retarded SJWs think it's not a war at all.
You can't win by expecting people to elect someone who has the qualities to be a millitary leader in what is not a war in the conventional sense.
Also you're saying she loses respect - fair enough. But let me ask you this: do you think liberals care about respect? No one respects them, no one respects their candidates. Yet there's still a bunch of them who Bernie attracted because he appealed to the SJW vote, why would they not vote for someone who is not respectable? In the end, that just brings her closer to them.
>>72943423
>The dems are the reason for what you just stated
That's a serious simplification that is missing the major issue. You're literally doing what those who inflicted this upon you dream of - blaming other people who are also fucked from it.
>the U.S. is a weak and wimpy nation, no longer a superpower nor world leader.
Again, you're missing the point.
Let's go through your logic. You say this is mostly a question of international standing and international relations. The economic aspect of the US international relations is actually very clear - the petrodollar dominates the world which allows you to quite literally drain resources from the rest of the world when you don't produce enough to trade for them yourselves. This is failing right now.
Now what you're saying is that your savior is the one who manages to bring the dominance of the petrodollar back which allows you to continue doing this.
And what you're missing is the simple fact that this system is what brought you to your current crisis in the first place. You're relying on a weak world being submissive to the US, while countries like China continue to up their production, which the US continues to buy and need more. This imperial idea of draining resources is, quite simply put, not sustainable any more.
>>72943843
Smart. My thoughts exactly. I expect the following years to be very tough for Americans financially OR go to yet another war OR pull a world debt conference.
>>72943563
Nicely done perpetuating the myth Trump followers are illiterate.
>PLEASE DO NOT GET BOGGED DOWN ON WHETHER THAT IDEOLOGY IS VALID
>>72938456
>Where does the enthusiasm where a fresh (whether viable or not) outlook go to?
>Where should it go
>>72938456
>rather the kind who like a slightly more socialist ideology and think the US economy can benefit from it.
>PLEASE DO NOT GET BOGGED DOWN ON WHETHER THAT IDEOLOGY IS VALID
No because it isn't valid.
Even the Scandinavian 3rd way Socialism they seem to think they love is a failure.
http://www.iea.org.uk/publications/research/scandinavian-unexceptionalism-culture-markets-and-the-failure-of-third-way-soc
And to answer your question they're going to vote for Hilary like the spineless worms they are in large and the minority that has rage will vote Trump out of spite or those with some minor modicum of a sense of principles will vote Green.
>>72943001
>I can't help but think she will rally against Trump's methods and manage to turn it into a victory.
You haven't been paying attention to this election at all then, waffle. If you had, you would know both how freely Trump speaks his mind and just how many skeletons there are in Hillary's closet. The email scandal likely being the biggest deal because she could literally be imprisoned for that, if convicted. But that's just one thing, you've got tons of others like Benghazi, the pedo rapist she got off despite basically admitting and even laughing about knowing he actually did it, the major flip-flop on her position on gay marriage, etc.
She's gonna get crushed. The only real struggle was the Republican nomination with the GOP trying to jew their way to stumping Trump but like always he has proved to be unstumpable and has now clinched the nomination with Cruz dropping out.
>>72940807
HillShills already?
She is having trouble beating a commie that refuses to attack her.
Just wait for the Trump bantz to start flying...
p.s. all your 'safe places' are belong to us.
>>72942599
Political genius that would be. All he has to do then is stay alive
>>72942661
We had our chance in 08 and 12
Now we wait for either disaster or catastophcatastophe
>>72944239
>You haven't been paying attention to this election at all then, waffle
That's far besides the point, because my point was simply that if the elections continue the way they are it will serve as fuel for Shillary rather than stumping her.
We will see obviously, this is just theory, but I still think Trump bringing out the skeletons in her closet will work in her advantage in the end.
People aren't clever mate.
>>72944258
If you had bothered to read anything, you'd realize I am heavily, heavily against Shillary and would buy a green card if I could just to vote against her.
>>72944429
>would buy a green card if I could just to vote against her.
>>72943979
You of all nations should know how easy it is for rebellions to ferment once an economic crash and previous mismanagement hits. With Trump being painted as the next anticrist/Hitler by the media already.
Even Greekbro with us can show how simple it is to destabilize even a previously popular government once the actual sting of the reform hits. Imagine the same on america once the first layoffs of the bloated government start, or when the government handouts start to shrink due to the reforms.
Trump is competent, but there is more than a small chance that a greek-style chaos can be generated if he gives his oponents even a chance to incite chaos
>>72944371
>People aren't clever mate.
That's what works for Trump. He doesn't mince words, he says what he means and he means what he says. Intellectual conservatives understand the deeper meanings behind his statements and policies, while Trump says them simply enough that even dumb rednecks can "get it". He speaks to all of the people who are fed up with the status quo and who are angry at the establishment, all of the people who voted for "hope and change" and ended up getting screwed in the end, becoming jaded as a result.
Hillary already has major problems with being trustworthy, Trump is going to put the final nail in the coffin.
>>72943149
>Refugees and illegal immigrants are symptoms.
>Trump has no clear and realistic way of fixing the disease - the economy.
>Refugees
Defeat ISIS instead of ignoring the problem and letting them continue to grow and grow like they have under Obama. Remember the "JV team" comment Obama made, thinking ISIS really weren't a big deal at all? That's why Syria is so fucked up now. They were just left to their own devices, like deciding to not treat a cancer because it's not that big of a deal and then it spreads and starts destroying body organs. It's not going to go away on it's own, you need chemotherapy.
You can't fight a war where you only kill the bad guys, no civilian casualties and none of our own soldiers getting killed, like bleeding heart liberals desperately want to believe. Trump actually has the possibility to fight a real war for a change. For example, compare holding the line in the failed Vietnam War vs. Truman nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Obama probably would have waged a land war instead, causing a far greater loss of life, or even worse think Japan wasn't that big of a deal so we should just ignore them or something else ridiculous, were he in that position.
>Illegal Immigrants
Build a wall, freeze assets, remove financial aid to Latin America, etc. Use something like VeriSign to stop illegals from getting free gibmedats. Secure the border and Illegal Immigration is fixed, or at least drastically reduced. Then finally, re-vamp the LEGAL Immigration system.
The problem is that you probably don't really see the "illegal" behind the "immigrants". Neither Trump nor his supporters hate immigrants. We're focused on the illegal part. Enforce the law.
>>72938456
They'll finish their grade school
>>72945665
>most of the people who voted for bernie in internet polls were kids who weren't old enough to vote
>tfw bernie campaign is slowly realizing this
Do you remember what happened after Ron Paul in 2012? When he failed, almost all of the libertarians went to hard-right nationalism. The same thing will happen to the Bernie bros but they will go leftwards, to communism instead. So /pol/ it will once again be street battles in your lifetime, communists vs nazis, how does it feel?
>>72941618
Im seeing this with left leaning white men who are starting to wakeup to the multiculturalism agemda
>>72938456
>NOT the SJW kind, rather the kind who like a slightly more socialist ideology and think the US economy can benefit from it.
Those supporters have already gone quiet when Bernie got raped in New York. All you have left now are SJW's. Whether they'll become a shillary/trump/non-voter depends on memes and campaigns.
>>72942599
Trump's nationalizm, Bernie's socializm, combined that would be nat-soc. Hmm, sounds familiar.
