Hello, Christians of /pol/. I don't make this thread with the intention of shitflinging "kike on a stick" and I don't expect "LARPagan".
I want to discuss Christianity. I was raised Christian but I find the idea of God actually existing to be impossible, and I find the cuck nature of raw Christianity to be despicable.
This has lead me to Heathenry; the problem is I don't feel a connection to these gods, despite the raw nature of the religion to be extremely admirable (strength, honor, family, nation, virtue)
I know the national socialists wanted to eventually establish a purely European monotheism (which is objectively stronger than polytheism)
Is it possible to merge the religions? Can we create a new monotheism, finally free of Jewish trickery?
What a stupid thread. No. There is no "via media" between Christianity and paganism.
>>72584046
No. Christian Anarchy shall reign supreme.
>>72584046
Nothing cuck about real Christianity, unless you consider having morals and common decency cuckery, you might as well be a nigger. We must uncuck Christendom
>>72584506
>turn the other cheek
>live in a shed so Tyrone can have your bed
>never hurt anyone ever
Christianity is only good when draped over the European warrior spirit
>>72584376
>anarchy
implying semidemocratic monarchy isn't the best
>>72584506
>no true christian!
Come on; at some level you know a large percentage of Christianity is opposed to /pol/ philosophy at large
>>72584046
I think you mean kike on a pike
Honestly we need a white version of Islam except without brown people and with dogs and pork
>>72584046
>Calling yourself a Heathen
>Thread is about christianity, arguably the second worst heathen group to ever exist
Kek, you bow your head as low as it can go don't you cuck?
>inb4 muh Christian values, moral values have been around since Plato and are not a Christian creation but a delusion you've talked yourselves into brlieve ing just like your religion
>>72584506
>not even 5 posts in and muh morality meme
I'm starting to think there are literally 0 real Christians on /pol/ and 100% are just trolls
>>72584046
Old school Catholicism
Usually works well for antisemitism
>>72585330
No dumbass I'm talking about deus vult destroy invaders being European & turn the other cheek being cuckshit. We need a monotheistic religion solely about the deus vult part, with a blond hair blue eye god figure
>>72584854
He's talking about self less service and forgiveness, and it is talking about letting your brother have the bed not some wife fucking dindu
>>72585565
>le feet kisser
Christianity is dead, I'm sorry. Time for something new
>>72585304
So monotheistic paganism, with bombs
>>72585784
Most Christian values work within your kin, but to outside threats we must act as savages
>>72585849
Christianity held Europe together through the Middle Ages, drove the Muslims out of Spain, forced the Joos to convert or GTFO. It provided education and Artwork. It is as much a part of Western Civilization as anything else, but if you want to go back to worshiping Odin and sacrificing humans, your not much better than the other cultures we conquered
>>72586261
This. Pagans are niggers that got cucked out of its followers and rituals. If Christianity was in essence a cuck religion, why did we have the crusades?
>>72585938
Agreed, spirituality is a differing matter than governing policy. Ceaser has a role and God has a role.
>>72586423
I never said it was. The bible says there is a time to every purpose under Heaven
>but I find the idea of God actually existing to be impossible
Why?
>>72586587
Sorry, the first part was agreeing with what you said. The second part was more towards the person you responded to previously
>>72586261
>held Europe together
sacking of Constantinople
>drove the Muslims out of Spain
Charlemagne was fighting Europeans while moorniggers ruled Iberia unchallenged. The reconquista would have happened, albeit probably more disorganized, whether Christianity existed or not.
>told the Jews to convert or gtfo
They are not European and never will be no matter if they accept an adopted god. They should be kicked out no matter what.
>sacrificing humans
Criminal executions are secular sacrifice.
>>72586423
>why did we have the crusades
After you get done killing your people for 800 years you finally have to look to outside threats
>>72586759
The only two parts of Christian theology I have a problem with are the universal salvation( missionary to savage lands), and the apocalytical nature of the end times.
>>72584046
>Christianity is a cuck religion
>Christians are genocidal maniacs for destroying my ancestor's traditions
I often see this paradox among some pagans.
>>72586674
where is God?
>u hav 2 belieb!
No, that's a useless God then. The only significance he could possibly have is a cultural unifier, and we should be united under a European culture not a Jewish one.
>>72584046
Simple plan for division of the US religious system. Catholics Get the north east, Protestants get the south, and pagans can have the north west. Crisis averted
>>72586872
>>72586872
>After you get done killing your people for 800 years you finally have to look to outside threats
I still dont see any cucking involved in Christianity :^)
>>72586979
Europa always had her wars, but before Christianity religious war didn't exist. We tore ourselves apart for no fucking reason. Only after the dust settled did we get around to being great again, and we conquered the earth; but the stagnation of our European spirit has left us to deal with the Semitic spirit (Marxism & Cuckoldry)
>>72584046
God is the personification of morality in man. Churches are buildings where western culture is venerated every sunday. You're welcome.
>>72585900
That sounds kickass
>>72586872
Have fun converting the evangelical right after are day of reckoning, we need them even though they interpret the bible in a weird way
>>72584506
Christianity is literally designed to subvert the goyim and turn them into rootless cattle. I've read the bible 7 times cover to cover, it's so fucking obvious you srupid goy.
>>72584046
>>72587312
Pagans had always fought each other. Christianity restricted fighting between Christian countries during the Middle Ages. The question that is the hardest one is which denomination doth we follow
>>72587553
Study the Catholic Church and read about their views of the Joos during the Middle Ages. Martin Luther did not like em either. I'm not sure how John Calvin felt about them, but his theology was quite autistic anyways
>>72587625
Lols, that's what happens when people are conquered. That's why we need to be firm in our Christian heritage. The pagans were to weak to defend their land
>>72584046
I was baptized a catholic. I didn't believe either.
But I don't want to go and try to make myself believe some other fake bullshit.
>>72588502
Irish or Italian
>>72588620
The Catholicism came from my German grandfather.
>>72584046
Yes...and no?
There's this ol' quote by Pascal that often gets paraphrased as "In every man there is a god-shaped hole" that isn't the actual quote, but what most people take it as.
It gets interesting when you consider that if you remove God from that hole, you need something to fill it with, some higher cause, power, or belief.
Tumblr's notion of "the patriarchy" is just their modern Satan, an American liberal's idea of the "government" their god, concepts that can loosely be applied to nearly every situation as an explanation. Black Lives Matter are merely crusaders under a different banner, George Soros their Venetian doge, the "white power structure' their Saracens, Shaun King their Bohemond(not the best candidate) and Mike Brown their martyr.
Like all the religions of the world, they develop their own schisms, their own heresies. The feminist proposal to label gay men as "offensive" for being sassy as "cultural appropriation" of black women their 99 Theses, the split between "old feminists" and "new feminists" their Reformation. Give them pikes and muskets and will re-enact the 30 Years War
So where does that leave us? Well...in a way, the alt-right's idea of "Europa" is their own replacement for that god-shaped hole, we already have created our own ideology and our own monotheism, just a Gnostic one placing the European man as a candidate for ascension rather than specific prophets or holy men. Just like the rest, we've had our splits.
So you already got it, OP, it's all about refining it now.
>>72584046
>I find the idea of God actually existing to be impossible
Fucking how? I'm always baffled by how people can be certain that god doesn't exist.
>>72586261
Yes, Christians constant warmongering allowed them to conquer enough to build societies and the way the did it was brilliant they show up to some place with some baubles and some guns and the bible then kill the people enslave them/convert them to Christians to monopolize on their resources thats why we in america and most of Europe have such mighty empires still.
Can we stop pretending we don't live in a mighty empire. This democracy is pretty much pretend at this point.
>>72588750
I like your analysis. It's kinda like people have a need to have a cause greater than ourselves.
>>72588990
Oh I'm a fascist, and I hate democracy. I think the Christians conquering the pagans was just the effects of social Darwinism. The better civ lived on.
>>72589057
Yeah, the issue with human advancement as a species is that its been constantly giving us reasons to feel smaller.
Like, the telescope told us that we weren't at the center of the universe.
The idea of evolution told us that we might not be pre-destined and merely a cosmic chance.
Better telescopes told us that we weren't even a major blip in the universe and that much of it was cold, empty, and lifeless.
Freud(flawed though his ideas are) said that you don't even have complete control over yourself.
And now we have the internet, which makes it even easier to feel like you are just one voice among many, but at the same time makes it easier to feel as though you are part of something greater without requiring much effort on your part to actually contribute(the amount of tumblr "activists" are part of this).
But thanks man, it's just a thing I had drilled into me a while ago...
>>72588990
>This democracy is pretty much pretend at this point.
>at this point
lmao, did you think we were ever part of "this" democracy?
>>72589289
Hey there are more Christians in the world who accept evolution, than there are atheists. Personally I see the bible a book for spirituality and theology, but I don't see it as a science book or a major history.
>>72584046
Kill monotheism
Bring back polytheism
There were no religious wars before the rise of monotheism
The roman gods, the greek gods, the gallic and germanic gods, the egyptian gods, they all got along because they were all different interpretations of the same gods.
Paganism is true patrician. Monotheism was the Jews evil creation to sabotage the Roman Empire.
>>72584046
>Is it possible to merge the religions? Can we create a new monotheism, finally free of Jewish trickery?
Why bother, anon? Do you realize how religion has changed over the centuries and what about Christianity or other religions you find admirable?
You as a directionless heathen yearn for direction. Religion did not used to have direction, simply worship and sacrifice. Philosophy once provided a description of physics, but became something that provided that direction in life until the newer religions like Christianity became not just worship, but also a way to guide your life.
What you are looking for is philosophy that is not tainted by the disgusting trends of modernism and post-modernism. The philosophies of ancient Greece and Rome have a lot of wisdom to impart. Our forefathers understood this wisdom when they drafted the constitution.
Plato (and by extension Socrates), Aristotle, Xenophon, Zeno... The list goes on and Greece is not the only civilization to have produced minds that contemplate the direction we should take our lives. Read some fucking philosophers of the ancient world and you'll find what you're looking for.
As an atheist, I always have had my own code of ethics. But they were fragmented. To have ideas laid out before you is very mentally strengthening in contrast. You don't need religion for any of this.
>>72589873
Cuz the Aztecs weren't constantly killing off tribes and dragging them back to their staircases to sacrifice them to some lizard god.
>>72589695
I wasn't really talking about as undermining Christianity(though I don't think in the long run evolution as), I meant more in terms of human consciousness.
Like, even if you weren't Christian, knowing that you were the smartest thing on Earth was cool as all hell. Being told that it was possibly a cosmic luck of the draw is a massive slap to the face towards a lot of romantic notions. And Darwin did come at the tail end of that era, afterwards you did see an uptick in paintings and writings where man is not at the center, but merely part of a larger image.
>>72590089
The aztecs were fucking savages, what do they have to do with western culture at all?
>>72584046
short answer no. long answer unless you got a time machine no.
its long passed the time in which you can create a new religion and expect people to follow unless you can bend reality to your will on command like you say it and it happens not just slight of hand faggotry like turning water to wine (pretty lame bruh)
>>72587695
>>72584046
Why not create a new religion, based on wholesome, family, lambs, green fields n shit.. but with no ties to judochristianity
>>72590134
*evolution has
I need to go grab something to eat before I completely esoteric and retarded.
>>72589949
You're a cool guy with some cool points.
I would say, Socrates' Phaedo is not the best thing to start with, OP. Apology is a bit of an easier read.
>>72589873
Um dude. as much as I like Greek mythology and Viking sagas, Christianity has done way more for the west than any of them. Christianity is also against modern Judaism, and Jesus caused so much Jewish butt hurt in the New Testament. Not to mention how the medieval Christians felt about the Joos
>>72584046
You wanted a civil discussion, but you called us cucks. Nice work. At any rate, merging religious beliefs would be interesting. It tends to happen over hundreds of years like when Christians adopted pagan holiday traditions, though.
>>72590403
You're fucking retarded
Christianity is an eastern religion born from Jews
>Christianity has done way more for the west
[CITATION NEEDED]
Do you even know what the Renaissance was?
Christianity was directly linked to the collapse Roman empire, and once the empire fell the entire world went back technologically and intellectually hundreds of years. Its called the "Dark ages" for a reason.
>>72590166
>There were no religious wars before the rise of monotheism
I'm sorry, I didn't realize this was one of those moving targets.
>>72590134
Understood. I think we need to move forward with science and tech, but our western ethical values should remain the same. Nihilism and Marxism are very dangerous and are the result of rejecting western values.
Fun fact both Thomas Aquinas and St Agustine adopted the virtues of Greek philosophy into the Catholic Church.
>>72590384
I personally recommend Meditations, specifically the Gregory Hays translation. Very easy to read and he gives a lot of background beforehand. Of course, Stoicism is not the only philosophy to read up on. I personally enjoy the works of stoics more than any other though.
A question for any Catholics here.
How do you feel about the current Pope?
I'm not very well versed on the Bible but I understand the whole forgiveness, being kind, and all that but is it worth it at the cost of your own faith and way of life?
>>72590750
The Aztecs didn't exist until about 500 years after Christianity was already a major religion, you fucking absolute mongoloid.
>>72590289
The fundementalists and the normies who are on ourside won't buy it.
>>72590750
And I reiterate, they have absolutely nothing to do with western culture.
I am talking about the only place on earth that mattered in that period, Europe.
>>72590899
I was unaware that magical evil monotheistic voodoo was able to travel across the ocean without people to carry it. Probably their lizard god told them all about it, right?
>>72591129
>>72590996
Learn to read you dumb nigger
>>72591187
>the egyptian gods,
>I am talking about the only place on earth that mattered in that period, Europe.
>>72591389
Keep grasping at straws nigger
>>72590648
Buddhism was a religion founded in India, but eventually was molded into a Chinese religion. It doesn't matter were it started it's more important what a civilization does with it. There were a lot of things that lead to the collapse of the empire, and the migrant crisis of Germanic tribes was one of them. The eastern empire lasted another thousand years after the fall of the west. The "dark ages" was an enlightenment term coined by the post modern thinkers of the time. They did lack science and tech, but what will people 1000 years from now think of our period of history
>>72591563
>They did lack science and tech, but what will people 1000 years from now think of our period of history
They LOST science and tech
People will look back on this period of history as when technology and science boomed
Are you actually stupid?
The only good parts of european Christianity come from the old european culture and beliefs. Everything that europeans have achieved has been in spite of the christcuck religion and not because of it.
>>72590885
Not Catholic, but will convert if it becomes state religion. He's a cuck for the church. His policies are we will let you do what you want, we are cool now, please come back to our church.
>>72591474
>The war originated from a quarrel between the goddesses Athena, Hera, and Aphrodite, after Eris, the goddess of strife and discord, gave them a golden apple, sometimes known as the Apple of Discord, marked "for the fairest".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_War
>Greeks never fought no war because of their gods!!
>>72591822
>The Trojan war
HAHAHAHAHAHA
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You can't be serious, you dont know why the Trojan war happened?
>>72591822
Literally a few lines below
"Helen, the most beautiful of all women and wife of Menelaus, fall in love with Paris, who took her to Troy. Agamemnon, king of Mycenae and the brother of Helen's husband Menelaus, led an expedition of Achaean troops to Troy and besieged the city for ten years because of Paris' insult."
>>72591675
Tech happened back then, what about the heavy plow, trebuchet, stone castles, the printing press, etc.
>>72584046
The chinks have it right. Honour your ancestors type of Paganism.
>>72591918
You don't trust the greeks account of things? They explain exactly why they went to war - meddling goddesses fucking shit up. That's their words, not mine.
>>72592128
Anon, do you know what the Renaissance is?
The rediscovering of the romance period. It was when the world rediscovered the sciences, math, philosophy. All of this was lost when the Christians basically locked all that knowledge away so they could tear up europe for hundreds of years killing each other.
>>72592120
which was the direct result of their gods fucking around in mortal affairs.
>>72592128
Are we just going to pretend that christcucks didnt burn 95% of Rome's recorded knowledge and cultural shit because "my gawd is the only gawd thats allowed" ?
>>72584300
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me"
Annunakki
>>72592193
Many of the old Pagan Gods are just our ancestors and their stories got blown out of proportion before widespread writing.
Honour your ancestors. Fuck that jew.
If you believe Moses was the prophet, you're Jewish.
Next, If you believe Jesus was the prophet, you're Christian.
Then If you believe Mohammed was the prophet, you're Muslim.
It's all the same thing with newer branches. None of which has to do with white people.
Christianity spread with the Jews in the Roman Empire.
A simple ancestor honouring Paganism is where it's at.
>>72592387
I'm not sure if you're aware of this anon but the gods aren't real.
>>72592266
Yes, yes, I see your autistic posting style, no need to keep calling attention to it
>>72592403
that's what we'll probably do to aliens.
"nice shitshack sveniop."
>blows it up and makes a condom factory over the rubble
>>72592484
Nice attempt at damage control, you dumb nigger|
Back behind the wall you go
>>72592451
A vague single god deism can be compatible with a vague ancestor honouring paganism.
>>72592452
You want everyone to believe in multiples of them. You espouse a specific type of belief which you betray at the drop of a hat to appear aloof for someone on the internet that you'll never even meet.
>>72592525
Except that you burn the library of Alexandria and replaced it with jew fairy tales.
>>72592587
>I want everyone to believe in multiples of them
Where did I say this?
I just said monotheism causes problems, polytheism does not. At least not on the scale of fucking eastern mystic religions like Christianity and Shitslam
>>72592246
Natural science didn't even become a thing until the seventeenth century. Most of your early scientists were priests. The Catholic Church promoted and inspired artists like divinchi and Michael Angelo, and the Renaissance lead to Puritanism and the enlightenment.
>>72592718
> The Catholic Church promoted and inspired artists
Ah yes, they really promoted Galileo
>>72592677
>Bring back polytheism
>Not for me, I'm too good for that nonsense, but I do know what is best for the lesser minds.
>>72592246
Christians are evil and have destroyed much white heritage.
>>72592799
Literally, thanks for clearing that up.
>>72592830
I know thats exactly what I'm saying
>>72592403
The library of Alexandria burning was a tragedy I will admit that, but that was mob rule lead by bishops in Egypt, not by all Christians.
>>72592677
Jews, Christians and Muslims are almost the exact same fucking thing.
None are white religions.
>>72592917
I AGREE WITH YOU why are you telling me this
>>72592451
The greatest thing about Christianity is that God realizes how awful his chosen people are, and he abandons them and gives his grace to the gentiles
>>72592898
And I guess that the destruction of 99% of the old roman pagan shrines and shit in Italy were just tragedies that were committed by not all Christians? Seem alot like how not all muslims are responsible for the way they destroy all evidence that could suggest an alternative to their belief set.
>>72585900
You are describing the WH40k God Emperor of Mankind
>>72593137
Exactly Empire bro
>>72592781
I'll give you that, but they did apologize. I am more of the kind that believes in the separation of science and theology.
>>72593307
The ancient Christians did a lot of damage to our heritage anon, I cant like something responsible for that
Look at all the vandalism they did in Rome, removing the statue of Trajan and putting St. Peter on top of Trajan's Column. Its fucking disgusting.
>>72593137
Out with the old in with the new Christianity was more fit for survival ,although both Aquinas and Agustine were both Aristotle fan boys if you read their work.
>>72593568
Do you hold the same principle with the current refugee crisis?
>>72593502
Sorry Feels I guess. Do you want your reparations like the savages and the dindus. When countries get taken over shit like that happens.
>>72593669
BTFO
>>72593778
We're not savages and dindus, were descendants of the master race. White history matters.
>>72593669
Well I'm trying to prevent it. But if we die out and western civ is lost, then their civ was more fit to survive, but I will fight and shit post along side of you to prevent that from happening my assumed white brother.
>>72593876
I agree hopefully we can put these differences aside and fight our real enemies.
>>72594092
We cant change the past anon so you're right
I will gladly crusade with you faggots against the sandniggers
>>72594151
Hey last time I checked, it was the pagans who supported faggotry not the Christians
I've been thinking about this subject lately, and after researching a bit on European god cult spread (based on place name frequencies), I've decided that even as a pagan it is acceptable to go basically monotheist in that you eventually determine a god/goddess that resonates with your conception of what "god" is.
Odin is the popular choice of many, since he is a god not only of wisdom and knowledge but also death
But it could just as easily be Tyr, who as the god of justice (and former head of the pantheon) can be seen as a parallel to Yahweh.
Baldr is basically the pagan Jesus, and equally a solid choice
As a farmer I think much about Freyr and Freya, as they influence that sphere of life.
Or you could be a faggot Edgemaster and worship Loki
>>72594239
When Christianity started becoming a major religion in Rome homosexuality started to become an issue
COINCIDENCE? I think not
Religions are cuckolding tools
>>72594406
Aside from the fact that queers can't reproduce high quality aryan babies, and the degenerate culture that comes with it. Your right.
>>72594239
Pagan rome
>men are strong
>women dont slut
>honour is important
>bring honour by going the legion
>build Greatest empire the world will ever see
Christian rome
>men are cucks
>women are sluts
>honour means nothing, only money matter.
>get the germans to fight for us
>become a faggot
>accept jesus and nothing else matters
>lose empire and Rome falls
>>72594541
Alright Nietzsche
>>72584506
>Nothing cuck about real Christianity
Yes, let's worship Joseph's wife's son :^)
>>72589873
>There were no religious wars before the rise of monotheism
There were constant religious wars before the rise of monotheism. There were wars between polytheist systems, there were wars between temples of different gods, there were idols brought to battle with every Bronze Age army, there were battles between Japanese Buddhist monasteries across the street from each other.
>>72594789
Noice
>>72594403
there's only one God man, don't fuck it up, those gods are dead for something
>>72594805
Show me one between any of the cultures I listed.
>>72594736
Women slutted in pagan Rome.
There was way more factors than Christianity that lead to its demise. The eastern Roman Empire kept kicking until the 15 th century. I would say multi culturalism did play a part in romes demise in the western empire
>>72594789
Thanks now I'm going to hell for laughing my ass off
>>72595067
There were more factors than just Christianity, but Christianity was the biggest
Once Christianity was declared the official religion is split the empire up and everything came crashing down in under 80 years.
>>72595147
The Byzantines did pretty well.
>>72595272
>sandniggers
>romans
>>72595331
Greeks the sand niggers came about in the later period known as the Ottoman Empire
>>72595147
Umm no it was already split before that in many ways too. Constantine declared christianity in a civil war because it kept getting split in every which way, tetrarchy and such
>>72594854
Romans and Germans/Celts
>>72595463
>>72595562
Thats completely false though, Christianity being adopted was the entire reason why the empire split up
Literally the main reason
Read any book on ancient roman history around this period
>>72595807
When? What war? What gods disagreed with one another?
>>72595828
Well it's late were I live so I gotta go to bed, but maybe we shall cross paths on anther thread some day.
>>72584046
You are dispicable
